Dies To Removal Episode 24 - The Rising Cost Of Magic: The Gathering

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4 жыл бұрын

The Professor and Vince discuss the rising cost of Magic: The Gathering. Is this game getting more expensive? Why can't Wizards of the Coast just reprint the most needed cards and do we have any hope that they will one day do so? Why is Modern actually cheaper than Standard, and just how much does this game really cost?
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@ruaridhusher4373 4 жыл бұрын

"That's going to decrease the cost of playing magic while also increasing sales. Yes. YES. *YES.* " I am in fits

@williamgreen6814 4 жыл бұрын

Y E S !

@TolarianCommunityCollege 4 жыл бұрын

Yes!

@RaunienTheFirst 4 жыл бұрын

*YES*

@Joescotterpuss 4 жыл бұрын

YES

@haftiabi1966 4 жыл бұрын

YES!

@TherapyForNarhwals 4 жыл бұрын

“You need them to play the game and they’re a hundred dollars.” Prof is getting personal with this skit 😂

@TheFirstTriplefife 4 жыл бұрын

I only have a couple of them and they're the cheep ones.

@TheFirstTriplefife 4 жыл бұрын

@Norman Bergmaier ahhhhhh sheeeeit.

@zachariahwright9732 4 жыл бұрын

When this video was made, not a single fetchland was above $75. Not saying they shouldn't be reprinted, but prices have been going down. Specifically, Khans fetches are decently affordable now.

@TheFirstTriplefife 4 жыл бұрын

@@zachariahwright9732 I get that but they still have a pretty valid argument about basically everything in this video. It's really sad that they aren't listen to. But, hey what you going to do.

@Jahsart23 4 жыл бұрын

@@zachariahwright9732 "decently affordable" 75$ for a single card !

@JeremyBaxendell 4 жыл бұрын

Prof: "Alright! Recorded and edited a video about the failure to reprint Fetchlands! Should still be relevant in that time." WotC: "Hey, Brian! Want to help us announce our Fetchlands reprint?" Prof: "OH, COME ON!!!!"

@nolanhartwick7184 4 жыл бұрын

Ironically, this is clearly still relevant as WotC's reprint policy when it comes to fetchlands is apparantly "Reprint them as long as it doesn't affect the price of the cards and makes us at least 10 million dollars." Considering the essence of this video is about price, its still relevant in spite of wotc reprinting them.

@retronymph 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah but it doesn't help the issue that they're bringing up

@R3ach4Th3Sky 4 жыл бұрын

I would like this comment, but it has 69 likes and I cant ruin that

@goldcreeper7376 4 жыл бұрын

@@nolanhartwick7184 100% agreed, fetchland secret lair was a joke that people liked to make because "well there's no way Wotc is going to be this greedy" and look where we are now. It's even worse in a way, because if the other fetchland reprint down the line (that they mentionned in passing in the video) is in a similar premium product then *two* reprints didn't change anything. I'm holding my breath until then, but so far the fetchland secret lair might as well not exist

@R3ach4Th3Sky 4 жыл бұрын

Well now it has 89 so I guess I can like it now

@saturninewyrd 4 жыл бұрын

"if flash wasn't okay it wouldn't be legal Brian"

@silvanobianchini6924 4 жыл бұрын

They could ban again Protean Hulk, and there would be no issue of a turn 0 win u_U

@maxmazza2987 4 жыл бұрын

I literally run Flash Hulk in cEDH, and also advocate for the ban of either Hulk or Flash. Shit is ridiculous.

@TheSpiritombsableye 4 жыл бұрын

Or Flash an Academy Rector for a turn 2 Omniscience.

@silvanobianchini6924 4 жыл бұрын

@Najawin If you win with a flashed craterhoof, that means you have already an established board with a lot of attacking creatures. That's not a turn 1 win, and I see no problem with that whatsoever.

@silvanobianchini6924 4 жыл бұрын

@@TheSpiritombsableye that is already slightly more concerning, but it's not an instant win : P opponents can interact with omniscience and destroy it, and even if they can't, you don't immediately 'win the game' with an omniscience by cheating your current hand into play. You need specific cards in hand to do so, it's not nearly as fast or reliable than with protean hulk

@Morow991 4 жыл бұрын

Honestly, it seems like WoTC is trying to see just how close they can get to selling singles at secondary market prices without getting called out for it.

@vinnythewebsurfer 4 жыл бұрын

They’ve already failed at being subtle since the week 1 drop with all the different shit like cats.

@zoeysheldon5634 4 жыл бұрын

They get encouraged for it, with the Secret Lairs.

