You’ve now unlocked a new fear: having my camera stolen after photographing a wedding

Maybe it has dual output gain; high gain for shadows and low gain for mid-tones and highlights

Flash sync!! Nobody seems to mention this. It’d be great to have a higher synch speed

There are specs that say the R5 has 14.6 EV for dynamic range. I think it is more plausible that however that measurement was reached is the same way they are getting 16 for the rumor.

That dynamic range would be huge.

Now tell us the truth you and Chelsea already have it in your hands?

Built-in memory sounds nice, but only if it is switchable. You need to be able to replace it after a few years.

I’m looking forward to some of the subtle enhancements seen in Canon’s recent offerings - improved battery life, no 30min record limit, reduced rolling shutter, the ability to select slower burst shooting (R5 in electronic shutter is either Single shot or full 20fps, nothing in between!), maybe a quicker way to switch between photo & video like the switch on R6 ii. I agree that for cameras to succeed in today’s market, the wireless connectivity needs to get MUCH faster and the app connection needs to be way more stable!

you can buy a used A1 for $4200 and have been able for couple of years. Are there R5M2 features that make it significantly better than A1?

It’s a shame that a 2024 $4000 camera is not smart. I want computational photography capabilities that rival the iPhone 15 Pro’s. Particularly the ability to blend 100s of images pre and post clicking the shutter, masking in and out portions of each image to produce a single RAW with insane DR. No excuse for not having that in 2024 in any camera. I also want an iOS operating system in addition to all the smart features that you mentioned.

I would like menu systems that not only work in vertical orientation but upside down. Macro photographers often invert the camera on the tripod. Upside down should be a no-brainer even easier to implement vertical orientation.

I want all the other aspects he mentioned, security, wifi that doesn’t suck, encryption, menu usability enhancements, before an additional 10 frames per second and slightly better autofocus. He’s mentioned this over and over and is correct. Why can’t we lock our camera, even something as simple as a button combo to unlock would be very welcome. Id be happy with power on, and hitting FN1 3 times and ok on the back 1 to unlock or whatever combo we want, ability to register the camera serial with the manufacturer and a authentication to unlock it if we forget what the combo was leaving it on a shelf for 6 months. This gear is very expensive and it’s insane we don’t have security aspects to prevent theft at this point.

Re the possibility of 16 stops with software - how is this "smartphone technology never before offered by Canon" different from the HDR mode on my 70D from 2013 where 3 different exposures are captured as fast as possible and combined in camera ? I'm sure that a new camera would do it better, but isn't it basically the same thing ?

Please give us GPS, I had it on my 7DII, with the R5, I had to go back to putting a GPS receiver in the hot shoe. Using a cell phone is unreliable and uses too much battery. Extra dynamic range will be wonderful.

Lower base ISO? Modern Wi-Fi speeds? YES, YES!

Not worth the upgrade for me. I’ve told people the current R5 competes with the Sony A1 and Sony people are offended. As someone who loves Sony as well, I tell people NOT to be offended just to know that most of you won’t notice the difference and neither will your clients at 45 vs 50 megapixels. Same is said for the Z9 and Z8. No one can tell the difference. You can’t tell the difference between stacked sensor vs non-stacked. And if you want to talk about rolling shutter, flicker and other things, just use the mechanical shutter and it eliminates that issue (and yes reduces the frame rate but no one cares). So these minor changes don’t mean anything to me. I might still get it because I need to update my back up camera and I could make this my primary and my current R5 my backup. But other than that, all these updates are non factors for me. And the R1 seems great, but the only thing that would interest me is if it’s 16 bit color depth.

Thanks Tony - you just saved me $4k. I'm going to continue to shoot with my iPhone.

About that Dynamic Range figure of 16? Almost certainly that's 'Video' dynamic range, not 'Still Image' dynamic range! The difference... Posted Still Image dynamic range is generally measured stopping at a black floor Signal-to-Noise-Ratio (SNR) of 1:1, where the black/shadow image data and noise data reach parity; i.e. image data and noise data are equal. Conversely, Posted Video dynamic range is generally measured stopping at a black floor Signal-to-Noise-Ratio (SNR) of 1:2, where the black/shadow noise data is *2 times* the image data. The reason?... In video we normally view a stream of image frames, and the human eye/brain interprets this as continuous. The effect is that the frames somewhat blur together, which helps to reduce the visual appearance of noise; we just don't perceive the noisiness as much. That's why video dynamic range is generally expressed as better than still image dynamic range on the same camera and in the same conditions.

Interesting... seems to be more features than I expected... thanks a lot... now I have to work this into my budget.

