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Pres. Nelson in his YSA devotional of May 2022 seems to put an end to the debate. “During this life we get to choose which laws we are willing to obey-those of the celestial kingdom, or the terrestrial, or the telestial-and, therefore, in which kingdom of glory we will live forever.”

Our daughter is currently serving he mission in Reno Nevada. She was doing a lot on Facebook in the beginning but her mission president banned Facebook because it wasn't affective and the missionaries were waisting too much time. My daughter told me recently that baptisms have increased significantly since they quit using Facebook.

This is so good, modern day Nehors! People are falling for the idea that they can all be saved because it’s easy and they don’t need to be accountable.

This question was brought up in a gospel doctrine class in a ward in Florida. I was very surprised at the person asking the question as she and her husband were stalwart members having served in many different callings. She said she had heard that if we went to the Telestial kingdom we could work up to the Terrestrial kingdom by good works and then eventually make it to the Celestial. The teacher didn't know the answer and so put it to a person that was recently released as the temple president. I was amazed at the answer because he didn't know the actual answer. Then another person tried to answer saying that yes, we would progress in those kingdoms and go to the next kingdom through our good works. My head was ready to explode as Satan had somehow gotten this false doctrine into the church. So I put my hand up and I know I was a bit forceful with the answer but let the class know that that was not the case. I opened up to the Doctrine and Covenants 76 and just read about those that enter into the Telestial kingdom. Starting at verse 109 and ending at verse 112 that says, "And they shall be servants of the Most High; but where God and Christ dwell they cannot come, worlds without end." It's such a simple thing to understand according to the scriptures and yet Satan still gets in there somehow with his false teachings.

Doesn’t the idea that we will all receive celestial glory eventually because it is what our Father desires sound a lot like Lucifer’s plan? I’m with you brother Palmer 100%.

I think what Jared is getting at is that it’s easy to go off track so we should use the teachings of the Church to stay on course

D&C 109:7 indicates that we should be seeking light and knowledge from all good sources. “And as all have not faith, seek ye diligently and teach one another words of wisdom; yea, seek ye out of the best books words of wisdom, seek learning even by study and also by faith;” Also, Moroni 7:16 “For behold, the Spirit of Christ is given to every man, that he may know good from evil; wherefore, I show unto you the way to judge; for every thing which inviteth to do good, and to persuade to believe in Christ, is sent forth by the power and gift of Christ; wherefore ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of God.”

"An understanding of God’s fabulous plan takes the mystery out of life and the uncertainty out of our future. It allows each of us to choose how we will live here on earth and where we will live forever. The baseless notion that we should 'eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die; and it shall be well with us' is one of the most absurd lies in the universe." - President Nelson, Think Celestial, October 2023 General Conference

I am with you when it comes to Jonathan Cahn, I truly believe he is inspired, perhaps dare I say a prophet. I do not think he is equal to "the" prophet or any of the apostles. I also do not believe he has the priesthood or any keys (although he could be a Levite), but he could still be a prophet similar to Samual the Lamenite or Robert Mason from early church history that Wilford Woodruff said was a prophet.

I can't tell you how bothered I was the first time I heard this concept. It seems unjust to those who try so hard in this life to live a true pure life to be told it actually DOESN'T matter how hard you try in this life because whenever you decide you want it in the next life God will give it to you. God is just. This life is the life to prove ourselves. Only those who choose to live the doctrine and the covenants get to receive the reward. Thank you for making this video. It was a balm to my soul.

I think that Jared's point was that, when interpreting what the Bible says about the last days, rather than look to interpretations of non LDS sources, or even podcasts from church members, it's best to give more credence to authorized sources. I don't think you can extrapolate that Jared was talking about anything anyone ever said about the Gospel

“You can contend, without being contentious” I love that. It’s a pet peeve when people let false doctrine go uncorrected.

Tonight enlightened! Thanks for sharing your journey. Hi Sue👼🏼

Any works based salvation is anti Christ. It’s believing WE (not Christ) can save ourselves. Exaltation is based on the level of light, love and truth of Christ that we accept within us and of course emulate out from us.