@seankuhn6633 4 жыл бұрын

I wish they would sell shocks at 10 each for all time

@hugoguerreiro1078 4 жыл бұрын

WotC finally realized mtg players are the biggest whales in nerd hobbies and would rather go without food than to stop buying overpriced cardboard. Prof and Vince can complain about WotC all they want but at the end of the day mtg players have the last word and they seem to be pretty happy with rising prices since they keep spending money on the game.

@sergeymuryhin123 4 жыл бұрын

at this point in time is idiotic to get into or continue playing paper magic, mtga is strictly better in every aspect other than sniffing neckbeards at your local cardshop

@bluj1143 4 жыл бұрын

Wizards: "We can't acknowledge the secondary market!" Also Wizards: Sells 5 pieces of cardboard direct to consumer at maximum scarcity to justify a mildly discounted set of enemy fetchlands to line their pockets, promising an actual reprint which will likely come in highly premium priced Legends draft boosters later in the year.

@redstonepro5412 4 жыл бұрын

They mean that they dont talk about the secondary market If they would tell you "you can open a 40$ card", they would fall under the gambling laws

@belisariuscawl3786 4 жыл бұрын

They said more stylized fetches I thought, no specifics on which fetches so i assumed he meant secret lair:allied fetches was later this year and that's it.

@DanknDerpyGamer 4 жыл бұрын

@@redstonepro5412 ? I mean, I hear this a lot, but hardly ever with ANY sources.

@redstonepro5412 4 жыл бұрын

@@DanknDerpyGamer i hear this a lot too, and it just makes much more sense I never heard wizzards saying We treat secondary market like it would not exist They just said that they can not talk about secondary market

@WayoftheFerret 3 жыл бұрын

Future Ferret here, no fetch lands in Commander Legends. Sorry mate.

@DeeJaysWord 4 жыл бұрын

One of my friends was telling me how fishing was expensive because poles were 200$ and I’m like “yea hahah that’s so overpriced” 😬

@peterbruno657 4 жыл бұрын

Your fishing pole is banned in lake but it still legal in ocean.

@silentk59 4 жыл бұрын

And you need 60 poles right? Because if not he can go fuck himself. lol

@Backstabmacro 4 жыл бұрын

Friend: Fishing is so expensive Me: *Hold my expensive curling cardboard.*

@edtesorero115 4 жыл бұрын

Fishing is not a sociable hobby. Omg can u invite 26 people to go fishing : ) can u resell ur fish gears back to it’s market price?

@deckertech-aaron 4 жыл бұрын

@@peterbruno657 i needed that laugh today. Head on the nail for sure.

@thehermitdruid 4 жыл бұрын

The Flash joke killed me and we are not even 15 seconds in

@jamestrevelyan1268 4 жыл бұрын

Same way that Flash kills you 15 seconds into a Commander game? (It’s needs banning, please Wizards)

@ferdithetank7535 4 жыл бұрын

You can say it was an instant kill.

@safertobeanonymous2224 4 жыл бұрын

You’re saying it was done in a..... flash?

@Khronogi 4 жыл бұрын

My playgroup had a rule that says you are allowed to flash hulk, but I'd you do, everyone in the pod punches you in the face.

@Captmorgann 4 жыл бұрын

Khronogi first off flash hulk shouldn't be played in a casual setting, second you and your group sound super immature.

@monkeybench 4 жыл бұрын

Those standard prices are absolutely fine. Just a month of working extra shifts at work and not being able to eat 👌

@sorcen9580 4 жыл бұрын

Card price is probably the single biggest thing keeping me from getting back into the game. It doesn't make sense that I would buy a fetchland when I could buy a box of 40k minis instead.

@EmperorsTeeth 4 жыл бұрын

Two Fethclands and you've got yourself a Forge World Sicaran!

@neil2451 4 жыл бұрын

I can't bring myself to get back in the game with the way Wizards is handling their reprints and their game in general. Last year was horrendous for the game and this year was their chance to bounce back, but so far this year their big move is Secret Lair Fetchlands which is proof that they have no desire to get better and will wring every dollar they can from their previously dedicated playerbase until there is no more juice to squeeze and the game dies or just moves to digital. It's honestly disgusting and it's an insult toball their paper players. I can't in good conscience support this company anymore, I've played since I was in elementary school in Scourge / Onslaught and I've kept up ever since but these days it really feels like WOTC no longer exists, all that's left is Hasbro and their bottom line.

@lordprimus3877 4 жыл бұрын

Idem.

@Victorinya_Valentine 4 жыл бұрын

Damn, you know it’d bad when 40k is a cheaper hobby!

@sorcen9580 4 жыл бұрын

@@cryosen In terms of minis yeah, but that's also kind of the point

@DoomGuyDestructotron 4 жыл бұрын

Best intro yet!

