Top 10(ish) Gender Nonconforming Characters

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Table of contents:
0:00 - Intro
02:23 - Pronouns
04:04 - Agender Aliens
07:18 - Gender Presentation VS Identity
12:25 - Top 10(ish) GNC Icons
21:25 - Closing thoughts
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@iamtheV0RTEX
@iamtheV0RTEX 2 жыл бұрын
"Just a simple list?" You just broke down the entire concept of gender nonconformity, the various forms it can take, the differences between pronouns and LGBT terminology between English and Japanese, and pointed out that gender nonconforming characters have been not only present but popular and acclaimed in Japanese animation and video games for longer than some of your audience has been ALIVE, all in twenty minutes--this is far, far more than "just a simple list" and I love it.
@zerere_
@zerere_ 2 жыл бұрын
It's insane in the best way possible
@gyrrakavian
@gyrrakavian 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, but it's in a format that people who haven't got much of a knowledge base on this stuff can keep up with. [I know a bit more than the average Joe/Jo, but not that much more.]
@zerere_
@zerere_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@nirgunawish were you dropped as a newborn
@zerere_
@zerere_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@nirgunawish no one is trying to relive rapunzel. Jesus is female confirmed.
@robinchesterfield42
@robinchesterfield42 2 жыл бұрын
@@nirgunawish First off, go look at some pictures from the late '60s. Second, for just one example, I've been watching a KZfaq show called "WTFIWWY?" since like 2010 and the guy host has had butt-length hair (same as me) the whole time. And since he's 6'0" and I'm 5'1", I'm assuming the distance from HIS scalp to his butt is even longer. Hair as a gender construct has absolutely NO basis in science (and quite often long-haired guys have _nicer_ hair than me, a girl, without using fancy products on it at all). And flipping your hair out of your face or tossing it over your shoulder aren't girl gestures, they're _long-haired people_ gestures. If more dudes started growing their hair out like in the '60s and '70s, it would start becoming more normalised again, it would be less weird, more guys might try it, and the world would again see that it's just. freaking. hair. (also I think a lot of guys look way BETTER with longer hair, but that's just me. If you're worried about being seen as too girly, then also grow a beard. That'd be hippie too.) TL;DR: You want proof that your "science" here is bullsh*t? Try growing your OWN hair, and see where it finally stops. Go on. It's free! All you need is time. :)
@retroanimemike
@retroanimemike 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: not all languages have gender built in, say Hungarian has no gendered pronouns, the whole situation with pronouns and gender in English is frankly hilarious from a Hungarian perspective.
@kailawkamo1568
@kailawkamo1568 2 жыл бұрын
Same in Filipino languages lmao
@haIIoweenn
@haIIoweenn 2 жыл бұрын
the complete opposite from spanish, where every single thing has a gender for some reason lol
@meh563
@meh563 2 жыл бұрын
while romance languages are the complete opposite. it's even more hilarious cuz they gendered everything.
@andrasfogarasi5014
@andrasfogarasi5014 2 жыл бұрын
@@haIIoweenn And German and French and Swedish and Italian. A masculine-feminine-neuter or masculine-feminine gender system for all general things is an aspect of almost all European languages. English has largely deprecated this, with the only remaining remnant being gendered second-person personal pronouns. A different common gender system is animate-inanimate. Not in Europe of course. Things which move are fit differently into sentences than those which do not move. Yes, this is called grammatical gender. Yes, you are correct in observing that it has nothing to do with psychological or societal gender. This is because the word "gender" originally means "kind", "caste", or "class". It only gained the commonly recognised modern meaning after John Money started using it incorrectly.
@historicflame972
@historicflame972 2 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile me and the boys arguing over the gender of nutella
@bananaspliitz9136
@bananaspliitz9136 2 жыл бұрын
I just love haruhi ohshc response when asked straight out if she’s a girl. ‘I mean biologically I am.’ If that doesn’t scream gender indifference i dont know what does.
@thatwasverypunny.-.
@thatwasverypunny.-. 2 жыл бұрын
LITERALLY-
@icravedeath.1200
@icravedeath.1200 2 жыл бұрын
I'm just surprised they never mentioned gren from cowboy bebop.
@pandasinspace3560
@pandasinspace3560 Жыл бұрын
This why Haruhi is one of favorite characters
@jadedfire4351
@jadedfire4351 11 ай бұрын
@@icravedeath.1200Gren was on that picture of a lot of characters when they essentially said "if i didn't mention your favorite im sorry" :]
@icravedeath.1200
@icravedeath.1200 11 ай бұрын
@@jadedfire4351 oh okay
@TheMovieSequelDude49
@TheMovieSequelDude49 2 жыл бұрын
"Ah yes, the two genders: hats and bows." 😂 Incredible, awesome video as always.
@vivi5771
@vivi5771 9 ай бұрын
Based Croagunt pfp
@Aldersnap
@Aldersnap 9 ай бұрын
@@vivi5771 yesss
@AbishaHealfdene
@AbishaHealfdene 2 жыл бұрын
Fun Fact: The creators have actually confirmed before that Link was designed so that if you're a guy, you'd think they're a guy, but if you were a girl, you'd think they're a tomboyish girl. P.S. I forgot to mention that Link isn't even a gender specific name, anyone could be named Link, and it would make perfect sense.
@ishkajules
@ishkajules 2 жыл бұрын
"Link isn't even a gender specific name, anyone could be named Link" which is exactly why I'll always be a little salty about 'Linkle' but I guess they couldn't have two characters named Link...
@mmtruooao8377
@mmtruooao8377 2 жыл бұрын
they definitely couldve had a character named kiln though
@AbishaHealfdene
@AbishaHealfdene 2 жыл бұрын
@@mmtruooao8377 True.
@JT5555
@JT5555 2 жыл бұрын
hell,link's name wasn't even supposed to be so much a name as it was a reference to how in the original concept he was going to be a *LINK* between the past and the future.
@andrewgreeb916
@andrewgreeb916 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, but Linkle is specifically female and I prefer her over Link although she only shows up in Hyrule warriors.
@ShintarufromdA
@ShintarufromdA 2 жыл бұрын
Bless you for addressing both the "non-human non-binary" trope and the "androgyny does not equal non-binary" thing. Both of those have been points of personal frustration for me for YEARS.
@idekatthispoint
@idekatthispoint 2 жыл бұрын
As second amendment loving true American I agree.
@caseys2698
@caseys2698 2 жыл бұрын
@@idekatthispoint a yes, I too love guns, humanity’s worst invention, and the laws (and lack thereof) that allow thousands of people to die every year 🙃
@legendaresn6983
@legendaresn6983 2 жыл бұрын
@@caseys2698 It also protects people. According to official statistics 300 000 crimes in america where done in a year with guns and 500 000 to 3 000 000 were prevented.
@LanieMae
@LanieMae 2 жыл бұрын
@@legendaresn6983 the best way to stop gun violence is to get rid of guns
@legendaresn6983
@legendaresn6983 2 жыл бұрын
@@LanieMae Problem: how do you do that exactly? There are always people that can make guns themselves and with no supervision beyond "duck you we take that" are gonna go full automatic. There are also outside forces that like to take the void in the market, aka the heavily refulated gun market turns into the mexican drug, which btw is currently exporting to european countries. And yes germany proves that you can trick european governments to let you sell weapons. Also trying to take it away from average people is also going to be hard: authoritarian regime always take away guns from their civilians, you know how paranoid americans are against social programms!? Edit: Also going against the symptoms instead against the actual problem is incredible ineffective.
@saraisaza5697
@saraisaza5697 2 жыл бұрын
When I was younger I was obsessed with Ranma and I never knew what the big deal was when he complained about his curse. I noticed that as the episodes went on he cared less and less about undoing the curse and it was so cool to see their character development. And now that I'm older I realize why I loved that anime so much and why Ranma's situation felt so real, so important and now that I realize that I'm genderdfluid i know why I felt so connected to his journey as a character
@tizioecaio9150
@tizioecaio9150 7 ай бұрын
samee
@kodzuknyan
@kodzuknyan 2 жыл бұрын
Fun Fact: In the Manga, Kurapika's gender wasn't exactly specified. There's even official Manga art of them wearing a nonbinary necklace, and they wear a binder!
@aleisshiki3649
@aleisshiki3649 2 ай бұрын
Couldn’t find any confirmation on anything you said, unfortunately :c would you happen to have a source?
@YondaMoegi
@YondaMoegi 2 жыл бұрын
When I saw Ouran Host Club for the first time, and Haruhi said that she didn't really care about gender, I nodded like, yeah, that's universal. Little did I know
@august8185
@august8185 2 жыл бұрын
Headcanon them as cassgender
@deathlight4210
@deathlight4210 2 жыл бұрын
Same 💀
@alicetheneko7529
@alicetheneko7529 2 жыл бұрын
I actually talked to Caitlin Glass about this and her thoughts on it. She wasn’t too bothered by the whole Haruhi possibly being genderfluid. That was a pleasant conversation 😊
@shysmart8021
@shysmart8021 2 жыл бұрын
SAME
@Daemonworks
@Daemonworks 10 ай бұрын
Gender apathetic. Just literally doesn't care in the slightest. :)
@dunnejos8423
@dunnejos8423 2 жыл бұрын
I thank you for seperating "non conforming" from "nonbinary" I'm a nonconforming cis man. I love to be beautiful, and I love wearing whatever clothes I want, and gender roles are stupid. But I definitely feel like the he/him pronouns I was given at birth were more or less correct and don't feel the need to change them. I'm a man, but I like being soft femme most of the time in aesthetics ❤️
@mayuhmetal
@mayuhmetal 2 жыл бұрын
Right, there’s something about growing up as a black woman im so attached to that no matter what I feel like, labels like woman and she/her fits me best at the moment. but presenting something like haruhi does is what I really like to look like. I like this 4 way intersection between gnc and non binary because there’s a place for everyone and no one is a misfit
@user-ws9ko1pu1y
@user-ws9ko1pu1y 2 жыл бұрын
RIGHT it irked me when people always interpret gnc cis people as trans. it always felt like gender stereotyping to me.
