this is so true

Wow! 💎 💎 💎

That is profound!!!!! Thank you!!!

@T Z Parents ARE the village..

@T Z It's a metaphor, for many people their village is their parents.

right everything bad that can happen to a woman happened to Aileen when she was just a girl

Omg. Just awful. What a beautiful way to humanize her and put women in her shoes after giving birth.

tf? wow I can't even imagine @ 14 Jesus...poor woman

Bull Shit. Any girl 'engaging in sex acts' in high school for cigarettes gets no sympathy from me.

She had a horrendous start to her life, heartbreaking.

I agree but it doesn't excuse her horrific actions. Similar story to many crimes including the mass school shootings which are a multi variant issue. One of the main issue is called "the boy problem". There's a great eye opening Ted talk called "a sobering look at our boys". Its a must watch, we need serious societal changes which can only come with public/social dialogue.

It breaks my heart. I see energy fields and hers was created under hardship and hate from her immediate family. She was a school yard scrapper so when she fought back and defended herself it made things even worse: I know the area in Michigan where her mom and other Finlanders came over and settled. A harsh and cruel environment. Poor Aileen was a victim and the trauma broke her spirit. She was fighting for her life every single day until the trauma won. She is in a much better place and I cry for her too. RIP

She sent a lot of men to hell.

I know how you feel, I felt bad for what happened to bundy.

@@davidortiz2026 You're not a Christian, are you?

True

Actually she had a long time girlfriend that she confided in

@@MentokTheMindTaker actually that girlfriend turned on her and testified against her

@@shanaurban3319 Yeah because she was a serial killer.....but they were good friends. So obviously she did have people she could trust in until she became a monster

Actually she had a girlfriend so why are you being overly sensational and telling a flat out lie?

Sadly, I agree.

RoxiRoxi Me it really is and I think there’s a systematic problem in that the grandfather who abused her, should have been arrested before Aileen could be twisted up to do what she did

I have a very deep and heartfelt compassion for the little Aileen. Sweet little wee one never had a chance. Truth. 😢💙

I agree. She needed help not executed.

she had a chance NOT A GREAT CHANCE but alot of people who had a shit load of bad circumstances duped on theM have led good lives and been good people IN FACT I WOULD SAY MOST PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD A LOAD OF SHIT DUMPED ON THEM. HAVE TRANSCENDED THE TRAGEDY OF THEIR LIVES alot of people on the lowest fringe of the world are true heros they will never be recognised as such, but most of them are heroic

We're suppose to feel sorry for a serial killer? If she was a man nobody would feel sorru for her. Double standards

it saddens me so much for what this woman went through starting in childhood into her later years. She turned into the monster that she became because of it. No one deserves to go through what she went through, breaks me 😞

this exactly what i was going to say, but you said it for me, god bless

One of Canada's most evil serial killer was raped brutally multiple times. He was also raped in his foster home . Most serial killers were victims of child rape. I guess society is equally responsible for creating serial killers

If you wanted to raise a serial killer I don't know how you could have done a better job.

In addition, strong ppl are BORN, NOT created by hardship. The strong survive & adapt new strategies for living. Weak ppl are damaged & do not heal. Weak ppl do not have the strength or grit or ability to prevail. The saying "steel that's been thru fire is stronger" gets it wrong... Steel is already strong. Fire may harden it but compare to aluminum foil in fire... Still a metal but NOT strong. Simply crisps up & burns in fire.

she may have been murdering men long before she got caught as she was hitching from state to state for years

I agree but it doesn't excuse her horrific actions. Similar story to many crimes including the mass school shootings which are a multi variant issue. One of the main issue is called "the boy problem". There's a great eye opening Ted talk called "a sobering look at our boys". Its a must watch, we need serious societal changes which can only come with public/social dialogue.

@@AndyPanda3 absolutely true. I have first hand experience all the way to the end.😔

I'd say there are a lot of negative experiences we can live through and come out stronger, but I think there are very few people who would claim that "abuse" and "trauma" in particular would fall into that category. It's more that many people justify things that should reasonably be described by these words because they don't see them as such, and downplay them in their mind. Bullying is probably one such topic where many people think that you can grow from it because they don't really understand what it does to the individual.

not really.....especially when you watch her live...check out some vids....

