it's funny because it just further proves Sydney's point about men having so many expectations on performance and providing something

He's a normal dude

Sorry but he is wrong on this one. The reason why 10 year old boys are subscribing to red pill nonsense is not because they’re 10 year old counterparts are saying “men are trash”. Even outside of that example, its much much deeper than that

​@@dd295dhif it is so good why do you have to compare it. Saying something is not as bad as x doesn't make it good.

​​@@krx3070 normal dudes don't get arrested for human trafficking.

@@jaide1769 I would love to if I can assume anyone do anything illegal to ruin their life, so I can accuse you have relations with minors, but I'm not western women so today is your lucky day

I mean, she probably was right about half the things she said. And maybe close to seeing the problems with the other half. But not quite. Can't blame her. Aren't her problems.

What she said at the beginning is partially correct. The other reality is that men who don't look attractive get no attention in the first place. If they can display what they provide, then they can get that attention.

I agree but at the same time it’s more of a ‘if the shoe fits’ kinda quote and people don’t get that. They want something or a reason for complain

@@vNasus_ Agreed. A little while back, even I would've called it a load of crap.

I have noticed a lot that especially women who ended up with great men in their lives still sometimes openly make comments like that ("men are scary/bad etc") - obviously excluding their boyfriends, friends or family members from that, but still having this generalizing take towards men. Maya for example is a streamer who I have often heard say something like that. It's a tough nut to crack, because the shared bad experiences with men that many young women have probably slowly fostered that collective image of masculinity, so it's not fair to say that it's not valid. But on the other hand it's very unfair to the whatever-percentage of men that are completely normal, good people and understandably drives guys into the arms of toxic masculinity proclaimers, just like toast said.

u know he was joking right?

@@ffll8427 a tough nut to crack indeed

Dr. K said the same thing, too. Young men go to people like Tate cause people like him are the only ones that accept and acknowledge their hardships

I’ve always hated the categorization of men and women because 1. I have my own brothers and I don’t want them to be seen in such a way just for being a man, nor feel worse about themselves for something they couldn’t control and 2. I’ve dealt with it on the other side as a woman. Led to a lot self hatred just for being born a woman, a lot of shame, insecurities, and one of the things that feed my depression. I don’t want my loved ones to feel the same way. I know some things a said as jokes, but to hear it so often as it were facts just eats at you and starts to make you believe that’s how the whole world really sees you. It’s sad to see the result of what these statements do to men and women, yet there are some people who are unable to comprehend this, only to further call them “pathetic,” or “weak,” which is what really led them there in the first place.

As a woman, this was a truth that was a little hard for me to swallow but I acknowledge it 1000%. I don’t see all men as automatically evil, but that they all have the potential and capability to do the worst. But that’s just how women throughout the world have to see things in order to minimize the chances of being assaulted, raped, tortured, murdered, etc by men. It’s our survival instinct, perpetuated by the patriarchy. However, I have seen girls/women in my life hold a subconscious or blatant disgust or hatred for all men and I don’t condone that at all. It’s no wonder those people would drive some men to seek approval and empathy from other sources.

okay but lets not confuse the order of things happened tho. People were sexist first, which created frustration in women, which only after that sometimes culminates in them retaliatiing in toxic ways which can feed the cycle again. But women didnt have less human rights in the first place because they said mean things to young guys

@motyovszkimiklos7538 I never said that women started or were the original cause of the problem. But by the same measure, turning around and trying to inflict the *same kind of pain* on new generations of young men, that male oppressors of the past inflicted on others, as a form of vengeance does nothing to solve the problem either. Those young men were not the ones who started the problems either, and unfortunately the most-oppressive generations are already dead and buried, and vengeance against them can never be had no matter what you do. Our only choice is where we go from here. If society chooses to inflict on young men the same kind of pain that their ancestors inflicted on others as a form of generational vengeance, they can certainly do that, but they’re going to create a lot of monsters and miserable people in the process, without really doing anyone any good. Or we can all try to show empathy to each other and actually try to solve the underlying issues and reach a better place, rather than perpetuating the vilification of groups that contain numerous innocents (and so create a lot of collateral damage).

mostly toast, sydney was wrong about like half the things she said lol

​@@limbo7452You're one of the Andrew Tate fans aren't you

@@ccskills7316no? why would you make that assumption? also if you’re trying to defend sydney please know that i just hate her as a person. everything she does just pisses me off for some reason

This, i think its scary how polarized we are all becoming. no one wants to listen to eachother anymore

@@cc-rd4swfr, society can’t coexist at all.

except when he makes the exact same jokes about women all the time it's ok? I'm not offended by the jokes at all, but fair is fair, dudes can't bitch about the jokes against them if they're going to make the exact same jokes about women, and they're supposed to just shut up and laugh along