@HobieInTheBox
@HobieInTheBox 2 жыл бұрын
We love lads like you in this household. You can be as beautiful as you want and still be a man😤👍🏼❤️
@aidenflame1576
@aidenflame1576 2 жыл бұрын
Growing up female/black and having female issues i definitely identify with female struggle stuff then male. But i am genderfluid and gender non conforming. I usually prefer he him as a basic since most ppl around me dont get it. My preferred name and then just dress how i want. I wear mostly female styff snd still live female clothes cuz DAMMIT THEYRE PRETTY AND IM LWZY putting on a dress is way simpler and finding tops and pants tht dont make my sensitive skin crawl are annoying. I also like showing skin. Sometimes im in a bralette and oants and boots and other times im in a t shirt and hoodie and other times my pjs. I wanna get a more extensive collection of clothes and wigs and makeup eventually to fully be able to shapesh8ft but for now im fluid/non conforming/shapshifter... and lazy lol. I legit had someone yesterday tell me. Well u dont dress like a guy. Aha Ahahahahaaha! News flash i dont have to!! ^-^ and im becoming more and more comfy with thtm especially with Loki as the fluid icon i look up to :3 AND THE FACT HES ANNOUNCED (subtly but stil!) AS HIS GENDER BEING FLUID IN THE TV SERIES MAKES ME SO GODDAMN HAPPY so happy i damn near cried. Also i bet u and everyone in this ebtire comment section are AWESOME and i wish i could meet u ^-^
@Sinc3r3ly
@Sinc3r3ly 2 жыл бұрын
Dont dunk on people who actually are conforming tho
@noahdaglio9362
@noahdaglio9362 2 жыл бұрын
I find it funny and interesting the Link is one of the few characters that has NB, MtF, and FtM headcanons applied to them, and they’re all potentially valid.
@RadikAlice
@RadikAlice 9 ай бұрын
And by design no less
@OuattaHand
@OuattaHand 8 ай бұрын
Yeah idk what to tell you, Link is Gender(tm). XD
@Patch-lz9yi
@Patch-lz9yi 2 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite characters from The Owl House is Raine Whispers, who is introduced in season 2 as the Head Witch of the Bard Coven. In the episode they're introduced in, it is also revealed that they have put together a rebel group of fellow bards to overthrow the emperor. So, yeah, they're awesome, and every character in the show refers to them by they/them pronouns. Their voice actors (both for the present timeline and the flashback episode) are nonbinary as well, and we love to see it. The character is also as human as the majority of the main cast is (which is technically not human but functionally human but with magic). They also cannot shapeshift and are not a trickster which is refreshing to see. I love shapeshifting tricksters as much as the next guy, but I do like seeing enby representation that is not just shapeshifting tricksters.
@vortech0581
@vortech0581 Жыл бұрын
There’s one from Craig of the Creek. Their name is Angel and is a Babysitter who sits younger siblings.
@taylor_green_9
@taylor_green_9 9 ай бұрын
The fact that all other witches on the show use either she/her or he/him pronouns also cements the idea that Raine's gender comes from their individual identity and not from their species/race
@peeblekitty5780
@peeblekitty5780 8 ай бұрын
This is a tiny detail but I also love the gender-neutral use of "witch" in that show. No more pointlessly dividing magicdoers by gender!
@cinder6775
@cinder6775 2 жыл бұрын
Can confirm, being a shape-shifting alien is the ultimate transition goal
@AstridRuna
@AstridRuna 2 жыл бұрын
Weird, but period. Im a transwoman and being able to make my own clothes on the fly, out of myself, or being able to have a big white Federkleid whenever its conveniant would be sick as hell.
@l2919
@l2919 2 жыл бұрын
Fun note: Ranma fully accepts the female part of themselves, basically the ending is accepting being gender fluid and then getting married
@cyryl3827
@cyryl3827 2 жыл бұрын
Didn't the author also talk about wanting Ranma to be trans, but there being some difficulties with publishing?
@espeon871
@espeon871 2 жыл бұрын
@@cyryl3827 oh that's very sad but hey, HEADCANON CONFIRMED BY CANON!!
@ThePorpoisepower
@ThePorpoisepower 2 жыл бұрын
What volume/episode does THAT happen in?
@l2919
@l2919 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThePorpoisepower literally the last chapter There are some arcs which look at this as well such as ranma being separated into female and male halves from a curse that only works if ranma ever considers staying female
@tulip811
@tulip811 11 ай бұрын
@@cyryl3827 wth are you talking about? It's for entertainment, you can read the interviews in the manga. She needed a funny plot line and that's it
@mxaussiejay5269
@mxaussiejay5269 2 жыл бұрын
Sailor Uranus was my bigender awakening. Also thank you for specifying that nonbinary don't have to be androgynous, that made me feel so secure in my own identity, since I mostly present as feminine since that's really what I've been doing all my life and more or less repressed that aspect of myself as a kid. Like Tsukimi is literally me.
@CureSmileful
@CureSmileful 2 жыл бұрын
same, I like "feminine" fashion and make up, but it isn't feminine for me, it's just pretty
@mothiestman4995
@mothiestman4995 Жыл бұрын
Same. I have long hair and love cute skirts and blouses, but I'm he/they and get incredibly uncomfortable with feminine language used towards me. I feel pressed to be more androgynous or masc just so I'm not misgendered as often.
@spooks2710
@spooks2710 2 жыл бұрын
"Of course we can't forget Howl Penndragon I see no point in living if I can't be beautiful Jenkis, Disaster Wizard Extrordinare" I was dying laughing right there lol.
@rainbowcookie3525
@rainbowcookie3525 2 жыл бұрын
Haruhi's dad also explitly does drag and is veary sportive of Haruhi, 10 out of 10 best anime dad
@JT5555
@JT5555 2 жыл бұрын
i wouldn't say he does DRAG (a primary aspect of drag is the use of exaggeration and ranka is just a normal,business-casual gal) but he DOES crossdress professionally so everything still holds up.
@icravedeath.1200
@icravedeath.1200 2 жыл бұрын
@@JT5555 wait what!
@hihi615
@hihi615 2 жыл бұрын
Nah Endevor's the best dad....
@punkithecat
@punkithecat 2 жыл бұрын
also the fact that hes bisexual and had a wife who accepted him, such a rare thing to see as representation I feel
@icravedeath.1200
@icravedeath.1200 2 жыл бұрын
@@punkithecat yes.
@frickinfrick8488
@frickinfrick8488 2 жыл бұрын
It’s nice to have a simple discussion about gender in anime without weebs losing their shit. I like this part of the anime community that I’ve stumbled into, I hope it keeps growing
@_.Max.i.mus._
@_.Max.i.mus._ 2 жыл бұрын
I know right!
@HobieInTheBox
@HobieInTheBox 2 жыл бұрын
Right? I've been an anime fan for 7 years now, I think, and at 19 (almost 20), I still see so many crazy fans who lose their shit if you even hint at this type of discussion. As if it's a taboo to discuss gender and now it's not all black n white. And how it's cool how we have these characters
@Cloverfr
@Cloverfr 2 жыл бұрын
I have to be sincere, I think in a general sense, women/non binary/queer fans are very open to these discussions, but most of the anime channels are own by cis straight man, so and that's the kind of audience they have, so they are less open to talk about those themes without losing their shit. I have seen two channels, one own by a bi man and the other by a trans woman, and they are as cozy as this one regarding sexuality and gender.
@HobieInTheBox
@HobieInTheBox 2 жыл бұрын
@@Cloverfr you make a great point, you're absolutely right. Those types of audiences have a scary hive mind.
@ginalopez9047
@ginalopez9047 Жыл бұрын
Sorry that we don’t want identity politics on our shows and movies
@soldecle
@soldecle 2 жыл бұрын
Haruhi was just so relatable because she has her own personality whereas in other shoujo mangas they always make the main character so stereotypically feminine that they’re just a walking caricature instead of a person a character that exist. Also I think you should have mentioned that Haruhi is just disguising as a guy to pay her debt, at home she wears « girly » clothes and shit. But there is another character in ohshc that could fit this video: Haruhi’s father he dresses like a woman but still calls himself a man
@galenibble
@galenibble 8 ай бұрын
Haruhi's father is just such a fucking legend
@soldecle
@soldecle 8 ай бұрын
@@galenibble he's so iconic tbh 😭
@bluishblow
@bluishblow Жыл бұрын
18:30 this is such an interesting discussion. in brazil we have the term "travesti" to describe a person that was born with masciline genitalia, but likes to be presented with feminine aspects, but doesn't identify as a woman or a man, while using "she" as pronoun. it is historically considered a latin-american identity, so it's interesting to see parallels in other cultures
@menendez6218
@menendez6218 10 ай бұрын
Interesing, In french "travasti" used to be used for cross dressing men but is now a slur used against trans women.
@RadikAlice
@RadikAlice 7 ай бұрын
@@menendez6218 Both yours and OPs comment are true in Spanish-speaking countries as well Outside of bigotry, I choke it up to lack of knowledge and understanding. Travesti is basically our word for drag queens, besides gay, lesbian and bisexual the average person in a Hispanic country is clueless and even somewhat apprehensive about queerness
@Th5Relaxing_
@Th5Relaxing_ 7 ай бұрын
adoro ver brasileiros em vídeos gringos, amei o comentário!
@CarlosHernandez-jv6wk
@CarlosHernandez-jv6wk 2 жыл бұрын
"I think that costume came right out of his closet." Okay, WHY AM I JUST NOW BEING MADE AWARE OF THIS LEGENDARY LINE!?
@brontetout-smith9382
@brontetout-smith9382 Жыл бұрын
He's a "flaming" moltres
@c.d.dailey8013
@c.d.dailey8013 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if James has an Articuno costume and Zapdos costume too. Ooh! A Lugia costume and Ho-Oh costume would be AWESOME!
@EditDeath
@EditDeath 10 ай бұрын
Absolutely hate myself for asking, but does that make James a potential furry?
@coyoteseattle
@coyoteseattle 10 ай бұрын
@@EditDeath It's certainly a possibility, but given his line of work, it seems more likely that he owned it for professional purposes.
@EditDeath
@EditDeath 10 ай бұрын
@@coyoteseattle Fair, though that doesn't explain Jessie's apparent disgust
@RahelaWaters
@RahelaWaters 2 жыл бұрын
As good as this list is, I feel like it would be remiss to bring up Team Rocket without giving a special shout-out to Meowth and his original voice actress, the late great Maddie Blaustein-especially considering that it was Meowth’s origin story where he learned how to walk and talk like a human that actually inspired her to come out as a trans woman!
@sommeone
@sommeone 2 жыл бұрын
Wait, it did?! That's amazing!!! 😍
@jhulpthefox
@jhulpthefox 2 жыл бұрын
That's awesome!