The patriot Nurse..She pointed out that not only are we sacrificing our little ones..we are abusing our elderly population....yes H.B. was an evil man along with his family but abusing yhe elderly on the world stage is despicable..

I did a livestream reaching to the debate, we hit on abortion used as a sacrifice by evil people. In my recent video with Chief Midegah I talked about that again and compared it to Pharaoh calling for children to be put away.

It is my understanding that the resurrection IS the judgement, or rather that they are concurrent with one another. Because, the kind of body we receive (the glory and abilities of our bodies) will correspond with the kingdom we inhabit.

To say all will make it to the Celestieal kingdom,It's kind of like the born again thing I heard on my mission in New York back in the 80 "saved by grace", however, it has infected the truth 😢 within the church... The old Kingdom jumping. False doctrine.

For as long as I can remember, I've always had warning bells go off in my mind/heart when someone preaches: "All is well in Zion." Moroni 8:24: "And the first fruits of repentance is baptism; and baptism cometh by faith unto the fulfilling the commandments; and the fulfilling the commandments bringeth remission of sins;"

@Watcher Palmer, I do have a question for you. What do you think of individuals who have a disability? I have been diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome and a form of Autism, and I have had to struggle in life for a lot of things, one of the biggest challenges I have is keeping and finding employment. I am currently unemployed and have been struggling to find another job for almost a year now. I keep praying and having faith that God will bless me with employment, and so do my parents. My wife currently works at McDonald's, but still, she doesn't get paid that much. I feel as though her learning disability and my disability that is a challenge for us. I am hoping that God will bless us with accomplishing the things in this life and I am hoping that we will be able to make it to the Celestial Glory. I know that those who have a disability will be judged differently, but I hope that God will understand that we have tried the best that we can in this life. What is your opinion about those who have a disability? Do you think God will judge those individuals differently?

Wow just wow thank you for the invite to watch the Zoe utube video it was an outstanding presentation what a brilliant young women thanks again bro Palmer!

Abraham 3:24-26 “we will prove them here with”. (Pearl of Great Price). 👍🏼

I just finished listening to you and Zoe. Bravo and well done!!! Love seeing the youth rise up and reach their potential that Heavenly Father has set for them. As far as everyone will be saved, I’m seeing a lot of this where I live in WA state. Mostly from parents who have children who have distanced themselves from the church and chosen a different way of life. Let Truth Prevail.

I often think what if a “ Samuel the Lamanite” was speaking? Would I be able to recognize the truth he would speak? I think many can speak of truth and NOT be members. LET THE SPIRIT GUIDE!!!

Joseph Smith: "Mormonism is truth, in other words the doctrine of the Latter-Day Saints, is truth...The first and fundamental principle of our holy religion is, that we believe that we have a right to embrace all, and every item of truth, without limitation or without being circumscribed or prohibited by the creeds or superstitious notions of men, or by the dominations of one another, when that truth is clearly demonstrated to our minds, and we have the highest degree of evidence of the same.” JS manual, Letter to Isaac Galland, published in the Times and Seasons, Feb. 1840, pp 53-54***

D&C 132 : 16 Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in marriage; but are appointed angels in heaven, which angels are ministering servants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory. 17 For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are angels of God forever and ever. *Also see Alma 12.

I watch as many different sources as I can, in fact my Patriarchal Blessing says that I am to search out as much truth as I can find after I search the scriptures and authorities, plus wherever it can be found. I like the Hebrew scholars and ancient archeologists and science. Many new discoveries are currently happening. Even the science behind the Torah and the Quran is very eye opening.

I remember Neil Maxwell & Boyd K. Packer quoting from C.S. Lewis often. One of his major warnings was about the infiltration of scholars who embraced the Progressive theology. Men Without Chests and the last book in the Perelandra series. We are now face to face with Woke theology just as they warned.

Thank you for introducing us to Zoe. She is amazing!

What about ordinances for the dead? is their work then null and void? Those who might be baptized and sealed etc..."The work will go on until the chain is unbroken" I heard a Bishop say once not going mention his name but he said Sister's who haven't found your husband yet not to worry you will get yours on the other side if necessary... that was back in the 90's. I believe the Savior of the world will provide every opportunity for people to get to where they need to be he knew us before we came here and who we are now and what our circumstances are.

