Nice job! Wonder if anyone else interested in GLQuake?

I will never grow tired from seeing the CPU drop in to socket clips. Never stop showing that to us. Absolutely love every one of these moments.

The Pentium Overdrive is cool as a product. It was a really great way of extending the lifespan on a 5V only 486 system back in the day, and for tasks that hit the FPU it could be way faster than any other socket 3 CPUs. But today, with pricing and such, I'd much rather just go AMD 5x86, even running it at stock 133MHz. To me, having a retro system I can just boot up and it runs, no stability issues, no finickyness, is the way to do it.

for those who have these; a large portion of them have contained ball bearings that you can replace, they drop out when you remove the c clip on the fan spindle, and then the fan blade assembly. its an 8mm od 3mm id and i think 4mm thick to retain the right depth. they're stainless steel sealed units. so if your overdrive fan is making noise, but still works, you might try buying some higher quality replacement bearings to drop in.

those power pins powering the fan are awesome, had no idea about them. intel: maximum engineering originality....back in the days

Nice to see the OverDrive reunited with its fan :-). Very interesting results.

1:18 love that shot 👌🏻

Just wake up. See this . Take a coffee . Gone see this and smile.

I have a podp5v83 in my retro pc, it was originally a dx2-66 and this was a massive upgrade for it. This machine lives in the cabinet my TV sits on, it can happily be used as a dos mp3 player with 320kbit 44.1khz stereo with mpxplay, cpu utilization sits around 50%. Be interested to see how the 486 class cpus perform.

I think award bios was my fave, just looked nice

1:17 lol, I feel like Vader getting his mask.

Long awaited video. When I was building a retro 486 platform years ago, I only had a DX2-66 CPU. I ended up buying a series of overdrives, including overpriced boxed ones, because I wanted to make sure they weren't duds, after my first upgrade didn't work out. Turned out the board had no overdrive support at all. It was too old. DX5 was the only other processor to run fine, but BIOS detected it as 120MHz instead of 133MHz, despite benchmarks all confirming proper operation at the correct frequency. A POD 83MHz I've got in the process, ended up being a wasted purchase, so I bought one more 486 motherboard. Proper one this time. I haven't benchmarked it yet though, so I don't know how it compares to the DX5.

Interesting benchmarks

My friend had one of these things in a socket 3 laptop. It was ridiculous. he couldn't close the case because of it but the performance was better :D

Informative and relaxing series to watch 😊 would like to try the same tombraider on my old socket7 winchip now

That fan/heat sink design is neat!

I think you hit the nail on the head as to why the Pentium Overdrive is now hard to find and wasn't a huge success when it was released. The cost was too high to justify the ok performance in most applications and games back in the day. There are certain cases where it does perform very well, FPU heavy workloads for example. But unless you had a specific need for that a Cyrix or AMD solution would cost you far less and often give you better performance on "regular" tasks. Also, 5V to 3.3V in socket adapters did exist back then. I used one in my own 486 PC as it had a mainboard that only supported 5V CPUs.

Your thumbnail game is unmatched. Great video!

BTW, with the pentium overdrive you can actially install Windows XP on ist, because Windows XP needs just a Pentium which means: any pentium, even the overdrive ones works. There was some guy in Germany which ran Windows XP on an underclocked pentium overdrive with only 8MHz with some tricks!

TY.(my firts cpu IDT WINCHIP 200MHz(, compare to pentium 200 MHz, IDT was "celeron"..).

And yet another outstanding piece of work. Great video in a fantastic series, thanks again. Intel probably knew why they never sold an Overdrive 100. What software was used to display the frame counter on Tombraider?

Great video thanks! I have all of these cpus except the overdrive only because it is Very hard to find and expensive these days.i would love to see some glquake results also and some test with a verite v1000 card

Very solid benches! The POD is very powerfull when the fpu is used. In integer taks its weak point is the low clockspeed as you saw after pushing it to 100MHz. And because of this and the high prize the normal consumer opt für the DX4 or the AMD X5. Because MHz is king. Hello P4! ;-) BTW: The animated Lara part was "whooo"!