@TolarianCommunityCollege 4 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it!

@JankTank 4 жыл бұрын

I felt like they ripped an ironic stream of consciousness regarding from my brain and made a beautiful skit out of it

@trollman0168 3 жыл бұрын

Ya it was really good

@bentimmer295 2 жыл бұрын

Literally tho

@felipeguidolin1055 4 жыл бұрын

that opening skit, just a few days after announcing Secret Lairs Fetchlands, was pure gold! Prof, you rock!

@lolimmune 4 жыл бұрын

5 fetch lands cost more than a booster box, cuz it has a fancy case apparently

@bayouboyentertainment2106 4 жыл бұрын

You'd think putting them in a fancy case and making it a secret lair would have spelled out playset of lands noooooope.

@anxez 4 жыл бұрын

Gonna buy those fancy boxes for pennies on the dollar and make a killing! /s

@kevinsaltz7849 3 жыл бұрын

Well a booster box isn't a promise to make that much money back either

@johnphipps4960 4 жыл бұрын

"the video is not out of date" WotC uses you to announce that fetchlands are coming to a limited volume product and the problem of the cost of fetch lands is still not addressed.

@Khronogi 4 жыл бұрын

I know these things get set up way before hand but it totally looks like wizards totally shit on the prof by doing that lol.

@Insane_Kane 4 жыл бұрын

@@Khronogi the points stand, the reprint is laughable

@markt43 4 жыл бұрын

I gotta say, the intro was very cathartic.

@deckertech-aaron 4 жыл бұрын

Two requirements to be a part of this discussion: Valid points. Fancy socks.

@johncargille7722 Жыл бұрын

Darn Only got the latter

@mudrahel.philosophovich 4 жыл бұрын

"Three decks vs 1 fetchland" - Pleasant Kenobi is a prophet: Secret Liar 1/2 Fetchlands vs 4 commander precons....

@finalfrontier001 4 жыл бұрын

they are not zendikar fetchlands.

@GamerdevilPro 4 жыл бұрын

@@finalfrontier001 They actually are the fetchlands that appeared in the original Zendikar.

@finalfrontier001 4 жыл бұрын

@@GamerdevilPro congratulations hope you enjoy your $200 cash grab limited addition that re not even foiled.

@GamerdevilPro 4 жыл бұрын

@@finalfrontier001 Oh I think the secret lair drop should have costed 50$/€ and overall I hate this whole secret lair thing in general because how poorly managed it is (if you are not in the US you are fucked). Also not reprinting them in Zendikar despite seemingly good synergy without breaking them in standard is a mistake and a bad decision. Them not being foil is a plus for many players tho as they'll never have any issues at any event because of curled cards or anything like that. I just think you missed the point of OP that this secret lair is as expensive as commander anthology so it isn't even actually 1v3 fetchland vs deck as Vince joked but 1v4 which is even worse :D

@pnyhmsmx 4 жыл бұрын

@@GamerdevilPro can't blame wizards for standard, power level wise. Zen lands broke Zendikar and worldwake draft due to wizards underestimating landfall and red black cards. While Khan standard had onslaught lands fetching bfz dual lands in an environment with no wasteland or blood moon (delve spells didnt help). The real problem is that wizards is too attached to secondary prices while knowing they won't print these for standard and screwing over anyone not interested in Standard

@imperialphoenix1229 4 жыл бұрын

First , 4 minutes of this video 10% meme 20%skit 15%concentrated power of marketing 5% genius 50% criticism And 100% reason to reprint fetchlands for real instead of that secret lair ultimate bullshit... My god

@MrYost-xx5bj 4 жыл бұрын

Wizards: doesn't reprint key cards. Me: Fine. I'll do it myself.

@Alino- 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I've always been a firm believer of real prints but this shit is just paper. So I've been heavily thinking about just starting to use counterfeits since they've gotten to the point where when sleeved you can't even tell the difference these days.

@supranova7594 4 жыл бұрын

Proxies for life there's literally a global pandemic crashing the worlds economy and WotC has the gall to announce fetchlands with their palm out knowing full well they have people by the balls if you dont cuz they control reprints. F*** WotC

@Khronogi 4 жыл бұрын

Counterfeits are only if you are trying to sell them as real. I proxy entire decks, but I'm not trying to trick anyone.

@elliottreadings8029 4 жыл бұрын

Proxies are where it's at. I don't think I'm gonna buy the fetches, since if I take common dual lands and write "Arid mesa" on one in an edh deck they do the same thing.

@Alino- 4 жыл бұрын

@@Khronogi Fair! I just would like my cards to look as close to real as possible. I'm not a fan of selling cards in the first place. (I buy cards to play the game, not turn a profit.)