@Sqwivig
@Sqwivig 2 жыл бұрын
What!? Now way! That's awesome! Also Go West Young Meowth is my favorite episode of the OG Pokemon series. Now I have one more reason to love it!
@Sqwivig
@Sqwivig 2 жыл бұрын
What!? Now way! That's awesome! Also Go West Young Meowth is my favorite episode of the OG Pokemon series. Now I have one more reason to love it!
@ananaspizza7014
@ananaspizza7014 2 жыл бұрын
wow, that's so cool! ive always prefered the Norwegian dub over the English one, but having a character actually voiced by a trans woman is super cool!
@JustPixelNoIDontWantAnyNumbers
@JustPixelNoIDontWantAnyNumbers 2 жыл бұрын
Might I also suggest Saiki K. as non-confirming/agender, due to them LITERALLY SHAPESHIFTING INTO A GIRL IN MULTIPLE EPISODES and also their general "I dont give a fuck just leave me alone please" attitude. Like I dont think Saiki ever gave so much as a single fuck to their gender. Might just be projecting though, as the Series is something I hold very dear due to me identifying a lot with saiki (Mostly the "leave me alone I just want some peace and quiet to read a nice book and eat Coffee Jelly is that really to much to ask?" way, not so much the "Vast psychic powers that bend reality to my Will")
@zielakingli
@zielakingli Жыл бұрын
Let's not forget that he's canonly a trans ftm person (born girl but a few sec after being born he straight up changed his gender lol)
@lavenderisdedagain4554
@lavenderisdedagain4554 Жыл бұрын
Love Saiki, They gave me so many vibes as an aromantic person, Saiki is Aro/Ace icon and I love them.
@chanshengsupremacy8889
@chanshengsupremacy8889 10 ай бұрын
just a- everything
@gachacatqueen7285
@gachacatqueen7285 9 ай бұрын
Saiki is very aroace agender, and I love it
@kh-wp1mj
@kh-wp1mj 9 ай бұрын
saiki changed his gender in the womb to a boy and says he’s definitely a boy😭i need this as an ftm who loves saiki k
@artimisjlunar
@artimisjlunar 2 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy they gave Corona they/them pronouns in the new translation. When I was younger I really latched on to them because of their look and then eventually found out their gender was unlisted on purpose and I didn't really understand it at the time but I knew I wanted to be like them. This was before I came out as agender or before I had ever heard the phrase GNC so it's kind of super validating
@fatezaragosa2540
@fatezaragosa2540 2 жыл бұрын
I physically screamed at Haruhi and Crona. They were two characters that I identified with most growing up through middle school and high-school. I'm demi so romantic attraction and secual attraction are a hard thing for me to grasp but I felt seen in both of them with not really having strong feelings about ones gender and how that can complicate relationships with friends and just how people see you as a person.
@cali_3870
@cali_3870 2 жыл бұрын
Nah you just get 0 action 😂
@oliviajones6892
@oliviajones6892 2 жыл бұрын
I relate to that on a spiritual level
@konstanseaasen581
@konstanseaasen581 2 жыл бұрын
Same! I remember being so mesmerized by them at a young age, and not knowing why ahahah
@andollpony2227
@andollpony2227 2 жыл бұрын
Ooh the only time in my life when I identified with a character was with Crona! And you know what? I was actually happy watching dub when they referred to them as "he". Because every Russian sub/fan dub was like "oh, this person is wearing a dress, they're definitely a 'she'!" 💦
@may6v6
@may6v6 2 жыл бұрын
@@cali_3870 literally shut up.. why are you here..
@essiejazzy3261
@essiejazzy3261 2 жыл бұрын
“People tend to mix up androgyny with being synonymous with being non binary” GOD SOMEONE SAID IT. I have a wide range in fashion taste. Some days I feel like dressing hyper feminine, other days I feel more comfortable dressing hyper masculine and I have very short hair. But despite tending to look androgynous all the time I identify as a women with she/her pronouns. However, people noticeably assume my gender identity and sexuality more when I dress masculine. To the point that they will misgender on accident in an attempt to guess my identity based on my androgynous appearance alone. I resonate with characters like Pidge from Voltron because she has a more masculine appearance, but uses feminine pronouns. Many people in that fandom at the time argued she should have been non-binary for having to disguise as a man in the beginning of the show, and dresses masculine, but she always uses she/her pronouns and even had a moment where she was happy because a friend of hers validated her gender (Shiro referring to her with her preferred pronouns early on) I know Voltron isn’t really a show that’s discussed anymore but I always loved Pidge because she was the type of character that validated me as a women who wanted to still be seen as a women despite sometimes wanting to look androgynous or masculine.
@sarahelster6835
@sarahelster6835 2 жыл бұрын
Same, I sit in the exact same boat as you. Just a very GNC woman that also likes hyper feminin fashion
@IceFireofVoid
@IceFireofVoid 2 жыл бұрын
It bothers me when people take any androgynous character and say mmmm must be non binary. It shows that they view gender as being very rigid and anything that deviates from the norm must be an other. Girl with short hair? Impossible! It also feeds into the “non binary people are just androgynous lesbians” stereotype, which is...very false.
@bunnizamy2201
@bunnizamy2201 2 жыл бұрын
I dont know if Im a GNC woman, but I relate with tomboyish characters such as Pidge and feel more confortable wearing somewhat of a male sense of fashion on a daily bases, but still enjoy the more ''feminine'' clothes too. Maybe I just dont mind it that much about how im presenting.
@meh563
@meh563 2 жыл бұрын
@@IceFireofVoid omg thank you! that bothers me too
@indigowendigo8165
@indigowendigo8165 2 жыл бұрын
I can respect if a woman is more or less like a tomboy than having zero feminine traits or being trans and stuff, so I think I can actually sort of guess this to, the stereotyping on the whole men and women thing alone sometimes in some of my favorite anime/games without even necessarily being Anti-LGBT can be really frustrating at times. :p So a girl may be a little boyish but still mostly sees herself as a woman, or a guy may be a little feminine but mostly still sees himself as a man, especially if their like the bishonen prince type, I can respect that. ^^; Hell, I wonder if I actually relate to characters like Ayame from Fruits Basket or Kuranosuke from Princess Jellyfish more than I think I do, ha ha. XD
@martineeiane6781
@martineeiane6781 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Snufkin from moomins is explicitly not mentioned as any gender in the original books, and never referred to with any gendered pronouns. This is also true for a lot of other characters (I’d list Themis I knew the English names)
@elvinruneson7241
@elvinruneson7241 8 ай бұрын
The moomin books were originally written in Swedish, and snufkin was referred to with male pronouns in those.
@temari15
@temari15 2 жыл бұрын
I love this video!!!! Also we need to talk about Edward Elrics trans/nonbinary/gender nonconforming vibes because they are coming from somewhere and I still don't understand why the fma fandom as a collective got that but I am determined to figure it out. Is it the hair!? The leather pants!? WHAT IS IT EDWARD???? WHERE DID YOU BUY YOUR VIBES ELRIC???!!!!
@pandasinspace3560
@pandasinspace3560 Жыл бұрын
Honestly Edward's hair is a goal of mine, I've always preferred longer hair but never really let it past my shoulders until recently
@Lunar_Crescentfall
@Lunar_Crescentfall Жыл бұрын
MOOD
@3d_young_joseph
@3d_young_joseph Жыл бұрын
i saw the head canon somewhere that he was a trans man and i love it
@hanamaki-.3837
@hanamaki-.3837 11 ай бұрын
ed as trans dude goals is so valid dear god
@fartlord-tw5hv
@fartlord-tw5hv 10 ай бұрын
he has the height tbh
@milesc4533
@milesc4533 2 жыл бұрын
Something really interesting about Ranma is that at the very end of the manga (spoilers) He says that maybe his ability "wasn't a curse after-all", and that he totally forgot about turning himself back into a permanent guy during the final battle because saving Akane was all that mattered. In an interview, Takahashi also said that she wasn't comfortable writing a male protagonist, so she made Ranma "half-girl" which seems to imply that he isn't just a cis guy who changes form. The Tendo family also makes the same case to Akane when she says she hates men because that would make Ranma an OK fiance for her. Then there's the little details of Ranma becoming comfortable in his female form instead of trying change back right away like in the beginning of the story. Finally in the 2nd movie, Akane tells Ranma while he was seeking a cure that she "likes him the way he is" All of this always made me assume that Ranma is some form of non-binary or genderfluid, and that his curse helped him accept/realize this after being under all of that macho pressure from his dad as a kid.
@justanawkwardnerd
@justanawkwardnerd 2 жыл бұрын
That's really cool! I never got around to finishing Ranma, and the antics grate on me, but I was always curious about Ranma's development and how he saw himself in either form, and from what I remembered, much of it had to do with being flustered at the situation (the antics made it embarrassing and he wasn't always in control of what form he was in, then), than particular discomfort in a female form. I also liked how he wasn't really concerned with "acting like a girl," and just concerned with acting like himself - it was everyone else who tended to make it weird. I found it refreshing with the amundant female characters who have to have so much of themselves scream "I'm a girl acting girly," you know?
@seqka711
@seqka711 2 жыл бұрын
@@justanawkwardnerd Ranma 1/2 has a character band that sang songs from the point of view of various cast members. Ranma's female VA sang a song from Ranma's POV called Yume no Balloon (Dream Balloons) which is about Ranma just... enjoying being a female for a day. I think Ranma could probably enjoy his curse a lot more if his life wasn't a manga with an author who places hot and cold water around every corner and who also gave him the most complicated love dodecahedron ever put to page. Whenever Ranma chooses to be a girl, he has a great time. It's being forced to change at inconvenient times he hates. XD
@robinchesterfield42
@robinchesterfield42 2 жыл бұрын
@@seqka711 Aww! That's adorable! (about the song) I wanna look that up now. (Also some of the pressure on Ranma to "BE A MAN" was from his _mother_ , and that whole thing that if he hadn't grown up manly enough she would instantly murder him and commit seppuku, and literally _carried a sword around with her everywhere she went_ . Yikes...)
@justanawkwardnerd
@justanawkwardnerd 2 жыл бұрын
@@seqka711 God, I missed when anime would do that - having the voice actor sing songs as if they were the character. That shit was GREAT! I really love that, and another issue I had with Ranma was honestly the love... situations, and how messy and drawn out it tended to be for drama's sake. I don't like that kind of thing. I always figured Ranma would be a great guy to be with if everyone would just calm down and try to act with some sense and respect with each other. I might just get back into watching Ranma for his sake, and to get some resolution on what actually happens in the story. Thank you for this!