I prefer the POD 83 because I had one back in the day

Outstanding video. I remember reading on VOGONS over a decade ago that roughly 10% of the Pentium 83mhz overdrives would run at 100mhz and I did not even consider the stability of it even if it POSTed at 100mhz. Same story, over 10 years ago, before the cursed Vintage Computer category on ebay, I got my vile meat hooks on at least eight Pentium 83mhz Overdrives(one of which is new SEALED in box hehe. The plastic wrap on the box even says Intel), two 63mhz, two 133mhz Socket 4 Overdrives and someone gave me a 486 tower that happened to have a Pentium 83mhz Overdrive that was already clocked at 100mhz! (big HOLY FUCK moment when I booted into the BIOS of that one). Now I am wondering how many of my 83mhz are actually FULLY stable. Thank you again for this detailed look into the stability of this amazing CPU. Oh, for me I always prefer the Pentium Overdrive to any AMD because of drooling for years to have any kind of Pentium back in the early '90s and having a frugal father who only got us budget family stuff. U.U By the way, I LOVED that animation of Lara holding the Pentium Overdrive. If I could have had any kind of Pentium years before we finally got our P133 socket 7, it would have been like an angel giving it to me and that is what Lara looked like in that animation. I LOVE it!

I have a socket 2 system as my only 486 so I rely on the Overdrive chips as they're 5V only. I never noticed that much difference between the PODP 83MHz and the DX4 Overdrive at 100MHz. For nostalgia's sake, I tend to keep the DX4 in there.

I’ll take the lower clocked, more exotic Pentium Overdrive because: 1. Still superior in Quake; 2. anything that is optimized for the p5’s FPU will perform very well, clock for clock; 3. it just looks cooler and fills out all four rows of pins on that socket; 4. I was promised “Pentium Overdrive” upgradability and by god I’m gonna have my pentium overdrive upgrade! Granted, my reasons may not be the best reasons, but they are reasons.

Good job with pushing a humble POD to (likely) the limit ❤ I presume only crazy fiddling with the integrated voltage regulator on the base of the POD would (riskily) yield a better result, I wonder if there was someone brave enough 😅

Seems like the Pentium OD is being held back by the lower clockspeed and system bus. Would be interesting to see what a faster Pentium could do on a socket 5 or 7 system with 66mhz bus.

Personally I would prefer a Socket 7 motherboard over a Socket 3. A 386 DX 40 for old DOS games and a Socket 7 for 90s games.

Testing Quake is a must to see if it really delivers better performance when using the FPU compared to the other CPUs

@BitundBolts If Socket3 was my only option, then a Pentium overdrive would be my choice because of the FPU. Even back in the day, games were not the only thing one would be doing with a PC and the FPU would be very desirable if one could not afford a newer Socket5/7 platform. But that was back in the day. Today, for retro gaming, you are absolutely correct, the AMD with the 160MHZ OC is the way to go. Personally, I would go for a Socket 7 based system with a Pentium MMX 233 or K-6 as they are still easy to find, not very expensive and very simple to OC.

I was lucky and picked up a POD83 on Ebay a bit over a decade ago that was sold damaged with all of the pins having a bow in them. I forgot what I paid for it, but it was cheap, under $20. After the pins were straightened, it worked fine. It sort of looked like the previous owner had it in a LIF socket and pried it out incorrectly from just one side. It's not a CPU I'd recommend for a retro machine because it's temperamental and motherboard support is dodgy. The only purpose of the CPU is if you need the Pentium's stronger FPU, in all other cases, fast Am5x86 CPUs overclocked to 160 MHz is a far better option, and it won't cost you an arm and a leg.

Great video but I espect more from the Pentium OverDrive... Saludos desde Venezuela.

8:46 its cooler splash!

Maybe someone could do a 3d model of the fan so one could replace it with a generic fan + 3d printed clips. It's a niche use, but could be very usefull in a retro hw community.