Yes I feel for her, too. She`s been cheated and betrayed on her whole life. By everyone.

@@fredajordan5704 so have many others, yet they didn't kill, nor did they get your empathy............

I think it's ok to have basic human empathy but still condemn the criminal behavior. I feel sorry for the poor abused little girl who never had a chance at a normal life. I feel sorry for her like I would feel sorry for a vicious animal that needs to be put down. Watching her interviews, her mannerisms, her delusions, and her mood swings, you can tell she is clearly unwell. Psychologically, there is more to her than simply being evil and choosing to kill. Regardless, she did kill those men, she was caught, and the death penalty was suitable yet compassionate--she was put out of her misery like a rabid dog.

@@mr.andmrs.adorable2033 lots of people arnt loved and dont murder innocents

She belonged never born. Her mother was the first criminal. She brought her pregnancy to full term and then abandoned her poor little toddler...Aileen.

234gp79h;w gwoRF124 - how do you know?

234gp79h;w gwoRF124 - lots of people do such horrible things that are never caught and they DID grow up with love. You’ve just never seen it nor read about it. I have!

Her story has always saddened me, no one there for her to love and protect her as a child. No wonder she turned out the way she did; like a trapped animal lashing out just trying to survive. If I ever wanted to have some one to RIP it is Aileen. She suffered enough in this life. 😥I don’t condone murder of course and offer sympathy to the families of her victims.

Yes she was horrifically abused. Her life was tragic. Most male killers were abused in youth too, though.

I saw her biography, and you are right. I grew up in Michigan, and she grew up in northern Michigan. Although she was born in Rochester, I think she grew up in the northern area of the lower-penisula state, not sure. One story that I remember is when her mom would get upset with her, her mom (or someone in the family) would push her out of the house during the winter time, and Aileen would have to find a place to sleep out in the cold during the night. I don't excuse her crimes, but she was treated horribly as a child and it is sad.

yes, tragic.

@David Vazquez No one said it did. But she was made into a killer by the cruel treatment she suffered as a child and there is nothing wrong with feeling sadness about her upbringing.

David Vazquez It doesn’t excuse her crimes but it explains why they happened. To be completely unsympathetic is pretty heartless, in all honesty. You imagine a puppy growing up in a cage. All it ever knows of other people is them poking sticks at it, starving it, leaving it in the cold. That innocent puppy grows up to be a rabid dog, because it is trained by society that everyone else is not to be trusted. It gets a skewed perspective on the world that it must remain on the defence. Aileen is a byproduct of her environment, it was somewhat inevitable that she ended up doing what she did. It’s like it was programmed into her. In all honesty, she’s just a pawn in a game. For you to not see that is more than naive to me.

I feel for you.

I agree but it doesn't excuse her horrific actions. Similar story to many crimes including the mass school shootings which are a multi variant issue. One of the main issue is called "the boy problem". There's a great eye opening Ted talk called "a sobering look at our boys". Its a must watch, we need serious societal changes which can only come with public/social dialogue.

Same here… 20 years later and they are all still there. The potency of there effects do decrease but they are NEVER gone.

@@cjkitty2360 no one excused anything, she just said she “feels for this woman”. We can feel empathy for someone without excusing or denying responsibility for said actions.

yes time helps

She needed to have unconditional love in a normal upbringing! Wow some human beings are scum. And the people who bullied her 😒 hope you suffer now. American justice system failed her she was correct about that! A system ran by men! x

Would you say the same about henry lee lucas?

@@ShellC888 Her story is no different that that of a vast number of male serial killers. They all were psychopaths deprived of the all important nurturing children need to develop normally.

@@yawn1887 No, since it's a woman's experience we're talking about here.

@@markandresen1 whoaa! Are you being sexist?

I've wondered this too! Sad state of affairs..

