Tom Hartley: Exposing The Truth Behind $300M Business, Supercars & Celeb Clients

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Күн бұрын

Tom Hartley & his 50/50 business partner Carl Hartley join us to talk all things supercars, business and funny celebrity stories.
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TIME STAMPS:
00:00 Intro
00:54 The TRUE Owners Of Tom Hartley
03:02 Being Cancelled On Social Media
04:44 Tom Speaks On Leaving School & First Deals
08:05 Carl On Leaving School At 11 Years Old
11:26 This Is The Problem With Gen Z
13:57 "We Work 7 Days A Week!"
18:42 Here's What Sets Tom Hartley Apart
23:57 Why Tinie Tempah & Jay Z LOVE Tom Hartley
26:27 "We Sell The Same Car FIVE Times A WEEK!"
29:15 The SECRET Behind Tom Hartley's Success
32:01 Why Tom Will Never Retire
32:45 The Best Supercar Of All Time
35:43 Will Electric Cars Take Over?
40:39 "The ONLY Thing I Won't Sell Is My WIFE!"
44:55 Tom On Getting Caught By The Police
47:02 Why Dyslexia Is A Superpower
49:34 "School Can't Teach You Entrepreneurship!"
52:31 You Can't Buy These Supercars With Cash
57:23 This Watch Costs $700,000!
58:05 11 Year Old BUYS Lamborghini (You Won't Believe This Story)
1:05:21 You Shouldn't Judge A Book By It's Cover
1:07:00 Final Questions
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@Strikeitbig
@Strikeitbig Жыл бұрын
If you liked this podcast then you will love the main channel video I did with Tom Hartley, where he showed me around his estate! - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/laxodr2irLjKlIE.html
@YourTransformationUK
@YourTransformationUK Жыл бұрын
The fact that they are such a massive success, and Carl said a Carrera GT has a V12……… gives me motivation. Running your own business doesn’t take smarts, it takes guts, determination and showing up.
@icsbay7932
@icsbay7932 Жыл бұрын
True in many cases
@Hasan-dj1xp
@Hasan-dj1xp Жыл бұрын
Facts
@SuperLaviathon
@SuperLaviathon Жыл бұрын
I was thinking this! I reckon he was thinking of a Murcielago Manual whilst he was talking about the CGT 😂😂😂 one of the most famous V10’s every put in a road car and he calls it V12 madness
@kevinwhite8836
@kevinwhite8836 Жыл бұрын
Glad it was not just me who picked this up. It is still one of the best sounding engines ever made.
@SuperLaviathon
@SuperLaviathon Жыл бұрын
@@kevinwhite8836 don’t worry …. When the words left his mouth it hit me HARD! Can’t believe his Dad didn’t say something!?? I’m still annoyed by it …. 😂😂😂
@CraigMcB68
@CraigMcB68 Жыл бұрын
This is probably the best podcast that I've ever watched/listened to. Tom and his son Carl were truly inspirational. The story of the 11 year old just shows why these guys are the best at what they do.
@HelenCrane-jl1nv
@HelenCrane-jl1nv 9 ай бұрын
You need to get out more
@simonwilliams2230
@simonwilliams2230 Жыл бұрын
one of the best pod-casts Ive ever watched - thank you !
@ryannesbitt8568
@ryannesbitt8568 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely flew by watching this, great podcast
@DoubleDeckerAnton
@DoubleDeckerAnton Жыл бұрын
What a fantastic interview. I've always remembered Tom Hartley's name in the Sunday Times Motoring section decades ago. Its great to hear their story.
@CuntyMcGinty
@CuntyMcGinty Жыл бұрын
This has to be the most well polished ,well produced channel I've seen with such little subs
@michaelmorley6522
@michaelmorley6522 Жыл бұрын
This was simply brilliant, thank you. You have another subscriber.
@chriswhite4915
@chriswhite4915 Жыл бұрын
Its my goal to buy a car from Tom Hartley and Carl one day. Next level.
@bigal2417
@bigal2417 Жыл бұрын
Why ? I'd rather buy a car from someone where I could get the best deal for myself.
@adrianstarr
@adrianstarr 5 ай бұрын
what a great group of guys! Tom, Carl and all! So nice to see old school values in action and so successful, loved every second of it! Thanks for doing this, now to get a car from them! I've got one in mind now!
