TNP #8 - Teardown & Detailed Analysis of the U2001A 6GHz Agilent USB Power Sensor

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The Signal Path

The Signal Path

Күн бұрын

In this episode Shahriar takes a close look at the design and architecture of an Agilent USB Power Sensor. The principle operation of different power detectors is presented alongside various block diagrams and schematics. The teardown of the power sensor reveals the system components from the integrated sensor MMIC to the ADI BlackFin DSP core. The detector is further examined under the microscope and the dual-diode detector design is presented.
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@leocelente
@leocelente 2 жыл бұрын
This channel does something very interesting. Normally, the general public (as much as you can call this audience general) would never see the insides of such expensive and exotic devices. If it wasn't for this channel (and other like it) RF would always be magic, forever a black box. What videos like this can do is share the beauty in the engineering that happens behind the curtains. I know that my interest in RF has only grown with each video and I know that without them I would never appreciate and admire the work that goes in to making anything high frequency. I don't really know where I was going with this, but I'd like to thank you Shahriar.
@Thesignalpath
@Thesignalpath 2 жыл бұрын
You are welcome my friend and thank you for the kind words.
@olesia2004
@olesia2004 2 жыл бұрын
@@Thesignalpath thank you for your videos
@Thesignalpath
@Thesignalpath 2 жыл бұрын
*The intro animation was cut off accidentally on this video. :(* *Although no damage can be seen on the diodes, this unit definitely has a bad detector.*
@auke1031
@auke1031 2 жыл бұрын
Had videos like this, or even youtube itself existed when i was in school, i may have become some sort of RF specialist wizard! Alas, it took an extra 25 years, and I'm much less of a wizard. Still, I'm finding uses for this knowledge in my work and hobbies!
@keithlambell1970
@keithlambell1970 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating to see how complex and beautiful the implementation is. I have new respect for "just a power sensor".
@johnkeates9434
@johnkeates9434 2 жыл бұрын
It's amazing how zooming in this deep shows exactly how that high/low diode diagram reflects back on the substrate. Usually there is some 'simple' diagram and then when you look at an assembly or a component there is all this extra stuff that can make it hard to identify what's what. This is almost a one-to-one implementation on that sensor! Seeing the construction like this also makes you appreciate all the manual high-precision work that has gone in to this, almost making you wonder how ~$4000 covers all of that...
@buildstoys
@buildstoys 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another power sensor teardown, enjoy them all!
@maurosobreira8695
@maurosobreira8695 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful. Most comments asking for more in-depth analysis and tests to figure out the causa mortis (I must include myself into). But then, that would not classify into a TNP episode. On a side note, I cannot imagine how much EE Pooch has learned through the years, just breathing the air of Shahriar's lab!
@JFirn86Q
@JFirn86Q 2 жыл бұрын
Very cool, thanks Shahriar!
@glenslick2774
@glenslick2774 2 жыл бұрын
I wasn't sure what the "Square-Law Region" meant. Had to look that up. Learned something new today.
@ovalwingnut
@ovalwingnut 2 жыл бұрын
Slick answer, Glen. (yes, a nickle for every time you heard that...)
@xDevscom_EE
@xDevscom_EE 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Would be interesting to see also thermocouple type power sensor. Also I couldn't spot any damage on a die to suggest overload? Maybe a only that spot on main substrate where resistors before the die?
@codingmarco
@codingmarco 2 жыл бұрын
Very cool to see, thank you!
@scose
@scose 2 жыл бұрын
beautiful machined parts!
@vincei4252
@vincei4252 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing this. Also I think that has to be one of the longest Pooch cameos.
@BaconbuttywithCheese
@BaconbuttywithCheese 2 жыл бұрын
A peek into the workings of the rf dark arts is very welcome, especially with your explaination. Thanks.
@andymouse
@andymouse 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating, all you need now is an SEM....cheers.
@Bianchi77
@Bianchi77 2 жыл бұрын
Cool video, thanks :)
@ThermalWorld_
@ThermalWorld_ 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome autopsy 😌
@benmodel5745
@benmodel5745 2 жыл бұрын
Starting to see why these are so expensive!
@tabajaralabs
@tabajaralabs 2 жыл бұрын
I missed pooch getting a shock on the intro =D Anyways thanks for the great video! =D
@craigs5212
@craigs5212 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the nice video, very interesting. Confused: Why is the high sensitivity path after the attenuator, I would think that would be the low sensitivity path?