One of the things i absolutely love about you is that you are willing to seek truth no matter where it comes from. I am LDS but we don't have the market cornered on truth. Imo, Christian Homestead deals with alot of clickbait. You just say what it is. Greatful for that and for you never being afraid to say it like it is. Thank you!

Contend without being contentious. Yes! And absolutely much of the time things fall on deaf ears. But I will not stop sharing when the spirit guides me to. Let the scriptures do the talking. Yes! Amen. Agency rules! We mmust live in such a way that we would FEEL comfortable living in the kingdom we desire. Its hard to imagine the Celestial Kingdom so I think that's why so many settle. And tfar too many are choosing the telestial kingdom. Sad. Thank you for this discussion. I've been fed.

Works: We do what we believe. It is not that we are measured by how often or what level of service we provide, but whether Christ's principles rest in our hearts such that we choose to act on those principles when given a choice. The Principle of Progression between kingdoms: I think there are two different concepts working here that are being conflated and causing problems. 1} "Everybody will progress to the Celestial Kingdom, eventually." There are multiple issues with this. The first and major one is that it assumes that everyone wants to. People often assume certain desires are default. During my Mission, people in Brasil were shocked that I did not like Futebol/Soccer/Football. The question was always which team I followed, not if I watched at all. The same was true in the American South, but for American Football. It was always what teams did I support, not if I liked it at all. We assume that everyone would want to be in "Heaven" (The Celestial Kingdom) and not "Hell" (The Others). The Kingdoms is a powerful message because it addresses the dichotomy of how an Eternal Being can condemn some people to an eternal state of torment (Hell). Instead, people are sorted into places with environments that match their desires and the laws they are willing to obey. To that soul, the Kingdom they are sorted into is just right as a Kingdom with higher/lower laws would be torment. But to someone who is willing to live by the higher/lower laws, that Kingdom would look like torture. As such, people already primed for divine revelation are going to see no issues with the Celestial Kingdoms laws and feel that attaining any lesser kingdom is torture. Second, whether movement between Kingdoms is possible. Before you read the next paragraph and declare me "whatever", please read the next three paragraphs. This is an entire thought process wherein it only works when placed together. This is a synergetic result wherein it can not work in stand alone pieces, just like the Plan of Salvation. A truly good and eternal being WOULD create a method for progressing upward in the Kingdoms. A single test in an arbitrary world would be insufficient in ALL cases. To rule that God would only allow once would be to diminish God. Yet, there would need to be a cut-off. The Law of Diminishing Returns notes that at some point, no measurable change will be detected. Eventually, you can determine whether the person tends to prefer Scary movies or Comedies, based on the totality of what they watch. The 1001th movie will not greatly change it. Moreover, the Soul would come to the same realization. Maybe the 3rd or 4th time, the Soul can convince themselves that it would have been different if they had been born in a different place, been richer/poorer, had more/less friends, whatever. Eventually, they realize that their desires and choices will not change regardless of the variable. As such, they accept the degree of glory as a finality, a Final Judgment. Third, the existence of these "retests" could never be confirmed by a person in authority. Human Psychology is such a fickle thing. As long as people have a chance to redo, they rarely put forth 100%. Furthermore, they use it as justification to keep doing poorly. They often justify a lack of studying or trying by saying: they will do better next time, this is their "ditch" attempt, they are allowed a Skip attempt so they will make it this one. All through School and University, I watched this happen. People often wondered why I got to skip the final, but teachers would note that I never missed a test and an F on the final test would still result in me getting an A. If people knew they had multiple chances, most would keep discarding the current test and "go evil", which would invalidate the test and waste everyone's time. Moreover, it would ruin other peoples' tests and imbed bad behaviours and memories in the soul. As such, it becomes psychological necessary that people believe that THIS is the "very last chance". Only then will the truth of our behaviour be illuminated, giving a fair and accurate evaluation of the soul. Not only is this fair from the divine side, but to the Soul. It would be unfair to the soul to declare a judgment accurate if it is based on a Soul that was choosing to "test" out behaving differently. How many Hollywood Actors should be judged differently from the characters they play? Sadly, teaching people this theory is dangerous. People like me can see the totality and use it to explain logical necessity, then still put forth 100% effort. But most people will fall into a lull. This happens with Reincarnation and ALL being saved. It becomes a great tool for the adversary to get people to excuse poor or diminished effort. The reality is: Whether we can move between kingdoms or try again is just a Thought Game. In the end, we need to treat this life as the only chance we have, even if for only ourselves.