@timgoodman9766
@timgoodman9766 Жыл бұрын
This was epic, earned a new subscriber after watching this and the Car Wow chat. Love the monetary insight.
@RickPalmer
@RickPalmer Жыл бұрын
Fantastic interview!
@peter.alixhuebscher1119
@peter.alixhuebscher1119 Жыл бұрын
Aspirational and inspirational. Thank you
@joshbrooks5171
@joshbrooks5171 Жыл бұрын
Loved this podcast 👍🏼
@garywilberforce2898
@garywilberforce2898 Жыл бұрын
Tom Hartley legend & Carl iam sure will take the business to another level👍
@ewenbruce5851
@ewenbruce5851 Жыл бұрын
The saddest thing about this video is him saying he doesn't see his kids much. He could, but he chooses not to because work and money are more important. I doubt his kids will thank him in years to come.
@Hali88
@Hali88 Жыл бұрын
IMO you shouldn't live your life like that, being happy and relaxed with your family is more important than how much money you make each week. After all, if you don't have the time to spend with your family, what's the point of the money? Smart people use money to buy time, not time to buy money.
@mayhem7918
@mayhem7918 Жыл бұрын
He's a scumbag just like his father
@mattyr2003
@mattyr2003 Жыл бұрын
100%. The Dad has brainwashed the son to believe what success is. He’s as wrong as anybody could ever be.
@martinop2flo45
@martinop2flo45 Жыл бұрын
The beauty of this business is that designers and manufacturers do all the hard work, the difficulty is finding the right units on a regular basis, it would appear they have this covered.
@essentialmtb8683
@essentialmtb8683 Жыл бұрын
big up shoreham, have to say really enjoyed this podcast
@raymondrobertson3869
@raymondrobertson3869 Жыл бұрын
Only one thing to say FANTASTIC what a guy Tom is and his son is such a down to earth guy too Regards Raymond 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
@colinturner4158
@colinturner4158 10 күн бұрын
People like Tom senior can’t stop they wouldn’t know what to do with himself it’s his life.
@widegadgey
@widegadgey 5 ай бұрын
a legend in his own mind
@LynGriffiths70
@LynGriffiths70 Жыл бұрын
Really interesting, Tom and Carl seem well matched together, they are no doubt passionate about growing their business and very successful in doing so, I thought Tom Jr deserved an honourable mention, you can see even more after watching this while jr broke away, his passion for cars, especially minor detail and history seem on another level from his brother and father. Both amazing businesses, but I could listen to Tom Jr for days describing his stock.
@markkerry5840
@markkerry5840 Жыл бұрын
Just a great interview
@Mike-jx2uj
@Mike-jx2uj Жыл бұрын
Absolutely brilliant podcast
@swlondon2030
@swlondon2030 Жыл бұрын
I loved this. Probably watch it again. Not really a fan of podcasts usually. Would be a dream come true to buy a car from these guys 1 day
@keithhooper5965
@keithhooper5965 Жыл бұрын
It’s well known in the trade a lot of their stock is on S.O.R .. good luck to them .. personally prefer Tom Jnr his business is incredible. Maybe a podcast with him ?
@___StudioFred___
@___StudioFred___ Жыл бұрын
100% back this comment, particularly regarding Tom Jnr
@willpowr416
@willpowr416 Жыл бұрын
What an amazing Podcast, no holds bar old school businessmen!! When Tom gave it to his son for copping 2 Defenders 😭 I had to go back and laugh cuz you guys just hit my line when Jr. Was tricking both of them out🤣🤣 LEGENDS!! So inspiring for me to grow my business and cease every opportunity in life! "why do something tomorrow that you can do today, because today you might be dead"
@computerdaniel
@computerdaniel Жыл бұрын
Such an inspiring video. Been waiting for this for a while, I just don't understand why people would try to cancel this amazing man!