@PushyPawn
@PushyPawn 2 жыл бұрын
I just learned that this channel used to be called The Noise Path. How interesting. I do reckon TSP sounds much better.
@Thesignalpath
@Thesignalpath 2 жыл бұрын
The channel is called The Signal Path. The noise path are the shorter videos on the channel.
@ve7fm447
@ve7fm447 2 жыл бұрын
I have a fully working U2001A. As you suspected Shahriar I'm sure it is the same or nearly the same hardware used for all power sensors in the family. Mine seems to work fine to 26.5 GHz, and maybe more. The levels are uncalibrated past 6 GHz but the input impedance and response looks very good.
@vincei4252
@vincei4252 2 жыл бұрын
Funny, Maxim, LT and AD parts. Now they're all Analog Devices parts. Wonder whether there are any Hitite parts on there too (only 9 minutes in) should be interesting.
@johnnycash4034
@johnnycash4034 2 жыл бұрын
So cool
@mohammadabukhater2906
@mohammadabukhater2906 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful videos.. thanks! I think the choppers are also to reduce the 1/f noise by increasing the signal frequency. Any comments?
@PixelSchnitzel
@PixelSchnitzel 2 жыл бұрын
My brain: "He has already done one of these before." Also my brain: "WOO HOO! I get to learn more AND get reinforcement learning!" This was super interesting as always. I'd love to learn more about the second microscope too! Thanks a million, Shahriar! I wish I could find words to express how much your videos have broadened my enjoyment of the electronics hobby and multiplied my skills & abilities.
@PixelSchnitzel
@PixelSchnitzel 2 жыл бұрын
@MichaelKingsfordGray My brain has no idea what you're talking about.
@fourierv2
@fourierv2 2 жыл бұрын
What would be the benefit of using ribbon bonds over standard bond wires on the chip? The insertion loss of a ribbon bond compared to regular bond (even hamburger bond) is marginal and is typically only seen at E- or W-band to squeeze the extra bit of bandwidth in. This is a 6 GHz sensor though. Couldn't see any epoxy for die attach so are the ribbons being used to secure the chip down? Power handling capabilities?
@fourierv2
@fourierv2 2 жыл бұрын
@@DrJoelVNA Thank you!
@aleksandarvasilevski7410
@aleksandarvasilevski7410 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone recognised the low frequency chips at the input that are chopper amplifiers according the block diagram?
@lmamakos
@lmamakos 2 жыл бұрын
Another Pooch appearance! Yay! I think according to union rules, once he appears on screen he need to get paid in cat treats for his performance. What an amazing bit of mechanical design, tiny spring-a-ma-things just ejecting themselves during disassembly. Not hard to imagine how much manual labor is involved in the production of small, precise instruments like this.
@hinz1
@hinz1 2 жыл бұрын
Substrate most likely is sapphire, even back in HP times, they used that stuff everywhere around RF signals, i.e. pi attenuator stages in their large multistage attenuators in RF signal generators/spectrum analyzers etc. Sure that none of these maxim switches were blown? These things (Maxim and DG ones) fail quite often, most Keithley 20xx DMMs failures are due to leaky analog switches, since the diodes under the microscope look quite intact....
@douro20
@douro20 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if they use Scott Zerodur for this application as well? It is a glass ceramic with high transparency, high dielectric strength and an extraordinarily low thermal coefficient of expansion. The latter property has made it an invaluable material for mirrors used in space-borne optics.
@sbreheny
@sbreheny 2 жыл бұрын
@Joel Dunsmore Could it be polycrystalline sapphire? That should make the dielectric constant isotropic (get rid of birefringence). I don't see why single-crystal material would be needed for low loss.
@dominicfunke146
@dominicfunke146 2 жыл бұрын
Nice Video! You mentioned that the diodes operate in a square law region. I was wondering what kind of diodes these are and why they have a square law region?
@ovalwingnut
@ovalwingnut 2 жыл бұрын
Great question DF. I personally though that "square law" referred to RoBlox in some way. Seriously, does sound interesting. Cheers!
