The fact that this game is hard makes it so beautiful. Every match is different, there is so much to learn and explore, and that's why it never gets boring. I've been playing T7 since release and I only learned 2 characters during all this time simply because it takes so long. So there's like 38 other characters left I still need to learn. This keeps me motivated and ensures many more years without getting bored. That's why Tekken is one of the best games ever!

1:57 'What happens if I hold back? Heihachi retreats like a person of his age.' This cracked me up so hard. Sad truth is, not just him, every character retreat like Heihachi's age. I hate it so much, just the visual aspect of it. Look at how badass Negan does his walk back. Can't they give a unique, better looking walk to every character?

Offtopic, I tried to teach my roommate Tekken yesterday. He straight up picked Law. What should I do? He might turn out to be gormless.

"In order to understand Tekken you need 15,000 wins and 10,000 losses" I never thought those words I read 10 years ago would be so accurate

Swedish man comes out of closet and admits he's a "huge tekken nerd". The crowd goes mild.

The complexity is what makes tekken so incredibly interesting though. It's like an endless journey, which is why you keep staying interested in it. The journey is the fun part of learning anything, and when the journey ends, you move on to the next thing. So please don't make tekken easier namco lol

Very interesting concept indeed. But the very depth of knowledge required to excel at this game is what makes the game so dang awesome. The fact that no 2 matchups are ever the same makes for fantastic replayability. Not to mention the brilliant and intuitive gameplay mechanics (RD and screws a such cool mechanics). Tekken 7’s gameplay is by far the best in the series so far. They’ve managed to find the perfect balance across the board.

You could go on for literally hours on the fundamentals of defense for different situations and you wouldn't even scrape the surface of it, it's a game where you're always learning every damn day, which is why so many of us still play it religiously. Never a dull moment in it. Thx for the video too btw mainman.

What TMM is true, every character has a specific way to be dealt with, every player should know this (especially the new-comers.)

Keep up the good work TMM. This is one of your best videos I have seen yet.

Wish u made this video when I started playing tekken it would speed up my learning process great vid manmain

Great discussion and great choice on the KoF music.

I don't think the number of moves is a huge problem. Most players don't even use half of their movelist. The problem is that many moves have specific or even weird properties that makes them hard to understand and deal with, like crushing properties, variable pushback, highs that look like mids, mids that look like highs, moves that have to stepped/walked or backdashed (two things only advanced players can do) etc. Just look at Noctis who has a quite compact move list filled with very unusual and annoying moves like d/b+1+2, f+2 or d/b+2.

Nice video MM. I,ve learned a lot from you. I hope you all luck in the future.

Nailed it when talking about mastering basic movement in this game. Tekken is a difficult and deep game. It's addictive though.

I'll keep it short and concise for improvement. 1.) Learn how to block hell sweeps (Combos that start with a slow low attack that are easily converted into a launch) Trust me when I say this can single handedly give you wins most hell sweeps are launch punishable learn your punish options from getting out of crouch (while standing moves). 2.) Experiment as you fight new matchups if you don't experiment and are constantly getting hit by a particular string or move it's better to get hit while gathering information. Aka mix in crouching in your defense and see what moves you can duck. 3.) Learn basic punishment so if someone uses a move that you think has a lot of recovery time use your shortest punishers and build it up from there. 4.) Don't forget how to enjoy the game it's pretty complicated and although I hover around yellow I've stolen some rounds from people significantly better than I am and the same can happen to you. Everyone's human we make mistakes laugh at them and you'll get better quicker with a positive outlook.

Seriously? Speedkicks makes a practice mode video, Sonicfox makes a hour long footsie video then MAINMAN hits us with the DEFENSE. Fuck what a week! Thank you!

Just started playing TTT2 (i played 3 days ago and really enjoyed) im a mono kunimitsu and i want to play defensive looking for punishes, i can do some combos constantly like using a attack to launch the opponent up and then use the setsunagake(i just call it dash) + B(xbox) and catch it mid air, but i just feel like its impossible to block some attacks, specially the attacks that hit low and then hit middle right away (eddy/christie has been a hell to play against)

well explained

I loved the Bryan/Kazuya comparison.

By the end of the video, you weren't talking about Tekken players, you were describing Smash players.

The skill barrier is astronomical, and learning the game only really begins after some of those barriers like movement and learning your character. But when you finally get there it feels super rewarding

Damn. You didn't have to roast me like that with the Tekken pro description

TMM, I really appreciate your knowledge of tekken as well as kazuya. I have been using kazuya since tekken 2 and it has been very challenging. After 20 plus years I have know become aware of movement and knowledge of other characters. U r right though bout the time u have to invest in order to b good in this game. I just wanted to thank you for your knowledge and your videos

Very informative video and great advice as always from the sage of tekken, the main man. But...I would have to disagree with you on your thoughts about simplifying the KBD for T8. This is first tekken since 3, I’m a green rank Feng and I’m barely getting the kbd to work. It took me a good while and I think that’s a part of earning your stripes for this game. If I wanted something easy I’d play dbfz with their auto combos.