@fastasfox
@fastasfox 9 ай бұрын
Very enjoyable podcast...thankyou
@ashleybarker937
@ashleybarker937 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I'd like to see another with Tom Junior
@thomaslaheney154
@thomaslaheney154 5 ай бұрын
Trigger's broom 😂😂
@BOSSofLA
@BOSSofLA Жыл бұрын
dope,... interaction'' you guys' really had them comfortable enough to welcome you’ll to there show room! Reminded me of another podcast with a similar journey of WIRES ONLY, he doesn’t accept cash either jus wire transfers,....😊
@jonathangould1255
@jonathangould1255 5 ай бұрын
I think there’s a few Arabs that may disagree with the richest car dealer? But amazing success.
@garry3518
@garry3518 Жыл бұрын
Great watch , shame so many adverts interrupted it
@paulpritchard6682
@paulpritchard6682 Жыл бұрын
Excellent interview and amazing story. Very inspiring how Carl has been so successful to be 50/50 owner of such a prestigious business.
@Strikeitbig
@Strikeitbig Жыл бұрын
Thanks Paul, glad you enjoyed the interview! - Curtis
@rupsdhillon864
@rupsdhillon864 3 ай бұрын
Fantastic interview guys
@Stangoguy
@Stangoguy 4 ай бұрын
Carl always comes across as a down to earth respectful businessman
@superk6487
@superk6487 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely loved that 💪 great family story and well done to Tom and his boys for building an amazing family business an brand What’s strange is I was interested in a car they have and if I do call them I hope they are exactly the people they seem too be
@kelvyndoyle1350
@kelvyndoyle1350 Жыл бұрын
Would have listen for hours shame it ended, two people to look up tuo definatley
@dommo9056
@dommo9056 Жыл бұрын
A month later and the white Cullinan is still for sale
@b2bt696
@b2bt696 Жыл бұрын
Jinxed it.
@30minutesinFinance
@30minutesinFinance Жыл бұрын
Love these, and this is an insane guest to have. You guys actually inspired me to start my own podcast too. Appreciate everything you do!
@Strikeitbig
@Strikeitbig Жыл бұрын
That's amazing to hear, we wish you all the luck in the world!
@geriatricmotorcars9516
@geriatricmotorcars9516 4 ай бұрын
Changed my opinion about Tom Hartley Genuine guy , also in the motor trade With a son doing a similar thing on another level
@lenep9985
@lenep9985 Жыл бұрын
Great story re the young boy..💪💪💪
@gvibes33
@gvibes33 Жыл бұрын
Having a $300m Car Business, and Carl saying a Carrera GT has a V12?! 38:00 … Tells me anything is possible if you work hard in this world
@AbdulrahmanAlWahaibi
@AbdulrahmanAlWahaibi 9 ай бұрын
😅
@appleblueragcrip
@appleblueragcrip Жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this… I’ve always liked Tom Snr ‘we are the deal makers’ top interview.
@danielmabbitt
@danielmabbitt Жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this, both really down to earth
@ManicBeans
@ManicBeans Жыл бұрын
wouldn't call them down to earth, nice people yes, but to say they know what life is like for the working class is farfetched. they're a billionaire family probably.
@TheAgwarn
@TheAgwarn 9 ай бұрын
Wow, what an interesting pair of people!
@Greg.Newton13
@Greg.Newton13 Жыл бұрын
“I’m not flamboyant”…. Then name drops, hotels, restaurants , celebrities, and prefers Ferrari over Porsche 😂😂😂
@TVSOUNDSYSTEM
@TVSOUNDSYSTEM 11 ай бұрын
😂😂
@computerdaniel
@computerdaniel Жыл бұрын
Hey Mark what is your number one life advice?
@F22DYN
@F22DYN 3 ай бұрын
Dubai enter the chat😅
@user-gw8hy9fg4i
@user-gw8hy9fg4i Жыл бұрын
I really want build my bussines but I really don't know which one do I have to study. I am just reading book.... what Doi have to do?
