wtf is wrong with humans???

Human depravity is real , that’s why it cost Christ his life to pay for us, because we’re ALL way worse than we can see. We’re blind to ourselves

Partly alcohol.

I’ve met scum like this. Upon seeing her pictures I could immediately tell it was caused by her roommate, Laurie has a look of permanent contempt on her face.

@@hangryturtle9006 Humans are born to be empathetic and kind but bad parents can create monsters - that's what is usually is, not always.

Thank you for sharing this. Your comment reveals just how absolutely horrific this crime really was.

Good for you 🎉

Congrats! I think we've all had a hard lesson or 2 to learn ourselves!

Nice story but what does that have to do with this video?

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​@brainwithani5693 Ummm, "Shame" was literally in the TITLE and the closing theme.

Yes! I don't think I have EVER seen, read or heard anything like this before and I watch True Crime on YT, Netflix and other places, read books every day and listen to True Crime podcasts when falling asleep. No one keeps a secret like these people have. They are an exception to the old saying, "Three may keep a secret if two of them are dead."

@@andreabenningtonhappens all the time you must not listen to as much true crime as you say lmfao

Even by chance such clusters happen. Shake a jar of M&Ms or Smarties and you will see clusters form of particular colours. This phenomenon happens even more readily with humans where people choose their own company and can also influence each other.

@@just-a-fella3212 I have a high IQ yet I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around what it is your trying to explain. Please enlighten me.

Well, 1. There was alcohol (and more?) involved and there was *technically* only one killer. So, while many in this group of conspirators were very malicious, it's hard to say how many were actually homicidal. 2. Subcultures form where everyone in the group gets dragged down and responsibility is diffused. Clearly, a very toxic subculture was formed within these security guards where they felt some kind of social immunity with each other. With scum-bag ring leaders (like Carl) running the show, nobody with high moral standards would stick around. 3. This happened during a strike and the guards were only "passing by", which further added to the sense of there being no long term consequences.

Don't think of modern day security guards here. 80 is an army. They are a goon squad hired by the chemical company to break the strike.

@@GODDESS1966which part? First they remark that in “random” bags of candy you may often see an uneven ratio, like triple the brown m&m than of blue. The second just means it’s like that but even more likely when people associate w others who are like them. So not that out of the realm that out of 85 guards, the 3 who participated were all ok with murder. They were somewhat alike.. birds of a feather flock together.

No good to pray for her soul. Once to die, then judgement. She's already in Heaven or Hell. If she was born again, she's in Heaven.

I have street smarts and have came close to sadistic people was just enough to outsmart these kind of half wits .. poor girl 😢.. I could have a been a victim..but escaped people like this a couple times..

@@melissadavis225 So glad you did - just can't teach street smarts though.

@@jc9716 Thank you - well, it did my heart and soul good to pray for her anyway

​​@@dlc5166ell that's the thing...parents need to try their best to do so...or allow the kids to pick up these skills. My mom was a strict religious person....and being holier than thou was her obssession...that upbringing has ruined the lives of me and my brother in many ways...so many ways....😢

Yes ..she started the whole thing

Yes I don't think murderers or torturers should be allowed back out, mainly for the safety of other people, not necessarily punishment. Why does this happen so often??

@@anarcho-communist11 civilians aka future victims of crime marching for criminal justice reform😆😆😆

Laurie Skank

Agreed

Exactly. I believe karma will be especially creative for the ones that committed this atrocious act.

​@@Sleepparalysisdemon2"karma"... no such thing. That's why we need vigilantes

Hmm vigilantes, yes, definitely the types of people who are ideally placed to consider things in a balanced and appropriate way, definitely not motivated by drives to commit their own acts of violence. So what is the manner in which such people are vetted and deemed fit? Oh, that’s right.

@@mgaeeeee9150 It won't be long till AI is solving crimes, ALL crimes ever committed. Criminals be warned.

I’ll never understand this woman hate woman myself. We should be lifting each other up, not tearing each other apart.

