Even Steven was peeved by it (which I do understand his character was reworked a lot), but I hate how they say she was weak and annoying, when really, she was a scared wife to actually fought her husband, who was going to harm her and her child. I’m more upset for the black guy who was killed off, despite he shouldn’t have been. The film I needed maybe another character or two to fill out deaths. But I definitely get why not.

I also love her performance.

The reason her nomination infuriates me is that Kubrick tortured her to get that performance out of her. That was the performance the Razzies deemed bad, the one Kubrick tortured a woman for until he thought it was good acting.

@@danwilliams2551 Did you listen this video at all?

And give Shelley a Best Actress nod that year for her perfect Olive Oyl in "Popeye"- Duvall rocked 1980 big time!

Tbh one of my favorite performances of all time, he actually made it with humanity.

I don't even like the movie and I still call BS.

Razzie

His performance along with Michelle Pfeiffer's are easily the best thing about Batman Returns. Both iconic.

@@Missjunebugfreak Hard to believe 'stunning' M.P, could be a lonely spinster. 'Penguin' does look like he shit his pants. Both great though!

You nailed it!

Batman Returns is the best Batman movie in my opinion...better than The Dark Night. DeVito's and Pfeiffer's portrayal of The Penguin and Catwoman are 2 of some of my most favorite villains in cinema.

She is terrible, fake and over the top ridiculous.

She sucked. Ruined The Shining.

Keep in mind that The Shining was critically panned when it first came out, a lot of people hated the movie including Stephen King himself. That's why the movie got Razzie nomination for its acting. The Shining that we know today is absolutely different than The Shining when it was first released to the point the movie got a Razzie nomination. It took many years for The Shining to be appreciated, it was considered to be bad when it first came out

It's silly that people still drag up the behind the scenes drama, considering Duvall herself made peace with Kubrick.

EVERYONE loves that movie. Anyone who says they don’t is just lying. Dunaway’s performance was over the top, and camp but that’s why it’s great.

It's the film that let her down

Bruce Willis had a number of Razzie awards but due to his medical condition and out of respect took him out of a category. As bad as some of his films have been he has help make the Hollywood economy over a BILLION dollars through tv and film. Give him an honorary Oscar NOW.

Imo the Razzie was NEVER really about the worst movie of that year, it was always about the snobby, pretentious "Oh I'm such a film buff" feeling that these voters get, or sometimes just pure hatred towards a badly received production. Honestly, how neither The Room nor Mulan received ANY Razzie nominations is truly beyond me.

@@duyanvu1788So true.

Someone who would take part in the creation of this show is truly the greatest most despicable bully ever.

100% agreed on JL in mother!. And I am not even her die-hard fan. She carried that movie on her shoulders. At times, quite literally so.

Please watch Possession (1981) if you really thinks JLaw gave the great performance in Aronofsky’s mother!, Adjani in that is the real deal.

@PeterRabbit4Eva Isabelle Adjani was incredible in "Possession". One of my favourite performances ever. But I am not sure what your point is. Sure, a lot of contemporary filmmakers, including Aronofsky with mother!, or Del Toro, drew inspiration from "Possession" and from Adjani's character, alright. The really impressive thing about JLaw's performance though (to me, who is not her fan) is that, IMHO, she had a very difficult task of subtly (and less subtly) changing the audience's perspective(s) all throughout the movie, while at the same time progressively becoming Mother Earth right in front of our eyes. It was an astonishing performance, showing how much she had grown as an actress. Also, @ABCEggplant never suggested JLaw was "the" real deal, as opposed to a whole century of cinematic history 😅 As for me, I simply agree with the fact that Lawrence's performance was one of the best *that year* among the contenders for awards. And certainly one of her own best performances. I for one think it's a shame she had to take a hiatus after all that criticism. I suppose it was not the only reason why, but still... Peace and respect to everyone in the thread.

I totally agree! Jennifer Lawrence was great in that movie.

Keep in mind that The Shining was critically panned when it first came out, a lot of people hated the movie including Stephen King himself. That's why the movie got Razzie nomination for its acting. The Shining that we know today is absolutely different than The Shining when it was first released to the point the movie got a Razzie nomination. It took many years for The Shining to be appreciated, it was considered to be bad when it first came out

Elizabeth Berkley carried the failure of that movie on her own shoulders. The director and screenwriter could have took some of the heat! I find "Showgirls" to be like watching a trainwreck a loud delightful wreck!

@@jhhone I watched the beginning again yesterday and I feel like given the material the actors were actually fantastic! Like Dunaway in Mommie Dearest, each actor took the tritest of stuff and made it iconic!

You also have to factor in that Heather Donahue wasn't given a script. The actors were given general ideas about what to do and while filming themselves were occasionally given general suggestions and guidelines of what to do along the way. Their performances were improvised and they didn't even know what they were going to be doing an hour or two later.

Blair Witch Project was the independent low budget movie that blew audiences away and become a surprise hit! Disgusted that they'd nominate Heather Donahue. She deserved better.