I actually feel sympathy to this day for her I know she was insane and probably not likely to be rehabilitated but she really was dealt a shit hand and yes I believe the first victim was questionable if he was truly a victim or if he wasn’t trying to kill her Another thing ppl can’t fathom is that sex workers are bery often raped or otherwise sexually assaulted they r extremely vulnerable fringe members of society and predatory men purposely choose these women to abuse

I concur with your summation. It's very likely that Aileen Wuornos was suffering C-PTSD due to all the years of abuse. I think she likely did shoot the first man in self-defense based upon his history of violence but she was focused upon trying to support her lover at this time so monetary gain became her focus for killing, especially as she had a history of being impulsive and frivolous with money. What's concerning to me is why her history of trauma was suppressed during the trials .

@@Adara007 You have a talent for writing my friend. Great post!

@@chi-chi6354 In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with feeling compassion for a person, without excusing their actions. This woman needed more compassion in her life, its quite possible if she had more caring people in her life, she might have traveled down a different path.

❤️god bless you

I’m 58 years old and still struggle due to the trauma I endured when I was a child. Mother was a narcissist and my father was a violent alcoholic who beat her regularly. I’ve had no contact with my family for 25 years but I’m still awfully messed up. I haven’t been in a relationship for 16 years because I can’t deal with them. 6 weeks ago I had a major mental breakdown and had to double my meds and go back to therapy yet again. I have had to accept that I will never be ok and that breaks my heart 💔

Therapy may help...I'm looking for one

you're not alone...dbt cbd edibles and meds help and avoid street drugs...life gets manageable...child abuse is a tragedy

@@babayaga489 I'm the same way...i avoid relationships but there are still activity feriends adventures & other things...make the most out of life, go to Nami, Meetups, and don't isolate. Start hanging out in supermarkets sit down...and that will improve mental health...we are social creatures...hinduism heleps..attachmenet is suffering...never give up my dear on happiness..self love I finally understand comes from doing your best...tony robbins...inspirational literature

That's horribly depressing. Using her old childhood fort to fight very real dangers no teen should have to fear.

@@ToyotaGuy1971 I don't understand your comment. At least I hope I don't. Who are "these people"? Gay people before prison? She fits in all of these: People who are molested.. Beginning of her life. Raped.. Various stages at least once mid life.. or people who suffer delusions.. End of her life she thought people were poisoning her food. Which group of people? I really hope your not saying gay people are maladjusted!

@@ToyotaGuy1971 There's just no room for people who are filled with that much hate and fear. She didn't murder people because she was gay. Man, maybe you need to stick around. Get as much mental health as you can. That was not this doctors point at all!!

@@ToyotaGuy1971 you are very misguided and hateful. I hope you dont consider yourself a Christian! I suspect you are probably gay yourself and dont have the courage to come out. This has made you bitter.

She was doomed 😳🙁

no shit

And sadly this is when monsters think it’s the perfect time to take advantage.

@@BlacPhoenix yep and children are still treated like second class citizens in lots of places.

@Rick Vis But sometimes the people deciding for them aren't as well.

Still in the US. Children are still considered secondary to their parents needs. If the parents are unable to come together in an amicable way via divorce, the childs time will be devied up like a piece of meat till both parents are satisfied.

That was my takeaway too.

Ya, it was so unfair 😢

It made me quite sad both when I watched documentaries about her and, of course, the film "Monster" despite the way it's been criticised for allegedly creating strong mitigating circumstances for her murders of the seven men. The fact her traumatic past was suppressed during court proceedings yet other details of her violence and other criminal history were deliberately introduced makes me think that the legal system was determined to ensure she received the death penalty and was regarded purely as a psychopathic serial killer lacking remorse, morals, and a 'base criminal'. When one considers the extreme physical, sexual and emotional abuse she endured from her earliest years, one has to recognise that this created serious issues for her as she grew older. We know from many studies, such as those in the 1950s with young orphans and also monkeys, that when children are deprived of physically nurturing contact that children grow up with depressed immune systems, higher cortisol or stress levels, long-lasting cognitive delay, and increased aggression plus low impulse-control. And we see these in Aileen as she grew older, as well as what I think was a severe case of C-PTSD. NPD, as Dr. Grande mentions, is also likely a factor for her due to the way she was treated by her family members. Her case is one that could and should have been prevented and there's the sense that if others had intervened when she was young, and she had a support network, that things would've turned out quite differently for her. As it stands, her case is a heartbreaking one.

Everyone failed those 7 men u mean.

How come we NEVER have this sympathy for male killers with the same background?

