Well to some extent Yes. But if you think of it more simply than these advanced jazz players are able to explain, you're really not going to go further than 8 strokes in a row per hand or foot. I hope that helps.

So true. So much to explore

The more learn on the kit, I realize the less I know.

cos hes playin it with the tony williams technique :D

And that ride cymbal!

That's Peter's kit.

Patience Perseverance and love for the drums and you can find the way

Rockers excel at singles for everything! Jazzers excel at doubles and singles!

Yes This is the "Push Pull" technique. that's exactly what its called but with much greater detailed learning steps. Come to study with me I will teach you the exact steps to learn this method www.joeyscrima.net I learned it from the great teacher Chuck Brown in Oakland, CA

How's it coming?

@@Odthean I’ve unfortunately not been able to practice as much as I was when I made this post but I did manage to get it. I’m still nowhere as smooth as the guy who did the tutorial let alone Tony Williams but the repetition paid off. The left hand is a whole different story though.

@@dannnnydannnn5201 Well I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you find more free time in the future. Are you able to play any uptemo ride patterns in general? 250 bpm - 300

also - i like lessons and all - but really all i want to hear is just someone playing the drums ...

and that goes for any drum clinic - i just want to hear a drum set concert ...

I agree, this doesn't sound like Tony. To my ears and eyes, tony used his fingers but his heavy use of his hand gave him a very fat sound, he didn't rebound much. Philly Joe practiced on pillows. Tony did the same thing from what I know. Not to take away from the lesson, it great. but more of a Joe Morello thing I think

@@workatprince1 Tony taught me to use hold the stick in the right hand with the back two fingers, pretty much like you see in his Zildjian Day video. In fact, everything he taught me as far as technique is what he demonstrates in that video, it's very simple, yet difficult at the same time (he would have me do full strokes with the dynamics of tap strokes, for control, for example). There were no fingers or rebound at all, you made every stroke with the hands/wrist. The approach to the ride cymbal: the position of the cymbal was very important, the bead of the stick (yes they were the mammoth Tony Williams Zildjian 2B's lol) hit to hit the bow of the cymbal in the right spot to draw the sound out, and again you held the stick with the back of the hand. The pattern was of course the "spang spang a lang" pattern (not the 5 pattern at first), and on the "lang" part, you pulled the stick back almost to wear you hit yourself in the head with the stick (Tony said this was just to show you were doing it right lol), then repeat the pattern and so forth. Again, this is all in that vid, anyone who studied with him at Don Sfarz'os Drum World in San Francisco would attest to it (this was I think back in '94, forgive me it was that long ago), and almost every video I see trying to teach the "Tony Williams Ride Technique" have it all wrong, as again he literally played the ride cymbal with my arm, holding my wrist and moving the stick and my arm back and forth to the ride while standing behind me while I was on the practice room kit. The ride used in the kit was a Zildjian 22" K Custom Dark ride, just to be specific. Tony then got behind the kit, played the ride at blazing tempo, looked at me in a manner almost bored (like he was reading a newspaper) while playing it and said "I can do this all day". It was that awesome.

@@drumroll420 thank you this is fascinating. You should post a video showing this

@@workatprince1 Just watch Tony's Zildjian Day clinic video, or any of his vids on KZfaq. I spent a lot of money to study with him, it was worth every penny, but I am not of mind to give out free lessons on social media lol. That vid pretty much explains it anyway. There is a cat here on KZfaq who demonstrates "The Tony Williams Technique" that pretty much has what Tony taught accurate, and all he did was watch that vid. You could practice on pillows, the rudiments anyway, which Tony even pointed out during my first lesson. There was no rebound, you made every stroke. People can take my word, or not.

@@drumroll420 selfish

Think it’s called slide but I’m not sure ahaha

Jon Richt I agree, I see what he’s saying about learning the technique (practice is all about muscle memory) but surely this technique is not physically possible at slow tempos