If I get around fixing the battery damage on my socket 3 motherboard I will probably use a P83od, mainly because I have one that i bought in the nineties and the only other cpu options i have are dx4 100

I think the only benefit of a Pentium Overdrive or any other 586 was the ability to run new software optimized for Pentium. No one else would have bought it if they advertised it in a realistic way like: "buy an expensive temporary solution this year and buy this year's real product in two years when it is already outdated so we can sell you our next expensive temporary solution, rinse and repeat" A Pentium Overdrive was really worthless for gaming if you had to reuse the 200 MB hard drive, the 8 MB of RAM and the SVGA with 256 colors at 800x600.

Would have liked to see a DX4 100 from Intel included, because IIRC that beat the Pentium in performance so it should also beat the overdrive as well. At least the engineering samples I saw back then did but I never got to see a production unit comparison.

The fan assembly is very cool but as you said, a nightmare to replace!! I see the fan is just a 5V one, would it be possible to just solder a 3-wire fan to that pad and fool the CPU?

The overdrive is probably bettter in the end as it will benefit from the pentium optimizations that were included in some games like Quake but I do not know how big that list of games will be. A very fast 486 with a high system bus speed will benefit almost everything. Really is a hard choice to make. A stock overdrive does have the advantage of not needing to deal with overclocking problems. But it will be a rare part so a 486 system is probably easier to do

Im guessing Intel just wanted socket 3 to go away by the time the OD was introduced. It made no sense at the price point to buy a neutered p54 on a slow 486 fsb, even more so with such a low clock frequency. I bought a motherboard and 5x86-133 in late 1996 for around $100USD that at 150mhz would hold it's own fairly well, and was 33% the asking price. A year or so later, the prices on a real socket 5 with a p54 120 were cheap enough to leave the 5x86 behind at that point, and atill probably less than the cost of that OD chip.

The 83MHz Pentium Overdrive gave my 486sx/33 new life back when it was new. But it made for a far less expensive update than buying a new computer. Bonus, my system (NCR 3230) left the 486sx in it's socket when the POD was installed in the expansion socket. I was quite surprised to see a second socket (open). I wonder if the two processors were both in use at any time or if there was a function to use the preferred CPU? I still have the unit (and OverDrive installed) for old MS-DOS & Windows 3.1 games. I have an IBM Stealth S78 200Mhz (non-MMX) for Win95 & Win98se gaming).

Huh, I would have expected a clearer victory for the venerable PODP (in Tomb Raider, paired with the Voodoo 1). I guess there just wasn't that much more in it with the fps cap and it's still impressive when factoring in the respective release dates. There would still be something (quite reasonable) left to do to further increase frame rates in a 9th part though - replacing the Voodoo 1 with a Voodoo 2. 😉 I think it would be very interesting to see how much the slower CPUs benefit and which combinations can achieve parity.

I've no opinion on which is better, but I'd be curious if there's a way to tweak the voltage regulator on the Overdrive to give the CPU just a tad bit more voltage - might make it run stable at 100MHz. Also, would it be possible to increase the bus frequency, thereby increasing the resultant speed with the stock multiplier?

Just FYI, the fan is not exactly the original one from the POP5V83. This black and white one is found on socket 7 Overdrives instead. Socket 3 ones have a blue Intel Overdrive logo.

I upgraded my 486 machine (AM5x86@133 with 48M RAM, Trident VLB 2M VRAM) to an Pentium 100 with 48M RAM and S3 PCI with 2M VRAM. The difference was amazing. Games like Anno 1602, Quake, played way way better and Starcraft was finally playable. When I upgraded to P@166 the difference was huge. So yes, at the time I would liked to have it and gave it a try with my 486 machine, maybe I would not upgraded to an Pentium (the main reason was to play Starcraft) but now, my opinion is, as Phil say "slower is better". However, I still am a bit curious: how could have performed my 486 machine with this CPU, running Win95 and playing the games that I enjoyed then. And I have to say that I tweaked my computer to squeeze the max performance that it could give.