I agree but it doesn't excuse her horrific actions. Similar story to many crimes including the mass school shootings which are a multi variant issue. One of the main issue is called "the boy problem". There's a great eye opening Ted talk called "a sobering look at our boys". Its a must watch, we need serious societal changes which can only come with public/social dialogue.

@wulfgar3000 each of us deserve to have our basic human needs met.

I notice nobody ever says that about Manson, who was abused just as much, if not worse, having been pimped by his mom. It seems like a double standard and that murder to her victims gets downplayed.

@@NoReligion77 Manson, too did not, have his basic needs met.

@@resilientangel5915 they were failed but ultimately they were both chaotic evil 5th level serial killers and not sympathetic later in life.

@@NoReligion77 Empathy is learned. How can that happen when a person has never experienced it ?

@@nicoles7800 you are fortunate to be in a country that takes mental health seriously, not like that in Canada, all though I have noticed if you are female, young and pretty the male psychiatrists take a much grater interest in them, Strange how that works out

@Adam Efimoff you are indeed fortunate to have caring parents, you probably wouldn't have turned out like Eileen but it's admirable that you have empathy for her.

Janaka.... I am so sorry this life has bin so terrible to you....you did not deserve this....i am so sorry for your suffering.....i am happy that your dr was able to help you....my heart goes out to you i send you my heart felt love n compaction....may your life be blessed.....

I too was sexually abused as a child. And went through years of therapy . It's very hard work I thank God for my Therapist.

Janaka, I'm so glad you are experiencing healing. So sorry you have had to endure complex PTSD..

I agree but it doesn't excuse her horrific actions. Similar story to many crimes including the mass school shootings which are a multi variant issue. One of the main issue is called "the boy problem". There's a great eye opening Ted talk called "a sobering look at our boys". Its a must watch, we need serious societal changes which can only come with public/social dialogue.

so in high school, she HAD to give BJs for cigarettes? Please explain...I'm listening....

It's like all hell n evil was unleashed on her and she humanly combusted n unleashed all hell n evil onto others ..like the people that humanly combust n catch on fire ......it's like it took over her n she was overflowing n it had no where to go but OUT ...she just exploded like a nuclear bomb ! Her victims were consumed by the FALLOUT ...some at ground ZERO ..some farther away from the blast ...some disintegrated ..some left to suffer in the waste of it all .

We can view every criminal like this and most people. She's still a horrible person for murdering all those men. Do you think her abusers weren't abused? Where does the buck end, and we as adults take responsibility?

This!!

@@MmmKayHuuNay -- She was not born a horrible infant. Her horrible actions as an adult reflect a horrible society made up of horrible adults who still refuse to take responsibility. It's just so much easier to call toddlers evil when they won't do what they're told because they instinctively see through our superficial pretenses. Where does the buck end? It ends with us, with You! And don't worry, you don't have to be perfect or better than your neighbor, you don't even have to pretend. All you have to do is not be horrible! :-)

Yup. We're used to hearing these types of stories in Russia or third world countries, not in the US.

@@jackdavidsen6074 I think the harsh sentence she received, despite extenuating circumstances, shows the misogyny that is still lingering in our society.

Yea I've never felt sympathy for a serial killer until her. All she knew was pain and that's all she could give. Her mother was clearly damaged. Probably by her father. I don't understand anything anymore. Everything is just so sad.

That's frightening that you've never experienced either high levels of compassion or high levels of understanding from other mental health professionals. What treatment community is that?

@@SoulDelSol It’s the US mental health system. I’ve been a patient since I was 13. It’s horrible & there’s no compassion whatsoever. I even showed up for an appointment with a psychiatrist one time & she had quit that practice without telling her patients; empty building & everything. It’s ridiculous.

many male serial killers have just as terrible if not worse childhoods yet get no level of sympathy like this....ridiculous she's a fucking psychopathy criminal.

Analytical and compassionate, the traits of a good psychological healthcare worker.

compassionate like your nose ring.

No one chooses to be a monster. Especially "personnal" serial killer.

She had reasons to hate men? No, she had reasons to hate specific people. Hating men is an illogical extrapolation that you shouldn’t justify. Nobody chooses what they are. If she is excused, so are her rapists. If they are guilty and deserving of punishment, so is she.

