Let's build a wall such that >50% of smartphone users can't access our world, instead of using the same-quality, free, widely available alternative!

it's not only Europe. this is the way it is in most of the world.

True, though I will instantly switch to Facetime if i get the chance. Just so much more crisp.

have you tried facetime? the quality beats whatsapp video call by miles.

I take it as an insult when someone messages me on what’s app. Facebook owns that system and actively uses it to gather information on users.

You guys use phone in English or your native language... say Japanese?

To my knowledge he's the only KZfaqr that nothing advertises through with new releases and such.

line is pretty good, it used to be very popular in my country before Telegram came out

@@seepranavgof course japanese

They cancelled it really?

"It's all encrypted" - Marques, buying what he's told by Nothing and Sunbird hook, line, and sinker because they let him announce it exclusively.

What's wild is that there are still people who buy Apple products, my MacBook is broken and they say it can't be repaired, when the warranty runs out you spend a lot of money on repairs, everything has to be original!!! no wonder their shares are worth 3 trillion dollars!!!!

school environment feels a bit different though, when i was studying in france, having a girlfriend and not iMessage felt like i was making it inconvenient for her. we had to text through insta or snapchat but it definitely isn't as practical.

I agree with iPhones getting hyped up just cause of the necessary imessage and facetime in the US but macs are a real good product and is leaps ahead the windows competition… apple’s ubiquity with iPhones is not good but macs are completely fine .. offers solid build - chips - support- power everything…

At Swinburne in Melbourne, my class mates had to ditch their Macs because most of the Engineering programs didn't run on MacOS. Depends on what discipline and Uni you are at. But I'd imagine anything that isn't Engineering is Apple central these days.

The thing is, if you're not in a specialized field like Engineering, Architecture, and others that require Laptops with powerful GPU's, then Macbooks are the way to go. In particular, the M1 to M3 series of Macs are easily the best laptops I've ever used for regular daily activities. They have huge bateries--literally lasts 18 hours--and the screen along with the build quality are top notch. For all the wrong things Apple has done, Macbooks are not one of them.

​​@@SaadKidwai Not quite right actually, especially in SE Asia, as an example. Macs are only considered to be "for the rich" only, and almost everyone here uses Windows computers, as they're cheaper and more accessible.

6:08 , ooh there comes the end to Nothing chat in the US ... Can you relate ?

Even Korea and China has huge number of iPhones surprisingly.

That's normal. Facetime and iMessage is primarily used in US. Like my whole family uses iPhone, talk about 30+ iPhones across ages but all of us uses Whatsapp instead.

TBH that's similar to Europe. I don't know many people that use iMessage or FaceTime over things like WhatsApp, snapchat, messenger etc.

lowkey imessage kinda sucks in comparison of third party apps like whatsapp

My man I know it's annoying but if you can, get her that iPhone. Teenagers have enough issues already 😅

Cheaper better android? Bro eBay. Get a iPhone 14 pro max for the same price as your cheaper android. It’s faster, safer, more secure, and a higher quality phone.

have her get beeper, it's similar and you can do imessage on android, I use that as a teenager, otherwise she can probably trade it for a good value with a carier

nah, android will always be a trash OS

Cheap? Isn't it like 800 bucks

@@cosmicreaverkassadin1143 You misspelled ios.

@@cosmicreaverkassadin1143android is trash? That’s like saying windows is trash compared to Mac OS. They’re different.

And I absolutely hate that, how everyone here in the US uses the iPhone exclusively. It’s so crazy to me. There are SO many interesting/cool phones out there that no one is experiencing because of this weird spell Apple has over so many people. I have an IPhone currently because everyone else does 🤦🏽‍♂️ But once the S24 Ultra drops, I’m on to that and not coming back

​@@kingjames6731even the S23 Ultra is leagues beyond the current iPhones. S24 will make the gap even bigger

Just to temper the dialog here, I live in the US and happily use a Pixel 8 Pro. I don't have any issues and rarely if ever get blue bubble shade. 49% is a huge market share for one company, but they don't even have a technical majority much less a practical one.

@@DanKaschel How old are you if you don't mind me asking? He said in the video 87% of teenagers use iPhones so obviously if you aren't a teenager 1. there is less pressure and 2. If so many teenagers use iPhones that would mean the percentages for the remaining population flip quite a bit since overall 51% use Android meaning adults favor Androids quite heavily to balance out the stats.