@mtdteedee2856
@mtdteedee2856 2 ай бұрын
Would love to met Tom I watched your success during my career within the dealerships 💫🤝👍
@scottp4547
@scottp4547 Жыл бұрын
What I find weird about Tom hartley cars is if u check there reviews there awful, dunno if it’s actual clients or just ppl trying it on
@adamtaylor1831
@adamtaylor1831 Жыл бұрын
When Carl said bend the rules he bent the rules when he wrote that Porsche off while he was drunk driving in Sheffield
@garyrichards2782
@garyrichards2782 Жыл бұрын
A fantastic interview
@swb7161
@swb7161 Жыл бұрын
Nobody in the UK that drives a nice car that hasn’t spoke to TH… 🤣
@colinturner4158
@colinturner4158 10 күн бұрын
Some people mistake confidence for arrogance the family are very confident not arrogant
@anemicbeats
@anemicbeats Жыл бұрын
Great video
@sshnrub
@sshnrub Жыл бұрын
Good guests 👍
@gringostarrr
@gringostarrr 6 ай бұрын
38:00 correction Carl ... its a V10
@royalalloy3471
@royalalloy3471 Жыл бұрын
Successful because they didn't waste time and money at university (not just crooks) but is sending his kids to university 🤦🏼‍♂️... Shows its not about an education it's trying to be accepted in a class they aren't accepted in. And they wash plenty of cash. Pay for the meal in cash, claim it as a expense and it's clean. Over and over 🤦🏼‍♂️
@timhaywood6604
@timhaywood6604 Жыл бұрын
Sorry but I’m a car lover , had everything this side of Ferrari , but I love my Tesla S
@alexramskill3662
@alexramskill3662 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely fantastic podcast. One of the best I’ve ever watched!
@Strikeitbig
@Strikeitbig Жыл бұрын
Thanks Alex, that means a lot to us, more coming soon!
@DailyDrivenBikes_1
@DailyDrivenBikes_1 Жыл бұрын
The pagani zonda is a crazy car.
@franciscocastro9542
@franciscocastro9542 Жыл бұрын
a cgt has a v10 not a v12 brother
@freddie_mvp
@freddie_mvp Жыл бұрын
What a cool man! You can tell he raised his son well too.
@Strikeitbig
@Strikeitbig Жыл бұрын
Hi Freddie, his son Carl is a 50% owner in the business and is the force behind pushing the Tom Hartley Brand into the next decades. Both great guys. MT 😎
@freddie_mvp
@freddie_mvp Жыл бұрын
@@Strikeitbig haha I know - I watched the interview! 😄
@martinboulden4388
@martinboulden4388 Жыл бұрын
My observation is these two can’t delegate ! Tom Senior shouldn’t be working and grinding as hard as he visually suggests he does. Everyone needs a healthy work life balance. I think the most interesting member of this family is Tom Hartley Jnr, that’s the real story. Having the balls to leave the family firm and set up the operation he has excites me more. When all said and done there’s loads of dealers selling this type of super car fodder in the UK and certainly in Dubai.
@smcdetailing7921
@smcdetailing7921 Жыл бұрын
Their company is THEM. why would high net worth clients of many years want to deal with some young pup with cheap aftershave when they can continue to deal with Tom Snr and Carl. They've said many times their business is built on repeat clients. Those repeat clients have trust and comfort with the Hartley boys.
@auser1617
@auser1617 Жыл бұрын
THJ is backed by Bernie's money, a well known fact..........
@martinboulden4388
@martinboulden4388 Жыл бұрын
@@auser1617 Not a problem, Bernie has an amazing car collection so makes sense to team up with some with incredible stock.
@jackkitchener6468
@jackkitchener6468 Жыл бұрын
I do agree with your observations and believe that if the business is run the way that THS suggests then there needs some urgent attention on how to delegate. I believe that THS is now in his 60s and still controlling the business full-time, whilst his son plays a small part. In theory, there should’ve been an official handover around a decade ago, or an external MD taking the reigns for a while until CH can take over, I fear that the day when THS goes will be the end of the business due to poor planning. Tom Hartley Junior does really interest me, to leave the family business and set up one yourself does take a lot of balls, he has become a leader of modern car selling and has a car stock which THS would ever dream of.
@richardspeciale8828
@richardspeciale8828 Жыл бұрын
Some people say I work too much. I ask them what their hobby is. Then I tell them mine is my business. I truly enjoy it just as you do “XYZ”.
