Who has the better story than Logan's brother?

aka Greg 😂

aka Rom?

Only because they cracked too many Gregs

Shiv deciding at the last minute to vote for the sale was essentially Dany burning down King's Landing but not awful

Love this comment😂

He takes your job. That's what's next😊

Nice. That was a foreshadow right there

Nice pull

So.. Shiv is the chicken 😂 ? JK

Brilliant callback!

Please watch your language.

Sarah's ability to channel Brian Cox this season is remarkable. So many moments (including this one) make me truly believe she's his daughter.

@@TaylorTrask her facial expressions are so on point it's uncanny sometimes

@@lucasr406 if they ever wanted to reboot William Stryker as a woman in the new X-Men movies, just give the role to her. She'd both crush it acting-wise and give fans like me the warm blanket feeling of evoking Brian's original performance.

​@@TaylorTrask she resembles him the most, no wonder Matsson said she reminds him of Logan

Her acting is so underrated

I think the same

Not really. Shiv didnt want kendall to win. Theres no indication she wanted Tom to win. Even in the end she wasnt even holding Toms hand.

@@georgehernandez2156 but she was holding his baby lol

Kendall would ALWAYS voteagainstKendall. She’s a snake!

Nah i think she always wanted to win herself, with tom a CEO she can play still but with kendall as CEO she completly lose he always left her aside

you're right she sounds just like him!

Please watch your language.

With this and the election, Tom is Vader...but Lucas is the Emperor. I need to watch it again, because the finale had so many layers of writing, acting, reaching loosely to Lear and Murdoch's bunch. I think this finale will age nicely.

He's just Matsson's puppet though. Shiv said it when she said "Tom will suck the biggest dick in the room".

Absolutely, in the game of Succession Shiv is the winner over the siblings...... wife of the CEO still puts her at the head table at the end of the day Granted she has a life full of shredded relationships, but you don't make it to the top by being everyone's buddy...... at least not unless you're Tom

​@@legendbucwild Shiv built her own prison and I love it! Go Tom!

@@protostark5860 All three kids did themselves in at the end. People were rooting for Kendall, but in the first season when Logan popped his kid and he did nothing about it, that told me all I needed to know about him

Actually, I think what sets Tom apart from the Roys is that here there is no calculated risk, no big emotional gambit -- he tells Shiv that it's him because he thinks it's the right thing to do. You can see him wrestling with the guilt of keeping the truth from her again and finally coming clean because I think he understands that if he hides this from her and it's revealed by someone else, she will never trust him ever again; and it's simply not in his nature to be deceitful to her.

Tom is just a hore that every thing he get was for marry Shiv, he used, and then he took everything from her. Tom was THE EVIL, the worst thing that a woman can happen. This was not a happy ending.

Also, Tom was willing to make himself go to prison for that cruise scandal which thankfully he never done that. And who was the last person with Logan in the end? Tom! Also, Tom is prioritize the company over himself most of the time. He's also has enough with Shiv's BS.

@@margarethmichelina5146 Tom and Shiv, especially Shiv, did not always tell each other everything. I don't think Tom found that Shiv went to see the cruise-line sexual harassment victim. In a sense, she is as much involved in the cruise mess as he is. She tampered with witness, while he destroyed evidence.

Look at the way Shiv and Tom being interviewed by Mattson and also the way they pitched themselves. Shiv went with "Pick me, Pick me" energy but she's never telling Mattson specifically what she's doing on the company. All she did was telling him "You have to pick me just because I'm good." Even though Mattson knew she has no experience on the company. Also, she's pregnant, imagine having a pregnant CEO when she has to go on Maternity Leave for 2-3 months to take care of her baby, who's gonna be in charge on the company? She's never thinking of that as she's never looking herself on the future. Meanwhile, when Tom got interviewed, Tom told what he did on the company, he also said that he never slept well from past few days since Tailgate Party. He even missed Logan's funeral and stay at work. He is telling Mattson with a humility and he's willingly to be a pain sponge as he mostly being hurt by Shiv and her brothers many times. He's also talking to Mattson like adult while Shiv's talking to Mattson like a little girl who's begging for a toy. Mattson realized he's the one.

allegro bellicoso Pirates - Nicholas Britell honestly the music used in this episode was masterful

Spot on

Yeah, everything about it was great. Her delivery was spot on. She legit looked pissed off lol

Agreed. The "villain music." It literally made my stomach drop.