@@seanmatthewking no, because killing your rapist and raping someone or not the same thing. The rapist is targeting the innocent. And you know damn well she did not mean literally all men. And even if that happened what she meant, it’s the fault of those men who keep insisting to women that that’s just male nature, every man is like that, blah blah blah. Then you get mad at women when we don’t know that that isn’t true

there have been worse, sadly.

Jessica Stern, where did you read that story about Aileen getting kicked out of her own party? I can't imagine what that would feel like.

Remember that Aileen was a fabulator, making up stories one after another, that would often contradict each other 180 degrees. Absolutely nothing she said can be taken at face value, unfortunately.

I never heard that! So sad!

Yeah. She made up alot of stories. Idk if this happened or not..

Veracity is questionable

Hundreds of thousands, but most don't kill.

@@informitas0117 exactly

Well, LOTS of little girls have no interest in playing with dolls, dreaming of singing and dancing (seriously? you think most girls "dream" about this? LOL), or playing dress up. Some like science or active outdoor play. I was a tomboy & I NEVER played dress up with friends! But the point is not what she might have done as a child; it was that she never HAD a childhood. There never seemed to be a time when she could feel secure and safe to play at all! That's why you & I & many others think that she didn't stand a chance at a happy life. I wish people would be responsible and not have children if they are not going to provide the emotional & material support children need to become healthy adults. So many people just have children by default. I like the way you said it: They may not have pulled the trigger, but they loaded the gun. I thank God I did not have to live her life. She'll get no condemnation from me.

Seriously, no I don't think all girls dream of that. However, they should have the opportunity to dream whatever they want.

I think it shows the importance of getting help when you're younger. By the time I Alene was arrested for this she was damaged beyond repair. I feel sorry for the child she was but the adult she became was scary and unfortunately I think beyond repair.

Yes, Beth Thomas.

I've seen 'Child of rage'..It was one of the saddest things I've ever seen,this pretty little girl with big blue eyes,recounting the violent and grisly thoughts and actions that she wanted to,and did perpetrate,it was quite chilling,thankfully her adoptive parents were loving and caring individuals,who managed to get her the help she so badly needed,my heart ached for her,after she received intensive therapy,she became upset with remorse when recounting the death of the baby birds,and hurting her little brother,that's when I knew she had a chance of happiness,of being able to give as well as receive love,it was a very emotional education.

@@jenniferpower981 the important thing is Beth is doing well now.

@@MsChappy77 It warms my heart to hear that..It's what I had hoped for her,to find some happiness and peace of mind,to be surrounded by people who loved her.❤

True. However, it is possible to escape one's destiny, and end the generational cycle of abuse.

Agree!!!

This woman never had a chance. Tragic.

Her abuse was pretty extensive, consistent and brutal. Mixed with abandonment and poverty. I dont think the average Joe and Jane have these kind of backgrounds. Carl Panzram is another good example, whom Dr. Grande has also covered.

Yes, but clearly didn’t have it as bad as Aileen 😢😢😢😢

While I also agree with his perspective and his analysis, I just wish he could be more descriptive when she got in trouble with the law and not say things like ( she got in trouble with the law this time it was... ) I wish he would describe what was going on to make the law go after her, I think that is more telling in it self

Smartly said . I felt that on my heart too. So , difficult life was that she has🙂

many male serial killers have just as terrible if not worse childhoods yet get no level of sympathy like this....ridiculous she's a fucking psychopathy criminal.

@@Opticlogic, you extra he explained those things.

@@debodatta7398 I agree with you.

Kybele Kordax yeah she was so scary but underneath is a person ofc.

I strongly agree about Borderline as she had a lot of abandonment where she was never shown unconditional love. It was conditional on what she did so in turn she did not attach or bond like normal unfortunately. The betrayal of a caregiver as a child really damages this dynamic and provides an arena for lack of empathy as well.