@elliottreadings8029 4 жыл бұрын

The shouting of "Yes!" Gave me Toast of London vibes.

@PleasantKenobi 4 жыл бұрын

@benmeaige4306 4 жыл бұрын

Everyone knows toast is French.

@chummer2060 4 жыл бұрын

Yes, I hear you Clem Fandango

@nikkis.2066 4 жыл бұрын

I did not expect Mystery Boosters to "sell out" and then nearly double in price. I had thought these were more widely available amd be a stellar $90-110 price range... Alresdy seeing em $160-200 price range...I know they can still be good value tucked in em....but I cant justify paying that much personally.

@DaxRaider 4 жыл бұрын

they said "unlimited print run" so it should be able to buy them again soon shouldnt it ?

@aidanquiett668 4 жыл бұрын

@@DaxRaider It'll take a minute to print the second run, but yeah, once that is done the prices will tank and we can draft for cheap again

@nikkis.2066 4 жыл бұрын

@@DaxRaider I believe they did, jus hope it won't be a lil too late, as places prob keep the prices up a bit.

@MayorofAvabruck 4 жыл бұрын

It's not unlimited.

@aidanquiett668 4 жыл бұрын

@@MayorofAvabruck Yeah, it is

@piepie444 4 жыл бұрын

Suck it rules committee. I love the way he said that.

@supranova7594 4 жыл бұрын

Also loved the HUGE s**t eating grin when he said it

@PalPlays 4 жыл бұрын

@@purpleboye_ Yeah, no. That kills the game.

@pistolpete1358 4 жыл бұрын

You forgot the Arcane Signet/Korvold/Chulane decks

@tomkc516 4 жыл бұрын

"All the fetch lands all the fetching time" I'm dead! haha

@melonboi927 4 жыл бұрын

The intro sketch was literally an always sunny episode

@elliottreadings8029 4 жыл бұрын

Or a skit from an episode of Toast of London

@fredrikgranstrom6743 3 жыл бұрын

We know

@oompax88 4 жыл бұрын

"This product is not for you" has been too overused and cannot continue to be the argument for complaining about too many products; because eventually a product is for nobody or no products are for me.

@IMatchoNation 4 жыл бұрын

The game is made for whales, everyone else is the krill.

@christopherwoodbury7520 4 жыл бұрын

Sealed products are either for collectors, drafters, or mass box opening singles resellers. So, most of the people who play aren't directly wizard's customers and haven't been for years.

@LoxeBi 4 жыл бұрын

A collectable card is only coveted if the base card is in demand, and they won't be if no-one plays the game.

@fredrikgranstrom6743 3 жыл бұрын

@@LoxeBi nAil on head

@Aguila1138 4 жыл бұрын

I love how much they argue with each other about something they both agree on.

@chevin0 4 жыл бұрын

Rosewater just put out a hit on both of them, and that's just for the INTRO!

@flametitan100 4 жыл бұрын

tbf, Maro probably has little to no say in any of the things in the video. He just leads the design process for the actual sets, not the parts of WotC that uphold the Reserved list, decides what promo cards will come out, set price, GP coverage, whether it makes financial sense to put good mana bases into precons (last I heard the problem was that they aren't printed to an extent that could handle the amount of people buying the precons just for the land base,) all that stuff... At most he gets to say that Fetchlands shouldn't be reprinted into Standard.

@TheSpiritombsableye 4 жыл бұрын

It's a skit

@xChikyx 4 жыл бұрын

@@flametitan100 maro sucks

@TheTidesong 4 жыл бұрын

@@xChikyx He's literally one of the most significant people in making the game as amazing as it is so stfu

@kalixascsi66 4 жыл бұрын

@@TheTidesong he used to be. Key part is "used to be". The past decade has proven the design team has been high off their own farts.

@Grimmlocked 4 жыл бұрын

I was like... man that's not that much money, that's like a month of going out drinking on the weekends.... Then I realized I might have a drinking problem.

@GodwynDi 4 жыл бұрын

Solution, buy bulk at liquor store and stay in drinking ad playing magic

@kremlinhighlander4147 4 жыл бұрын

The saddest thing about this is that, even after they announced the fetchland 'reprint' the whole sections about the lack of reprints is still relevant.

@TolarianCommunityCollege 4 жыл бұрын

Yup.

@connorhall4295 4 жыл бұрын

Congrats on Vince, finally getting his own youtube channel

@ConsoleCleric 4 жыл бұрын

4:00 - After being fired from Wizards. 5:52 - Is the cost to play Magic increasing? 13:56 - Cost per standard deck (according to mtggoldfish). 17:56 - Cost of modern, legacy and eternal deck changes. 19:45 - REPRINT FETCHLANDS YOU COWARDS! 24:56 - Project Booster Fun. 37:19 - Product information overload and all Magic products of 2019. 53:55 - The solutions.