It added to much tension to the scene

Shiv never cared about tom. I think actors who plays knew their charcter better than us. Matthew clearly said she betrayed kendall nit to support tom

I thought so to she's gone with the safest option. Also as Roman said that way the Roy legacy is still kinda in the company with their baby.

Armstong literally confirmed she did it to spite the siblings. It wasn’t a calculated move, this isn’t a video game man

@Imafraid Jumitebeeinnagang u are overthinking it idiot. Macfayden (Tom's actor) said that "It was a visceral reaction to seeing her brother in the boardroom and thinking, I can’t bear him." She literally couldn't stand Kendall actin like a jackass in charge and voted against him. She wasn't weighing the benefits and costs during the hear of he moment

@@keysersoze5032 if you’re trusting Jeremy Strong to verify things not necessarily related to his character you’re wrong.

I dont think Tom telling Shiv that he's the one is this brilliant Loganesque move. Shiv had the votes to give it to Ken and obviously was pissed off at the reveal and became even more determined. Tom's confession was a desperate attempt to leverage the fact that Matsson's choice isn't some rando, but someone she knows and can benefit from, but then again she couldve also benefitted from Ken being CEO. I think it's pretty clear that most of Shiv's decision-making had to do with either Ken's arrogance or her wanting to burn it all down because she lost the job.

@@Iloovecereal Logan always made moves that helped him win. Tom learned from the best and knew that if he was just honest with Shiv (who like you said would want to burn it all down since she lost the job) would lean his way despite her anger. However, one could say that in the end Shiv did this just to keep her hand at the table in the long run and sealing out Ken and Rome for good.

@@cadenford1425 hmmm, i guess im having a hard time believing that Tom and Logan have that much in common. 😄I can't really think of many instances where Logan implemented honesty as a main tactic. Also, Tom got the job because he is subservient and has a good work ethic (which is probably one of the only things they have in common) Yes, Shiv did extend the olive branch to Tom at the beginning of the episode, which he may have used, but I don't think it was a given that Shiv would look past her anger and vote in Tom's favour. Yes, with Tom she still has a hand at the table, but getting an actual position at the company is more likely with Ken cuz he doesn't have to get approval from Matsson.

@@Iloovecereal yeah, I meant more of the idea that Tom “pulled a Logan” and made a successful move. Not so much that they have a lot in common. Tom played the long game in a sense and his play was honesty, while Logan was always more cunning and harsh. Both played to their strengths and did it well which helped them ultimately each have power when they wanted it most. Every kid tried to make their move to do this and couldn’t reach the finish line, so it goes to show how in a way the two are similar, yet so different. I do think that in the end, nobody out of the Roy family is really a winner from their own perspective (except Rome in a way, but ehh lol) regardless of how you look at it - which just shows how well done the writing really is. And yes, while I do think that Shiv would’ve have had an actual position with Ken in charge, she would’ve hated that and found a way to do what she does best and implode it for her own well-being 😂

wow true wow

and then he completely screws him.....oh wait.

Mother was mothering

​@@afonsordsTaylor Swift detected lol

Yeah a total fucking hypocrite lol

Please watch your language.

​@@emmapeelible We're discussing succession here 💀

I'm starting to think Mattson pushed him in that direction to inform her after she changed team

@@vasvas8914 It was Shiv who sealed the win for Tom by grossly saying to Matsson that Tom "would $%Hk anyone to get what he wants". Boom! That's when Mattson knew to hire Tom for CEO because Tom will not challenge him or his ideas. Tom will do as he's told and get the job done. Thanks Shiv! I LOVE TOM!

She might have gotten a new position

Also, Tom is doing something that none of the siblings have: Honesty. When he meets Mattson, he is being honest with no bullshit and gaslights and one more thing, showing how he put the company first and himself later. Tom is even skipping Logan's funeral and not sleep very well showing how he works harder than everyone. Kendall only copying Logan from his attitude but Tom is following Logan's footstep for not caring of any personal life.

@@Richard68434 MIGHT??!! Under Kendall, I think Stewy would end up running Waystar. Stewy is one of the people that I consider killers: Tom, Matsson and Shiv.

I think it’s a little more complicated than that. He knew she’d be picking between Kendall a him. And well.

If you look at Tom’s actions, you’ll see that he’s willing to do whatever it takes, but he does help the people he cares about, namely Shiv and Greg, arguably the two people he loves the most.