When the most important thing above all other else is the killing of the most innocent of our society, it just shows how wicked our nation and politicians have become and how far removed we are from God and how ripe we are for destruction. As for everyone reaching the celestial kingdom, it is false. That's why there are 3 different degrees. Also it say every knee shall bow and every tongue acknowledge and confess that Jesus is the Christ. But it doesn't say everyone has to accept him. I've heard it said that everyone will become a Mormon in the millennium, and that's not true either.

You took the words right out of my mouth

I think a big problem members have is the belief that God will make all things right. The other thing we can get hung up on is that if you teach or train up a child in the way he should go he will not depart from it. Therefore they believe that God will make everything right as they see it.

Well said. The sophistry outlined in the BM that seeks to change the Fathers plan is alive and well today!

Our problem is that you and I see the reality but when you share YOU GLOW W TRUTH!!!!

It's a great advantage to have a Prophet of God to give guidance. I love the talk that President Oaks gave on April 20/21 called Defending Our Divinely Inspired Constitution. I personally recognized a lot of the things that are happening in politics today.

This was so good.

I think if you are at the pulpit...stick with true principles and true doctrine...and your testimony of the Living Christ. I think wards who assign conference talks in Sac. Mtg dont trust the members to pull together a talk for the edification of both the giver and the reciever. Just comment on a talk we can all access..have already heard...and get more of that in RS/EQ....it resonates to me the members are spiritually lazy and have to rely on someone elses experience with inspiration from The Holy Ghost. Dont use your own experiences by all means! 😅..last Sunday a sister spoke and apoligised that she was going to deviate from the conf. talk assigned and told her amazing conversion story. So powerful. She went rogue and it was so refreshing!

hello 👋 from Arkansas 😊

All comments are good, but only God judges the heart. My grandmother was raised a different religion and never joined the church. She had heard us try to teach her but wouldn’t take to it. This good woman appeared to me in the temple, having previously been baptized via proxy a year after her death. She asked me to do her initiatory and endowment, right then when I entered the temple. I felt her like an angel standing next to me, and went to the desk letting them know what was happening. They found her in the system and I did her work. When doing her initiatory she gave me a profound message, an eternal soul saving, private message. I won’t share that part. Her spirit was so strong I was crying nonstop the whole time, and everyone else was too. I don’t understand how it all works, but we are definitely judged by a loving and all-knowing Father.

The temple: don't confuse the Terrestrial "WORLD" with the Terrestrial "KINGDOM" - they ARE NOT THE SAME. The temple NEVER mentions judgement and our inheritance in a kingdom of glory. Also note that the promises made in the temple are future ("the day will come...") and depend upon our faithfulness ("inasmuch as you are true and faithful to your covenants..."). These great temple blessings clearly depend on our obedience and repentance and point to a future day. There is NO discussion in the temple about entering into one kingdom of glory or another.

I am certain that the image of "Weeping, Wailing and Gnashing of teeth" describes members of the church who settle. Who chose to obey only the minimal laws and thereby received the glory they chose...being much lower than the one they were expecting.

We should absolutely listen to and read from many good sources. We then discern what is true and what is not through spiritual guidance and using the scriptures as the standard.

We are told to study from the best books. Our authorities get their learning from outside sources even Joseph Smith. Church sources also contradict sometimes because of opinions. We learn line upon line, studying it out helps us get closer to the truth and if we limit ourselves then our hearts and minds are never prepared for more, we simply isolate and perpetuate a generation of understanding which was not prepared for more.