@seqka711
@seqka711 2 жыл бұрын
@@justanawkwardnerd Don't bother watching the anime again, just read the manga. The character development is much better, and if the drama gets too eye-roll inducing you can just read faster LMAO. Plus the manga actually has an ending, which is nice.
@tetitous
@tetitous 2 жыл бұрын
Edward Elric being put in the "feel gnc but can't quite explain why" is such a mood
@_kaazukado
@_kaazukado 2 жыл бұрын
im very confused on that one im not against it, just confused. can someone please list possible reasons why ed gives gnc energy?
@SolarShado
@SolarShado 2 жыл бұрын
@hotaru I don't _quite_ get the feel that it's something he'd just do on his own, but I also don't see it taking much coaxing from the right person, like Winry, Nina, or a potential daughter or niece. And yeah, he would absolutely raise hell with anyone who tried to give him a hard time about it.
@jjaa_joyjoyartist
@jjaa_joyjoyartist 2 жыл бұрын
He did say that it matters more about a person's merit than their outside appearance...
@Aerodumb
@Aerodumb 2 жыл бұрын
You know? I have that feeling about the Asakura brothers, they're so chill that I think they wouldn't care
@somedragonbastard
@somedragonbastard 2 жыл бұрын
Like he did some gender exploring and came away deciding he was a cis guy but with INTENT this time
@caracaracat2958
@caracaracat2958 9 ай бұрын
For a gender non-conforming character that wasn’t mentioned in the video, I’d like to mention Najimi Osana from the Netflix show “Komi can’t communicate”! Their gender is never revealed and the answer is continuously tip toed around in the show. They also switch wearing masculine and feminine clothes and are referred to by they/them across the english dub.
@glitteryvomitt
@glitteryvomitt 5 ай бұрын
yes!!! and actually in the official brazilian portuguese subtitles they also are refered by gender the neutral pronouns ile/dile even tho those technically don't exist in portuguese officially, so in brazil najimi uses neopronouns which is a cool fun fact
@ouijaloveletters
@ouijaloveletters 5 ай бұрын
I ALMOST CRIED WHEN TADANO CALLED THEM THEY!!!!! MY ENBY HEART!
@softfuzzymanyippee
@softfuzzymanyippee 4 ай бұрын
I LOVE THEMM
@otakuribo
@otakuribo Жыл бұрын
I'm a trans woman and I am not immune to BotW Link gender envy ✨I was waiting the WHOLE VIDEO for Link to show up, YES!! So glad you saved 'em for the end! I read the whole sequence in BotW dealing with the Gerudo as a metaphor for being trans/gnc within a society of strict gender conformity, and the closeted feeling of dressing up as you're expected and hoping you're not "found out?" tbh Zelda is also huge gender envy for me, especially BotW's "nerdy STEM student" take and Twilight Princess's "emo" Zelda ✨💙🏳‍⚧✨ Important note as a long time Nintendo fan: Nintendo hasn't always had the best relationship with gender and queer representation (Twilight Princess has a gay couple who are presented as creepy clowns, for example...) but for the last 8 years or so, their creative staff is younger and more inclusive and it really shows in their most recent games; most notably... 🐙🦑 *SPLATOON* 🐙🦑 which not only allows for HELLA gender non-conformity in your player character, but also has MANY canonically LGBTQ characters front and center; and also has storylines that tackle racism, fascism, and hypercapitalism head-on. Splatoon 2's Octo Expansion goes even deeper as you can read some private chat room messages between Pearl and Marina where they share memories of growing up and how they met, and they're just so effortlessly and unforcedly gay 🏳‍🌈I might be in my late 30s but I would die for these squid and octopus children and I'm pretty excited to see how Splatoon 3 develops things.
@CiCodiCadno
@CiCodiCadno 4 ай бұрын
Trans men 🤝 trans women 🤝 non-binary peeps - seeing themselves in Link
@kathialanglois2357
@kathialanglois2357 2 жыл бұрын
In the french translation of Soul Eater, Crona is referred with "il" (masculine pronoun) when they appear, but I noticed the main characters changed to "elle" (feminine pronoun) later when Crona becomes their friend, so I thought Crona was trans and the main characters learned to call them by their prefered pronoun.
@zoer7706
@zoer7706 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know about the anime but in the manga they use "elle" all along
@justanawkwardnerd
@justanawkwardnerd 2 жыл бұрын
@@zoer7706 I know that editors for the English translation was getting frustrated with no clear answer on Chrona's gender, so they went with "she" - Chrona is a little different in the manga anyway, so that made some sense, but the anime went with "he." I loved the voice actor he had, and very much consider him gnc, leaning towards being enby, I just use "he" because that's what I'm used to hearing.
@StellarMariposa
@StellarMariposa 2 жыл бұрын
If I remember correctly, crona was referred to as a girl in the manga and a boy in the anime.
@justanawkwardnerd
@justanawkwardnerd 2 жыл бұрын
@@StellarMariposa You remember right. The anime had to come up with Chrona's gender sooner as there was no indication from the author as to how to refer to Chrona, so at least the English Dub went with "he," while a fed up manga editor went with "she." I still don't remember if the author officially answered either way rather than just going with it.
@biscuitsluv2037
@biscuitsluv2037 2 жыл бұрын
I recently realized that I am genderfluid, and I was watching the first season of Pokémon cus at the time I haven't watched it , and when I saw Jessie and James, I actually felt somewhat happy.
@Sunny00002
@Sunny00002 2 жыл бұрын
As a fan of Poémon i'm happy for you
@The_Holy_Wooomy
@The_Holy_Wooomy 2 жыл бұрын
Ok
@aidenflame1576
@aidenflame1576 2 жыл бұрын
IM GENDERFLUID TO!!! Seeung ur comment i think i knw why i lov3d James so much and jessie to! Also in the new loki tv show. Its a super subtle thing but he had a sheet abt himself when he was captured and processed and stuff (cant say more then tht) And next to Gender it said: Fluid Qnd i cant tell u how hype i was. I was screaming and squealing for days. And told everyone at work. I welcome u to genderfluid and hope ur living a great life
@aidenflame1576
@aidenflame1576 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry it wouldnt let me edit the other comment and i spelled something wrong so reposted it
@JT5555
@JT5555 2 жыл бұрын
oh,jessie and james just don't give a fuck and it's fantastic.XD granted,(out of universe) they obviously crossdres just because it's funny but that doesn't change the fact that they not only do it but do it so damn well.
@mothiestman4995
@mothiestman4995 Жыл бұрын
I started watching My Hero Academia just because my brother told me about Magne (mtf), Tiger (ftm), and Thirteen (gnc). It still makes us both so happy seeing them on page and screen to this day (RIP Big Sis Magne). Same goes for Ouran because of the Fujiokas. Fantasy Knockout already has 2 gnc people as far as I've gotten (the MC whose name I can't remember and Lucius), and I'm barely through the first few episodes. I'm glad things are getting better lately, even if Knockout only has 2 because one is in a Hedwig situation.
@ginalopez9047
@ginalopez9047 Жыл бұрын
Is your life that bad?
@ssmmeeaarrggllee
@ssmmeeaarrggllee 2 жыл бұрын
I love that apparently the Flaming Moltres gag was a hit in English. In Spanish (where voice actors really took liberties for comedy) he says "el guajolotote Macías!", kind of roughly translated as "the big turkey Macias!" just a gag on how wrestlers/superheros introduce themselves facetiously, and it was glorious and still a meme today lol
@Vicky-uv8ri
@Vicky-uv8ri 2 жыл бұрын
The one thing Boruto did right is having Orochimaru come out as genderfluid. Naruto teased it, only of you watch subbed and are aware of Japanese pronouns, but in Boruto they went all out, specifically having Orochimaru self-identify as sometimes male, sometimes female, sometimes neither.
@WolfZonez212
@WolfZonez212 2 жыл бұрын
woah dude I had no clue! as much as I dislike Boruto... They did something right 😅
@DavidLyles
@DavidLyles 2 жыл бұрын
@Erwin Lii He isn't really redeemed. Man still says he has plans to steal an Uchiha's body somewhere down (future generations) the line saying he's given up on Sasuke's body... for now. He lives in a secluded base under Leaf shinobi's constant watch unable to leave without permission. I'm fairly certain he would be dead if he wasn't such a vast source of knowledge. Plus do you know how many times they tried to kill this man just for him to resurrect? It's honestly too much of a risk to try and kill him cause he'll probably come back and fuck shit up. Not redeemed, too much of a hassle and risk to kill, plus he's a benefit if they need him for something.
@catandrobbyflores
@catandrobbyflores 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know if it counts because he was just stealing a strong body and didn't give a crap if it was male or female.
@mray4784
@mray4784 2 жыл бұрын
But he was born as a male and he loves to steal bodies so....
@seacrystal6189
@seacrystal6189 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, that's not something to be celebrated. He is acting weird around children and drags them into his weird cult. He's basically an anti-LGBT caricature
@jeannecaelum5167
@jeannecaelum5167 2 жыл бұрын
As for my suggestions, Saiki in Saiki K. Says in one later chapter that he was born as a women but felt not right with it and changed himself to a man. This is for many in the Fandom pretty much seen as him being trans and transitioning early, and I'd like to share this thought much more! As for a currently airing one, in Visual Prison Eve looks and is being addressed in the subs at least as they. I'd have to listen to the way they adress Eve more to confirm it's in Japanese the same, but for me they are a non-binary. I loved your video, and you just explained everything perfectly!
@StarlitLilies
@StarlitLilies 2 жыл бұрын
WHAAATT!! Did not know that! And that's on top of him being most probably aro/ace
@jeannecaelum5167
@jeannecaelum5167 2 жыл бұрын
@@StarlitLilies youre welcome! It just made me like Saiki so much more, even tho the aroace part has never been confirmed, it´s just something ive seen almost everyone agrees on and thats pretty neat!