Wonder if it was a happy fairytale ending for her jealous trashcan roommate, Lori? Did she get her man? Prob not - cuz she's garbage, and young Janet wasn't the problem.

Nor I.

Here's the story I read: Laurie Swank was Janet's boss and Janet is reported to have slept with Laurie's BF, the head security guy, so it was a set up to teach Janet a lesson, basically revenge.

Women are just as capable of harming other women as any man would. Don't ever allow cognitive biases to distort your thinking.

And worst yet, people in the security field, giving people a false sense of security.

It's terrible but I wouldn't even put it in the top 10 of the worst cases ive ever heard of.

I also wondered if her friend exaggerated the number of men she was dating ? And if not , how horrifying that was for the group of men , including ones she had been intimate with , to gang up and attack her. Her last moments were not met with anyone to protect her.

"The more one comes to know men, the more one comes to admire the dog,"

​@@patricesmith3889I think she did to appease to the men. Some women are desperate enough to throw other women to the beasts.

SO TRUE. I'VE DONE UNSPEAKABLE EVIL VILE THINGS THAT I CAN'T OUTRUN.

That's if you have one!

You can if you're a true sociopath.

Challenge accepted

@@cybermandan1960psychopath* sociopaths are nurture as opposed to nature (genetics) do they most definitely feel empathy and guilt just like the rest of us

What's a horrifying jess?

It’s when a really ill tempered and scary-ugly person named Jess ends your life.

Death. Auto correct

They deserved life long jail time

I hope my Jess is painless when she happens

Why is it so important for you that she had or had not sex with them? All those men enjoyed casual sex. Was it a big problem that Janet did the same thing? I don’t think so. Victim does not have to be a virgin

I think you and Janet have the same problem. Extreme conservative upbringing by parents.

@@talkingthetalk3640 nope, I was raised liberal, what Jesus Christ did for me and reading God’s Word changed my life. And I know first hand how much sexually immoral people can’t stand God’s people, especially when we’re remaining sexually pure. The spirit in them HATES the spirit in us.

@NatBKiev @talkingthetalk3640 A lot of assumptions and accusations in the replies just for someone questioning whether or not she even had sex with all those guys--fair question, she likely did but also people will make up extreme things to justify their twisted actions. Why does this person asking that question automatically means they were raised on extreme conservative values? You don't know this random commenter, so where does that come from? Also, "why is it so important for you that she didn't have sex?" You act like they went on and on and insisted there was no way she could have. They didn't say that, they just said they wouldn't be surprised if she didn't and these sickos made it up. Nobody said victim=virgin. You're jumping to say "don't victim-blame," basically, when that isn't what they were doing.

You're right about his lying, but I must object to the part where you implied he believes his own lies due to "rewriting over the years". I consider that "some liars convince themselves their own lies" stuff to be non-falsifiable at best, and pop psychology pap that ignores any reason to find that claim unconvincing at its worst.

Sounds similar to the killing of that couple in Knoxville.

​@@mjanny6330 Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom? I think I saw something about them recently. It made me physically sick

I'm surprised your comment exists. KZfaq must have skipped over it.

The details are gruesome for sure. I just can't believe not one person stepped out to call police. And the roommate/friend was a B . I just can't fathom joining in the torture of a animal let alone another human being. She was not an angel but she didn't deserve that horrible attack. I believe she was making up for many experiences she missed out on. Albeit too much too quickly. But i don't blame her it was probably exciting all around.

Why am I not surprised that Lori was the “most effective witness?” The gossip who started the whole plot! I don’t trust her word, either!

Never give the government power to kill citizens, no matter how much those people deserve it. For one, it can be used to remove "problems", but more importantly it the fact that you become serial murderer. 190 people on death row where released due to new findings. How many have been executed that where not guilty? Only 1 is enough to make those that support it a murderer, so that's not odds I can accept. Don't get me wrong, I am not against people getting killed when they have done certain acts, but I will never trust a government to get anything completely right, and on this topic they need to be VERY right.

If you understand the scientific theory of free will, you will understand why most states in the USA and most places around the world have abolished it (capital punishment).