I have always believed that those in the terrestrial and telestial kingdoms will Nash and growel with themselves because they had many chances and choices to be with FATHER IN HEAVEN IN one of the 3 degrees there and were too lazy to learn CELESTIAL LAWS AND WAYS OF LIVING. I believe that if I don't change my ways EXALTATION IS NOT AVAILABLE TO ME and many others, temple or no temple. AGENCY, KNOWLEDGE COUPLED WITH WISDOM IS THE ONLY WAY !!

I would say nourish your testimony within the church sources until you have strength in the spirit of prophecy. Truth is found in many sources, and the spirit bares witness of all truth, even with our friends of other faiths. The gift of discernment is one of the best gifts we should seek after.

Scott… I agree with you totally!

I seek #truth every where I can find it. And I use the gift given to me to discern truth from error. I am alos going directly to God and seek to "Hear Him" personally. So doing that, seeking truth where ever I can find it, is exactly what we have been directed to do from our Prophet. Not taking the vaxx was one suich choice I was directed to follow from God Himself. And its highly frustrating that so many of the membership are doing only the very basics and not delving deeper, seeking the mysteries of the kingdom of God. I remember thinking that only members of the church would make it and be living during the millenium. But then read VOG with prayer and fasting and read a different perspective which was highly eye opening. I now concur with you that we will gain the glory we seek by the choices we make. We must be comfortable in the kingdom we live. God will not force us to heaven. We will gain the glory we are willing to live those laws in. I find it funny too, that I keep reminding people that we are in "hell" right now...the Telestial kingdom. So many get their panties in a bunch over that one. Lol.

BAHHHHHAHA! Tell Hugh Nibley that you can’t learn truth in other places. Come on!

I burst out laughing when you read the scriptures and then referenced we believe in the Trinity 🤣😂🤣😂

Also one more thing from President Oaks talk which he’s given to and Elder Christofferson also touched upon it. It’s the laws that each is able to comfortably abide. Every kingdom has a law and that’s why if you can comfortably abide. Now since the majority of the world doesn’t know yet what we know they’ll have their opportunity at some point to be exposed that had they remained if they’ve already passed on or not would’ve comfortably abided. they learn about it because of the type of individuals that they would be I would suspect that’s why things happen in the next life Ordinance work that we do otherwise what’s the point that. Lds are fortunate on earth right now to have this knowledge and the day of probation now is the time to show that you’re willing to use your agency to abide that law of the kingdom as you hear about it and learn about it and comfortably abide in it. And it takes a little more than just about before you were able to comfortably abide in it to the fullest extent which is why we need to savior to cleans us and give us that power to become his sons and his daughters as that’s what he does.

Jared is great- but yes, there are various wonderful sources for information.

Paul’s administration the the 13 articles of faith doesn’t say seek only from prophet’s words. So I study all things with with the guidance of the Holy Ghost and the prophets’ words and scriptures and to back up or not that which I am studying.

@watcherpalmer do you think those in the Celestial kingdom will be able to visit family members in lower kingdoms?

I agree with you on that idea that most if not all will eventually reach the Celestial Glory. My personal revelation says that is false doctrine.

I’ve been taught you can progress in the kingdom you choose to live in, but you cannot hop kingdom to kingdom To

… concerning the Twelve Apostles of the Lamb. Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of desolation, of weeping, of mourning, and of lamentation; and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith the Lord. And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the Lord; First among those among you, saith the Lord, who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house, saith the Lord. (D&C 112) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 2 Thessalonians 2)

I've learned so much about the Bible from Amir Tsarfati (Behold Israel)

Scott, 💯🎯, on the nose!

What need would there be for 3 kingdoms if there was no one to inhabit them? Also in the doctrine and covenants section 109 it says to seek out of the best books. It doesn't say seek out of the scriptures only. My patriarcle blessing tells me all truth comes from God.

I listen to others and if I hear something that rings true, I then try and corroborate it in the scriptures and General Conference talks.

The key is understanding what it is God wants from us and what is the Tradition of man. Being able to separate that is key.

The thing that those who chose other places like boating shopping on sunday .party today and drink....because tomorrow we die.that is true.there wont be non of that after this life.

We forget the 13th Article Faith.

Zoe Erickson is amazing!