@@MyNameIsRow01fairly certain the comment says ANY gender

@@aureaswastheone4948 except, I was talking about the first part of the statement? “I truly agree with toast at the end there.” My point was that Toast is being a total hypocrite by making those same jokes about women, but then getting offended for a bunch of fragile egos who laugh when he makes those jokes, but can’t take it when the same joke is used back, it’s a stupid argument to make when both sides should be allowed to joke about it, or neither should

@@aureaswastheone4948 also pretty sure they edited the comment, it didn’t say that before

@@MyNameIsRow01 To start with, if the comment is edited, it will say ‘edited’ next to the posting time, like yours that says “1h ago (edited).” Since it didn’t say that, it was what it was. Secondly, my original comment was not about the banter between their group of friends. It’s about jokes that discriminate other genders, which a lot of time these jokes are super casual and unintentional hurtful, but hurts all the same, either online or in real life. So no, the comment was not about toast and friends. Responding to the first half of the whole paragraph is like only responding to the intro of a thesis without reading its conclusion 🤣 no wonder you backtracked by saying the comment was edited when someone pointed out what the comment was actually saying lol.

missed the point completely

​@@invertedcrayon Genuinely asking, what point did I miss?

@@m.czandogg9576 its more poking at the societal expectations placed on women and men. Although you are right, it wasnt a conversation necessarily about the exact equivalent but the fact that we feel different things about what is said despite it meaning the same thing

@@m.czandogg9576 sydney explains what the male equivalent would be right after sean asked that question

​@@invertedcrayon Ohhhhh okay! I get it, thanks :D

Sydeon

www.twitch.tv/videos/2186121770

Power dynamic in society and patriarchal history would be the reason why it’s different. Women have reasons to be upset at men as an “institution” if you will, and men have so much unlearning and restructuring work to do that they’re not doing, so oppression for women remains the same

@ndtrx you are a clear example of what I'm saying. Women are not oppressed. We all acknowledge the history between men and women but in order to move forward, what has happened in the past can't keep being "thrown in your face".

Dr.K talked about this in really insightful video about called: Dr K’s BRUTALLY Honest Opinion On Andrew Tate, “TOXIC" Masculinity & Incel Culture

I think it depends on where the comment is made because I hear negative comments about both genders all the time. But yea it's upsetting that people don't take men's issues seriously and with compassion.

Think if it like a pendulum swing in which it had previously swung so far to the male side, so over-emphasizing the support for women over men for a time helps with swinging that pendulum back towards equality. Personally I think we've done a great job in modern society with rectifying that inequality, not that it will ever be perfect, and men that support womens rights still feeling comfortable in making comments live the above are a sign that the over-emphasizing is perhaps less needed for a time, personally. I think society is doing pretty good all things considered.

My brother in Christ, she was not being serious, and given that Toast makes those exact same jokes but about women during every OfflineTV video, he was either joking as well, or being a major hypocrite

It's so obviously meaningless banter

i luv her takes

Everything always has been political. It's almost like politics have to do with society

@@brandon14125 😂exactly! Always cracks me up when people say they want things to not be about politics. Politics is in everything, even if only a little bit. If hearing even a little bit of "political" talk bothers you, I think that's indicative or a larger issue with your own personal views and politics.

​@@brandon14125was gonna comment the same thing haha

People are very political beings, whether they want to be or not, some just make politics their entire personality, and others want nothing to do with politics, but politics are all over the place, even with things that shouldn’t be political

To clarify he's not trying to sound like some alt right incel I guess

@@mokkoriman71 ah that’s fair enough then

A lot of the time when dudes bring up how we cant uplift people at the expense of men it has "because women/gays are worse than men" layered in the argument

If you need someone to tell you whether or not you are good or bad, and then purely act on what they say, then you are trash, grow a spine, make decisions on your own, if you want a woman, better yourself into a man that a woman actually wants, don’t be a dude who thinks that women should just want him for simply existing like half the dudes commenting on this video.

Poor toast . He gave pretty good insight on the effects of random casual insults thrown towards men but she said men are trash completely ignoring what he said.

its a joke Syd on the other hand...

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@@mob806 That's also true. Both Syd and Toast brought up sensitive topics and it wasn't the platform or the time to discuss them in-depth. Thus the topics were casually moved on from.

@@mob806 she was trying to move it back to a more happy tone, Toast was the one who couldn’t read the room and see that everyone was uncomfortable, especially since he’s the one that usually makes those same jokes towards the women in OTV, so for him to all but shame one of the women members for making a similar joke was what made it pretty awkward

Lol, I don’t think it’s that serious. That was actually funny as fuck

@@RougeLuxyy I think he’s being pretty serious tho since he also brought this up in Peter’s Fakefans podcast the other week. Seems like something he feels very strongly about & Toast is someone who self-admittedly doesn’t like to talk or care about politics

It's a legit thing. Joking or not, it is very similar to white racism. There are women and people of color who emphasis extreme bias but try to pretend it isn't discrimination. It is, just the roles are reversed. Easy current example is the Disney breach where they were not promoting white mean because of the DEI agenda.