@Ali-di1jl
@Ali-di1jl 2 жыл бұрын
i showed this to my friends in hope that they would understand how gender identity is represented in eastern and western animation + media. They really liked it and said they had a better grasp on how gender should be represented. i think you did a really good job at explaining how characters don't have to have a gender or can have gender fluidity and still make the character engaging enough to fall in love with. As the only non binary/gender non conforming in my friend group it made me happy that i could show them my views about gender's role in society through a mutual interest (anime + animation). creating videos like this can really help cis people understand that gender doesn't have to be showed or can be showed in different ways and a person/character can still have other interests. (i really hope this made sense, im not great at getting my point across - hence why i showed my friends this vid. THANK YOU
@ginalopez9047
@ginalopez9047 Жыл бұрын
Stop forcing your views on people
@samlewis6487
@samlewis6487 10 ай бұрын
I love Haruhi because people assume theyre a guy and they just go "yeah sure, why not." And the only time they actively oppose a gender is when people try to force not just the female gender but also female stereotypes and roles onto them. They also regularly flirt and have romantic interactions with both male and female characters. They're so nonbinary and I love them.
@kaririyon
@kaririyon 2 жыл бұрын
I just started watching but I'd love to tack on Kino from Kino's Journey as a practically canon non-binary character. They never refer to themself with gendered language, use 'boku' for themself despite being assigned female at birth, and present very androgynously to the point people have referred to them as both a boy and a girl in separate occasions (though Kino rejects both gendered options, just stating "I'm Kino"). Another thing to note is that Kino is not their birthname, rather it's a name they took on from somebody else, and I remember in the novels Kino showing distaste for their birthname and it is left unknown. Even a lot of their backstory feels very layered in non-binary metaphor. Sadly a lot of localization doesn't really respect this aspect of their character and more recent works seem to try and emphasize their assigned gender and makes them act/appear more feminine and aligning them more with simply being a masculine girl, which is really frustrating. Ahhh sorry for the ramble LOL I just needed to talk about Kino because I rarely see a non-binary (perhaps even transmasc) human character like them. Even if being non-binary isn't an INTEGRAL part of Kino's story, it's just something nice and subtle but still very much There and not something you could just ignore unless you were doing some real mental gymnastics haha. Anyway back to watching for me!
@Linnzy
@Linnzy 2 жыл бұрын
I loved Kino when it came. It is still today one of my favourite animes. I remember that in the episode where we learn about Kinos younger days, they mention something like their name rhymes with a certain flower but it has a different and not so good meaning. They never say the name of Kinonor the flower, but the episode had light pink or reddish flowers in it (peach blossoms,sakuras ? Idk. Maybe even made up.)
@kaririyon
@kaririyon 2 жыл бұрын
@Erwin Lii I personally see them as such! I always appreciate gender-ambiguous-but-doesn't-really-care type characters a lot, it's free real estate for my enby ass LOL
@woman.2063
@woman.2063 2 жыл бұрын
@@kaririyon Everybody is a Woman.
@jordanrodrigues1279
@jordanrodrigues1279 2 жыл бұрын
In the Japanese text, Kino's birthname is given as a riddle. ("×××××-chan, the name of a flower that with a small change became an insult") It's the reader's choice to decide whether to pursue it. If they do, they discover that the riddle is ambiguous with several possible answers. There is also a description of the flower and illustration, but not enough to pin it down. In one of the stories, Kino meets a girl named Sakura who is teased in the same way. It's pretty clearly a different flower - it blooms in a different season. The 2003 and 2017 anime both depict Kino's flower well enough that it can be identified - but they chose different flowers! Also, one of the novel's clues is that it's maybe a 5-kana word, the 5 X's. The '03 flower has 6 kana (no, it's not "Sakura," that's 3). The '17 one has 4. So it falls into "it doesn't matter, and it's silly for you to try to figure it out," which I think is brilliant. Even if you solve the riddle in either anime - not hard if you know your flowers and your childish Japanese insults - you're left with "well, that's mean, and not canon anyway." (I've decided to not share the answers.)
@Linnzy
@Linnzy 2 жыл бұрын
@@jordanrodrigues1279 thank you for the explanation, yes I remember now the episode was really about that other girl. But please please...share your answer with me, i wanna know.
@daishathttp3717
@daishathttp3717 2 жыл бұрын
princess jellyfish is such a comfort show for me love to here people give the show love because it’s such an interesting and relatable take on femininity
@ThrottleKitty
@ThrottleKitty 2 жыл бұрын
It's one of the shows that helped me crack my egg as a trans woman. Even if the character isn't technically trans, it still helped me grapple with gender expression and conformity in a very formative way!
@amicaniiya1576
@amicaniiya1576 2 жыл бұрын
by "okama" I immediately had to think of One Piece's Emporio Ivankov and the Kamabakka Kingdom, basically an entire island full of queer and nonbinary people who do refer to themselves as okama (not the weirdest island seen in OP, thb), and while they certainly are presented very over-the-top campy and their queerness is used as the butt of jokes here and there, they aren't really presented as "lesser" and, to me at least, very sympathetic (though some other characters, mostly antagonists, show dislike for their queerness) at several instances they show that they believe that everyone should be true to themselves, act and present themselves any way they want and that it's okay whether they be cis, trans, fluid or anything and they show great support for everyone who's questioning (like, Ivankov literally has magic hormone powers and can admister a sort of instant-HRT to anyone, changing the sex of himself and others on several occasions, and if I remember correctly he says at some point that he thinks people should be able to try it out to see what's right for them or sth along those lines)
@Purple_kiwi_
@Purple_kiwi_ 8 ай бұрын
Just commented this :) I also love bon-chan and how both characters supported luffy
@cardgagefan73
@cardgagefan73 2 жыл бұрын
I swear Kirby helped me through a lot when it comes to me and my identity... including my intense dysphoria. (I'm agender) Kirby makes me so goddamn happy he helps me when it comes to dysphoria and my identity I wish to be just like him
@chadsuke
@chadsuke 2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this video as a whole, and agree with many of the complimentary comments, but there was one offhand comment you made that deeply bothered me. You mentioned Kurapika, that he wears the traditional robes of his people that are “basically a dress”. This does not make him gender non conforming, nor should it even be mentioned in that direction. Many cultures have quite differing gender presentations, particularly traditionally, and we should not look at someone falling into their traditional gender presentation as gender non conforming. Indigenous men are not gender non conforming when they wear their hair long, as is traditional. Men in classical East Asian dramas, such as The Untamed as a popular one, are not gender non conforming for having long hair or wearing robes. Kurapika is not gender non conforming for wearing the traditional clothing of his people. Western gender roles have been enforced all over the globe because of imperialism, colonialism, etc., and calling characters gender non conforming because they are wearing traditional clothing is only enforcing that. I really liked the video overall, but that comment really bothered me.
@bludraws094
@bludraws094 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it kinda bothered me too
@kukki.kosplays6324
@kukki.kosplays6324 2 жыл бұрын
homegirl had a white woman moment lmaoo!
@jjaa_joyjoyartist
@jjaa_joyjoyartist 2 жыл бұрын
Same here. It's clear that he's wearing traditional clothing and only dresses femininely when he must
@exothermic8649
@exothermic8649 2 жыл бұрын
As a trans man: YES it is so frustrating, it gets tiring PD. A recent one with strong gender nonconformity is Pretty Boy Detective Club it's REALLY FUN and dramatic and suprised me with having depth, closest I'll get to a magical boy anime
@finngswan3732
@finngswan3732 2 жыл бұрын
We need more magical boys. 😭
@HiddenThicket
@HiddenThicket 2 жыл бұрын
The most we get in the way of magical boys is nekomimi, which are often.... uhhhhh.... young... to sat the least. And they're almost always cis male, occasionally gay. If you can assign such a thing to a child.
@finngswan3732
@finngswan3732 2 жыл бұрын
@@HiddenThicket Kids can be gay, friend.
@HiddenThicket
@HiddenThicket 2 жыл бұрын
@@finngswan3732 Maybe
@finngswan3732
@finngswan3732 2 жыл бұрын
@@HiddenThicket There is no maybe. Kids can be insterested in others, straight or not.
@CloudsAndDays
@CloudsAndDays 2 жыл бұрын
The video game thing reminds me of ASL, where the sign for ‘Boy’ is a hand motion meant to signify the brim of a cap, while the sign for ‘Girl’ uses a motion meant to show the ribbon of a bonnet. And in FSL, the sign for ‘Man’ resembles a mustache while ‘Woman’ resembles a person breast feeding.
@eeveeinavoid
@eeveeinavoid 10 ай бұрын
Kris and Frisk from Undertale and Deltarune helped me discover my gender identity. They helped me realize that I wasn't a girl, and that I felt more comfortable using they/them. I liked having the characters refer to me, the player, as they/them. Napstablook and Mad Mew Mew are some of my favorite characters as well. :)
@TheKawaiifan
@TheKawaiifan 2 жыл бұрын
My Joyfriend was showing me Owl House last month, and the stupid amount of joy I felt when I saw Eda and Raine being a couple was just....god. Woman x Enby was a slice of representation I didn't know I needed until I saw it I have a family member or two who...don't really see my relationship as legitimate since my partner is non-binary, so that episode was just a rush of euphoria for me
@wajmgirl
@wajmgirl 2 жыл бұрын
May I ask what Joyfriend means?
@blutongu8888
@blutongu8888 2 жыл бұрын
@@wajmgirl non-binary partner :D
@beththegreen
@beththegreen 2 жыл бұрын
@@wajmgirl cmon it's pretty obvious being only one letter different from boyfriend within a story about NB/gal representation But yeah just saying :)
@Pokepants
@Pokepants 2 жыл бұрын
My joyfriend is the cutest thing and I am going to start using that for my characters with enby partners because joyfriend is so much better than partner. And yes Owl House's Eda and Raine pairing also made me so incredibly happy as it did with most likely everyone that saw it.
@takitaki202
@takitaki202 2 жыл бұрын
Can i just say, Joyfriend is adorable and i love that!!! Also, that rep in the Owl House is so important and i love their dynamic together. I would love to see more in other stories (mainly animated tho but that's just me)
@Oltrya
@Oltrya 2 жыл бұрын
watching this while drawing my enby character who literally said "fuck this gender shit" became a god and made their own whole civilization and language without the concept of gender
@lextatertotsfromhell7673
@lextatertotsfromhell7673 2 жыл бұрын
Based
@Alex-fc8xn
@Alex-fc8xn 2 жыл бұрын
Goals
@AnimeOjou
@AnimeOjou 2 жыл бұрын
Love that for them
@trinitygriffin5593
@trinitygriffin5593 2 жыл бұрын
Omg, I have the same thing.