And yesterday Apple announced it's adding RCS support in 2024! Long live EU regulations ❤

I’m still sticking with my Apple products though.

@@TravelerVolkriinWho cares?

Probably just a timed exclusive for it as it's in beta, but it's just using Sunbird underneath which is in closed beta with a waiting list so you can register yourself on that or wait for it to come out.

Probably because there are costs to run those mac mini servers. So this nothing chat app is only profitable when it can attract people to buy their new phones. If people use the app on the old devices they are just losing money.

I find the whole WhatsApp thing so weird

@@p4olom That’s honestly so great to know 👍

MKBHD won't badmouth apple, it's too risky and he can't afford to be blacklisted for sake of his youtube channel. This is the reason a lot of KZfaqrs who have a large audience are terrified of talking shit let alone being frank when it comes to Apple products.

hypocrisy? please explain

@@Flash363 yes of course. that's the only explanation as to why people won't say anything bad about apple right? It's not because apple releases great devices and services but only because the youtubers will get blacklisted. naturally.

Apple just stated they will be support RCS next year.

I love how mega corporations like Apple engineer what's cool and what's not in the US

That is sad.

ur broke!😂

​@cadenmam3853 - says little timmy with his 110 dollar iphone 7

And then gouge them for memory for ever after. That was what drove me away from iPhones a decade ago (though I am still an Apple laptop user) and it looks like they still do it. It felt like an abusive relationship. Like: hot guy, but mean. Not worth having, ultimately.

For me personally, iPhone was always going to be the brand I would buy, and that’s because of the iPod. Back in the days of mp3 players, Apple was making by far the best music players, and the competition wasn’t even close. They basically perfected the UI on their devices, so iPods were the standard when it came to portable music. I ended up getting an iPod nano, and used it for a long time. When came the time to buy my first phone, the natural progression was to get an iPhone. I have a feeling this is the case for a lot of people.

Or they have a limited number of Mac's to go around

Try samsung their interconnectivity is just as if not better than apples once you figure out how to use it

If the Windows Phone had succeeded, they could've done it. But they didn't, and likely never will.

More walled gardens? Thanks but no thanks. Google and MIcrosoft/others should cooperate to make Android more integrated with Windows/Linux.

If you are on the internet, you have no protection over your data. Anyone can take your data and then give it to anyone else. So security shouldn't be the highest priority unless you want to run pure Linux.

Too. In my region. People buy iPhone, because it's just an iPhone

Same here in the UK. There is not as much *phone discrimination* but the iphoje usage is probably like 80%

What I dont understand is... whats so wrong with that? If you are mentally grown up enough you wont care about being left out because fake friends want you to have blue bubbles. Plus why do people hate on iPhones? Because they are the apex phone the best. Simply put.

@@hankagura5355 Why do iPhone users hate android users? Because they are the apex phones the best. Simply put.

I think it's less about hating on them and more that they are so expensive. Not everyone can afford an iPhone. But heck, not everyone wants an iPhone either. But it would be nice to have an android phone that worked as well with iPhones and iPhones work with iPhones

They can't sort out the security risk. It's an inherent problem as long as Apple doesn't open up.

Bro why are you so unsatisfied with the 12 mini i have friends who still use iPhone 7 Keep the 12mini for atleast 2-3 more years and don’t waste ur money getting a new iPhone

@@char_ytt you clearly didn’t read my full comment.

@@hebestreitfan6973 Why? Server farms are not inherently unsecure.

To be fair, MKBHD indeed has said there are security concerns and red flags to use an apple account for this... But yeah it would be good if there is a clarification video for the same...

@@harishe6069 I believe he only said that just so people can't attack him on it later. He can be all "oh, well, I DID SAY there are concerns." Those concerns, however, didn't stop him from shilling for Nothing. Any person with basic understanding of tech and what Nothing tried to do would tell you it's a bad idea.

@@JohnScigulinsky 💯!!

Can't you just make a new and disposable Apple ID for that?

@@rexsceleratorum1632 I never though about that. Maybe???

Signal > WhatsApp > SMS

Telegram..

