Tlingit sovereignty and the Proud Raven ("Lincoln") Pole

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2 жыл бұрын

Proud Raven Totem Pole of the Taantʼa kwáan Gaanax.ádi (please note: the previous k, G, and x should each include an underscore) clan of the Raven moiety, first carved in the 1880s, recarved c. 1940, Saxman Totem Park, Saxman, Alaska. A Seeing America video.
speakers: Dr. Emily Moore and Dr. Lauren Kilroy-Ewbank

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@URProductions 2 жыл бұрын

This is cool. I'm of the Tahltan tribe - just inland in British Colombia, neighboring the Tlingit. Despite starting with a T, in northern B.C. Tlingit is popularly pronounced "klinkit". Back in the olden days, my people wore European clothes and used European goods long before they ever set eyes upon a white man, due to trade with our Tlingit neighbors.

@jeffdelgren2170 9 ай бұрын

I am Tsimshian my family comes from Rupert. I've heard stories that the first Europeans encountered coastal war parties with muskets. The Metis were here trading before the Europeans, and brought muskets and other goods from Europe. At that time the whole coast was named the Oregon territory by the Metis who could not pronounce Ooligan 😅😅

@URProductions 9 ай бұрын

@@jeffdelgren2170 That's awesome, man. Thanks for sharing.

@Sasha0927 11 ай бұрын

I loved that Dr. Moore pronounced the names of these people because I went cross-eyed trying to. 😅 And I really wasn't expecting Abe Lincoln on the top of this pole! lol. I see there's a related video about this pole, so I'm gonna bounce over to that before returning to this playlist. As if my speech weren't awkward enough, I'm adding "the boondoggliest of boondoggles" to my vernacular - thank you, Smarthistory. 🤣💀

@robbielosee 2 жыл бұрын

Just amazing. Guess that’s the 1800s equivalent of commenting “first!”

@colinwhitfield8627 2 жыл бұрын

see what you did there.

@SynchronizorVideos Жыл бұрын

Super cool. I actually grew up in Ketchikan, and loved visiting the museums & parks that featured Tlingit culture, history, & artwork. I remember seeing the "Lincoln" pole and noting how it was kind of a departure from normal totem pole art, but I don't recall ever hearing the full story on its background. To be fair, I don't think I ever actually followed an official guided tour of the totem pole sites that were offered to cruise ship passengers; I would mostly just run around the areas on my own.

@larryx2082 2 жыл бұрын

But why Lincoln?

@teresadewitt7237 2 жыл бұрын

Our Elders said one of the men off the ships just happen to have a picture of him, which they gave to one of the clan members. So they put him on the pole to commemorate them seeing the first "White man" , or new comer as some of us like to say.

@SynchronizorVideos Жыл бұрын

People didn't have cell phones with digital cameras and cloud storage back then. Photographs were quite an involved thing at the time, requiring specialized equipment and skill, and thus were much less common. As the President of the United States, coupled with the historical significance of the civil war, it makes sense that someone in Alaska at the time would come up with a photo of Lincoln if they were asking around for a "white man picture".

@jeffdelgren2170 9 ай бұрын

I'll give you a hint, this story doesn't make sense cuz it's not true! The first white men Tlingit saw were Russians over a hundred years before Lincoln! Why would coastal people's be mad at Lincoln think think!😅

@jeffdelgren2170 9 ай бұрын

@@teresadewitt7237your elders are being cheeky they know the reason it's the same reason us Tsimshians were mad at Gingjoochman 😅 That's why Tlingit Ganhada put Lincoln on a shame pole. To shame him 😅😅 For not paying his debts!!

@lewhensilvar3521 Жыл бұрын

But why were they proud of this fact?

@jeffdelgren2170 9 ай бұрын

This is yet another lie. The Klingit are being cheeky with you but I know the real reason ;) 😅 Hint, Lincoln is sitting at the top of a shame pole. He is being shamed by the Ganhada Raven Clan 😂 I think the Klinkit don't want us to say why but let's just say freeing the slaves wasn't exactly a popular move on the north coast 😅 And legally the US government owes the Klinkits reparations for their lost slaves😅 now that's backwards of all the stuff they teach you in school!