@@Bravezer0 yeah, I thinks it’s like an exaggerated truth he’s been thinking about. Like he does see a problem for young men having good role models to look up to & society today kinda shittin on them, so they follow toxic influences instead. I think he just exaggerates it to to be funny tho in typical toast fashion

I mean, regardless of Syd's actual opinions, the law of comedy required her to hit that opposing viewpoint after something heartfelt like that.

men have been saying misogynistic and deragtory things about women for forever but of course women getting upset by that is the problem. imagine hearing "women are useless, women are weak, women can't do this or that, women are Wh*res" your whole life. y'all think that's perfectly fine.

Brother, they’re comedians, it was a joke, he was getting too serious for the situation, and she brought him back down to read the room, especially since he was getting a little hypocritical with it, and as for the women in your life, they don’t owe you attraction, stop acting like they should just because you’re a guy and you’re there, you aren’t good enough if that’s your mentality, or maybe you are good enough, but haven’t even bothered asking any of them out, either way, you clearly need to work on yourself before you do anything else dating wise

That final point.. Toast replied to Syd's take on society's view on women with a joke about porn. So when toast gave his take on society, she countered with a joke too. Both points are valid, both replies were funny.

Women are not to blame for men falling down the alt right pipeline lollll

You’re doing the same thing Toast is talking about by blaming women. You’ll get nowhere with that line of thinking if you want to seriously tackle the issue

@@howaboutdat ‘Siri, play “Ironic” by Bo Burnham’

@@howaboutdat I'm not blaming them. I'm calling them out.

​@@ethanthao2831 Just take the L

You’re completely wrong. If young men already had misogynistic thoughts to begin with, Toast wouldn’t even bother to convince them to change their minds. Instead he didn’t want his young viewers to BECOME misogynistic. If the left are full of misandrists, that says plenty. You women don’t want to admit it.

He knew, he just liked egging people to say tmi stuff online lmao 🤣 Evonne got egged by toast all the time, and ended up saying funny shit af

@slip9637 ❤️❤️❤️

@fahn.k.3348 ahh I see 👍

Nah, Toast is right.

@@DeGonMan really good argument

@@river6076 But how was Toast wrong?

@@DeGonMan did you read anything i said or just see me say toast was wrong and decide it was your time to show off those riding skills?

@@river6076 Toast doesn't say anything about denying that women feel like they're treated poorly by men

She isn't the one who creates sexism? Its like been engrained in us because of how men for thousands of years thought that women are below them, so like sure if you think that sydney shouldnt generalise all man but she isn't the prime example of how to create sexism

@@Shelkie104 She is a prime example of how to create sexism and thats a fact. Everything that Toast said about that remark was true. It’s sexist comments like that and others that breed resentment and drive young men to fallow people like Andrew Tate and worse. If you truly are someone who stands against all sexism and all injustice you cannot defend what she said. If you do defend what she said and say it’s fine because men have been sexist for centuries, you immediately become no better than what you claim to fight against. Side note: If you’re going back thousands of years the difference between men and women become much more prominent everything was harder and more physical and men are naturally better at that and that is why men would look down on women. If you want an example look at sports, women cannot compete against men. The top female athletes are absolutely incredible and deserve a lot of praise and respect as female athletes, However if you put those top female athletes against the top male athletes it’s not fair. Men and women are not the same and we are not equal and that’s a fact but that does not mean women are inferior or men a inferior, we are all humans with different strengths and weaknesses.

@@theoverlord4ir Sydney was talking about how society views men and women differently, she isn't promoting sexism by bringing it up. And back then when the problems with how society views those two genders differently isn't as often brought up as the present and women aren't taken seriously, sexism still prevails. Were they the prime examples of creating sexism?

@@Shelkie104 from 2:10 to 2:42 while she says some things that I don’t agree with, when I’m pointing out sexism I’m not pointing at this part. I’m pointing at what is said starting at 3:10 Watch that part of the video then read my previous reply because that reply was meant for this part of the video.

@@theoverlord4ir Okay, I was under the assumption you were talking about her very valid points about society. She is generalising men as a whole which of course people should unlearn to do because of course not all man. But its like this devil circle or some shit, women will say all man from the statistics of how man are more likely to abuse, murder, grape etc than women. And do you understand their point of view? And then those men who are insecure about their masculinity hearing all man and stuff about generalising them was pushed through those phase of andrew tate podcast that women are lesser and etc, validating their feelings in the wrongest way possible, then they feel that feel that they have more power than women and became more violent against women, making women's belief about them more in place and that it is true that all man are like that and it goes over and over.

Eh? That’s him wanting less incels & toxic Andrew Tate types in the world. Even DrK would agree with what he’s saying.

I mean it's obviously a joke

​@@brandon14125Bruh, statements on the internet are never taken as a joke unless you end it with a jk or a /s. Sarcasm doesn't communicate well via text mediums.

I don't think he's pandering only to incels, 80% of boys are miso" .gynistic. and he wants that market, like the rest of popular boy streamers