@@sarahendrix3132 Exactly. Unfortunately, whenever Aileen did have someone profess to "love" her, the individual invariably used her longing for intimacy and acceptance to abuse and use her. So, Aileen grew up associating love with pain and betrayal. It's tragic that no one stepped in when she was younger, but people just ignored her plight and her own biological mother abandoned her and her brother, her other relatives physically and sexually abused her - it's possible the first pregnancy she had was due to one of those relatives assaulting her - and I'm not surprised she had C-PTSD (a very understandable response to prolonged abuse and trauma) if not also BPD. The way her once-time lesbian lover, Tyria Moore, who was with her for 4 years - quite a long time for Aileen, only ending when the woman decided to make a plea deal with LE, giving her complete immunity fro any and all prosecution/criminal charges - betrayed Aileen is heartrending and upsetting. The one woman she'd trusted and done her all to financially support, had turned on her in order to apparently avoid any charges of being an accessory to murder and so forth. Aileen had considered Moore to be her wife in all but name, and did everything to provide for her. And after pointing at her in court, she never once looked at the woman, Aileen, who had literally put her life on the line to give this woman a lifestyle shed never have had otherwise. Yet this woman knew exactly what Aileen was doing to get the funds to keep her in 'high style' and she was quite content to sit back and leave all the risks to Aileen - the risk of STDs, the risk of being raped, assaulted, robbed and abused, as is common for anyone working the streets, highways etc. the way Aileen was. The way the ex-lover claimed she knew nothing about the murders was complete lies but LE were so focused on getting Aileen behind bars with the death penalty that they didn't care how unjust the so-called 'justice system' worked in this case. Moore definitely knew about the 1989 murder of Richard Mallory, the man Aileen alleged had raped her. These days this woman, Tyria Moore, lives with a new wife in Pennsylvania. It's a sickening betrayal by Tyria and the way she ruthlessly went about the deal with LE then moved onto another woman shows she's a cold, remorseless individual who, I think, was happy to use Aileen as long as she could. It's just a very sad history of betrayals which Aileen endured throughout her entire life from the time she was a toddler and by those supposed to care for her, and one thinks - if only....

I believe her upbringing was suppressed by the courts because she was made an example to others because she was female.

Opposite how many would of been who did have someone step in somewhere.

I agree. He has the most calming and soothing voice.

I'm not the only one so!

Same here!

Ikr? Lol!

Me too!!! My husband thinks I'm nuts because of the topic, but the context and analysis is really the story.

No one ever liked her though. She was an inherently bad person.

@@justinstrong9595 or people are just judgmental c*nts. Most people can’t think for themselves. They just follow the crowd. So, especially in school of most people don’t like someone for whatever reason, usually ridiculous, others won’t. You didn’t know her. She obviously was going through things and no one seems to have taken the time to understand that.

That's the dilemma about Aileen Wuornos...,sure, at 1st you can take her as an abused child..., but make no mistake, she was diagnosed as a psychopathic killer who lured, murdered, & robbed her victims. Society must believe that it is fair & just to help those who have suffered dysfunctionality in their lives.

@@justinstrong9595 was her grandfather beating her daily as a child bdsm style with a belt then making her clean it because she was a ‘bad person’? Get real

There may have been people somewhere along the way that wanted to love her and care for her, but at some point she became unlovable. She developed a very hard shell through no fault of her own. Her whole life was a long string of tragic horrible events.

Well said! I like to think that "L" is for learning, my goodness do I learn plenty from the Doctor.💯🤔 I've always liked psychology even when I was like 9y/o, I would get books from the library about Sigmund Freud & magazines like Psychology today.🤔 Yeah, I'm kind of Geeky.🙂 And I really do have empathy for Aileen, just think growing-up everywhere you turn, you always see the worst part of life.😑💔😢

I agree, how can she give what she has never felt, seen, experienced? It's stupid for normal people who had the privilege of being born into good families to understand someone who was raised like a feral child and abused? She didn't even care when they executed her, she was ready to go...had enough.

@@Fefe559 Stupid, smug and incredibly presumptuous. Glad that there is a voice of reason in this comment section, thanks.

Yet if this was a male doing the same crimes there would be no such sympathy.

@@PeterGregoryKelly if that is me you're talking about then you are simply making an assumption.

She tried to implode first...she deliberately shot herself in the stomach in an unsuccessful suicide bid. It's such a horrific life story.