Imagine being able to speak to your camera to change settings between shots, once it has trained on your voice and finger print.

4:33 Also they misuse the term EV. It should be LV. LV measures the light. EV is just the combination of the shutter speed and the aperture. With ISO 100 you should expose a specific LV value with the same EV value.

I'll keep my R5 m1 .. its all I'll ever need !

6:04 A pixel doesn't store light. The well capacity is a measure of how much charge can be stored, which only indirectly is a measure of how much light a pixel has "captured." Consult your favorite solid-state physics or modern semiconductor devices textbook for a fuller discussion.

The anti-theft sounds like a great idea on paper, and maybe it needs to start someplace, but how would it work in practice? You buy a new camera with some anti-theft device - some thief comes up and grabs it (or takes it from your car, whatever) then they run away. When they get home they open up the camera bag, realize they can't sell it, and throw it in the dumpster. You still don't have a camera and have to buy another one. Yes, it is nice to know that your images will not show up someplace but you are still going have the hassle of police reports, insurance claims, ordering a new camera etc. So... yes we need to get the ball rolling, but until all of the other non-anti-theft cameras are off the street EVERY camera is a target to get stolen. Maybe we could just focus on making it harder to sell stolen cameras?

We’re talkin’ about caaahhhmras man! - Gerald Undone

Planning to upgrade to an R5mk2 from my R6 once the R5-2 is available. Agree on most of the usability features, but if they do add internal memory I hope they don't remove the 2nd card slot. If there's a problem with a memory card its easy to swap to another card... if there's a problem with internal memory, thats likely to be an expensive repair. Also if you fill up the internal memory you can't swap it out to a "new card" if you're storing photos redundantly. I do wish they'd add security features though... would definitely pay for that, heck they could make it a subscription service like lojack or something...

The Live ND of Olympus/OM System and the Sigma FP's ISO 6 work the same way. Computational frame averaging to increase dynamic range. It's a really nice feature for getting super clean images despite the sensor size or shadow illumination levels!

I have been waiting for the price drop for r5.

It is shocking that 2 days before a new R camera announcement that no one has really leaked any pics or real information. Everything is still speculative… really odd.

I would appreciate a square sensor so that the choice of portrait vs. landscape would shift to post-processing.

Internal memory like the Hasselblad X2D would be great on a Canon.

On your list of useable features: in-body image processing like smart phones. For example, they can auto correct their lens distortion, they should have auto aligned/blended focus stacking, auto align/blended panos, etc with RAW outputs.

So R5ii is basically a Z8 (3 year old tech). I have a feeling canon will have some type of features that haven’t been talked about yet

Looks like the new R5ii looks disappointing. High cost with small gain.

I'd like to opening invite you to a 1 on 1 livestream on Vahagraphy Talk where you can openly address the Z6III video and maybe take on some of the hate you been getting from the Nikon community over this. If you guys want to see Tony come on the show , Like this comment and comment down below this thread.

Tony said that he will do more testing when he gets a production Canon R5 Mark II, so he must already have the testing one.

I THINK that the original R5 have 15 stops of DR (or at least advertised as that) so if they're saying the mark II will have 16 stops It might be just one stop increase Even if the usuable dynamic range is about 11.5, they simply won't say that

I can watch Tony say "Breaking news" all day....

I have an R5. I would upgrade if it has over 13 stops of dynamic range, 4k60HQ, no record limit or overheating, full size HDMI and 10 Bit Wide DR.

Did I just learn that camera manufacturers inflate their DR readings like amplifier companies inflate their RMS watt ratings? How do they get away with this marketing without getting called out

Personally, I am excited by the idea of a lower base ISO. I would be even more excited by some anti-theft tech. I think wedding photographers and journalists and street photographers the world over would jump on the possibility of not needing to worry about losing pictures/equipment again.

The only REAL Key feature is whether or not the R5ii has a Properly STACKED Large MP sensor.

I disagree only in one point Tony: The suggestion for a fast internal memory, although it sounds great as an option, and it could be very useful if you’d forget to bring any card with you, it’s also a long term reliabilty issue. Flash memories wearout over time, and they tend to fail. You out of all people experienced it quite some times already and advocated that in your videos multiple times. If that would happen to the internal memory of the camera, it could render the camera usless. It would also be a quite expensive repair, compared to replacing a failed external CF Express or SD. It could also mean not having your camera as a professional for the time it’d need to be repaired. I’m guessing that’s the main reason most manufacturers avoid putting these kind of flash memories internally in their cameras. Other than that, I’m excited to see what’s going to be new in the R5 II, but I’m sticking with my R5 regardless. I bought it in January, knowing that the price drop was due to the II coming out soon, and at that time it was even rumored for that to be in May instead of July.