@Onion176 4 жыл бұрын

Even the prof didn't reprint Oubliette when he was working at WotC.

@arczero1623 2 жыл бұрын

I didn't know that I needed an MTG version of Red Letter Media with an English Jay and a fusion of Mike and Rich. But hey, here I am. Great analysis, format and food for thought.

@cymbaline4384 4 жыл бұрын

Always sunny in wizards of the coast

@FoxyNews89 4 жыл бұрын

I am a Yu-Gi-Oh! Player and the same is happening here too, Meta Relevant cards are all printed in the highest rarety and Short printed to oblivion, and we end up paying 100$+/ per card that we need a playset of, now competitive yugioh "Standard" Decks are 600$ minimum if you want to see any kind of tournament success

@ThirdRateDuelist 4 жыл бұрын

Konami atleast does a better job of printing stuff. For example, Ash Blossom.

@RobertoGiovannini 4 жыл бұрын

I think the company with the best damage control measures is Bushiroad with Vanguard. They basically did a "Pioneer" (called V-Standard format) scism only a couple years later prices went out of control and then they laid out a complete price control strategy with "modern-alike" (called Premium format) only product with a small pool of new cards once a year and timely functional reprints to sway people away from old and/or overpriced cards. This make Premium more of a V-Standard+ format, with new cards slowly but surely replacing old ones. The real problem Bushi has is its Japanese identity which is rooted deep, which makes Japan the favourite kid, so everything has to be implemented there first and only then transfered to global sets (maybe).

@zycerox 4 жыл бұрын

"wHy dO yOu hAvE a HiStOrY bOoK aBoUt cHiNa" That expression killed me. 🤣

@exposfan94movies 4 жыл бұрын

Maybe not the most hilarious intro, but probably the best one given the messaging and importance. Also, still very funny.

@aunrah02 4 жыл бұрын

That intro was truly amazing. Holy crap! Well done, good conversation, awesome vid all around

@joecooper8527 4 жыл бұрын

JUST MAKE THE PRICE OF ENTRY CHEAPER, MORE MONEY FROM THE INCREASE OF PLAYERS.

@seankuhn6633 4 жыл бұрын

Imo this means 10$ or less per shock land. affordable Lands For entrys sake !!

@coolzog 4 жыл бұрын

Devaluing your product is not a great long term strategy.

@xChikyx 4 жыл бұрын

@@coolzog it's a game, not an investment

@joecooper8527 4 жыл бұрын

@@coolzog AS LONG AS YOU KEEP UP THE QUALITY PEOPLE WILL CONTINUE TO BUY.

@wargh12 4 жыл бұрын

how cheaper though? to make it mainstream it probably should be like $40-50 per deck For any reasonable person (read: not an enfranchised magic player) paying $10-15 for a single piece of cardboard is as much inconceivable as paying $70-80

@captainkarnage9874 4 жыл бұрын

Imagine it someone out there has spent enough on standard to have bought into vintage

@ghostanbu1099 4 жыл бұрын

Mystery Booster boxes already seeing a price increase. I should have stocked up while they were normal price toilet paper Apocalypse style

@bobdole8830 4 жыл бұрын

Nah, they'll drop once the reprints are out. Every store will order TONS after the initial wave. It's a great product that will sell for years

@vinnythewebsurfer 4 жыл бұрын

How much of this price increase is because of a the high demand and stores not getting enough boxes? Where I lived, I paid my box for 207$ Canadian and there was only 1 store that had plenty of boxes on Saturday. Everywhere else was completely wiped out. If this set is truly unlimited printing and the store clerks told me they were coming pretty confidant about the supply, maybe the prices will calm down after a few weeks. Gotta just add, I’m not an expert, just saying what I experienced this weekend

@dandykang1833 4 жыл бұрын

@@bobdole8830 From the LGS's at my area, they're all getting one last shipment and that's it.

@plazstic 4 жыл бұрын

I bought 13 For $80 USD a piece with no tax. My LGS is basically a charity at this point, recipients being me.

@MayorofAvabruck 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah the mystery booster supply is almost gone already. Distributors say only a small restock wave is coming. It will probably go up to 200 dollars before the year is over.

@p1mack 4 жыл бұрын

Great intro! And a wonderful honest conversation! As someone who got into magic in the last year (as an older player), I was buying a lot, not knowing what goes into what (i'm looking at you Modern Horizons binder/and planeswalker decks). If I could go back now, I certainly would do it different!!

@evanmagness7346 4 жыл бұрын

I just bought the play mat yesterday! So excited to support my favorite podcast!