Yeah, he also got the job by being honest. He's a grinder, a hard worker, simply wants security not necessarily power...something i imagine Logan wanted when he was growing up poor. It's interesting how throughout the series, its mostly him you see working. He has his flaws but he is arguably the least nastiest of all the characters and you get a sense that he was a really good guy at one point. He is also the only one to show any hints of regret at getting Mencken voted in.

@@bluefilmsltd and he actually cried when Logan was dying. I knew it was going to be Tom and I'm happy that it came to be that he was the last one standing.

He was not at all sincere here. He was actually mirroring how she has treated him in all of the seasons. Tom has finally outplayed Shiv . . . Hence the scorpion gift. Shiv has always underestimated and belittled Tom. And this scene he outplays her again.

well hey no one cared that trump had no political experience

Her dad wanted her to get experience because he never wanted her to succeed or any woman for that matter. He had no problem giving Roman, who had far less working experience, a high position in the company.

⁠​⁠​⁠@@inessebastiao3887 roman worked at waystar studios with frank watching over him for an undisclosed period of time prior to the start of the series. that gives him at least a couple of years of management experience over shiv. might not be much in comparison to others like gerri or tom, but to say roman had “far less working experience” is just absurd.

They're all entitled. That's the point and none of them deserved anything

@@midgetwars1 facts they didn’t have the edge..that killainstinct in em

tbf even tom underestimated himself in this one. he thought he was going to get fired

She didnt underestimate tom, shes the one who made tom win

​@@ididntmeantoshootthatvietn5012 watch last episode again , looks like you didn't

Well, Siobhan did more or less sell/promote Tom's abilities, as she saw them, to Matsson, to wit: at Logan's funeral, where's your Tommy boy? Siobhan's reply: AT WORK. He's competent at his job; he's popular with his staff; he follows orders, He runs ATN, the corporate cash cow.

Please watch your language.

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥Playing dumb is the smartest thing to do most times!!

100%

He didn't "win". He'll be a lapdog beholden to Natsson.

Umm, he'll be CEO of Waystar Royco. Once you make it to the C suites you're pretty much set for life. Tom absolutely won.

@@teddykgb3865 True, he has finally achieved independent wealth, so it's a financial win for him. But the "winning" on this show was always about power and control.

*THEY* Most Definitely and Sincerely Do... So Memorably *OUTSTANDING* ❣ 🎬💯🎭...-💚*🙏🏼

And let's not forget SAGs and BAFTA TV as well!

​@@moisemensah8233bafta tv only applicable in Matthew's case

Agreed

Shiv doesn't want honesty. Shiv just doesn't want her brothers to have anything. Shiv only runs on the fuel of Spite.

I disagree with this. She wanted to win and she didn't want her bother's to win. It was easier to stomach Tom winning than her brothers.

She just changed her mind because she didn’t want Kendall to win. It wasn’t planned.

He really didn’t choose to be honest tho. She pulled his card, she caught on to him being sneaky and he kinda had to tell the truth. He’s a piece of shit but so is she.

Not really. Matson was the one who really won. Tom got the job because he will be perfectly servile to Matson.

Kendall isn't someone else. He is her brother. Their next generation could still run the company

@@Upsallauniversity123next generation did end up running it-technically.

@@Upsallauniversity123 the familys still in the company, toms an inlaw and shivs his wife and there kid will likely be in the company, and mattsons a logan type of guy he will further the company, kendall or roman will fuck the company and burn it to the ground nothing would be left with either of them running it, logan knew his kids didnt have what it takes to further his dream(waystar) which is y he chose mattson, when they met up at the end of season 3 u could see after a couple of mins of feeling eachother out that mattson and logan had a mutual respect for eachother

​@@willythekid7123 Tom is just an employee of the company. The family has no more control over it.

@@diamonddog13 yea but hes still in the company and he has a very important role and influence hes the face of gojo/waystar, cant forget greg either hes also family and hes toms right hand, they dont run the company like logan did but they are very important, in logans dream world he wanted his kids to run it but even more than that he wanted waystar and atn to have a future and grow and have hisnfamily in the company and he got both, mattson/tom/greg are way more likely to be succesful then ken/roman/shiv would be

And the "Youre fn pirates" speech music kicking in after she channels Logan there? Chef's kiss.

Please watch your language.

yeah, they have a weird thing going, very codependent to say the least.

That's why Tom also using his honesty when he got interviewed by Mattson which makes him a worthy CEO.

lots of people were rooting for tom. we kinda saw last season finale

It's more about the big secret being that Shiv wasn't going to be CEO, not who would be replacing her. Since she already knew that part, knowing it was him didn't really change anything strategically and telling her was better than having it be a surprise.