What a b/tch that donation guy 5:52 , Aris literally said search on my KZfaq channel those words , cause is to long to explain Nice vid btw

In tekken 8 what if they remove the db input from the kbd I feel like that could make it beginner friendly or if they increased the walk back speed kinda like in sc6

So in a nutshell do pratice at your best pace, experience comes with time and so does the fun increases

I have a question for u it involves a combo. I can't seem to get the part where the bound is. its EWGF, d+f+3,3 ,1 ,1, d+f+1, 2 , f,n ,d+f+3, 1. are u able to do it if so that would be great and if u can or u dont have time for this just notify me. Also, this is on ttt2 sorry for the trouble edit: its for kazyua combo

Lol.. I liked the blurry effect at 5:55 :)

Lol that math part had me dead 😆

The Casual's Back Dash (a favorite of mine): b, b, d (or) u, repeat. XD

The defence is very important in this game especially when u used a defense character

Jesus, I forgot how much it takes out of me playing this game. I don't know how streamers can keep putting down good matches for hours at a time.

The thing I was always wondering regarding KBD was if it actually was something in the game that was intended to be there. Cause before players were playing Tekken for years and did not know you could actually move like that.

Im learning Asuka and I can’t deal with pressure 🤦‍♂️ she’s not my usual style of play and it’s proving to be quite difficult to win matches. I kinda freeze while playing and am focusing on blocking which makes me late on punishments and unprepared when I land a launcher and I’ll drop the combo. That being said l, I love the challenge

If Harada only sees one video from you, this should be it. KBD is one of the main reasons that separates the casuals from "pros". As they dont want to spend countless hours just to learn movement they just drop the game. It could stay, and kept as a superior version but normal backdash needs a speed buff IMO

To be fair all fighting games have that element of sometimes the lesser player wins. Fighting games lean heavily on two things, the turn based nature of frame data and the RPS mind game. The executional hurdle tends to be just a hurdle and has been getting smaller. You can't really make up for your lack of matchup knowledge with execution. There's no out just-framing anyone like how you can out micro or out aim someone in other games. A good player could lose some FT2 sets vs a worse player when he would never lose a FT10 set.

Removing kbd would be a bad move. All tekken needs is a tutorial and replays.

Its a misconception among people new to fighting games who thinks fighting game is just a guessing game

Kbd should stay, screw the mash back idea that’s completely retarded. The reason that even exists is because you can cancel any movement into any movement which is why mashing back one direction doesn’t work. Learning to kbd isn’t hard at all, it takes a couple mins to learn and get it consistent. Over time it will evolve and you’ll do it better and better. This game is already helping casuals with Nocbitch, Katarina, Rage Arts, etc. (Rage Drives I’m fine with cause some leave you with a combo after which can take execution and some award reads like King catching left or right roll on ground for harder knockdown) so keep Tekken how it’s been for years. It’s always been hard and movement has never changed, don’t let these sudden newcomers destroy the franchise and destroy Tekken’s identity when it’s been fine the way it was for years

If Tekken 7 had more customization options and learning tools it would be so much better. Tag 2 had more customization options, replays of your 10 recent matches and replays of your friends. This way you can review/coach yourself. As much fun as it is to learn Tekken, some of us have jobs so even if we're willing to put in the effort there is simply not enough time

5:40 damn I'm sorry, get help soon Adrian.

MainMan for tekken player who is the best stick or pad i play tekken 4 years on pad and naw i want to play on arcade stick how i can learn arcade stick quick and fast

Hey can you teach is how to play an effective geese cuz I just sick with him

As someone who can kbd almost perfectly on the left side but who makes imperfect as hell right side kbd, I do think smashing back should at the very least be slightly better. It shouldn't be the difference between a turtle and a rabbit, backdash spam should still be a viable option to retreat just not as efficient as kbd which rewards you for cancelling the animation.

It seems like every match I’m in either someone’s fucking spamming every single frame or somehow reading every block before I even do it and hitting me, no matter what if I block low they throw a high kick before my character even starts to crouch and vice versa, I’m getting really fucking frustrated

My sidestep game has always been weak. Il step after jab and get launched 70% of the time

+1 on kbd take. It should just be b,b,B. Back run.

I have to disagree with the backdashing. Sure u can make it easier but I think that's what sets the game apart from casual and competitive. I played league for a long time and my favorite champ ( riven) required you to be able to cancel animations. Once they got rid of that and made it easier I quit lol

you are meant to be slowly backing up but people took advantage of the game.

I remember when tekken took skill now every body smashing out for wins online and plugging for rank when the lag don't work everyone looking for the easy win

Finally someone actually explained why KBD is a hindrance to newbies. I like this man.

4500 * 5 = 2250

tekken players have good memory

Maybe in a video titled "basic", you know, a video where newcomers and people trying to improve would watch, don't exaggerate the difficulty to the point where it's just ridiculous... Besides, you don't have to learn every damn move in the game. There's a lot of similarities and rules in Tekken, stuff like orbitals or hopkicks. All you need is a good grasp of those rules and maybe memorise the exceptions if you wanna go the extra mile.

Tekken defence? Is that like the Wookie defence? "This is Kazuya, his dad threw him off a cliff as a child and now he's the incarnation of the devil and wants revenge. That does not make sense..."