@thetogtube2 4 жыл бұрын

this is so interesting to watch after the EXPENSIVE and WASTEFUL fetch lands Secret Lair... My chinese counterfeits are looking really good right about now.

@noesunyoutuber7680 2 жыл бұрын

Quite telling that (effectively) tournament rule no.1 is that you have to use "real" magic cards. And here we thought the Reserved List was the only concession they made to the secondary market.

@SSEasygoing 4 жыл бұрын

Im pretty sure this is the first podcast with Vince where you have short hair

@TolarianCommunityCollege 4 жыл бұрын

Nope, last week's was the first: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/obKfqJWjutGwo2g.html

@SSEasygoing 4 жыл бұрын

How did i miss it?!? 😱

@AndrewWoodford 4 жыл бұрын

D They have buck-teeth?

@UltimatePokemonFan75 4 жыл бұрын

The intro sketch cemented my love for the both of you. I've never had so much faith in our Mtg idols.

@mrclean7164 2 жыл бұрын

Very good intro! I think it’s accurate, the price is going up. I find commander to be expensive if you want to do it the way you want to. You can of course play budget, but many people don’t want to because it can be quite limiting. Honestly, I save my money for single for commander.

@Bon__Gripper 4 жыл бұрын

I love how even though they’ll both talk over eachother they will totally let one ramble for a long while and it makes it feel like such a passionate podcast

@pierreolivierlepage664 4 жыл бұрын

Honest question: If fetch lands are a "required tool" that's too expensive. Is that an economics flaw or a flaw in the design of the game?

@luispolanco5966 4 жыл бұрын

Game design. Look at some other TCG games. They use better infinitely "energy" systems than MTG does.

@GodwynDi 4 жыл бұрын

@@luispolanco5966 I wouldn't say better. Easier certainly.

@ashtongaskill3980 4 жыл бұрын

Watched the intro while in the bathroom. Came out and my wife was concerned about how much I was laughing in there. Great job Prof and Vince!

@anthonylowney1395 4 жыл бұрын

basically we have two choices at the moment: be a mtg player or have a life. Price is ridiculous.

@anthonylowney1395 4 жыл бұрын

@Milkshake Of Death dude, have you even played commander ? If you want to stand a chance at playing with someone other than your little brother, you need some pricey cards to compete.

@BTSBACKHAWK 4 жыл бұрын

Milkshake Of Death lol a 300$ wind grace deck. I wish my meta was that cheap. the average cost of decks in my groups meta is 1500-2000.

@BTSBACKHAWK 4 жыл бұрын

Milkshake Of Death we have decent jobs and plenty of disposable income so why shouldn’t we spend our money on things we enjoy. It has nothing to do with taking the game seriously. We get together grab dinner and play magic casually on a Friday night. I didn’t claim to have “skill” or need to brag beating more expensive decks.

@douglima8344 4 жыл бұрын

I feel like this video was recorded before the announcement of the Secret Lair Ultimate Platinum Give Money Edition. But even so Vince had the foresight to say that those kinds of reprints wouldn't solve the problem 21:40. When you know a game, you know a game.

@douglima8344 4 жыл бұрын

The professor just confirmed one minute later lol

@jacksonvanhyning8339 4 жыл бұрын

"I hear there's a problem with lawsuits if we do this" *NO*

@TheSeriousShowURL 4 жыл бұрын

I knew the professor as a great, important voice in magic that taught new players and helped all players. But now that I've watched the podcast... he's even better! I loved that intro's comedic timing :)

@OldGodsGames 4 жыл бұрын

The intro freaking had me creased with laughter. The video was fairly entertaining and basically encapsulates my views on a lot of WotC stuff. 54:00 #manaforall

@ZestyMozzarella 4 жыл бұрын

The word at the company you're looking for is "greedy!"

@williamsimkulet7832 4 жыл бұрын

46:00 - I actually kind of want to see JumpStart do well. Mind you, it's apparently just "heavily 2020 core set" and not standard legal, so it's already needlessly confusing. I genuinely hope WOTC has given this it's own expansion symbol and wises up and makes them all standard legal.

@timsasse9984 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Prof and Vince, you are my heroes! I've been so angry at wizards since the fetch land announcement... I started to play magic a few years ago and would really like to get more into modern, but the costs for doing that are just too insane!

@rakghoul6393 4 жыл бұрын

Holy shit these skits were amazing. When it comes to other hobbies, I used to play the X-Wing mini game and for the cost of my legacy D&T deck I could buy 35-40 individual ships to play with and build nearly any list I want to instead of just one.