I don’t want to live on the same planet with them.

you were living in the same community as these guys?

What about ppl who were incorrectly incarcerated..... You'd be murdering an innocent.

A lot of it has to do with how women and women's sexuality was regarded, and still is to a large extent, in the 70's in conservative communities. Janice Chandler was having casual sex with multiple men, who all lived and worked together, many of whom had wives and girlfriends. She was sexually aggressive (as suggested by the cowboy boots story). This was interpreted as she was sexually fair game, and would enjoy or she deserved to be punished by a 'gang bang' for breaking the sexual rules for women. Choking is also part of some peoples sexual repertoire, especially people who enjoy violent or "rough sex", both as the aggressor and as the recipient. It was not an intentional homicide. It would be a crime that was hard for Chandler to report since the details of her behavior would become public, and this would make her feel more ashamed and she would likely experience further ostracism from her community. It would have been hard to convince a jury, let alone the local police department that she had been an unwilling participant.

Did you enjoy Kikkerland?

I find her religion to be irrelevant.

Think not. The restrictions made her vulnerable for the dangers in the real world.

@@eden_aumakuait’s not the religion so much as the failure of her parents and other mentors in her life to educate her properly. She was manipulated instead of educated and that can have dire consequences, as we see here.

@@lostandfound5145 religious motivated restrictions can't be untied from religion ;)

I must be pretty jaded these days - I'm disgusted but it didn't shock me.

Don't forget that there a few women there that were involved some married so don't blame just the men

​@@madalfromuk4729Which is even more wild to me as a woman. How could they just let this happen?

Seriously? Have you heard about the group that tortured and killed a young woman (over absolutely nothing) and made her listen to a song that says, “Hi, I’m Chucky. Wanna play?” on repeat for hours a day?

@@Reclaim-the-Rainbow I have no recollection of that, do you remember where it happened?

You mean Sadism?

A lot of terrible things happen to the children of underprotective and average parents too, I hate to say.

Trees grow stronger with strong roots, good soil, regular watering, fertilization, and flexibility with the occasional gusts of wind. We live in a totally depraved world, which children should be prepared for in having a ongoing prayerful relationship with the all-powerful, all-present, and all-knowing Creator God in His 3-in-1 persons of Father, Son, and Spirit. Even when human beings (e.g., parents, children, and spouses) try to be good and have the best intentions, they will let other people down. Lord help us!

Bad parenting is probably the story behind the rapists here as well. The world will change when society takes child rearing more seriously.

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My guess is that Janet's sudden promiscuity was motivated by a heavy dose of rebellious revenge against her parent's oppressiveness.

@@craigfinnegan8534 Genesis 2:25 says, "Adam and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame." But, once you willingly taste of the forbidden fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you have no one to blame except yourself (Genesis 3). Honoring one's parents is a wise thing to do (Exodus 20). However, authoritarian parents, not authoritative parents, may push their children away, once the child is exposed to adolescent peer pressure and cognitive dissonance. Having sex is a very powerful motivator.

When the state has custody of a person, they are that person's guardian. A guardian that would deliberately kill their ward, who is in custody, against the ward's consent .. no. There are very good reasons to not allow the state to murder civilians. Among them: at different times people have been condemned and killed for things that aren't crime now. For example, having politics that are communist. Having sexual orientation that is homosexual. As much as you hate someone for violent murder: don't allow your state to legalise murder. It devalues life. If parents beat their children, you don't expect to get well adjusted children growing up. If a state torture and kills its civilians you don't expect to have a kind and gentle populous.

Are any dead people not at peace?

Lamont covers some disturbing cases. Certainly this is one of them.

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Disagree, my wife when she was younger was very beautiful and had many friends and through her now I have many lifelong friends.

@@spazmonkey3815 that’s a wonderful case but it often doesn’t pan out like that. What she said is true you spend years trying to be a good friend and realize it never worked because of something as petty as womens jealousy. Jealousy is ugly period and if you’re good looking more reason to watch your friends closer.