Doesn’t Hasselblad X2D have 15 stops of DR?

Sorry the suggestion of internal memory and only one card for pro level R5 would send me shopping for something other than Canon for the first time in 20 years. Not being able to off load my back up copy of my photos instead of pulling the cards would be a major deal breaker.

It won't be even £4000 in the UK I bet. Canon will not only use a $1 to £1 exchange rate they will add another £300 at least on top. They won't be able to justify that any more than they could when I asked them to for the original R5. I'll be sticking with my R5 and next time I want to upgrade I'll either wait for the Mkiii to come out or wait until I can get the Mk ii as a grey import for a significant saving like I did with my R5 & R6 Mk ii........or I'll change systems!

Does this camera come with a stacked sensor?

Canon is improving eye-controlled autofocus. "So, in terms of the eye control system, or eye-controlled focus, we intend to deploy this to various other models as well. At the same time, we’d like to improve the performance and usability." - Canon exec, DPR interview, March 26, 2023

I find dynamic range to not be dramatic and I had to call Canon to see if IBIS was working at all. It was but I didn’t think it was effective.

You out of all people should know not to compare manufacturer claimed dynamic range vs 3rd party tested as the methods used to test are drastically different. Find how much DR did Canon claim for the R5 and compare to the claim for the R5ii to get a more accurate number.

Over sampled 4k at 60 or 120??

Umm. 16 stops of -EV is the same amount of stops, regardless if your lens is f1.8 or f11. Your argument that maybe they shot with an f1.8 lens to get more stops of -EV for their focus is off. That would mean that they autofocused in an even darker environment than if they shot at a higher aperture like f11 or f16.

I’m an amateur photographer and see no reason to upgrade to the R5 Mark II. I would love to see some of the upgrades that you proposed. I would pay to get those.

What an eloquent and poignant rant at the end! Good job Tony!

You have been making the same thoughtful case for safety features in cameras for years, alongside many other photographers I'm sure, so it's disappointing that nobody has listened yet.

All of us need security features starting from camera lock.

I’ve seen a parent use an unmarked canon at our soccer game I went up to him and he immediately put it away 😅

Needs Oled color top display and option for larger text

I wish the camera manufacturers would listen to the Northrups' suggestions.

If Sony planes to answer with an a1ii in the next 6 months it is strange that the price of an a1 don't go down at all.

Do you think the used r5 will be more available and cheaper once the r5 II comes out?

I believe mid-level cameras these days MUST have 32 BIT FLOAT internal recording like Panasonic LUMIX GH7. That will help the majority of camera users who are usually solo shooters. All the professionals know audio is 50% of the video. If the audio is bad then the video will be useless.

I just want anything which makes image quality better. I have a 5Dr. It is 50M pixels. How about a hi res camera or anything which improves image quality. I don’t need high frame rates.

What about a comparison of the R5 II to the Sony A7RV? I feel like that would be apples to apples considering the price.

I bet the 60FPS will be via a power supply. Otherwise this would outdo the R5C

Cameras should not be using LCD technology in 2024. If my £1000 phone can have a huge 2000 nit OLED display, a £4000 camera should have the same (and this also includes the viewfinder) As an astro photographer, it would really help my eyes when it’s pitch black. The current constant LCD glow is unbearable.

You want a camera with vertical first? Sounds like what you need is a Pentax 17!

I hope it is a great camera like the first version. I feel like most brands are coming with marginal improvements.

Not gonna lie. If it has 16 stops in normal use I'll switch to Canon.

I am sorry to be the one to tell you, but, Photography is dead. None of this really matters anymore. It is just entertainment. Except for a few specialists who spend half their day fighting for their royalties, nobody actually makes money for photography anymore. The only real revenue is from being a reviewer of equipment that everyone wants but nobody needs. Wedding photographers work for less than minimum wage if you calculate their actual hours and equipment costs. With so much high quality images for free and so many free hobby photographers, it is virtually impossible to start a traditional photography business. Plus cell phone images are amazing and the best camera is the one you have on you. The irony is that you now make a living reviewing equipment that does not earn a living.

Tony great the way you explained about dynamic range i.e. bucket. You're absolutely fabulous

16 stop DR in RAW? - No

Would like more options for FPS in the electronic shutter.

What is canon planning on the video cameras? With Olympics in July maybe some of the prototypes will be used there. I am sure Chelsea and your daughter need a trip to Paris to see the Olympics, and you could go there to brush up on your French.