What do you use to generate a graph with Voodoo FPS ? I'm curious ..

I keep wondering if there's more than 1x and 2.5x multipliers with some tricks by shorting some of the pins on the other side of the ZIF socket. The limiting factor with these seems to be the memory bus speed (given pentium was supposed to be 64bits wide externally for 32bit internal). Would be quite interesting to see speeds between 83mhz and 100mhz if possible on 40 or better 50mhz FSB. GIven it's hitting FPM ram also, it's slower than EDO (5-15%) and again slowing that vital FSB transfer rate shoveling instructions to the instruction pipeline. ..just tyre kicking and thinking. Might dig mine out and go experiment.

this topic was answered decades ago 486 3d no, pentium1 3d yes. 486 is ms dos only. while pentium1 win95 is game changer for 3d

I played tomb raider 1 on a 486DX2 66 MHz in the lowest resolution

Nice video! Care to share few words how you created the thumbnail please?

Hello my friend, I can´t hold my self in asking, what if you try to achieve 100mhz but with a 33 X 3 configuration, maybe it could be more stable than the 2.5 X 4. Greetings. Don´t wanna forget to mention that I am addicted to your videos, keep the great work coming !!!!!

Somewhere around 1996 or 1997 I found one at a yard sale for $1. I never benchmarked it but it was notably faster than my Cyrix 486@80MHz. It made games like Duke3D run smooth and even made Quake just about playable. I never tried 100Mhz, as it was a 63Mhz part that I had already OCed to 83Mhz. Btw, did you try a higher voltage? Looks like it really wanted to be stable at that speed...

I’d like to see an all-around 100MHz shootout. DX/4,5x86,cyrix,pentium,mmx,etc 😎🎸

Yay ... had been waiting for this, since I have a very similar setup. Can you list your full BIOS settings? I've seen high 73 scores with POD100 CPUs in Speedsys, but no 74. Also prefering the POD, as I got mine for cheap, it is (was) a barely appreciated CPU back when I got it, found it a decent challenge to play back mp3s without stutter at a decent bitrate and finding a mainboard without issues (SOYO seems to a great choice, ASUS is a bit faster but not without issues). Depending on the budget and/or patience to wad through piles of potentially broken hardware, the drama known as retro capitalism and usecase I agree an AMD 5x86 will very likely be a better choice for most people.

I would prefer the POV, it's nonetheless a CPU with newer architecture for Skt 3

Shouldn’t there be another P in the model number? I sold a boxed PODP5V63 not too long ago. The inner CPU itself was still sealed! I found it at Goodwill many years earlier.

Maybe you could bypass the onboard VRM of the CPU and do a slight voltage rise! 0.05V - 0.1V might be enough to be stable @100MHz. Just keep an eye on the temperature.

Maybe its the chipset fault for the instability since Pentium pushes more data around.Try adding some heatsinks on chipset and some cold airflow over the motherboard.

I think i still have a Pentium PRO somewhere in the shop, no board for it though...

I would pick the Cyrix CPU, because I think it is the most interesting processor of the pack. ☺️ Is it possible to put a bit more voltage into the POD to make it more stable?

I'm curious if modding the CPU could make it stable? Possibly remove the stock heatsink, fan and voltage regulation. Replace the heatsink and fan with a more robust solution to keep it cool and build an external voltage regulator with an adjustable voltage pot. Maybe just a little more voltage and superior cooling could get that thing stable at 100mhz. Possibly use the Socketblaster project as a starting base for the project and mod the project and chip to work together. I've seen people use the adjustable voltage of the Socketblaster to get some cpus stable with just a slight voltage tweak. I know the stock look of the Pentium Overdrive was important for you. For me it's about the performance. I would just love to see one of these stable at 100mhz. Maybe someone someday will pull it off.