I'm absolute shit at this game, but i wouldn't want to see it downgraded because of it.

KBD should be kept until Tekken 52. It is one of the things that seperate the good players from the scrubs.

Don’t remove KBD, just take some of the edge off of executing it.

because of korean backdashing i get to the higher ranks especially with jin for genbu (right now i used to be stuck at green crap ass rank and searching for tips how to improve it) because of korean backdashing i learned anything about fuzzy guarding because most moves that im strating against was strings and cheezy freakin lows (i didnt punish it properly sometimes because jin has t rex arms when punishing law cheezy lows and that is probably b+3,34? i think?)

I disagree with mainman in that he thinks that they should make kbd more simple by just having to mash backwards. I believe they should make things easier to learn and also to make that content super easily available. Harada since season 3 of T7 has shown that he is more open to investing in this line of thinking with the frame data release. Hopefully the dude just goes balls deep and brings all the oldheads of tekken together to post educational videos on an official Tekken youtube channel and/or website

Eddy

6:15 you have this game it's called soul calibur :3

Kbd isn't even that hard If someone can't find the dedication to spend a few hours learning how to then they won't be a long term tekken customer.

I do think they should make some movement easier. Bit I think they should expand the moves waaaay more! I think stances should be capitalized on way more. Like 10 stances per character which independently are a way of fighting.

How can any player you find to fight against has 5 bars? All players in high ranks have perfect wifi? 😂

Main reason I'm giving Tekken a break and considering making it permanent. Defense in this game is just ridiculous and counterintuitive in many ways.

I genuienly don't understand what's hard in KBD, it's an extremely easy series of input, same for wavedashing, what the hell is hard about those? I can do them without ever messing up, i could do that after 15minutes of training, i don't understand why people say it's hard...

A Tekken player doesn’t cook his own food.. *Gets coffee from his girlfriend* Seriously though I can listen to stuff like this for hours. I’ve been requesting a video describing the basic match plan versus the typical online version of the entire cast.

Be careful what you wish for. Soul Calibur is what happens when Namco tries to make a game more accessible. I don't think it's worked out very well.

6:23 NO, that is one of things that separates the boys from the men

-btw, Can you do this?-

People kick up such a stink over this stuff. I have no idea what’s the big deal, just b4 and you’re good. I also play Miguel.

1) Tekken = The hardest 3D fighting game= Movement (Wavedash, Backdash, sidestepping) are fundamental things but hard to do. 1a) Virtua Fighter = The 2nd hardest fighting game imo = An argument can be made for number one....it is arguably the most balanced 3D honest fighting game ever. please see Why Virtua Fighter is Deeper than Tekken kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sNhkn7yl1Ne7cmQ.html 3) Soul Caliber= The 3rd hardest fighting game = The 8 way run makes movement very fluid and open. The movement makes probably the most sense in 3d space. The execution is not too hard...yes there are just frames for certain characters. VF and SC could be argued which is harder... 4) Dead or alive = The movement is thee most fluid overall in 3D fighters.....the sidestep function was introduced in doa5...the execution is the easiest.

Avoiding The Backdash

Removing these barriers will result in a boring game though, it will the all be about attacks and all the law players will rejoice while every Mishima players’ collective groan will kill all the polar bears

Tekken is good because it’s hard

Korean backdash is not an official technique, it’s just exploiting back dash and crouching animations to get an endless backdash loop. It is a very useful unofficial technique but imo finger gymnastics isn’t worth learning just to move in a game, but it feels like a necessity because movement in Tekken is strange: it’s so vital to gameplay but the standard movements are animated and control like garbage.

They need a damn counter or escape from juggling omfg. I hate it

where is the line when KBD should be made more accessible for beginners but the hitbox cross up is too cheating

3:55so you one of those guys search just to cancel douche 😲

22500?... Underestimated complexity for competitive Tekken players...

its pretty much impossible to learn all the punishes

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Making Korean backdash easy to do by just mashing back would be a horrible decision and completely ruin the game. I hope TMM isn't being serious when he says this.

ye they shouldn't remove backdash cancelling, I LOVE that tekken is a hard game. We hardcore fans love tekken for what it is, if casuals can't get good at this game then they should play some other easier game.

plz no mash backwards for bdc, would be boring.

Imagine tekken being easy? It'll get boring

they just need to trim the fat when it comes to move list. No need to have 100 moves per a character.

A complicated movement system doesnt make game harder, it kills fun and reduces potential playerbase. A better player will always be a better player, and it doesn't matter if game is simplified or not. I've been playing Tekken for 20 years since Tekken 3, and I've learnt about korean backdash just a couple months ago when started playing online :) I managed to get Genbu rank with Xiaoyu, but I still cant do backdash cancel properly. I love this game, but I want Tekken 8 to be more friendly. Just look at Street Fighter: movement is simple, moves are about 8-9 per character, but the game is still very hard and popular though:)

This game is shit there is no fun playing it just makes me rage and get frustrated no matter how skilled iam let alone the fact you have to pay a for a new cherecter to lab there bullshit

This game is trash