I remember hearing a story how in the scene where the older black character is walking down the hallway and eventually gets killed that Kubrick made him do over 70 takes. I guess the actor eventually broke down crying and said "what do you want from me Mr.Kubrick?" and Jack encouraged him to finally move on. I dont know what Kubrick was going through, and I know he was famously difficult to work with, but he sounded borderline abusive on the shining

@@stephengrigg5988 I feel like Kubrick was on the spectrum, and was also a perfectionist, so every movie he made had countless takes; sometimes he'd discard a day's work because it didn't live up to his expectations. I think people started decrying him due to Duvall's mental decline, which happened decades after filming and after she had forgiven him.

that has been debunked, as of now

I feel these days people have tried to rehabilitate Joan Crawford too much however. I mean she had more sides to her and was great actresses. But I think people currently bring up issues with people like Wayne and Flynn more than with Crawford.

@@sarasamaletdin4574 Maybe because Crawford's issues have been so publicly talked about for so long that have become commonplace unlike those of other well-known stars.

I thought Whitney's character in the bodyguard was complex as written. A complicated and determined diva who feels suffocated by Costner's character and eventually learns to understand why his work is necessary. I didn't get the feeling that she threw herself at him. Their relationship blossomed organically and fizzled when they knew their two worlds didn't mix. It's unfair to blame actors whenever there's an issue with the writing, and a lot of that ends up being subjective.

Agreed. Terrible writing. It's too bad Whitney didn't more and better roles (interestingly, she's probably strongest in "The Preacher's Wife").

Keep in mind that The Shining was critically panned when it first came out, a lot of people hated the movie including Stephen King himself. That's why the movie got Razzie nomination for its acting. The Shining that we know today is absolutely different than The Shining when it was first released to the point the movie got a Razzie nomination

​@@15Candles you are correct, and I was going to make the same comment. Folks who went to see a Stephen King story were confused and upset by "The Shining." Folks who went to see a Kubrick film were amazed and spellbound. I fell in the latter camp and loved the movie, but most of my friends fell in the King camp and hated it. It took some time for the film to be appreciated for itself. Also, the Razzie nominations are made by the members, which can be anyone. So, most of the Razzie members in 1980 must have been in the King camp and hated the movie.

I can understand how Stephen King initially hated The Shining, I know he thought Jack Nicholson was too crazy as Jack Torrance. And he didn't feel it went with the tone of the book, yet the mini-series which is a supposed adapation of the book right down to elements of the book that weren't included in the 1980 film like the hedge-animals is just ridiculous.

I just rewatched "Suspect" and it holds up quite well for a 30+ y/o movie!

Cher has 2 Oscar's. There's no way she's underrated. If anything, she's overrated.....

@@mangos2888 first Cher have 1 Oscar (she won for Moonstruck and was nominated for Silkwood but didn't win), second we say she's underrated because her music career it's so big and she's one of the most popular singers of all time, that the younger generation forgets how incredible actress she is (since she did most of her movies in 1980/90s) . Underrated is not a bad word and actually defines Cher's career as an actress. People should appreciate more her movie performances.

She was terrible and is the reason why modern audiences make her of the movie.

True

WHAAT? I didn't even know she was nominated. Sally was BRILLIANT in that role!

I think there was some Sally hate at that time. Her film career was on the decline in the 90s and had made another "Daughter" film in that period called "An Eye For An Eye" where her teen daughter was raped and murdered and the killer is released on a technicality while Sally's character plotted revenge!

its the Shining! One "N" LOL

Please watch Possession (1981) if you really thinks JLaw gave the great performance in Aronofsky’s mother!, Adjani in that is the real deal.

​@PeterRabbit4Eva what is your point?? Personally I've seen both movies and think both performances are stunning. What even prompts this comparison/assertion when they are obviously completely different actresses? Imagine how equally arbitrary it would be to compare, say, Bill Skarsgård as It and Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal..... there is no point because they're different movies, different performances, different actors etc Edit: you seem to be commenting this on every single comment that mentions Mother! so I'm going to assume you just have some weirdo vendetta against Lawrence ?

J Law, high school dropout, didn’t even know what was going on in Mother. Maybe she should have tried to understand the script more? 🙃

I think I had more to do with the fact that it was controversial because I guess in today's day and age it's controversial to show that white people can have problems too lol That was literally the criticism.

The Razzies are awarded by stupid people congratulating themselves for pointing out unpopular performance's--Faye Dunaway's in paricular!

I completely agree with this comment. I watched Hillbilly Elegy with a friend who wanted to see it, and I didn’t like it at all. But Glenn Close gave a very good performance. I didn’t know until later that she was the actress in the part. She was quite believable as the grandmother, and I can see why she was nominated for an Oscar.

* Batman Begins

@@fashionablechangeling1988 yeah, right, thanks. I edited it

Up until then she works just fine, but yeah it feels like a trashed rehearsal they swapped back in. Weird. Usually she’s great like in “Midnight in Paris”.