If the multiplier can be lowered, would 80/40 be better than 83/33, giving away a little MHz for a better bus speed, or a more extreme 75/50. Also, give it a chance to blast the competition away.... Quake! Pentium class FPU smashes 486 class FPU

Is this the highest we can go or there's something else?

A bit disappointed by poorly OC capabilities but POD per mhz is a beast

The AMD 5x86 is the least fancy and flashy of those high end socket 3 CPUs but at least in my region the easiest to obtain, by far. So I would go AMD to make my life easy.

Well, this POD now has at least one fan. Ba-dum-tsss

Can we see 3dfx mod or repair videos in future ?

I don't suppose you feel like investigating the built in voltage regulator of the Overdrive to see if you can give it a tiny little bit more power? probably not :)

Hi Top Video und Tests. Ich sehe du hast auch das Soyo 4 Saw 2 Board. Ich habe auch diese board und ein Bios Update vorgenommen mit der WA0911 Version. Er Booten beim Einschalten 1 mal Danach nie wieder. Habe den Flash mehrmals neu geschrieben, aber immer dasselbe problem. Die WA53 Version funktioniert immer. Woran kann das liegen. Was ist der unterschied bei den Revisionen vielleicht des Boards? Leider kann ich nur bis 8GB IDE anschliessen, oder kann ich das WA53 auch bis 128GB Support modden ? Ansonsten weiter so mit diesen tollen content!!!!!!! Top und Danke

Was given that exact model back in the day and was lucky enough to get it to 110 (44×2.5) on an crappy ABIT board iirc. On other boards it would only reach 95 (38×2.5). This was strange as ABIT boards were usually total trash. Soon swapped for a better performing AMD CPU though as like you found, performance was disappointing overall.

I love your content! But I can't help smiling at the intonation of your words :D At the end of almost every sentence you lengten the last syllable. Channellll... Scrapyarrd... Anyy... appearrrd... onlyy... iit... and so on... I love it! :D Don't ever change!

You mentioned for tomb raider it's better to get a Pentium system... No argument there however what I am curious about is how the POD on socket 3 compares to the early Pentium cpus like the original P60 or a P75 for example

Amd-x5-133 is true 486 cpu, its more appropriate for socket 3, unlike pentium overdrive, its not true 486 cpu, its stripped-down pentium.

i would rather have a high clocking 486/586 or those weird mutant ones that run at 266 LOL

Indiana Jones and the golden pins

I'd rather have a good 486 than a bad pentium for the games that suit it.

640x480 only become silky smooth with pentium 3. And a faster one like 800mhz. Later DOS games only play fast enough on fast pentium 3 (using only software). Thats why you needed voodoo cards for this systems. Pentium 3 was already fast enough to not need 3d acceleration.

Want to test first Pentiums - use Quake 1 (software).

but does it have the infamous FDIV bug?

Just doesn’t make sense to force a Pentium onto the 486 platform, I’d rather run the AMD unit and save Pentiums for a proper Pentium board where it can really shine.

Why you did'n do a volt mod for CPU??? ((

Wait, why couldn't you just solder a typical fan to those pins and just use threaded screws to hold it in place?

its a great cpu your limits seem to be ram 🤓

I just don't overclock old PC, this is non sens to me as you can use another one faster. Even if it made some sens in the past it does not currently. I have overdrives too, but never bother testing them. I prefer to code optimized stuffs for a 486/66 than overclocking it to do the same.

That CPU has LGA "3" 😆 or is it technically the fan?

486 isn't worth playing in software mode. With a Pentium it's at least an option.

so you needed a real Pentium 60 to run this stable 30 fps?

Great video! 🙂 PS: I hope this is the end of the AI thumbnails 😅

I prefer higher clocked AMD, because I am AMD fanboy. :D Intel and his marketing gimmicks made me always angry, especially suing AMD for 386 architecture reverse engineering. Argh.

strange to see a youtuber not trying to capitalize on the remaster with a clickbaity tittle like ``TOMB RAIDER on a PENTIUM`` or smth like that

Pushing that thing down directly on the pins was painful to watc 1:30