wanted to write exactly this, well, you were half a year faster than me, I owe you respects

hearing glam metal with first wave black/thrash guitars (and production/mixing) is just so entertaining to me

Vanity is a great album, I think it was their way of making up for Cold Lake as they tried to get back on track.

Dude......i mean seriously....Vanity?Its an ok album, but your favorite?Nothing on it is amazing, innovative and things like that, which made Celtic Frost legends in the first place. Good thing they released their crowning achievement Monotheist

I actually like bands like LA Guns, Faster Pussycat and so on. And this album don`t even come close. It is not only sleazy hardrock, it is bad sleaze. I think it is better bands changing style to this kind of music. For example the band T.S.O.L pissed off a lot of hardcore punks changing style, but at least they made music that was not bad for this style.

Haha

I'd love that

Lol it's not too bad

I don't mind it. It's not a glam metal album regardless of how they look. It's just a metal album really. It will be tough to find one day.

As a parody piece its funny as fuck, it grew on me somehow

They were very different lots of times really. Pandemonium is probably the strangest

Agree with you! Tom is very revisionist. But he recorded and played that music, at a point in time he believed in it. Nothing can change that. It's not like he released Cold Lake under a spell or was forced to do it with a gun pointed at his head. He is obviously free to dislike it now, but some of us out there still like it, and he should respect that, or not, I don't fucking care. Ultimately, the music that a band puts out is out of their control, and keeps living in the ears of present and future listeners. I actually know a lot of people who like CL, people who have been listening to extreme music for thirty, forty years. I bought CL when it came out and liked it. Not more than the other albums but still liked it. At the time, you never knew what you were going to get with Celtic Frost. Every album sounded different. They were a very experimental band at their core in fact. My favorite of theirs will always be Into the Pandemonium. I listened (still do) to a lot of punk and goth as well and that album sounded very goth to me. Cold Lake was not glam. As a matter of fact, I find it a very depressing album, very decadent and melancholy. It's like dead flowers on a grave. It's the word "death" written with lipstick. The only glam thing was the hairspray and some questionable fashion choices (but look at the band photos of ITP, it's already there). Now there is this revisionist idea of first wave of black metal. First wave of black metal was dark thrash, death metal, some traditional heavy metal even (Mercyful Fate). Three out of six CF albums are weird, experimental metal, Into The Pandemonium, Cold Lake, Vanity/Nemesis. Both Vanity/Nemesis and Into The Pandemonium have traces of Cold Lake. So, if you dislike those three albums and only like the "black metal" CF, you don't like Celtic Frost, but half of Celtic Frost, which is ok. There are plenty of bands I only like a few albums of. But those three records are not accidents, they are an integral part of what CF was. And if you think there is a REAL Celtic Frost and a FAKE Celtic Frost, you like an IDEA of Celtic Frost. Celtic Frost is the totality of the music they released. The only REAL CF is the sum of its parts. Cherry Orchards. Ginger looks upon pain. Cherry Orchards. August fades like tears in vain.

@@amerigoormea Thank you for your beautiful comment and congrats for your way of thinking. If you notice, artists sometimes experiment with other styles out of curiocity and interest to expand their barriers through creative freedom. They did with Cold Lake what KISS did with Dynasty. It still was KISS, it may was glam rock but it wasn't disco, and, if it was, who cares as long as there is quality in it? If you notice Nemesis looks like an A-Ha cover actually. We know Tom is a broad music listener and he is a very innovative and smart artist. The female singer from Tristesses... is a reknown singer from a Swish gothic wave band called The Vylles! So, for a "dark/thrash/black" metal artist to create styles like that in the "primitive" 80s was so much beyond! You said it all with your comment, I may add later 🙏

@@user-uz5hi1yp2pThanks for your reply. Man, I absolutely love the Vyllies! Whispers in The Shadows!

@@user-uz5hi1yp2pSpeaking of CF weirdness and experimentation, let's not forget Prototype. Lately, it's the CF thing I listen to the most actually.

Not saying Prototype is good. It's not, embarrassing at times. But it's interesting to see what a band tries out.

I agree

Agreed

Yeah I always like the album too. Are you up on the old hard rock albums that are lesser known? If not try Baton Rouge

Well I wouldn't go that far but it's ok

Me too

Maybe it wasn't time for Monotheist then, but Monotheist was where they would've otherwise gone. Happy we got that album too, before Celtic Frost was over.

To reach their logical conclusion, called Monotheist. That was the album CF was trying to write since the beginning. An absolutely fantastic way to end the band

Oh it's not that bad lol but back then it did seem that way

@@metalmickey yeah I can tolerate it now mate...back then tho being 16 and all thrash and testosterone fuelled it was a bit of a shock...since then there's been far worse for sure 🤘🤘

I came in on Pandemonium which is probably an even stranger album but I agree I think it's decent too. I don't think it's a glam metal album either that's just lazy thinking because of the photo and video

I've left a link below mate

@@metalmickey Excellent, thank you, appreciate it!

The real change took place between "Tragic Serenades" and "Into The Pandemonium" with the "Mexican Radio" cover.

Try the song Juices like Wine

Go listen to it. There are some GREAT songs on it. The real issue is that it needs to be remixed. I wish he would let me mix it. I find nothing glam about it other than their look.

What did he say?

@@metalmickey "Goodbye." He actually did talk to me some more, though.

Didn't know it had been

I think he's backed himself into a corner now with this album. It won't get a reissue until he's dead and it's stupid to take that stance.

@@metalmickey He has recently said in another interview that this doesn't have to do with him. The rights belong now on BGM. Maybe that's not 100% true but I do understand him. We have the album anyway. A remaster would be nice though it's not so necessary. Thank you for the comment!

It's not as bad as he makes out but it's not going to blow anybody away either.

I think it's because it's the genre that's dated the worst looking back. I like loads of glam albums but it's dated

That's very hard to argue with to be honest. I totally agree.

@@metalmickey I'm not a fan of black metal to be totally honest but its popular and tom warrior only plays celtic frost songs that are from the albums these black metal hacks sight as their influence,,theres a collection of demos called nemesis of power,in session 93 and has some of celtic frost best songs on it,and nobody ever talks about it,,,devil in the flesh and the man who would weep being 2 of my favorites from it...he should embrace all of his original sounding material...nothing out there sounds like cold lake or anything on vanity nemesis and he should be proud of those great original sounding albums..instead hes busy pandering to these black metal fucktards.

Tom and Celtic Frost always distanced themselves from black metal, even in the 1980's. They were a thrash band, a doom band, a sludge band and a proto-death metal band. Tom doesn't need to prove anything. He will forever be one of the most important personas in the world of heavy metal.

@@piotrb8434 what kills me is these bands back in the 80s that were suppose to be black metal kreator,sodom sarcophago ect.were thrash bands and someone just took it upon their selves to start calling them black metal.

Celtic Frost had the black metal imagery and album art, but their music was always cornball thrash. A terribly overrated band.