@olesia2004
@olesia2004 2 жыл бұрын
These are shottki diodes. The output voltage = input voltage square X coefficient
@douro20
@douro20 2 жыл бұрын
Blackfin is actually a general-purpose CPU and DSP in one package.
@EloiGM96
@EloiGM96 2 жыл бұрын
Which microscopes and cams are you using?
@genghizalseitov3807
@genghizalseitov3807 2 жыл бұрын
Is it possible with devices to measure reflected power of microwave in waveguide ?
@user-fy7gx9os5c
@user-fy7gx9os5c Жыл бұрын
Hey! teach me how to change coefficients in power sensors (N8481a...N8487a)
@djmips
@djmips 2 жыл бұрын
Welcome to The Noise Path !? 😂
@youpattube1
@youpattube1 2 жыл бұрын
My cat, like pooch, is also always planning his next attack. But I would add this one caveat - when awake.
@metasequoia12
@metasequoia12 2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful microscopy work! What make/model microscope do you use?
@KennethRosenstroem
@KennethRosenstroem 2 жыл бұрын
I would also like to know
@pyrokinetikrlz
@pyrokinetikrlz 2 жыл бұрын
The detector seemed fine. I wonder what was the actual malfunction of this device.
@andrewsweet43
@andrewsweet43 2 жыл бұрын
I think there is actually a burn mark between the detector chip and the interface horn...
@Thesignalpath
@Thesignalpath 2 жыл бұрын
The detector is bad for sure. I have verified this with another sensor.
@brainkod
@brainkod 2 жыл бұрын
There seems to be a long crack between the connector and the transition from the coax input side to the IC (upper side of the quartz substrate)?
@olesia2004
@olesia2004 2 жыл бұрын
10:11 Someone could please tell me the name / manufacturer/family of this connector ?
@stevefriedl3983
@stevefriedl3983 2 жыл бұрын
These are still available from Keysight: $3866 new.
@AgentOffice
@AgentOffice 2 жыл бұрын
Very cheap
@gacherumburu9958
@gacherumburu9958 Жыл бұрын
👍👍
@sluap
@sluap 2 жыл бұрын
What is the purpose of the black material covering the pins of the processor?
@gabiold
@gabiold 2 жыл бұрын
Probably glue to increase reliablity by preventing the chip from breaking off the board due to thermal cycles. That is a common failure mode of BGA soldering.
@Thesignalpath
@Thesignalpath 2 жыл бұрын
Mostly for protection against shock and thermal cycle. People probably drop these things occasionally.
@anonymousarmadillo6589
@anonymousarmadillo6589 2 жыл бұрын
I need to watch this video atleast 3 times to understand wtf is going on lol. I'm kinda slow
@ovalwingnut
@ovalwingnut 2 жыл бұрын
Three (3)? You a Mensa member? Good on you :O) It takes me (3) tries just to get the video to play right :O\ Cheers CTG.
@tamaseduard5145
@tamaseduard5145 2 жыл бұрын
👍👍💖🙏💖👍👍
@bartoszkazmierczak7249
@bartoszkazmierczak7249 2 жыл бұрын
I have a question that has been bothering me for a while. Is your cat's name Pooch or PUCCH?
@Thesignalpath
@Thesignalpath 2 жыл бұрын
It is Pooch. :)
@ovalwingnut
@ovalwingnut 2 жыл бұрын
Krap! We've all been asking the WRONG questions.. Then Bartosz shows up and "scoops us"? Very good BK. You RoCk! 10 points awarded. Cheers.
@bfx8185
@bfx8185 2 жыл бұрын
Missed I where is the problem of this detector? I don't se any damage.
@bfx8185
@bfx8185 2 жыл бұрын
ah I see your comment now :D
@AI7KTD
@AI7KTD 2 жыл бұрын
Your signal to noise ratio is falling!
@a_li12fathar87
@a_li12fathar87 2 жыл бұрын
I almost destroyed one at work old hp one
@robnaulty1750
@robnaulty1750 2 жыл бұрын
John Cage intro
@OneBiOzZ
@OneBiOzZ 2 жыл бұрын
Sadistic engineer thinking a ZIF flatflex is the best in-production programming interface
@NeverTalkToCops1
@NeverTalkToCops1 2 жыл бұрын
6Ghz, is that all? I mean consumer CPUs run at 5 Ghz. Why don't we make computers out of 66 Ghz RF electronics?
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