@@NewDay14Why do people use signal? Looks goofy

If only in the US as well 😢

Do you guys even have money for iPhones in India

​@@TetrathegodIndia is 5th largest economy what was you thinking when writing this 🤡

@@Tetrathegod actually no, well you're not entirely wrong. A lot of people buy iPhones on something called "No cost EMI" where they get an initial loan to purchase the device and basically pay back the bank without interest over the next 6 months. It's both, a blessing and a curse.

@@yogensachdev That's also how many people buy their iPhones from phone carriers in the US. They are also technically financing but from a carrier, not a bank. Its a curse when people get into status games and ruin themselves financially. I saved up for my iPhone 11 and bought it outright. Serves me well, and integrates with my Mac, apple TV and iPad. I financed my Mac and my iPad, and as a designer this has been a game changer for my business.

@@Tetrathegod Actually some of us actually have money to buy Apple stuff easily but you are right that almost like 70% of theses apple users are ones who just got it from their relatives living in developed countries and others just take "no cost EMIs" and take a loan. For clarification I own iPhone, MBP and other apple ecosystem.

Overrated phone, still trash though

Agreed. Same here. I gave it a go back in the 3GS days.. and as I needed iTunes to copy music etc onto it.. I gave up pretty quick.. Never looked back

Iphone for women. Android for men

"The rest of the world could care less" How less could they care?

@@flyingpanhandle I guess he meant to say "couldn't care less"

Telegram isn’t a regional app

agree with you but definitely it matters as US is still the cultural setter. People copy whatever trends are going on in the west (especially US). It's even evident with more kids in India having an preference for iPhone.

That’s his job, if he indeed considers himself a responsible influencer

In my view he doesn’t highlight just how significant the risk is. In my view that takes Nothing out of the running for deserving any business from anybody under any circumstance. And all regulatory bodies should prevent requesting credentials in this way.

props for doing what you are supposed to do?

​@@theherkI understand how you think, but you're still only logging into an encrypted server farm, so it's not like anyone could go into sunbirds office and access your messages. Also did you see the wall of Terms and Conditions before being able to log in? Bet it stands there too.

Sunbird is shutting down “temporarily”. I think you should stick to iOS, since that imessage on android thing is not really safe.

same here

They will stop it one way or another

Why the hell aint anybody talkin about this

@@HypeCole they probably will just use security as a reason to shut it down

They'll be going after three if them, now that I think about it: 1. Sunbird (which I am a testor for). 2. AirMessage 3. Beeper

Couldn't they just route it from a local device you own? So if you happen to have any apple device, you can setup that device to do the same instead. Or maybe even a VM if possible.

I mean your icloud info is being held on some apple server somewhere alongside all other apple users... I don't see how this is that much different.

Because it’s encrypted on device and apple only has the encrypted data. It’s then decrypted on the receivers device. In this case, the receivers device is Nothing’s cloud iMac, thus they have all your data unencrypted

Honest question tho, do you guys got any video to explain why I need to keep my chat "data" private? Besides for targeting advert of course because the only way to avoid it is just stay off the internet.

Meanwhile in the rest of the world, you just bring it into the manufacturer's service center/drop point like you do with everything else. Insane how you put up with the carrier nonsense. I just have one app from the carrier to make it easier to recharge my pre-paid account. Having a carrier-locked phone with bloated OTA's from the carrier is unthinkable. It is bad enough that the OEM adds bloat to stock Android.

For disabled people it’s a dream

It's rude not to have Signal on your phone 😅

fair but how is apple any better? irs a closed source. you dont know what they do with your data

not every apple user having tiktok and instagram

absolutely....pushing yourself forcibly by imitating a blue skin as nothing chat is not the solution we consumers are looking for!...nothing should not focus on usa now...let them come to nothing...meanwhile they can keep improving their cameras- which are not good as per the money they charge

tbh though I dont think apple is legally able to do anything much since its actually running on a mac server in the backend

@@DemonSlayer-vh8uyso you are basically promoting monopoly

Trying to get large market share of an Android phone in the US is as much a fool’s errand as trying to get Nintendo users to buy your console because it has a game that’s kind of like Mario

you can still use iphone earbuds on any android phone

They’ll probably do it if they get more pressure from the EU which is likely

Yes, but since it's a software thing and not hardware (like usb-c), they could easily adopt RCS in EU only and still keep the US users under control.

@@Goku17yenit is a bit less likely they’ll get that pressure from the EU in this case though as iMessage isn’t used as much in the EU anyway

i'm pretty sure in iOS 17 iPhone users can still use iMessage features in a group chat that contains Android users, just on the iPhone users' ends though.