@valherustinger7848
@valherustinger7848 4 ай бұрын
LOL I just realised Im dyslexic HAHAHA. My mum said I never learnt to crawl, I went from sitting to walking. She said I watched everyone walk then one day just got up and started walking. Ive been like that all my life. I dont care about the middle, I go straight to the end. Thank you, I thought i was a weirdo. also when I go car shopping I dress bad and go after all the cars I want and keep walking away from dealers who think I dont have money then end up buying from the dealer who treats me with respect lol. So far Audi have been the best to me so far. I went to buy a new Cupra to test their brand and they wouldnt let me demo the car so crossed that brand off my list lol.
@Miz-ql3ho
@Miz-ql3ho 10 ай бұрын
IT’s amazing how buggati salespeople, who cant afford the cars themselves. Go off & judge people when they enquire about a car they would’ve genuinely bought! Key lesson never judge a person by his/her looks!
@ndanga7
@ndanga7 Жыл бұрын
Seen their reviews and everything looks so spooky.
@razor_ramon_
@razor_ramon_ Жыл бұрын
They sold cars worth of 4 billion dollars? Astonishing. But what is also astonishing, is than one Brunei's sultan has a car collection at 5 billions of dollars!
@Dennis_004
@Dennis_004 Жыл бұрын
@ 38:13 i thought the porsche carrear gt has a V10 engine?
@dehydratedvital
@dehydratedvital Жыл бұрын
it does 😂
@nickdavies19
@nickdavies19 Жыл бұрын
Porsche carerra GT is a V10!!! Not a V12. Hilarious.... these guys are great salesman and massive respect to their clear work ethic but have serious knowledge gaps.
@frequentflyer8297
@frequentflyer8297 4 ай бұрын
Love seeing success…. Well done
@ebbs0000
@ebbs0000 Жыл бұрын
I could be wrong but I am swore a Carrera GT is a V10??
@ianmuir7746
@ianmuir7746 Жыл бұрын
Correct
@Storm.Z.4u
@Storm.Z.4u 8 ай бұрын
The Son's Stories don't add up! He claims a guy sold him a Porsche as he needed the money urgently then took three days to buy a Ferrari but didn't need finance as he was in the finance industry !
@iconautomotive1094
@iconautomotive1094 Жыл бұрын
38:20 - A Carrera GT is a V10 not a V12 @Carl Hartley
@alastairwilson8105
@alastairwilson8105 Жыл бұрын
The guest you have had on over the last couple of months have been absolutely fantastic. Always a brilliant episode, keep them coming guys.
@Strikeitbig
@Strikeitbig Жыл бұрын
Glad you have been enjoying the episodes Alastair. Now we have the portable podcast set, we are really excited about the guests we are able to get on!
@snbala
@snbala Жыл бұрын
If you are a car lover, you don’t like Teslas. Damn right, a true petrol head will never own an electric car.
@jasonpatterson365
@jasonpatterson365 Жыл бұрын
A great podcast 👏🏿. People often ask me when enough is enough. Entrepreneurs don't stop we keep going, business people plan an exit. I'm the former.
@Strikeitbig
@Strikeitbig Жыл бұрын
Hi Jason, thanks for the great comment, please share the podcast with your friends. Thanks MT 😎
@peeloutcars
@peeloutcars Жыл бұрын
CGT is a V10 38:25
@businessofben
@businessofben Жыл бұрын
this guys really interesting, brilliant pod!
@Strikeitbig
@Strikeitbig Жыл бұрын
Thanks for leaving a comment Ben, that's what we do this for!
@jonathankidd3023
@jonathankidd3023 9 ай бұрын
CGT is a NA V-10. Shocked he had that wrong.
@RobinHood-us7sg
@RobinHood-us7sg Жыл бұрын
Mike Winnet
@paulwalker6297
@paulwalker6297 13 күн бұрын
How many more times can he say ... Tom Hartley ?
@gatissulainis7298
@gatissulainis7298 Жыл бұрын
I am wasting my life and time at work what I am doing.
@Strikeitbig
@Strikeitbig Жыл бұрын
There is always time to make a change!
@Rebelx27
@Rebelx27 Жыл бұрын
26:27
@Tingletangljan
@Tingletangljan 4 ай бұрын
The best in the world….you got Trumped
@Fip999
@Fip999 Жыл бұрын
Worlds richest? Every penny is backed by Bernie Ecclestone cash
@calumberry4099
@calumberry4099 Жыл бұрын
That’ll be his other son, not Tom Snr.