There is a new camera that is vertical-first. It's called the Pentax 17. (Joking)

I’m hoping we get 4K 180 at minimum, 4K 240 would be a game changer for my work. 🤞

I think the 5D mk II will be something less than what Tony says, it will be boring with incremental upgrades. Canon will have eyes on the R1

Does the flash work in the electronic shutter?

If it has animal eye detection specifically for butterflies, I will buy it. (Have an R5 currently)

Tony, I agree, for 99+% of the photographers, the ever increasing mega pixel count is no longer very important, same with the crazy high frame rates. I think the manufacturers need to invest more to improve the other things that make photography a joyful experience. Larger, higher res, higher dynamic range (more immersive) EVF, and better LCD display. Continue to improve eye focus, which potentially allows faster and more intuitive AF point selection. Longer battery life Maybe employ M.2 (2230 or 2240) SSD technology in place of the 2nd memory card. Far cheaper AND faster memory. Maybe even develop a housing for using M.2 storage for both slots, in place of these very expensive storage media that are ONLY used on high-end cameras. Ability for the registered owner to remotely track, disable, and maybe even brick the camera, anytime the stolen camera is detectable on the Internet, to help deter future thief. Computational photography, ability to automatically stack images for dark scenes, improve resolution, etc. A larger, heavier, $4,000 camera + $3,000 of lenses should be able to easily outperform an

Does Sony pay to youtubers for having their camera/contecst advert in the video talking about Canon? Seeing it not first time...

No, Nope, no, no way, not going to buy it. USB c 100 Mbps transfer speed to external Pcie drive is ages old speed but cameras can't even do that well. Wireless to a laptop or wireless external drive at even higher speeds should be the norm. Transferring to the cloud has proven to be a very bad thing given the theft of property rights the big media corps are doing. You should know encryption won't work unless the encryption is at camera level and then sent out. Then the data or media would have to stay unusable without your private key that would then have to decrypt locally on your hardware to keep them from stealing it all once it hits the cloud for storage, or you work on it using their remote services. ALSO - $5000 for a camera body is outrageous, especially knowing what kind of full editing PC or dog forbid a Mac we can get, so we don't have to use remote "cloud" servers to do the work, again giving full party control to big media commiting theft of private works. I mean where have you been sir? Your head is way up your own cloud service.

According to DXO Mark, the R5 has a dynamic range of 14.6EVs. It looks like you listed the DR of the 5DS-r instead by mistake.

14:14 Minolta´s Maxxum (Dynax) 7 has a rotating menue for vertical shooting. It´s a film-camera.

Dude, no way they'd only charge $4k for 16 true stops of DR... (unless sales on bodies with the current spec/price ratio are plunging or predicted to plunge?)

Too many things are like Nikon z8/z9🤣

There are two commonly used DR measurements. One being what we actually get to use in the real world. He’s using that number against the wrong metric. He should be comparing 16-14 or so, not 11.85 or whatever.

Did Tony just say... " in Wapid Succession? " - like where is 'da Wabbit' ? 😄 @7:26

The R5 has less than 12 stops DR? That’s disappointing, I believe my ancient EOS-20D had around 11 stops. I assumed nowadays such cameras standardized around 14/15 stops 🤷‍♂️ camera manufacturers continue to be dinosaurs with their lack of integration of smartphone like features. It’s like they have their heads in the sand, what’s the matter with them!?

With all the continued rumors still waiting for the announcement to determine if I will update my current R5 or just add the R5 II so I have two Canon RF mount bodies to use. I also own Sony and an A1 and A7RV but I don’t shoot video so not sure I want to continue to buy into RF mount without some significant differentiation in some way. Too bad no dual CFexpress type B. So my stills benchmark are the A1 and A7RV right now so what will it do better? Thank you and take care.

One of the rumors a while ago mentioned it might have 16 bit color. Guess that isn't true.😢

What Tony forgot to say was it also has the R3 eye controlled auto focus (second generation) software. something A3 does not have.

I personally don't want an internal memory. It's just like now everybody asked for global shutter only to then not buy it.

Oh my... Please do not wish for modern cameras be as modern smartphones. Because they eventually will be. But not as good as smartphones can be, but as bad, restrictive, no-expert-mode and money-pump as it is today.

Actually being on par with phone cameras on the software side with the image stacking would be amazing. I don't really get why that hasn't been done 10 years ago. My 6D II has GPS and I also don't get why that isn't a standard feature, its really useful, especially for vacations.

If you get the red or white or neon rubber case, you can choice bundle the five pack of white markers. Now jumbo markers are a lie, was painting a hat, bro, just get fabric medium.

I wish Canon can throw in GPS again

Great video. Thanks!

No stacked sensor? Even the base z6iii has at least a partially stacked sensor

No pre-capture?