Oh I forgot I have this game, might wanna give it another go

i still can't beat the stage 4 or 5 judge 😓

Amazing game. Must play if you like these type of games. Blade Assault has some of the same mechanics from Dungreed and I cant wait for Blade assault on consoles.

exactly

Tried skull but it bores me out. Feels like playing grand chase only.

Noita means witch in Finland.

@@lauriwiiala5819 I heard. To me it means awesome game.

SOON

He has mentioned all these games in the past cause I remember them. The indie scene is huge, obviously you can't remember them all when you make a list!

@@drinibuzali1289 I know he's the other ones, but I've never seen his mention for Unepic? I've gone through a lot of videos but no doubt there's many more I've missed! Hehe.

It's mid

I love roguelites, I love 2-d roguelites, I have played them for a decade. But I utterly despised Neon Abyss. 2-d bullet hell platformer with limited mobility options that offered nothing new/interesting and did not feel good to play. There's a ton of games that I think would go on this list before Neon Abyss. 20/30XX, Metal Unit, there's probably others I'm forgetting. And that's not even me saying those games *deserve* to be on this list, it's just me saying they'd make more sense than Neon Abyss. It's very pretty, but it Neon Abyss does not belong on a top 10 all time list imo.

It's quite good, at least you can aim and shoot in all directions and there isn't many roguelite platformers like that. It was the reason why I bought it

I had a ton of fun with NeonAbyss on gamepass

It's not a platformer. I imagine the follow up to this video will be "isometric rogue-lites", where you'd see you Hades and your Dreamscapers and your Atomicrops and your Enter the Gungeons and Isaacs etc.

Also the updates bro! Amazing stuff, hope we get another for items this time with the hard mode

Skul

Maybe because of the death rate, lol!

just remembered i finished it in the first or second play through. i wish i didnt win

made me feel like i completed it, no need to play further or something

dead cells is a random platformer, without roguelike function it would be forgotten, people play 500 to finish a 1h30 game in reality

No because its not platformer. Otherwise wheres Hades.

Exactly

Platformer?

@@ClemmyGames actually i dont know how to read at all

If you think every stupid can finish a rogue, go get Dead Cells and see if you can beat it easily. You’ll have fun.

This is actually where most traditionalists draw the line between the (traditional) roguelike and the roguelite - the latter has meta progression, something the roguelike community dislikes in their games. This is very much why e.g. rogue legacy is kind of flawed - you have to keep bashing your head against it to make headway...

I don't think anyone can "clear you up" on this if you really think this. You would have to go play some of the games to determine if "any stupid" can beat them. That's not to say some rogue-lites aren't "eventually" easier than many people would like them because they're overloaded with meta progression, but none of the ones that have stood the test of time fall into that category. Dead Cells, Gungeon, Isaac. Most of these rely far more on you "progressing" in your knowledge and skill than you progressing in the game. Most games also have a limit on how much meta-progression you can do, or the ability to gain said meta-progression scales with how far you make it. So you are actually also having to improve, despite what it may seem like from the outside. You can't usually literally outstat the final boss from meta-progress alone. Also keep in mind, you are typically dropped in with a random/weak loadout and you have to find the other stuff you're going to use on the run, to use against randomly placed/buffed enemies. So adaptation is usually a big thing, and that's also one of the biggest draws of the genre. But also keep in mind: rogue-lite and rogue-likes are fundamentally different in progression model, even though some people use the phrasing interchangeably when they shouldn't. Roguelikes, in the traditional sense, do not have meta-progression. So rogue-likes are actually a lot more difficult than most games. These also aren't the ones currently popular.

@@LikeACrouton Really thanks a lot for the information, that helps me a lot to give them a last chance. It's not like i never played some titles, i thought even some were pretty good, the only thing i really didn't like was the meta-progession, all of these games would have fit way more on my expectations if they haven't been rogue like or rogue lite games, sad to say that.

@@sharkastic2633 Actually i finished Dead Cells, i played it due to the good critics and i'am really a fan of pixel art and 2D games. The one big point that i really hated about the game was the principe of roguelike. Same for children of morta for me, i guess i'am just too old 😅

I also thought this one was a stand out as strange. You can do platforming in 3rd/first person, but I think that RoR2 places such a low emphases on world navigation that it's a bit of a strange shout here. Given we're probably also going to get Isometric (Hades, Isaac, Gungeon) and 3d (RoR2, Chronus, Sifu) and maybe even shooter (Zigurrat, Void Bastards, half the boomer-shooters) lists, I agree it's kind of the odd-man-out here on this list.

​ @Like A Crouton i guess you could really make these lists based of the genre of the game (platformer, rpg, action, dungeon crawling etc...) instead of the graphics type.

You prefer swarms of copypasted enemies and only a few dozen different skulls to unique enemies, areas, and music as well as over 100 weapons that can all be mixed and matched and far better movement?

Not really. That game is just a cheap clone, just another Dead Cells rip-off, extremely generic and bland. With "mostly positive" reviews. Kudos to Clemmy for knowing his shit and not including bad games in his videos.

Foregone is extremely generic and dull. I finished it in one sitting and will never play it again

he already did, check his channel

I bloody LOVE Arboria. Infinitely replayable fun!

@@DrTeeth66 arboria its the best rogue-like game ever hahah

They reworked malaise recently

One little mistake does not end your run if you aren’t cursed.

It’s not a platformer

@@darkchild130 good point 😅

Platformer?

Spelunky 1 and 2 are bad, actually.

@@sharkastic2633 you mistyped “I am bad at spelunky 1 and 2, actually”

Dead Cells made me “get” rouge lites. It opens the door for me to the whole genre, which I never get it before. Also, when I test other games, I have the feeling “I’ve been spoiled by Dead Cells”. The fluidity, the variety of the weapon and the distinctiveness of it, the level design, the pixel art graphics that feels hi def, the game is just amazing. Also despite how hard it is, it never feels unfair when you die. It speaks passions, the tuning and quality control that the game has.

I think this is primarily because Dead Cells is fun immediately, whereas some roguelites don't get fun until you've done some meta-progression and have game experience. You have "hope" you could beat the things if you were just a bit better, independent of you getting meta-progression. You need to be able to obviously see ways to improve besides just "leveling up". Dead Cells does it well. I think Skul and Gungeon do as well. Essentially, the game has to be fair levels of difficult and have an obvious skill ceiling independent of it's meta-progression to really stand the test of time. Dead Cell's raw levels of polish, content, and smart design also just make it the best in this genre, but there's definitely plenty of others worth a shot.

6 years in early access??? :O

yeah like Julio said, that game has been in EA for 6 years. None of the games on the list are EA.