Politics are the world, and honestly, I want nothing whatever to do with. Our system is corrupt, lacking in any sort of moral or ethical compass, and it does nothing but irritate me. I’ve signed out of the political world, and I won’t be back.

Question for you or whomever is in Utah. Where are the fresh peache farms? We will be driving through in Aug and I want to pick up some boxes of peaches.

This is false doctrine. . . . There is NO progression between Kingdoms: The following is a quote from Spencer W. Kimball. "After a person has been assigned to his place in the kingdom, either in the telestial, the terrestrial, or the celestial, or to his exaltation, he will NEVER ADVANCE FROM HIS ASSIGNED GLORY TO ANOTHER GLORY. That is eternal! That is why we must make our decisions early in life and why it is imperative that such decisions be right."

The agency of man....THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE!!!

Just curious your thoughts on RFK jr. I’ve been following him for years, and I don’t agree with everything he does, but for the most part, I really like what he talks about. Watching his debate live along with the 2 clowns was night and day! He talked about the real issues and gave real solutions.

I once saw a sign that read: What happens after you die? Break in and find out.

Agree…..!

There is one scripture that explains why everyone will not unless everyone actually chose to abide the covenant course through Jesus to get there. There is much we do not know as well still as president oaks suggests. Here is the scripture note “that one soul shall not be lost” And I, the Lord God, spake unto Moses, saying: That Satan, whom thou hast commanded in the name of mine Only Begotten, is the same which was from the beginning, and he came before me, saying-Behold, here am I, send me, I will be thy son, and I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor.

The thing I find about truth is that most people say some true things and other not-so-true. It’s why we have to stay close to the spirit to know what things “unofficial sources” say that are true.

That all will make and not one soul will be lost was satan’s plan.

I think it’s ridiculous not to look at other sources that are truth.

If that’s the case then why didn’t God send Lucifer down in the first place???? Such nonsense!!!

I honestly think we are required to search for truth with the guidance of the Holy Ghost. Seeking knowledge outside of the scriptures and leadership is not wrong. The Constitution was inspired by God and it is not in our scriptures or from prophetic leadership. We are told to get an education. If we are limited to only what comes from the brethren why was president Nelson or any other general authority allowed to get a formal education in any field other than from scriptures and church leadership? Just Curious!! I truly believe we will not all obtain the Celestial Kingdom. We have the agency to choose God or not. We have to accept the consequences of said agency. We can be an agent of Christ or an agent of the devil.

Well Watcher Palmer, once again for me at least you have knocked 47:10 ot out of the park. I shall save this video for reference.

If Jared really believes that you should not look outside of current documentation in the church, then it explains a lot. No wonder he seems to have a fairly limited understanding of the church and doctrine. This is clearly not true!

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You know…….I'm just so glad that our Father in Heaven will be the one who will make those decisions. But I also know about energy, karma if you will. What goes out does in someway or somehow comes back to you.

Have you listened to or read any of the scientifically gathered stories of people having Near Death Experiences? They’re not anything like we picture the 3 Kingdom to be. I had one and I can assure you the tunnel and out of body experience is real. Eternity is a loong time. Hell is experienced as well by people deserving it but calling out to God and being rescued from the downward tunnel which I’ve only read about. Repentance and redemption of sins can take place I believe but it’s a harder struggle after death than here. I don’t know the answers but Eternal Progression has a big meaning to me. I’m not sure there’s a final stopping place.