@jinxneo
@jinxneo 2 жыл бұрын
YEAHH RULE THE WORLD YOU ABSOLUTE ROYAL 🤩
@DuskyPredator
@DuskyPredator 2 жыл бұрын
Further with Zelda, there is a Sheikah stone that mentions as a child that Zelda has a secret tomboy side that few people know about. Even before having the idea of concepts like trans and non-binary, I sort of always head cannoned that the male side portrayed as Sheik always existed in Zelda and the Sheikah transformation was a way they could channel. Before understanding myself, I think that I just understood Zelda from OoT as genderfluid, and perhaps usually stuck only presenting one side publicly due to expectations. Also, Tetra from WW as evidence that without the expectations of a princess, they could naturally be pretty androgynous.
@ThePrincessUmbrella
@ThePrincessUmbrella 2 жыл бұрын
One pair I didn't see you mention that I love are the two trans women from Granblue Fantasy! There are two canon trans women in the game- Ladiva, and Cagliostro. Cagliostro was born male, but used alchemy to create a new "cuter" female body for herself, while Ladiva hasn't transitioned- she's from a race of bull people called Draphs who have extreme sexual dimorphism, so the women are all short and curby while the men are huge beefcakes. and Ladiva definitely fits into the latter body type and even has a beard, but uses female pronouns and everyone refers to her as a woman. They also aren't villains or made into the butt of jokes! In all of Ladiva's story events I've seen, everyone just comments on how sweet and warm and caring she is, and Cagliostro is known as a genius. The two of them both even made it into the roster on the GBF fighting game, despite the HUGE cast of options to choose from! I really appreciated how Granblue handled it by depicting both of these characters so that neither of their experiences felt tokenized, and greatly appreciated their inclusion and how kind all the other characters are to them :)
@ricardoludwig4787
@ricardoludwig4787 2 жыл бұрын
I love when characters look at gender and just go "por que no los dos" and massively succeed at everything. Its so powerful and cool and sexy and cool and powerful and
@-toriizaka46
@-toriizaka46 2 жыл бұрын
yeah especially the
@xsweetiebloomx605
@xsweetiebloomx605 2 жыл бұрын
I wanna be that way tbh it just sounds so cool
@meh563
@meh563 2 жыл бұрын
thank you for bringing up the fact that being androgynous/gender nonconforming is not the same as being nonbinary. both are completely different but people keep mixing up the two or think they're the same.
@ringtail14
@ringtail14 2 жыл бұрын
Lake from infinity train has been one of my favorite NB/GNC characters in recent years! Their story reminds me of my own nonbinary experience.
@lovemyaht1583
@lovemyaht1583 Жыл бұрын
Jessie & James are indeed icons and we love them for it.
@str4wb3rry_x28
@str4wb3rry_x28 2 жыл бұрын
I think Osana Najimi from Komi can't communicate is also worth mentioning. There are only 2 episodes of the anime out yet but I already absolutely ADORE them and their personality.
@ditto6414
@ditto6414 2 жыл бұрын
OMG I WAS JUST ABOUT TO MENTION THAT
@theuserofthissite
@theuserofthissite 2 жыл бұрын
I love them already. Just a chaotic troll who identifies as whichever gender is A) most convenient or B) funniest in the moment.
@LaZodiac
@LaZodiac 2 жыл бұрын
@@theuserofthissite Osana is the quintessential "My gender is they/them unless it would be hilarious to gender me otherwise" character.
@giovannidalpozzolo3363
@giovannidalpozzolo3363 2 жыл бұрын
Najimi's gender is Najimi
@actone4822
@actone4822 2 жыл бұрын
Najimi's gender is wacky hijinks, after which hilarity ensues.
@randomgrmlin
@randomgrmlin 2 жыл бұрын
I've always felt uncomfortable wearing dresses/skirts or wearing a lot of makeup and preferred having a more masculine/androgynous style, but I'm certain I'm cis (feel comfortable with my gender and pronouns). Because of this I've hesitated to change my style because I thought for the longest time you could only dress androgynous if you identified as nonbinary/trans and I didn’t want to step on anyone's toes. This video really helped me understand the difference between gender representation and gender identity!
@toothfairy10133
@toothfairy10133 2 жыл бұрын
i think a lot of people can relate to that, trans or cis. im transmasc and when i came out, i thought id have to wear androgynous/masc-leaning clothes all the time in order to be valid. i like dresses and skirts, though, and eventually realised that "hey, gender presentation != gender identity applies to me, too!" so i started dressing fem whenever i thought my dysphoria could handle it. if you wanna dress in more androgynous clothes while also being comfortable in your gender, go for it! gender is something that we can play with and shape to our own preferences. do whatever makes you feel the most comfortable.
@randomgrmlin
@randomgrmlin 2 жыл бұрын
@@toothfairy10133 Thank you for the reply!
@Friendly_Neigborhood_Astolfo
@Friendly_Neigborhood_Astolfo 9 ай бұрын
I can relate. I absolutely despise my body hair so much i always shave it off.
@dis_appointed8626
@dis_appointed8626 8 ай бұрын
there is no such thing as cis. in third worlds women are punished for not following feminine code of conduct. its conditioned. so saying that there are women who align 100% with femininity rules is mental
@AngryDemonCat
@AngryDemonCat Жыл бұрын
This person is not wrong when they say that Jessie and James are legends. One of the things I love in the original Pokémon series was when they came on screen is their outfits!!❤
@lavenderelf9809
@lavenderelf9809 2 жыл бұрын
When I first started watching Ouran Highschool Host Club I connected with Haruhi almost immediately. Like her I couldn't care less what people perceived me as gender-wise. I still identify as a girl and use my agab pronouns but gender meant little to me. I figured out that I'm Cassgender and am very happy with my identity.💜
@Somerandomsnickersbar
@Somerandomsnickersbar Жыл бұрын
omg, I think I might be cassgender..
@lavenderelf9809
@lavenderelf9809 Жыл бұрын
@@Somerandomsnickersbar Well in that case welcome!
@oximoron613
@oximoron613 2 жыл бұрын
I think one of my first exposures to a gender non-conforming character was Nagihiko/Nadeshiko from Shugo Chara. Considering that the plot of the show was about magically turning into the version of yourself you wanted to be, the fact that this character ended up accepting both their male and female personas was really revolutionary to me. I also love that you mentioned Kanamori from the lesser known Heaven's Design Team! I would also add Opera from Welcome to Demon School Iruma Kun, who the creator refuses to give a gender and uses they/them pronouns.
@cutiepie120048
@cutiepie120048 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, Shugo Chara ❤️
@plum_pudding176
@plum_pudding176 2 жыл бұрын
I LOVE OPERA SO MUCH THEY’RE THE BEST
@shinkurasha8061
@shinkurasha8061 2 жыл бұрын
A character for discovery AND one of my first childhood crushes!!
@thekagepro24
@thekagepro24 2 жыл бұрын
I thought of Nadeshiko/Nagihiko too! Glad to see they're appreciated!
@jackpaugh7982
@jackpaugh7982 2 жыл бұрын
Yo I’ve never seen almost anyone who’s heard of Shugo Chara! It’s one of the reasons I realized I was trans!
@thefluffyaj4119
@thefluffyaj4119 2 жыл бұрын
im suprised not to see at least one jojo character on here, a lot of the characters are gnc as hell. kars is about the manliest yet feminine character I know. and not nessecarily androgynous where it's this thin, non muscular, short haired person who looks like they could be either male or female. kars is very obviously masculine, but he's also very feminine and then there's the majority of part 5 characters who all look androgynous as hell. one of the characters was literally based off the "dude looks like a lady" song. there's also 2 gay couples in part 5, arguably 3. a lot of the characters in jojo as a whole are just androgynous to varying degrees, mostly because the creator really likes fashion. also about half the make characters wear lipstick
@HystericalDark
@HystericalDark 2 жыл бұрын
As a JoJo fan (at least of the anime....I need to catch up with the manga tbh), THANK YOU. One of my personal favorite androgynous designs in JoJo is Anasui's.
@teddymackerel
@teddymackerel 2 жыл бұрын
@@HystericalDark anasui is suuuch an interesting example
@bb010g
@bb010g 2 жыл бұрын
Narancia is my nonbinary trans daughter
@glutenfreebees
@glutenfreebees 2 жыл бұрын
one of my favorite lines from the Eyes of Heaven game that I've seen is before Anasui and Ermes fight, when Ermes says "man, this dude looks like a lady" and Anasui's immediate next line is "man, this lady looks like a dude" also 8:25 made me think of jojo because the first two examples shown for androgyny are influences for the designs of the main protagonist and main villain of part 4
@souleaterevans4589
@souleaterevans4589 2 жыл бұрын
Jjba characters exist in a universe where everybody is a hairless voguing gender fuck and I live for it
@mozzapple
@mozzapple 10 ай бұрын
I really hope this eventually gets a part two, considering Rain Code, a newly released game at this time, has a GNC / enby character, Halara Nightmare
@mithranruwodoalvisbeseitri9811
@mithranruwodoalvisbeseitri9811 2 жыл бұрын
The attack helicopter never gets old with you people lol
@Singe41
@Singe41 2 жыл бұрын
🚁🚁🚁🚁
@jessevazquez8984
@jessevazquez8984 2 жыл бұрын
I have a problem of not fully understanding everything transgender, gender fluid, non binary etc ... I have friends who are. I try fully grasp the idea of gender identity to understand my friends and i guess my self. Your video did help clear up some of the fog of war in my brain about the subject. Thanks. I always enjoy your videos.
@mmtruooao8377
@mmtruooao8377 2 жыл бұрын
tbh the most important part is just respecting what the person wants to be called and avoiding the biological gunk. just like, if someone asks to be called by a different name or pronoun, you try to use that until they tell you otherwise
@firelance00
@firelance00 2 жыл бұрын
@@mmtruooao8377 you can’t ignore biology. Even if you disagree with it it’s a fact.
@Poedoco
@Poedoco 2 жыл бұрын
@@firelance00 me doin ur mom is a fact 🥴 in all seriousness, i think the point went over your head. just respect people’s identities and don’t be a dick about it. people who hang onto biology are kinda jerks when it’s used against people. reinstating it inherently is patronizing, many people find it uncomfortable- as i do myself- and have to deal with that garbage in their life. people spewing shit like they own your body and don’t care what you have to say about it. so… be mindful next time.
@firelance00
@firelance00 2 жыл бұрын
@@Poedoco People who are identifying you with your biological pronouns is not inherently patronizing you nor being prejudice to you in anyway (unless if they know and truly want to get under your skin then yeah I agree those people are dicks). Sure, you have the right to have a different identity from that of your biological one. However do we have to conform and cater to it? No, we don't have to. But is it disrespectful? No, we aren't. To say we are jerks for stating basic facts (again it isn't disrespectful) is not helping why we should have to cater and agree with you guys (and no I'm not transphobic and other -phobics you (may or may not) think I am. I too believe people are free to explore and express themselves freely (sexuality and identity)). But you know what else is disrespectful and uncomfortable? Being stalked and harassed in college for not sharing the same ideals and beliefs as others because thats what i had to deal with for years.