@@kyleowsen It added the hail mary that if shiv knew it was tom maybe there was a chance she would vote for him instead of voting to block the deal. Her also having his baby helps a bit with that too.

She locked her emmy in episode 3

She already won, both her and Matthew

@@JoaoVictor-yq8ym sarah never won an emmy for succession. Only matthew won his emmy last year. But maybe they locked their emmy in episode 3 for sarah and episode 7 for matthew

He wasn't gloating. He was going for a hail mary because of the leak. It was mentioned multiple times in multiple scenes before this that the siblings, in the end, would have an advantage because they are together. Tom knew that in order to get the vote, it was through divide and conquer. Shiv, from the beginning, was always excluded and pushed to the side by her two brothers. Tom figured she would never vote for either of her brothers because of this. Not to mention, she was carrying his child and she hinted that she still wanted to give their marriage a try. Tom saw this as an opportunity to mindfuck (a tactic mentioned a lot of times throughout the show) Shiv before a huge vote to create disruption and doubt. Masterful hand played by Tom here. He wasn't being careless. He knew what he was doing. That's why Shiv ended up in Tom's car in the end. She knew he beat her in a game she never thought he would be a serious contender in.

Its like he's been stabbed in the heart!

To be fair to Greg, he only knew Shiv wouldn't be the one. He didn't know it would be Tom.

Simultaneously Tom is proud of Greg for finally playing 'the game' to this extent. Hence he keeps him on board. Greg is a straight killer Tom inadvertently trained.

Greg didn’t know it would be Tom

​@@vasvas8914soprano reference?

Greg who lost his inheritence to greepeace, whose salary is going to cut to a tenth of what it was and who is basically Tom's plaything now ?

@@yc6018 very true maybe Wendy in Ozark is a better example

@@TimesFM4532oh man ! Dat was another great show

Tom is Matsson's bitch now. So Tom punished Greg, like he always does when he's upset. But sure, pretend Greg is the winner lmao

she owes Greg nothing, he literally ratted her out to ken . greg might have been always team kendal, since he was the most decent with him

I always thought they'd all lose.

man they truly could have went another season but I would rather end it here than have the show end on some mediocre piece of horse shit like game of thrones

I mean, they could've left the company in hands of them three and actually redeem their broken relationship. Instead, they ruined it for all three and she is just a trophy wife.

@@moonbeeps They were told previously that the 3 of them would not be allowed to run the company. Tellis told them in Barbados that Shiv was not acceptable. The three would have never worked. Too much emotional baggage.

I doubt it but if she did she knows where she can stick that respect hahaha she rungs below on the ladder

no she didn't

Yeah, nothing says respect like calling someone an empty suit.

@@teddykgb3865 lol i feel like ppl reach so hard in this show, sometimes the dialogue is what it is and not that deep

She never once treats him with respect, that's why this is great. Meanwhile, Tom knows how to be respectful and subservient, something none of them can do if they try. The siblings all thought that legacy was what Logan cared about most, but it wasn't. Logan only cared about being the richest dragon. So did Tom and Matsson. That's why they all succeeded where the siblings failed

Honorable mention for the balcony scene though, that was brutal

your giving shiv far Far too much credit she did NOT think that.

or she could divorce and still have a pretty large pool of pretenders to choose from. she doesn't need tom's money, his status just matched hers. why are people acting as she is willa or sm 💀. she will always be a roy

I agree, joining hands with Tom in the finale ensures, at least, a seat at the table, albeit no longer at the ends. I would not be surprised if she manipulates their relationship using their child as leverage

@@EarthenGames well she was wasn't her.. tom was always a wolf dressed as sheep until the end. but still she will always be privileged .. people forget she was about to aquire the pierce conglomerate and that she was the selling point for it . I mean she being a billonaire isn't a disagreement point it's pretty much a fact... but yeah whatever dude

@user-vq7wr9up6l well that's more of a personal impression i think. for me, i thought his smile was bittersweet, like a " we could had have it all" moment. specially knowing he was drinking gerri's favorite drink . i think he might be the sibling more inclined to move forward tho

It was Matsson who won, because he owns the company. Tom is just his empty suit puppet.

He suffered first but won against them in the end

WTF you smoked? He was an ass kisser the whole show.