Seems like an Apple problem

have you heard of whatsapp?

What is the freedom that you get from your Samsung if I may ask? As far as I know Samsungs are just as locked-in as Apple is in terms of customizability.

And even people who use iPhones almost never use the message app.

And here they fucked up. NOTHING Phone 1 was a huge success in Country like India but because of the increase in price of NOTHING phone 2, they didn't do well in India anymore. Just like you said, there are many competitors who offers better features than Nothing at lower price.

Nothing 2 was sort of a failure but then they decreased the prices in Diwali sales and more people bought it. I got it for around 410 USD and its a really cool phone.

@@hasrataulakh I can buy IQOO NEO 7 PRO at price of 450$, which has superior SOC and Camera, Why would people buy NOTHING PHONE 2??. This is exactly why NOTHING phone 2 has flopped. More competition = more value for money smartphones

Not necessarily, there are some high value, underserviced Asian markets. Japan for example, barely have any Android present, iPhone is dominating but people don't really into iMessage that much, and you don't have major brands like Samsung or Chinese to compete with either (the biggest Android leader by far is the Pixel, which shouldn't be too hard to compete.)

I can safely say they're not doing too well in Asian markets. There are so many devices here that offer similar if not equal specs for a lower price.

They made the announcement yesterday that Sunbird is closing due to security issues. I have a good feeling that this video greatly affected them.

Question: Why should it be declared as a gatekeeper app? Are companies/groups no longer allowed to make exclusive features to their customers/members? If they call it gatekeeping wouldn't that set a precedent? Genuinely curious, since on one hand I don't like Apple all too much myself but I have also heard that the message and video services are just very good. I strongly dislike the European Union but the switch to USB-C was welcome. I don't exactly want to support the Corporate Juggernauts Apple, but then again the Multinational Governing Body EU is awful too.

Honestly I’m pretty sure it’s green screened, I can’t say for certain that it is but it’s much cheaper and easier to do than making real backgrounds

Nice one ... keep it up !

Colors were awesome. The thing that bothered me was the random change in the reflection of the light coming in from outside (presumably cars passing by)

​@@imshartednot a green screen

It's marketing to create hype or attempt to grab attention for their unknown brand

@@Ivy101 from Nothing yeah I know that. But It doesn't change the fact that people are crazy over "iPhones" especially in the US

i think the power of apple is iphone + mac together. teenagers are fickle by nature. if you give them a better camera with a powerful laptop, they will leave the ecosystem. that is a hard battle though. Nothing Chat is a cool strategy, i am not sure if it will work or not because think from a teenager's perspective- maybe he/she is not caught using an iphone because of "nothing chat" for 2-3 days/weeks. what is the end game here? eventually people will know and when they know the humiliation will be same...its just delaying the inevitable....and nothing phone 2 is not cheap also...so why go through the hassle and abuse when you are paying so much....the only solution is to ignore it completely....and honestly nothing is an enthusiast brand...people who buy it know what they are getting into....us market is the literally bossed by apple...if apple really has 87% of the the young masses, then it is better not to fight...let it become 99%...americans love to be special...as much as human nature, people will not like it if everyone use the same phone...that's when you pitch in with something different...till then entering usa market is not necessary....just keep a brief presence...that's it...

Where do you live?

Yeah same here. Out in a suburb near farmland. Though I've always been a hardware-first kind of guy so I basically disregard all the ecosystem BS and buy whatever phone has the best modularity or repairability or most versatile camera suite or best tuned speakers or whatever. Sometimes people on the train or on campus even notice and say "cool phone!" 😁😎

I highly doubt people in the city care what kind of phone you have. The only time it’s ever mattered is in friend groups with people wanting to use iMessage within a friend group.

Riiiiight

in europe everyone uses iphone too

I’m American and I have that right with a phone lol

Except of Oppo or Huawei, which are banned/sanction for the only purpose of market advantage .. but hey, we have a "free choice" 👍

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people are too "tribal" or "fanboy". They want to be a part of a brand or want to be normal and but whatever everyone else own. I think most people today can't think for themselves. Especially for teenagers as Marques mention. They want to fit in and be normal. "normal people use iPhone" -- teenagers.

Who’s “we”? Because most companies with their own identities go under. Clearly, the market disagrees.