The Johnson’s r my gr gr gr grandparents where J S received over 15 revelations. He healed my grandmother’s hand , Alice Johnson. I tell ya I’ve not been on Cardia only less than 72 hours now having just received it & I notice when I arise each morning my hands don’t feel as stiff, anymore! I thought the mitochondria was the real goer in our cells not realizing nitric oxide being the spark plug as I study more which are not church books :-) I’m about your age & was getting symptoms of vertigo, also! W/o that revelation, dc 76, we wouldn’t have had the word TELEstial not in 1 Cor 15 a word that means MOST distant from God’s throne. There is a lot more about Eternal Progression that I’ve not room enough to share in this comment section… I’ll drop a few points that requires more length ! 1 . Sure , the Lord’s work is perfect -> Moses 1.39 He’s not reveling in multiplying terrestrial & TELEstial kingdoms 2. There is salvation as to our future ; yet, as Cleon Skousen said it’s not permitted for us to teach it now ! Note: The words weeping , wailing , & gnashing of teeth characterizes it so no easy road home 3. It has to do with the Law of Disillusionment 4. And why would we dwell on that b/c no one, with a sound mind (2 Tim 1.7) , wants to delay one’s eternal progress Note: better it is to be very diligent now -> dc 130.18 so much more we’ll have in the future , an advantage, where we can hit the ground running -> dc 138.55-58! People r very slow to wake up we saw it during the SCAMgenda (1 Ne 1.21) as the Lord said EVERY one walks after their own image (dc 1.16) & almost all men r about unrighteous dominion (dc 121.39) and so have TO BE SERIOUS about the gospel (Lk 2.52) as Pres Jos Field Smith taught me in 1970 at his solemn assembly when I was ten yrs old he was the 10th prophet ! FEW there be who will get with it (1 Ne 14.12)! Requires excellence (1 Cor 3.10) everyday , aLwaYs -> dc 20.77,79!

Jared is way too "Mormony" for me. His views are narrow and his spread sheets are a bit much. How does he have time to work his homestead ?😂

D&C 88:22-24 lds.

I agree with your statement that all will not be in the Celestial Kingdom but I haven’t heard the reasoning from those who say differently. I can’t help but think there is a little “straw manning” going on. What seems incontrovertible is: 1) all God’s children have the opportunity to gain celestial life through Christ; but 2) God will force no one to accept/follow Christ. So the question is more of timeframe and opportunity. Can someone change their mind at some future point, after final judgement, and accept Christ? I’m guessing they can but they just won’t. Admittedly, I have no scriptural evidence for that feeling though. Some prophets have suggested there is no progression while others have. I don’t think the doctrine is as clear as you suggest.

The idea, false as it is, that there is progression between kingdoms isn't new and has been around for years. While God will give us every opportunity while in the second estate, after our final judgement and resurrection we have a permanent body for either a Celestial, Terrestrial, or Telestial glory. And there's no dying after that.

Sometimes it is discouraging to listen to people who travel on the fringes dabbling in unsubstantiated belifs and some even to wresting the scriptures to fit their narrative and belief, seeking to draw others into their false doctrines. Then when you try to reason with them you get no where. For some it may not matter for when it is proven they are wrong they will humbly change their thinking, but for others, i fear they will ,when confronted with that crisis, they will leave the church, or even worse become the persecutors of it.

The question for me is, are we allowed to repent after the final judgement and assigned to a kingdom? Because I don't know where in the scriptures that it says repentance ends after the final judgement even with the scriptures that were shared here. I see repentance as an eternal principal, and it doesn't make sense to me that repentance would end just because we are assigned a kingdom. That doesn't mean everyone will repent, however...If we possibly can repent when assigned to a kingdom it makes sense that it's possible to move kingdoms. D&C 19:6-7 makes me think it's possible IMO. I don't think that means everyone WILL be saved because there will be those who choose not to repent regardless of how many opportunities they get. Because repentance is hard and there will always be those not willing to take the opportunity of repentance. To me, considering that it might be possible to move kingdoms doesn't assume everyone will be saved. They still have to repent. I could be completely wrong; I just see the Savior giving everyone an eternity of opportunities to repent. Again, that doesn't mean everyone will take advantage of that opportunity. Or maybe you are right, and after the final judgement, God might have enough info and time on us to determine what our choices will be throughout eternity and assign us a kingdom where we are stuck. Because after our premortal life, mortal life, and the millennium he will have a good idea of our faithfulness to our covenants to base eternity off of it. Thanks for your videos!

Check out the recent post from The Stick of Joseph about agency.

The Last Dispensation cha NELL just talked about this also

how’s the weather in Utah Arkansas and Texas are melting 🫠

I listened to the first four minutes of Zoe, difficult to keep my attention... I am sure it is good.

Why would people argue about the details of what will happen after this life when no one really knows?

Oh Boy!!! Another loop of these things. Every few years these unofficial "doctrines" pop up. I'll pass this time. Just COW'en on.