Is she, though? She knows enough about the company to act as a silent partner alongside Tom in guiding the company. What we saw here was Shiv drawing her brothers into pulling together the numbers to _try_ to keep the company in the family - knowing, of course, that she was going to pull the rug out from under the whole thing because she had another ace in her hand - Tom.

YES I WOULD HAVE LOVED THAT

Same but it does fit the show that we dont know..because it starts and ends with the kids relationships with their fathers company. Since all 3 got axed theirs really no point to show the after of it all. Probably would’ve just been nothing of sadness and despair.. even though they all got a billion lmaooo.

yea they were all pretty much clowns. Roman was a total joke. Shiv was too emotional and got played by people constantly throughout the series. And Kendall you would think would be good, but the guy was a complete basket case at times there is no way he should have been in charge either.

It does show that, and the inside the episode touches on it also. Roman goes back to the rich guy at the bar, living aimlessly as before. Shiv becomes Tom's wife, choosing power adjacent over nothing. Kendall reflects on himself with melancholy, he might start some new company or continue with 100 thieves (or whatever that was), but he'll never achieve anything like his father's company in his lifetime. Destiny lost.

Uh, did you watch the rest of the episode?

Did you miss the part where Shiv betrays them after this and Kendall physically assaults Roman after Roman taunted him about his kids?

lots of us saw it coming

@@KingMinosxxvi Well ovbiously I was incapable of seeing that far ahead then. 🤷‍♂️

don’t bet on it. any child logan would have had, he would have them fucked up. also, tom is a suck-up, the likes of him and greg are logan’s legacy, because that’s the only thing that grows near him, people who suck up to shit in order to survive. no one with vision survives and no one gets to evolve or develop a vision. same with mattson, except he would probably just ignore his kids, if he’d ever have any. logan takes care of logan.

His suit could not have been that empty. She has got nine months of growth.

In the long run shiv probably saved Kendell, he probably would have failed as CEO and that would have definitely ruined him. He'll probably bounce back do his own thing with the billions he just got from the deal

@@reidgrant7036 yes but as kendall said- he is a cog just for this machine. Shiv should’ve known that. Kendall has nothing now. Nobody. No one. This has completely broken him.

The best part of it really!

She likes him broken. Just like her dad.

Nah she just couldn’t stomach Kendall

This has more to do with being sidelined each time by her siblings regarding who would be CEO. Tom taking the role adds a nice convincing touch to it, but it is in no way the sole reason for it.

​@@aliciasantillan8072 Correct

​@@sagarthegreatable Nope. She just hates everyone and herself. Shiv is why we can't have nice things.

We all want what we don't have. Us non-billionaires want to pay our bills, support our loved ones, and be comfortable, and overcoming the barriers to that gives us purpose. The billionaires have no purpose, so they're fighting over the chair because it's the one thing they can't have.

That's why Tom ultimately made CEO. He doesn't want a legacy, he's perfectly happy being a forgettable puppet if it means financial security for the rest of his life. The siblings wanted to be the next Logan, they never realized Logan's legacy was irrelevant to him. He only ever cared about the money, just like Tom.

@@Mwstmrlnd Idk if Logan cared about the money, he just wanted to f***ing win every chance he got. Tom is motivated more by fear of losing. Still better than the kids though who had zero self-motivation.

hm but nothing towards tom for staying silent when mattson said the most horrible misogynistic things about her? they were playing the game, that's all it is, it's nothing personal. they put each other down to display their unemotional unbiased subservienxe.

@@patheticgirl1000 he didn't defend her honor cus there was none left to defend, she killed every reason for him to be chivalrous. It is incredibly personal. Shiv was ready to unabashedly backstab everyone of her family to get her way. Tom said just enough to get the job done, he listened quietly, he wasn't just waiting to speak, he actually sincerely listened to orders.

@@shadow_realm47 shiv WAS willing to backstab everyone in her family you're right. but she would do it for tom. that's what she did when they were choosing the scapegoat for cruises and thats what she did in the finale too. obviously tom is hurt by her constantly disrespecting him in front of others which makes sense. but from the finale we can see that he understands exactly what she means when she puts him down. its not just about her honor, but his own. mattson telling tom to his face that he wants to fuck his pregant wife is blatant disrespect for him, his wife and his child. we know that tom hadn't completely lost his desire for her in his life since he took her back at the end, so mattson saying that was absolutely a hit to his and his family's honor. but he didn't say anything because he understood the game.

The irony Is she did it, the wrong way, at the end. Same outcome, but instead of a possibily loving marriage she ends up with a broken one.