Katie was just wrongly cast. She's a good actor, she just didn't suit that role.b

Yes - Holmes is not up to par with the other cast members in Batman Begins, but contrast her with Maggie Gyllenhaal in The Dark Knight. Gyllenhaal fails to break the hold of the character being a wet blanket, she's not remotely believable as a crusading assistant DA, nor is it believable that the two most powerful men in Gotham are lusting after her. Just is even more a weak link in that film than Holmes is in Batman Begins.

This year the Razzies nominated the child actor in "Firestarter" remake. The original Firestarter Drew Barrymore jumped to her defense and the Razzies rescinded the nomination and created a new bylaw that nominations can only be 18+ only! Thank you, Drew! 😊

Madonna: *appears onscreen* Razzies: Let's nominate her!

Great list to think about! Harvey is almost always great. Agree. Quentin, though has made me cringe at times assuming he should be in films but doesn’t quite work… is fine in Dusk til Dawn. Creepy both before and after. Realistic. Mila - Sometimes annoying but I chalk that up to material; wtf can somebody DO with that sort of movie but have fun? It’s lunacy, almost ungradable. Not her fault, or performance, it’s the terrain. Arnold is just fair, not bad enough for a “razzie”… but holy jesus did he fit the comic-book art for Conan. Would have loved to see a more serious attempt at the film, such as maybe directed by Boorman, Peckinpah or Walter Hill. Darker, harder, a few gorgeous shots suggesting a time we can’t find anymore. More realistic. Arnold’s face partially hidden more often, and story telling with more dread, wonder and longing. It could have been really something special. I don’t mind the direction but the old comic book art really gave me daydreams that made a better movie- not Arnold’s fault. Ben Stiller- what else did they expect? He was perfect. Didn’t see Madonna… but wasn’t that sort of a documentary? LOL Cruz- fine. Agreed unfair. Lowe- same. Lane is always believable, and underrated at times. Cotton club had other problems and she’s not one of them. Tripplehorn, yeah at times maybe I could “see” her acting but not worth a razzie. Jesus. Gertz- simply looked like she wanted to be somewhere else, the part screamed “hate me”…. again not worth a razzie.

Jealousy??!

I think covid really hurt that movie. It's a real shame as it's just a genuine quality film. I remember feeling tension like I hadn't in a long time during the climax.

@@stephengrigg5988 Exactly!!! Me too! That duel really had me tightly wound up. That film had me invested.

I was disappointed by the film setting audiences up to have Rashomon-like multiple viewpoints, only to chicken out and decide that there could be no ambiguity when it came to an event like that portrayed in the film. I suppose that shouldn't be a surprise, having been co-written and co-starring actors who'd both been publicly accused of wrongdoing in relation to Harvey Weinstein and thus wanted to distance themselves from his crimes, but why should audiences suffer for their sins?

@@calmbbaer I don't agree with that at all. The first viewpoint was from an arrogant, violent man, and the second was from a narcissistic rapist. The final viewpoint just goes to show how delusional they were in the ways they viewed themselves. How did they chicken out? What actions didn't they take that they should have?

@@stephengrigg5988 - It's based on a historical event, so by definition we can't know what happened, but the writers clearly wanted to show that the Affleck's character's verbal recounting didn't match his memory, since otherwise the audience might be left thinking a woman is capable of dishonesty in even such weighty matters.

100% agree! Loved Gaga though!

She looks like a plastic doll in it, she was incapable of showing emotions due to the Botox.

Just because they are intended as fun doesnt help their case. It makes it worse in my opinion. Its like if someone insults you then say I was just joking.

@@ryanhopkins5239 Overreact much.. Do you honestly think those nominated are losing sleep?..🤣.. They are sandwiched in the news as a 30-second afterthought, and forgotten minutes later.. Lighten up.. Pretty sure the nominees have gotten a good laugh over the years as it had zero effect on their careers overall..🤭.. Talk about being overly sensitive over a tongue-in-cheek awards ceremony..but I must admit, when they rescinded the child actor in Firestarter because it was a bit much was a good call…you make it sound like the ultimate scarlet letter that has ended careers.. Adam Sandler and Jennifer Lopez would disagree my friend… and proof they mean absolutely nothing..😂

@@edreid7872 im not overreacting. It just my opinion that they are stupid. Simple as that

​​​@@edreid7872 you're responding to someone who said three sentences with three paragraphs telling them that they're being overly sensitive. I think you need to look in the mirror, bud

@@renatatostada3318People who respond to a six-month-old comment I don't remember making, hence I have no clue what you are talking about, deserve a special place on this planet.. Get a life my friend, and tell it to someone that cares..🤣

Agreed!

No offense but I think Eddie Redmayne’s performance in Jupiter Ascending still deserves to win a Razzie because how horrendous and badly over the top his performance was in that film.

Yep, it is a great performance IMO- Faye is "there" in every moment and you believe her outrages. I wrote a paper in college defending her work, while addressing how one can give a great performance in an otherwise subpar film.

Granted, they eventually revoked her nomination so I will give them credit for acknowledging they made a mistake!

YES!