@zv8135
@zv8135 Жыл бұрын
Man, Tom Hartley is such a beast
@thomasdoherty5104
@thomasdoherty5104 Жыл бұрын
I understand it was a mistake but the Carrera GT has a V10 not V12, 38:10
@ebbs0000
@ebbs0000 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I'm 99% sure alright I think this guy's just talking shit like most car salesman
@leedstown
@leedstown 7 ай бұрын
Tom Hartley is the biggest big head
@jontennantcom
@jontennantcom Жыл бұрын
World Richest Supercar dealer ??? Oh come on . JC has sold $1billion worth of Ferraris and is probably regarded as The supercar dealer. Great content and keep up the fab content.
@adamwarburton5572
@adamwarburton5572 Жыл бұрын
Never heard of them.. 🤣
@ngbc5100
@ngbc5100 Жыл бұрын
John Collins - Talacrest
@jontennantcom
@jontennantcom Жыл бұрын
@@ngbc5100 yes. Tom Hartley deals with cars potentially worth a million pounds whilst JC deals with cars worth tens of millions. Toms other son seems to sell multi million pound cars but Snr never seems to mentions him .
@ngbc5100
@ngbc5100 Жыл бұрын
Yes I’m aware of both of them. Rumours have always been, that they fell out over money and JNR found himself a nice backer in the form of Bernie Ecclestone to build his business.
@auser1617
@auser1617 Жыл бұрын
@@ngbc5100 Yep this is very correct Bernie bank rolls him and Richard Mille
@guenthersteiner3311
@guenthersteiner3311 Жыл бұрын
His majesty revenue service is listening regarding transfer of car for watch
@Strikeitbig
@Strikeitbig Жыл бұрын
Hi Guenther, when you transfer goods it’s bartering so no tax, how ever when you sell the item you have bartered for you are liable for the tax on the profit. Thanks for watching.MT 😎
@ThePot80
@ThePot80 Жыл бұрын
@@Strikeitbig Great interview but wrong about tax on bartering. HMRC statement: "If you supply services or goods and receive other goods or services in payment, there are 2 separate supplies: a) the supply from you to your customer b) the supply from your customer to you You must account for VAT, and so must your customer if they’re VAT-registered. The VAT treatment is the same as for part-exchanges. You must both account for VAT on the amounts you would each have paid for the goods or services if there had been no barter and they had been paid for with money." The taxman doesn't barter and receives VAT in the same tax year. If you only paid tax on any profit on sale of the bartered item, it would be minimal. Because values for exchanged items must be at fair market value with any difference made up for in cash at the time of the deal. Otherwise the taxman will be suspicious of tax evasion. Keep up the great podcasts 👍
@ran2j722
@ran2j722 Жыл бұрын
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@Strikeitbig
@Strikeitbig Жыл бұрын
Thanks, please share with your friends. MT 😎
@millymanning1536
@millymanning1536 Жыл бұрын
I love the fact that Tom and Carl business partners. I think he obviously brings a lot to the business in terms of young blood and can push the business into the future. ❤
@Strikeitbig
@Strikeitbig Жыл бұрын
That’s why we wanted to get both Carl and Tom on the show, as it’s very similar to how me and Curtis operate our businesses. There is lots of hard work that goes on behind the scenes of big personal brands.
@rajroopra1291
@rajroopra1291 Жыл бұрын
Spoke to Tom a bout a car he was great down to earth . Loved that top man
@Strikeitbig
@Strikeitbig Жыл бұрын
Hi Raj, He is very cool with out even trying to be cool. Carl Hartley is alstroemeria a chip of the old block as well but able to push the business to a new audience via social media etc. Just like Curtis and my self, Tom and Carl are 50:50 partners. So great to be able to work with your son. Thanks for watching. MT 😎
@SwaghettiYoloneses
@SwaghettiYoloneses 10 ай бұрын
Don't judge a book by it's cover.
@atefazizenan3684
@atefazizenan3684 Жыл бұрын
Make more content like this! Take love ❤️ from Bangladesh 🇧🇩
@Strikeitbig
@Strikeitbig Жыл бұрын
You got it!
@paulwhite2533
@paulwhite2533 Жыл бұрын
Are Tom and Carl on good terms with Tom Jr?
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