GREAT comment

Society doesn’t like anger in women. Even in the face of mass of maltreatment. I think this is part of why she got the death penalty.

@JRR smokin what did a dear dad do with a prostitute, why wasn't he with his kids

@@echase416 society is more understanding when it comes to anger in women than men. Evidence: read the comments

Sad yes, but most rape victims don’t do evil shit like she did, especially killing 7 innocent men.

What happened to her 7 victims is more deplorable

The women in her life were just as bad.

Wendy Mcreynollds acknowledgments of the profound impact of trauma quite often would come with taking a good long and hard look in the mirror and how quite often people are made to be that way!

We ask these questions of female offenders but it is considered insensitive to the family of the victim to ask such question of male offenders. Interesting.

Peter Keller, its a fact that both male and female serial killers suffered abuse. It makes you think.

Much of her symptoms seem to have been a Survival Mechanism as well. She had a LOT against her, during her entire lifespan. Survival sex at age 11 for food? Whoa.

Her lawyer and adopted mother were the most horrible cretins on earth and Aileen probably wouldn't have received death if it weren't for them.

Everyone is made a monster.

I notice nobody ever says that about Manson, who was abused just as much. Wouldn't she count as horrific if she murdered 7 people?

I think she had a chance, but that chance was slim.

Horrific like her.

@@NoReligion77 The cognitive dissonance in these people is mind boggling.

this is the reality for the majority of them, it's like they were always going to turn out the way they did. fucking sad

Oops.. almost wrote a book on this one... sorry for being a page hog (lol) ✌🏻

@@serendipitous_synchronicity No worries. I do it all the time to be understood. You were understood. 👍

@@BeingLifted Thank you. Made that one, a tad personal.. a name change, helped. 😊

@@serendipitous_synchronicity I know that feeling about the name. There was a time I trusted people unless or until I found out I couldn't. I thought it was a wise way to live because we all have so much to learn from each other. A nice theory; unwise in practice. Thank you for sharing. Truly glad you're okay. Hugs and blessings sent.

@@BeingLifted Thank you, for sharing that Jane! You are so very right! Self preservation, is key.. well at least that's what I am aiming for now. 😊

many male serial killers have just as terrible if not worse childhoods yet get no level of sympathy like this....ridiculous she's a fucking psychopathy criminal.

I think the deep sense of betrayal that must follow finding out that you've been lied to all your life must add to the destabilisation of personality in these cases.

@@sopyleecrypt6899 yathink! Of course it does.

butch monster ~> So was the actor Jack Nicholson ;~) “Here’s Johnny!” ~as ad-libbed by Mr. Nicholson, during a seminal horror-scene, in Kubrick’s “The Shining”.

PoM MoM is there a need for an aggressive answer?

@@sopyleecrypt6899 my bad I was just agreeing with you

@@goofybutserious4807 sympathy does not mean one excuses the crimes someone committed. I could not and would not condone any of her actions; that could have be one of my family members she killed. I'd take her out myself if the court didn't. However, given how often women are sexually abused, it shouldn't come as a surprise that her case is upsetting to those who have been sexually abused. It's a tragedy all around, not just for the victims. Most every killer was a scared little boy or girl at one point, and when we find people that have went through similar trauma at a young age, it is jolting. I'd love to take out my abuser, but his crimes do not apply to the rest of men. That's what makes this case frightening, she overstepped the line from revenge to savage. It's a line that mental unwellness can blur. Frankly, if she was a man, I'd still feel bad for her. It's not that she's a woman, it's the trauma she endured. This case is just shitty for everyone involved. She still deserved a death sentence, though.

I agree but it doesn't excuse her horrific actions. Similar story to many crimes including the mass school shootings which are a multi variant issue. One of the main issue is called "the boy problem". There's a great eye opening Ted talk called "a sobering look at our boys". Its a must watch, we need serious societal changes which can only come with public/social dialogue.

Disagree. Sex work clarifies your view of males. You realize what they really are, at least on the whole. Women who know what men are - like Eileen Wuornos- have to be painted as “insane“

@@PhoenicianPrincess88 you’re agreeing with a woman who murdered 7 people. Seek help

@@chazstones7424 I didn’t agree with the murders. Don’t read into what I said.