@Slo-Mode 4 жыл бұрын

Why wouldn't you have a book on Chinese history? It's actually really interesting and cool, and it's important to know atleast some basic history about one of the most influential countries in the world.

@luispolanco5966 4 жыл бұрын

Bat Soup enthusiasts who made society.exe not working

@tankiegoku Жыл бұрын

Love this comment

@GM-rs2fv 4 жыл бұрын

Take a shot of hand sanitizer every time Vince touches his face.

@supranova7594 4 жыл бұрын

Seriously!! it was bugging me sooo much like OMG Vince, stop, get yourself some help.

@blank9735 4 жыл бұрын

Im sure this was filmed before covid19...

@finalfrontier001 4 жыл бұрын

@@blank9735 ? how so this was filmed in February and Covid-19 was late december.

@half-assedcraftswithbigmik4301 4 жыл бұрын

Literally the BEST skit on this channel. Well done, folks.

@gregdavis6071 4 жыл бұрын

Love this format. your production is getting damn impressive. Keep it up!

@KnightofAges 4 жыл бұрын

Regarding getting these decks in Magic: Arena. I'm a fully F2P player, only do the dailies and enough to get to Silver rank each month (no time to play more, sadly). I have played for 10 months that casually (about 30-40 minutes a day), and currently I have the Temur Reclamation, Sultai Midrange and Bant MidRamp decks (with sideboards) [and also monoblack devotion, which isn't mentioned in the video], all for the grand price of zero dollars. And I still have 20 rare and 15 mythic rare wildcards to use. So no, I don't think we need a great devotion to get them. We get starter decks, and when we do simple 'play' (not any 'ranked play') we are matched with decks of similar power, so we often face other starter decks, which makes doing the dailies a breeze.

@GodwynDi 4 жыл бұрын

Ranked play isn't bad either. Gold is achievable even with my janky Hakdos deck

@ingoschultz0 4 жыл бұрын

coming back to MTG after having played in my childhood i was instantly turned away by the deck prices. there are better hobbies for me to spend that kind of money on.

@xanaxkamikaze 4 жыл бұрын

Holy moly! That intro is just pure gold!

@jasonmills8592 4 жыл бұрын

Great intro to video, very intriguing and highly creative. It's definitely got me interested.

@TheFirstTriplefife 4 жыл бұрын

There is so much about MTG I wish would change. The price is possibly my top priority. I like owning the cards. To this extent I like to play the cards. Sure enough I even like to have a ever growing collection. Yet, I can't because the price is to high for a lot of the "must have" cards, even in case of me just buying one for one specific commander deck. So until things change I will just be Owwwing and Ahhhing at all the cards I can never own. Let alone play. Remind me again, is this a card game or collectable cards or both? Where is the balance?

@TheFirstTriplefife 4 жыл бұрын

Oh magic. How I used to buy booster boxes. After the last time when I bought a Iconic masters, I just can't do it any more. Granted I still got decent pulls, but it just isn't worth doing. There are things I wish they would change about the game, yet I'm not holding my breath.

@showdownz 4 жыл бұрын

That skit was.......BY FAR..... THE FUNNIEST..... skit you have ever done.... OMDG that made me laugh.... Well cut and well done sirs... well done!

@herbievalerius5740 3 жыл бұрын

It is a fact that is reflected in the sealed product price; the cost has gone up! Don't even need to factor in IF you are competitive and the expense of the necessary cards to sustain competitive, or IF you are a collector/player and you are looking to buy older cards, which incidentally, only go up over time in price!

@th5174 4 жыл бұрын

haha in the episode they talked about bernie i got a bernie ad

@duncanmorrow255 4 жыл бұрын

"I aM oNcE aGaIn AsKiNg FoR yOuR fInAnCiAl SuPpOrT"

@shadowjeric 4 жыл бұрын

That intro is hilarious and I love it! :D

@oatmealbro6977 4 жыл бұрын

My favorite part of the video is when they say the phrase "fetchland"! 🤣 Wonderful video, gentlemen!

@radhazard6827 4 жыл бұрын

Wonderful episode gentlemen! I echo your sentiments, as does a large majority of the MTG player base. Keep up the good work!

@SingerOfW 4 жыл бұрын

The Professor after every booster box game: don't buy booster boxes, booster packs are for draft Also the Professor: why would you make packs just for draft Wizards?

@noesunyoutuber7680 2 жыл бұрын

Draft packs are traditional magic packs, unchanged from their old format. Wizards were already making draft packs - they were just the regular-ass packs! All the addition of a draft pack tier does is confirm that Wizards knows they're selling a low value product and they don't care about it - they'll just introduce a more expensive product that has more acceptable value while potentially playing even more into the idea that the game is driven by rarity, and they can't offer the poorer players a limb because it's really about selling massive amounts of boosters to resellers off of chase rares and exciting reprints rather than fostering a player community that keeps paying you to be involved.