@ica3377
@ica3377 2 жыл бұрын
@@firelance00 like it's not okay to get stalked, but it is also not okay to, and yes, it is disrespectful, disrespect someone's pronouns.
@theinfantmetroid
@theinfantmetroid 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact! In the German translation of the Houseki no Kuni/Land of the Lustrous (known as Land der Juwelen in German) manga the gems use the German equivalent of xe/xim pronouns, which I think is cool as hell
@icravedeath.1200
@icravedeath.1200 2 жыл бұрын
Wait, WHAT!
@ButtercheeseYay
@ButtercheeseYay 2 жыл бұрын
Moment, was genau für Personalpronomen? Es hat sich ja im Deutschen noch nix genderneutrales durchgesetzt im Allgemeingebrauch, daher das Interesse.
@mobilesprout8457
@mobilesprout8457 2 жыл бұрын
Wait I am literally German and don’t know about genderneutral pronouns in that language Please tell me I‘m really interested
@Kiirabu197
@Kiirabu197 2 жыл бұрын
@@ButtercheeseYay bin genauso verwirrt und interessiert 😅
@X4R2
@X4R2 2 жыл бұрын
Haha, all the Germans replying are confused. German is my second language and I don't know what pronoun you are talking about either.
@olive_oil_arts5095
@olive_oil_arts5095 2 жыл бұрын
As a lady flirting with gender-nonconformism, this was a lovely watch. Also this is the first video of yours I've seen and holy stromboli your voice is so soothing-
@maudepinterest5673
@maudepinterest5673 Жыл бұрын
I read somewhere that in Japan, saying one has the "heart of a [gender]" is a more direct allusion to a perception of a person as trans than the equivalent phrase in English.
@EmSwaff2
@EmSwaff2 2 жыл бұрын
I'm honestly impressed with how the dub for Land of the Lustrous managed to never use a gendered term. It took a bit for me to even notice, but I really appreciate the effort put into the script.
@VMKjelly
@VMKjelly 2 жыл бұрын
1. It’s criminal you didn’t mention Kurama 2. Look at Level E for some transman rep. Some of the plot revolves around a transman that is chosen by aliens to reproduce and destroy the world. However since his biology doesn’t work for this purpose they change him biologically. (basically perfect gender affirming surgery). This takes time to be fully in affect and in the meantime we need a solution to prevent the world from ending. But instead of forcibly changing the transman’s biology back to “female” they come up with a different solution. Essentially giving trans people the right to exist and not have to sacrifice themsleves or their identity for the fate of the world.
@gaybutinwhatway594
@gaybutinwhatway594 2 жыл бұрын
Heck yeah!
@mmtruooao8377
@mmtruooao8377 2 жыл бұрын
damn i wish i could get super-transitioned by aliens destroy the world
@robinchesterfield42
@robinchesterfield42 2 жыл бұрын
@@mmtruooao8377 (shakes head sadly) Don't we all, buddy. Don't we all. But seriously Level E sounds kinda amazing. I want to look it up now. :)
@vortex3010
@vortex3010 2 жыл бұрын
I totally just rewatched that recently!!! Level E is a great but weird show :)
@indigowendigo8165
@indigowendigo8165 2 жыл бұрын
Kurama who? :? You mean Yu Yu Hakusho? :p Yeah, he's awesome.
@helenacreager4283
@helenacreager4283 Жыл бұрын
I would like to thank you for including the Amazon Trio, The Starlights, Haruka, Ranma and Wandering Son. Wandering Son doesn’t get enough attention. This video made me happy as a non-binary he/they human. Thank you again.
@knucklehead5322
@knucklehead5322 2 жыл бұрын
Just discovering your channel for the first time, and I’m absolutely here for your energy. These past few videos I’ve seen of yours give off the coziest of auras and that’s exactly what I’ve been looking for. Thanks for passing the vibe check
@shukuchishikeishuu9540
@shukuchishikeishuu9540 2 жыл бұрын
Just gonna point out that the vessels from Hollow Knight are confirmed to have no gender, both with the pronouns used to refer to them, but also because the one sibling they have who *isn't* a vessel is distinctly referred to as "the gendered child." Ghost, Hollow, and their thousands of siblings are enby babies, and I adore all of them. Also, Eden from the Binding of Isaac is also confirmed by Edmund McMillen to be gender nonconforming. In his own words: "Eden isnt a man, nor are they a woman.. they just are." And it also ties into the gameplay, since Eden starts with randomly generated stats and items every run, they also are given a random hairstyle--which can either be masculine, feminine, or androgynous. And I love it.
@dolphi6271
@dolphi6271 2 жыл бұрын
thats pretty cool! tho i wouldn't hold your breath, Nora is a f u jõ$hï and has drawn borderline nsfw of under aged BNM HA characters.
@shukuchishikeishuu9540
@shukuchishikeishuu9540 2 жыл бұрын
@@dolphi6271 I'm sorry, but I'm confused as to what that has to do with my comment.
@EeveeDropk-k-s-k
@EeveeDropk-k-s-k 2 жыл бұрын
K1-B0 from danganronpa could also be another example. It was actually talked about in the game a bit but everyone just refers him as a he bc of his voice and overall appearance
@shukuchishikeishuu9540
@shukuchishikeishuu9540 2 жыл бұрын
@@EeveeDropk-k-s-k That's true, I suppose genderless characters who prefer certain pronouns would also apply. Like many of the Legendary Pokemon in the Mystery Dungeon series. Azelf, Uxie, Manaphy, Jirachi, non-shiny Celebi, Dialga, Darkrai -- he/him Mesprit, shiny Celebi -- she/her
@EeveeDropk-k-s-k
@EeveeDropk-k-s-k 2 жыл бұрын
@@shukuchishikeishuu9540 yeah something like that
@nyxboi427
@nyxboi427 2 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite gender-nonconforming characters is Emporio Ivankov from One Piece. Now the series has a lot of weird/insensitive jokes about genderqueer characters, but everything about Ivankov is so cool. He has the ability to control hormones and can use them on anyone he touches, which is like every queer person's wet dream. He was even made the King/Queen of Kamabakka Kingdom, where a majority of the world's Okama (yes this word is used a lot in the series for queer characters) live safely from the oppression of the World Government and other bigots. Ivankov literally uses his own Pride and hormones to fight an evil government with other Gay Anarchists. Hello, based department.
@lysander3262
@lysander3262 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, but if only one is going to make the list, it has to be Bon-chan, IMO.
@kikankuro
@kikankuro 2 жыл бұрын
Please make more videos like this, it makes difficult conversations so much easier with such detailed descriptions and easy references!
@Illustrioustaco
@Illustrioustaco 2 жыл бұрын
I love this video. I wish I could present as masculine , but I have a hard enough time getting people to realize that I'm not wearing feminine clothing. Seeing the breakdown you laid out, and getting the sense that I shouldn't have to intentionally try to dress as nonbinary to be respected as nonbinary helps and also makes me want to cry. I wish I could also dress in feminine things and not have people default to " I'm glad you're getting over that tomboy phase". Anyways. Thank you for making these videos xD. I feel less alone even as I always seem to come away questioning things about myself.
@SkyeWint
@SkyeWint 2 жыл бұрын
If you want a really really adorable "they/them" character in media, may I suggest the adorable indie game "OneShot"? It came out before Undertale did, and features an adorable little child character called "Niko" (who is also a neko, but that is not the point of the name lol). They are... feminine, but childish and kinda tomboyish? Not even specifically androgynous, just "either/neither".
@SkyeWint
@SkyeWint 2 жыл бұрын
@Skye Farnan Neko is also used as a colloquial abbreviation for "nekomimi", literally translated to "cat ears" but colloquially translated to "cat person"! That is the sense in which I meant it. ^^
@andrasfogarasi5014
@andrasfogarasi5014 2 жыл бұрын
They are but a sweet innocent child. Their gender is indiscernible from their mannerisms or appearance. So in total, their gender is: Unknown. Unspecified. N/A. Perhaps that is an uncomfortable thought for you if you're incapable of handling people without categorising them. Poor you.
@SkyeWint
@SkyeWint 2 жыл бұрын
@@andrasfogarasi5014 Not sure why the sarcastic spite. Niko is specifically not referred to as male or female, including in third person. You may say this is due to them being a child, but the point remains. Whether they are simply androgynous, nb, indeterminable, or some other thing - it is entirely possible to read them as nb if desired, which was mentioned many times in this video. But perhaps it is an uncomfortable action for you to read the words people say, and/or respond without assuming nonsense. Poor you.
@nicolelouise7295
@nicolelouise7295 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my! I think I watched Markiplier play that completely forgot about it, I dont really remember the story but I think is has something to do with lighting up the city and we had a partner to help us out I think? And thats about it, so I guess I could qualify for a blind play thru. It was very wholesome but at the time horror was such a big thing to young me so wasn't really looking for that, no wonder I forgot about it but I should really go back to that! It was so cute!
@SkyeWint
@SkyeWint 2 жыл бұрын
@@nicolelouise7295 Yeah! It's absolutely gorgeous, and it isn't even horror!
@TheAngelicTrickster
@TheAngelicTrickster 2 жыл бұрын
For gender nonconforming characters might I recommend Gowther from the anime Seven Deadly Sins. He's a doll given the face of his creator's girlfriend but assigned male by said creator. He likes to dress in gender ambiguous and feminine clothes. He's one of my favorite characters of all time and I wish I had his gender.
@moonoftheblood
@moonoftheblood Жыл бұрын
Gowther wearing the tavern uniform gives me LIFE
@colsenthissell1012
@colsenthissell1012 3 ай бұрын
I loved this top 10 video because you discussed context and nuance before going into the actual list. There ought to be more videos with similar format!
@luisfernandopasquinelli2787
@luisfernandopasquinelli2787 2 жыл бұрын
Great list! Now I really wanna watch Ramna 1/2 again. I was too young when I first watched it. It might be a fun time. I think my favorite one is Link. Also, it's weird being in my late 20s starting now to question my gender, but I guess we learn new things every day. I don't feel like a woman and never did, so I don't think I'm trans, but lately, I've been questioning if I really wanna just fit in as a man, so might be enby, or just a non-conforming man. I love your videos, so keep up with your good work!
