Американские кировцы

Thank you.

Tyler Tyler I’m from sask. any farm using a 6030 for field work is not going to be one of the biggest farms here.

A really cool looking machine, in the Oliver colour scheme, and as with the John Deere/Wagner tie up, was another exercise in badge engineering. At least some people seem to think this phenomena is a recent thing, but it has in fact been going on for many decades.

I agree allis chalmers is the best

I don’t remember the AC model, it was a Steiger frame, Steiger wiring harness, AC axles, I think AC engine. We brought 1 in from south of the lake with a blown motor, replaced it with the Steiger model Cat motor. I had to go out to get the air conditioning fixed on this one after we got it running. The problem was the micro switch on the dashboard controls. 250 miles to replace a micro switch!!! Hello from north east Montana. 10 miles from the Canadian border.

Pretty sure it was not built until 1977. This video only covers 1970.

Most 4x4 tractors are rated off of the motor hp.

no problem just a hint

Not true?

Mr. Diamond Lazy H sorry i don't see of1970. Grear video sorry.

Just to add a note, the 118 Versatile had a V6 352 ci engine 145 hp & the 125 Versatile was a gas with Ford 391 V8

I just got out of a Big Bud HN-250 it is a 400 HP machine

actorzone 9

Wrong! The Ford was a Steiger painted blue & white. The IHC was a Steiger frame & cab. IH motor, IH transfer case, IH axles. That is why most 4366’s got parked, fan though the radiator, or transfer case out. The AC I think was a Steiger painted orange, black, & white.

@@darrelfuhrman8217 Correct. The Stieger built Fords (built from 1977 thru '82/83 ish) were based on Stiegers' own equivilent Series III 'ST' (Narrow Frame - 39"), designated tractors. These tractors had a slightly longer wheelbase of 132•50", versus the 128•00" wheelbase of the 'ST' designated Stiegers (Wide Frame 44"). These tractors also had the option of a hydraulically driven PTO, which gave either 54hp at 540 rpm or 105hp at 1000 rpm. All previous Stiegers didn't feature a PTO, up until this point. You are indeed correct that with the tie up with IH in 1973, they specified their own axles and engines and had the tractors styled in keeping with the equivilent high horsepower two wheel drive tractors of the era. A particulary problematic model was the V8 engined model, with the engine itself causing several issues. Not a very reliable machine. It is telling, that many (but not all) artic tractor manufacturers these days specify large capacity 6 cylinder engines for their machines, and in many cases also, will be bought in from an outside manufacturer, as the cost of developing ones own engine for what is still a comparatively small market share (artic versus rigid), does not make financial sense - the figures simply do not stack up.

Also, the tigers you showed were 2 turbo tiger 1s which weren’t out yet in 1970 and a 2200. Not complaining by the true Tiger 1 is extremely well and there’s a lot of confusion. If you’d like, give me your email address and I’ll send you pictures of a real tiger 1

I believe you are correct. American and Canadian tractor manufacturers usually quoted their tractor outputs in either PTO horsepower and/or drawbar horsepower, since both of these indicated more acurrately indicated how much power was available to do actual, useful work. Engine horsepower quotes were quite often meaningless, as a lot of power could be lost between engine, transmission, PTO and drawbar, due to either poor design or else at least some power was absorbed to run multi plate clutches in partial or full power power shift type transmissions, hydraulic services, electrical loads etc. No such thing as a free lunch, is an expression that readily springs to mind. Fendt produce the 1050 tractor with an advertised rating of 517 engine horsepower, but what is telling is that they don't advertise how much of that power is available at the PTO and drawbar, since a huge amount is absorbed through their transmission and all of the other all singing, all dancing features of that model. It remains the highest horsepower conventional rigid frame tractor on the market, but regardless of how you dress it up, what really matters, is how much of that power gets to the drive wheels. My personal opinion is that such a horsepower rating is better delivered to the ground via an articulated tractor on the grounds of better weight distribution under implement load - exactly how all artics are designed to be. No two wheel assist tractor, with unequal sized wheels can possibly compete with that, regardless of engine horsepower - it simply boils down to basic physics, which there's no getting away form. Furthermore, artic tractors would be generally less stressed as an overall design when compared with a tractor in the same horsepower category, but utilising a conventional rigid frame set up.