@Bldyiii 4 жыл бұрын

At a certain point I’ll just draw my own cards and play with them.

@beneven-kesef5121 4 жыл бұрын

I love this podcast, thats all I gotta say. One of my favorites of any topic

@boltblackjoker 4 жыл бұрын

That opening skit needs to be its own video, it's so good.

@JamesWanders 4 жыл бұрын

I don't think I'm the only one who's "engaged with the game" without having any interest in 60-card constructed formats, and it has nothing to do with price.

@michaelroywright9975 4 жыл бұрын

Professor here looks like he could beat anyone at WotC in a game of bowling.

@thefrozengoat 4 жыл бұрын

I keep coming back to this video for the intro alone. Dying over here!

@Soulus101 4 жыл бұрын

I hadn't watched this episode until now... I'd wondered where you got the sound of Vince shouting "YES" for Vincebot, and now I know.

@noahhoffenberg6971 4 жыл бұрын

Also Prof I really enjoy this series. 😊

@jjohansen86 4 жыл бұрын

"Standard has been terrible the last year." I mean, in the fall it was, but every time people say this, I feel like interjecting, GRN and RNA Standard were fantastic, it's a pretty common sentiment that those were some of the best Standard formats in years. I liked to joke that the best parts of Magic in 2019 were Standard and Modern Horizons, while the worst parts of Magic in 2019 were Standard and Modern Horizons, though I stopped being able to make that joke when Pioneer was obviously amazing for its first few months (Theros wasn't good to Pioneer, but up until the release of Theros it's pretty much universally agreed that it was amazing).

@GamesbyMarcWolff 4 жыл бұрын

Man, if only there was a Free Trading Card Game... maybe called Mage War or something? P.S. I love your work professor and I’m glad WotC listens to the sentiments of the community which you so brilliantly reflect. Thank you for getting us here. I think it would be even better though if everyone joined me on this journey of mine to get WotC to actually fix what is wrong with Magic instead of compounding its flaws. Yes, there are things wrong with Magic. Big shock, I know.

@vincentheslin9636 4 жыл бұрын

Great , great discussion. And you two slayed the opening.

@TheOmegaBear09 4 жыл бұрын

"Reprint the fetchlands! It will make them more affordable!" WotC- Hold my beer, I've got money to make

@joefreemanwilliams3570 4 жыл бұрын

The Red Letter Media was strong with this one 😂

@AidanWR 4 жыл бұрын

"Sorry, I was looking at deck prices. YOU HAVE A KZfaq CHANNEL?!" That was a great joke that got a laugh from me

@unraveki 4 жыл бұрын

46:46 there is another difference, the die is see through glitter purple, also technically vince was right when he guessed that the number of boosters were different, so Brian you were wrong two times in a row lol!

@Magiccircle100 4 жыл бұрын

What the heck was that device he talked on at the beginning?

@trumpetperson11 4 жыл бұрын

I love people like Rudy, but collectors are honestly the bane of this games existence. Its a game, and making parts artificially expensive just to satisfy a handful of people that want to collect shiny cardboard fucking pisses me off. They ruin the game for others since for some reason, someone decided that the collector's products and the vital game pieces should overlap. Its like playing a fucking game with romance era paintings. It blows my fucking mind.

@danbarto8876 4 жыл бұрын

Hey, hoping that you and pk are doing well. I'm not sure if the virus will be altering your release schedules, but the content is great and I'm hoping we will continue seeing you.

@OldManBolt 4 жыл бұрын

I have been really enjoying your content lately! This one was freaking great!

@jacoblong1473 4 жыл бұрын

Can we get a "Hello there" "PLEASANT KENOBI!"

@starperro4441 4 жыл бұрын

I tried to play paper Magic, but oh boy, it's expensive as hell! It's a luxury when you live in Mexico. :(

@ginzomelo 4 жыл бұрын

In Brazil too. We paid something like 20~25 bucks of our money for a single booster pack :( Wizards don't care about us. It's like we are merely intruders and they just want rich and obnoxious people playing...

@starperro4441 4 жыл бұрын

@@ginzomelo It's a sad thing considering the current Mythic Champion is a brazilian.

@5ManaAndADream 4 жыл бұрын

I don't often find the intros that stellar. But this was fucking tremendous lmao.

@serder910630 4 жыл бұрын

In arena, while playing around 10 hours per week, All I was doing was dropping money on the pre order during dominaria standard and I could get 2 Tier 1 decks (esper control and sultai). The problem were the rare wild cards since the shocks and checks were so important. However, it was doable for around 70 CAD per magic set.