Unfortunately, patriarchy ultimately plays a major role in toxic dynamics between women. I was fortunate to never feel alone, but if a woman has been conditioned to prioritize make approval above all else. Janet was controlled first by a God the Father, her actual father, and then was taken in by seeking approval from men through sex. The whole situation reeks of misogyny. And as I have said many times, unfortunately some (not most) and of the worst misogynists have *always* been woman. Fortunately, this new generation seems just slightly less tolerant of overt misogyny(at least publicly), thank goodness.

I would say in general women are much more jealous of each other than they are of men or who men hang out with.

Hi, Cathy. Thank you for sharing this info. I remember your daughters case. Thinking good thoughts for you 💞

They all knew each other to be antisocial, had probably a long history of violent and misogynistic banter. Malicious degenerates can identify each other and bond pretty easily.

From what I have read, it took Robert more than a year and 10s of interviews, to admit to the crime. People who were interviewing him remained persistent and kept going back to get him to talk.

So a motel couldn't be shady because your parents stayed there a few times? Why would we believe you when we don't know either you or your parents, but we know there were about a dozen rapists and a few murderers staying there all at the same time? Also, we know that the manager of the motel was a moral bottom feeder. Who are we going to believe - you or the facts?

​@@craigfinnegan8534people that try to debate posts with anecdotal "evidence" trip me out. "It's not true! Because I know one or 2 people that had a different experience. 🤡" Like, it was literally fu*kfest 1979 there, with a bunch of homicidal security guards and blood thirsty women. smh.

@@craigfinnegan8534 The individuals involved in this crime certainly committed horrific acts. But that does not mean the hotel itself was a dangerous or disreputable place, or attracted shady clientele. What is most shocking is that most of the defendants in this case seem to have gone on to live lives within the parameters of civil society. As Dr. Grande suggests, something unique went on within this group to induce such terrible violence. Because my parents stayed there, I spent time there myself, so I have first hand knowledge of what the environment was like as well as having lived in town, where I was aware of the "reputation" of various areas around town. Believe me or not. Calling the hotel disreputable or dangerous is overreaching and perhaps a result of people in Holland trying to distance themselves from the people who committed these crimes and the terrible crime itself, although it did attract some deserved notoriety after the crime along the lines of, "Blue Mill Inn, isn't that the place where the girl that was killed used to work?". What you are saying seems like saying the Ambassador Hotel is a disreputable place because assassinations happen there, or Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas is a dangerous place that attracts shady clientele.

From 1980-1983, I loved the fields of tulips each spring in Holland, MI. I still do. My husband and I used to take our kids there to have fun on the family rides. Tragedy sometimes strikes where you least expect it.

Are you blaming the victim of the gang rape?

@@stephaniewaters1777 no

... is English your second language?

She could have used contraception, or had an abortion. It wasn't a shady place. Working at a "shady place" was not the problem. Becoming involved in an emotionally charged situation involving sexual jealousy was. She was an adult, 22 years old. Who was supposed to "supervise" her? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Jacques Clouseau of the Sûreté.

what was up with her beyond? she had a very jealous roommate that caused a lot of evil and this girl had too much sex and head in clouds to notice,... what lust and jealousy can cause...

Maybe the OP was alluding to a learning disability or neurodivergence? Regardless, she sounded ill prepared for the real world, even at 22. Very sad case. May she rest in peace and may justice be done.

I graduated HS in 1983 also, in Upstate NY. The Tammy story reminds me of the song by Guns N Roses - "My Michelle."

@@craigfinnegan8534 a fellow( be free in 83 ) Arguably we have lost a lot in social skills since days before cell phone & internet. Are used as a case study a video or several videos entitled "interview at the mall 1983". Being at the mall in those days was a much different experience than being at the mall today It would appear that people are less socially adapt at conversing with complete strangers than we were in those days there is a marked difference in the attitudes that are on display in these now historical videos of the '80s. In my humble opinion.

absolutely it does

There isn't another life

Just cause you hate yourself doesnt mean other people have to too

He can use a vacation. All he does is work. This can't be good.