Pretty sure it was not built until 1982. This video only covers 1970.

Thanks

It wasnt produced until 1971 was it? This video only includes tractors from 1970. Sweet tractor though, we owned a White 4wd, that was basically an updated Oliver

When John Deere were involved with Wagner, as essentially a badge engineering exercise, part of the contract stipulated a non compete clause, inasmuch as so long as Wagner were making tractors for John Deere, they were not allowed to manufacture and sell any tractors under their own brand name. This effectively put the Wagner Tractor Company out of business. God only knows who in their right minds would have signed such a one sided deal in the first place, but that's what happened. I can only speculate that perhaps the Wagner Company were in financial dire straits, and signed such a contract, out of desperation. John Deeres' negotiators obviously drove an extremely hard bargain !

Me too

John deere shafted Wagner on the contract and caused them to go bankrupt. John deere did it to a lot a company's shows how much a crook the company is. They hate the fact they can't get farmers to get rid of the tractors they built in from the 60s to the 90s for a new deere aswell.

Colton Carpenter 😁😁 Your talking about me!

I agree, it like a lot of Deere's products was truly ahead of it's time

@@blainevolesky9653 deere wasnt ahead of the time when its Wagners design. Deere was and is normally behind on innovative moves. Usually the last to give in with change like their 2 cylinder tractors, conventional combines, the last of the 4000 series tractors in 93 and 94. Like i mention before deere also tries to shaft their competition if they cant buy them out.

Are you talking about the Bid Bud 747? It was made in 1977, not 1970

Mr. Diamond Lazy H that’s what I was talking about and ok

This video only cover tractors produced in 1970

@Equillizer Armtwister Not in the 70's they didn't

@@alan2982 Right, I think it was mid 1960's. Big Yellow tractors that stood out from all the red International equipment. I think they were 4100.

You are correct, that info is hard to come by.

Theres an oliver in Guthrie, Oklahoma.

AC 440 came out in '73.

This video only covered models produced in only 1970, thanks for watching!

@@grantlewton ok good vid

Get that terd out ya mouth

It was made in 1977, not 1970

Ph sorry

4100

they were made well after 1970.

Lol, and those are repainted Steigers, can't remember what model tho

@@fordfarmer97photography11 steiger chassis with ih sheet metal and engines.

@@coltoncarpenter3790 Yeah that's what it was, I got mixed up

Grant i was thinking the same thing

Which massey 4wd was made in 1970?

Mr. Diamond Lazy H the 1500 and 1800 series

Mr. Diamond Lazy H introduced in 69

You are right. I am under the impression they were not produced until 1971 despite being announced in 1969.

@@jamiekouba9846Correct - niether Germany nor Norway ever built Stiegers - they were only ever built in the USA. Stiegers did however, utilise RABA built drive axles on some of their tractors and these were sourced from that Company, based in Hungary, in Europe. RABA also built some Steiger tractors under a badge engineered licence, with their own name on the tractor, for a least a short while, for the European market.

I'm not aware it was made in 1970

What about the right earthquake 750

And the big Bud 747

Sorry about that they were built later in the seventies big Bud 747 and the earthquake

Only did US tractors in this video, but Upton Tractors are sweet. Interesting history!

Tractor engines are rated differently than a car. Tractors geared lower, and the engines are made to hold a continuous load. It is a much larger engine than a car of 245 HP.

@@grantlewton 245hp tractor have more power than 600hp car

Is that not what I said?

I'm glad the Russians don't build large tractors, oh wait they do. And they're probably still using them today😊

Ah yes I see that makes sense great channel I just subbed

Allis made a tractor? 😂🤣

This video only covers tractors built in 1970. The 2655 was not built until 1971 and the 7520 was not built until 1972. Does that help?

Diamond Lazy H You said the 2455 had a Diesel engine. There were more than 10 diesel 2455’s produced.