True.😢 I also have sympathy for the victims.🌹😞

I literall wrote practically the same thing.

@Kyle Whitehead , I didn't see the movie, but hello? She was the victim for many years ....and when she was an adult , all that abuse was unleashed on others. It would be a miracle for her to turn out any other way. We all pay the price when children are abused.

"Entertainment"???? Really??!!!!! OUCH!!!!! If following along with this kind of thing is 'entertainment' for you, perhaps a few sessions on the couch would be your ultimate trill! And it might not be a bad idea, all in all.

I notice nobody ever says that about Manson, who was abused just as much, if not worse, having been pimped by his mom. It seems like a double standard and that murder to her victims gets downplayed.

@@NoReligion77 I never heard that

I never heard that about Manson.

I doubt he knows that he is aileens son

Hopefully nobody ever tells that child who his birth mother is. That information would screw u up.

The child was a result of a rape Aileen suffered at only 13 years old.

I absolutely agree. No one but Aileen lived through the horrific Childhood and Adolescence she did. I'm not surprised at all she became what she became. And Yes! People are in total denial that under the Right circumstances, Humans are Capable of Anything!

your comment reminds me of The Crunch - Poem by Charles Bukowski too much too little too fat too thin or nobody. laughter or tears haters lovers strangers with faces like the backs of thumb tacks armies running through streets of blood waving winebottles bayoneting and fucking virgins. an old guy in a cheap room with a photograph of M. Monroe. there is a loneliness in this world so great that you can see it in the slow movement of the hands of a clock people so tired mutilated either by love or no love. people just are not good to each other one on one. the rich are not good to the rich the poor are not good to the poor. we are afraid. our educational system tells us that we can all be big-ass winners it hasn't told us about the gutters or the suicides. or the terror of one person aching in one place alone untouched unspoken to watering a plant. people are not good to each other. people are not good to each other. people are not good to each other. I suppose they never will be. I don't ask them to be. but sometimes I think about it. the beads will swing the clouds will cloud and the killer will behead the child like taking a bite out of an ice cream cone. too much too little too fat too thin or nobody more haters than lovers. people are not good to each other. perhaps if they were our deaths would not be so sad. meanwhile I look at young girls stems flowers of chance. there must be a way. surely there must be a way that we have not yet though of. who put this brain inside of me? it cries it demands it says that there is a chance. it will not say "no." Charles Bukowski

You have to blame her, she chose to kill innocent people. That's never the right thing to do. Dogs can't understand like people can. And even a dog won't bite unless it feels threatened.

I think we can blame her in the same we would blame a male offender from an abusive background who becomes a serial killer. Indeed, anyone who mentions exonerating circumstances in the case of male serial killers people who look for exonerating circumstances are called out as being "insensitive to the families of the victims". I happen to be old fashion enough to believe in equality of all before the law.

@@PeterGregoryKelly I feel terrible for anyone who went through severe abuse. I think there's a lot of abuse around too. But regardless of the cause, we can't allow killers to run loose. We have to protect ourselves. I don't know the answers. It'd be nice to give them a compassionate place to live and maybe they could be happy, but for a million reasons, that's a fantasy.

I agree that she should not have been given the death penalty. It's telling, though, that she didn't want to continue to appeal her case. I think she just wanted her psychological pain to end. So it seems more like an assisted suicide. She was abused and abandoned by family, but the justice system also failed her by not getting her the mental health care she needed during and after her previous incarceration.

I know, right? I'm more of a sad, constantly crying, passive BPD sufferer but I can go off and shout at people. I know that I would never attack and hurt people though, whatever people think borderline doesn't automatically make you bad or unloving person.

You are amazing. You may have watered the wrong seed in your garden but you are pulling up the weeds and looking forward to the blooms of summer. Stand in front of the mirror and 😊 smile.

This is for the writer above.

I have some friends that have BPD, and they are amazing ppl, tho they struggle. Not all of BPD folks are like this. And. Honestly, it has more to do with what trails are expressed and what other co-occurring disorders are going on too.

I feel for you! It must be difficult! I am codependant and lovve addict had a relationship with Borderline guy. So traumatizing... now not into relationships at all.. Im healing and wanting to be stable and healthy

Indeed