@jonnysac77
@jonnysac77 2 жыл бұрын
Kino from Kino's Journey is notable to me as a character with a deliberately ambiguous gender who has verbally denied being gender as either male or female, they only wanna be referred to as Kino, there gender was originally planned to be just a surprise but the author choose to leave it ambiguous for the reader's interpretation
@jonnysac77
@jonnysac77 2 жыл бұрын
@Mauricio Aguilera Kino's biological sex is clearly stated to be female, Kino's gender is never outright confirmed to be male or female
@thekagepro24
@thekagepro24 2 жыл бұрын
Is Nadeshiko/Nagihiko not mentioned at all here? I would've thought they'd show up at some point. In Shugo Chara, a character named Nadeshiko is introduced, who is admired by the protagonist for how feminine and beautiful she is. She's an extremely talented traditional dancer on top of that. When she moves away to travel abroad, she's gone for a while until coming back as Nagihiko. It's explained to us that Nagihiko had identified as Nadeshiko for a long while in order to better fit into the genre of dance she's talented at. He later develops a passion for more relaxed, hiphop type dancing, and it's explained that neither Nadeshiko nor Nagihiko are fake, that they identify differently as they feel is right to them. This is shown in the fact that they get two Shugo Charas (small guardian spirits that embody one's ideal self) for their more feminine and masculine presentations. Using varied types of dancing AND a unique magical system as a way to explore their genderfluidity and self-expression is SUCH a unique way of tying a genderfluid character into a story. Shugo Chara's biggest theme as a WHOLE is self-identity and exploration, and Nadeshiko/Nagihiko is one of the most obvious examples of the theme as a result. I never see enough people talk about them, even though they might be my favorite Shugo Chara character!
@teddytackleson595
@teddytackleson595 Жыл бұрын
I loved how analytical this video was, and I also loved the moments where you cut loose and gushed for like 1.2 seconds. Was super great to watch!
@oddsocks3723
@oddsocks3723 10 ай бұрын
I present another canonically non-gendered character: Hange Zoe. Only ever referred to by they/them pronouns, presents and sounds androgynous, and the author has specifically avoided talking about gender. People in the fanbase (of the anime specifically) tend to refer to them as a woman purely because the voice actor (i think) is a woman. However the character is given a much more androgynous and low voice (speaking from the chest as a man stereotypically would but with a vocal range in between the normal woman or man's). Are they intersex? Are they non-binary? Do they not give a fuck about gender? Who knows! All i know is that i love them and that they're my favourite character from AoT.
@bright_eyes5052
@bright_eyes5052 2 жыл бұрын
I highly recommend Astra: Lost in Space for another wonderful GNC character to add to your list. They are one of my favorite characters period and the English dub did so much to add even more depth to their character.
@Mooncalfproductions
@Mooncalfproductions 2 жыл бұрын
They're even voiced by a Non Binary Actor, Ciarán Strange, in the Dub! Which means there are TWO NB Actors in that dub since Josh Grelle - who voiced Kuranosuke in Princess Jellyfish - came out as NB last year ^___^
@bright_eyes5052
@bright_eyes5052 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mooncalfproductions Yes there are and it's fantastic
@catsquid2632
@catsquid2632 2 жыл бұрын
I love them!!!! astra is so awesome
@m-the-bug
@m-the-bug 2 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised you didn't mention Haruhi's father from Ouran Highschool Host Club so I'll mention them here. From what I remember Haruhi's biological father (as in the person providing the sperm, rather than the egg or carrying the child to term.) Is portrayed as a man who dresses as a woman a majority of the time, and uses she/her pronouns, yet still uses the title Dad. Additionally, we're told that he's been doing this for a very long time including during his marriage to Haruhi's mother, and that she didn't care, and loved 'him' anyway. Which technically, means that Haruhi's mom was heteroflexible at least, and with two icons like that for parents, is it really any wonder that they turned out a gnc legend? (/hj) but more important to me was my reaction to seeing this character because looking back I didn't have any strong feelings. If I was really the person my parents were trying to raise me to be I should have been angry and disgusted but I didn't care. It didn't bother me. So what, Haruhi's dad dresses like a mom? That's silly, and kinda neat. It seems like he cares abt Haruhi, though, in his own way. Can we get back to the romance now? And I think having a character like that, that I could accept so casually, set me up to be accepting of more in the future, including my own relationship with gender, and the changing genders of those around me. Tl;dr, did Haruhi's dad make me queer? No, but she certainly helped.
@AndSoWeLaughed
@AndSoWeLaughed 2 жыл бұрын
He’s a drag queen.
@astrocake584
@astrocake584 Жыл бұрын
@@AndSoWeLaughed It’s debatable. Because we never see them outside of drag and well, the boys call them a “tranny.” Which yeah, is pretty bad but it came out before the slur was a well-known issue. Personally, I think they’re on the trans spectrum.
@ginalopez9047
@ginalopez9047 Жыл бұрын
Thank you educated us how babies are made😒
@anonymousanon3055
@anonymousanon3055 9 ай бұрын
Nice vid, thanks for making and sharing
@aaronkennedy7458
@aaronkennedy7458 2 жыл бұрын
I was looking at the group of characters you had near the beginning and I got such a big smile on my face when I saw Taako. I love the adventure zone
@Zephyr_Zeitgeist
@Zephyr_Zeitgeist 2 жыл бұрын
Y'all need to know about Cybersix, a genetically engineered supersolidier that presents female when she is a superhero, but as male when in his civilian secret identity. The animation is incredible, and the story is about her fighting against the evil organization that created him, against the 'monsters' created like she was. Him being a 'failed' experiment by her rejecting becoming a weapon. But is that something he can even reject? Assigned Weapon At Birth.
@monkeyboy8569
@monkeyboy8569 2 жыл бұрын
I love hearing about all the media comments. This one is a pretty interesting concept. I'll be sure to spread the word
@beeblybob5832
@beeblybob5832 2 жыл бұрын
YES, EXACTLY, THANK YOU!! I can't tell you how happy I am seeing someone bring up Cybersix out in the wild, especially in this context, holy shit.
@LaZodiac
@LaZodiac 2 жыл бұрын
@@beeblybob5832 Cybersix is brilliant because it solves the love triangle issue by having said triangle be just two people. The love interest for Cybersix is bi and in love with both identities, and none of them are aware of any of this.
@beeblybob5832
@beeblybob5832 2 жыл бұрын
@@LaZodiac that's exactly the way I saw it! One of the reasons why I love the show so much- extremely validating for me personally :D. The focus on Cybersix's human identity rather than gender identity, with it (as least from what I remember) being treated as a normal part of her character, and there's no denying the chemistry that Lucas has with Cybersix, either way she presents himself. It's just... *chef's kiss* Love this show.
@mascotwithadinosaur9353
@mascotwithadinosaur9353 2 жыл бұрын
The intro is so good!
@matuili2633
@matuili2633 2 жыл бұрын
I wish you talked about Najimi, from Komi-san can't communicate. They're the most popular person in school and everyone likes them, and nobody cares about "what" they are, just their pesonality (Aside from Tadano in the start, because Najimi had presented as a man before to him). May not be the best example, but I think they're pretty cool.
@notationmusical
@notationmusical 2 жыл бұрын
Najimi is best Najimi.
@playererror4044
@playererror4044 2 жыл бұрын
Najimi is a magnificent troll
@leasagna2202
@leasagna2202 2 жыл бұрын
im really happy how the mangaka made them popular and social :)
@_stardustcolors
@_stardustcolors 11 ай бұрын
one gnc character i really like is garry from ib. garry uses "atashi" to refer to himself in japanese and uses a lot of feminine speech patterns in both japanese and english, however he is still explicitly referred to as a man in both languages. also, kouri (the game's creator) stated in a comment on a drawing he made of garry in a kimono that garry "wants to cross the barriers of gender". so basically, garry is gnc as hell.
@passedthevibe-check141
@passedthevibe-check141 2 жыл бұрын
Frisk and Team Rocket were quite amazing to me as a child.
@patricklee9416
@patricklee9416 2 жыл бұрын
Surprised Stars Align didn’t get brought up here. Has a wonderful character who actually comes out as non-binary in the show. The show is very serious, as lots of people like to call it trauma tennis but it’s still a really good show with serious issues that’s really good at tone. Now if only we got the second half
@themangoman9315
@themangoman9315 2 жыл бұрын
link really is the GOAT
@artisticcannibalism1350
@artisticcannibalism1350 2 жыл бұрын
Until I read this comment I never really thought of Link that way and now I don't want to think of them in any other way. It just fits them so perfectly on several layers!
@jonathanluzgonzalez7510
@jonathanluzgonzalez7510 8 ай бұрын
So glad my personal algorithm suggested your videos, I love these vids and I learn a lot from your content :3
@ArtsSleepy
@ArtsSleepy 2 жыл бұрын
This video is amazing! Thank you so much for making this!
@jaiden8529
@jaiden8529 2 жыл бұрын
I'll say this till the day i die: we deserve a Soul Eater Brotherhood. The manga has so much to animate and the story has been great so far! Plus we can have more Crona content to bless our hearts (btw now we have a new member to the gender nonconforming team, Yuka from Blue Period! They are such a good and complex character and they deserve the whole world)
@HewleyxAngel
@HewleyxAngel 2 жыл бұрын
I’d love to give a special shout out to Pisces Aphrodite from Saint Seiya for being absolutely gorgeous and the morally grey hero we deserve. As while introduced as one of the antagonists of the Sanctuary arc, Aphrodite is generally a heroic character, including being the biggest factor in defeating Loki in the Soul of Gold spinoff. And various other spin offs have also depicted them in very lovely dresses and fashionable blouses, pants, and heels. According to one interview with the creator, he even based Aphrodite off of a drag queen he knew. Also I hc Aphrodite as genderfluid, and basically being beautiful regardless of current identity or presentation.
@kaririyon
@kaririyon 2 жыл бұрын
Saint Seiya is full of wonderful gnc characters, I'm so glad you mentioned it. Shun in particular means the world to me personally, esp since his personal character arc is about how he doesn't have to compromise his more "feminine" traits (like gentleness and pacifism) in order to be seen as a valid man (and I read him as gnc transmasc in this context too hehe). The ways Shun and Aphrodite both subvert expectations in similar yet distinct ways is sooo satisfying to dissect Also BIG yes to genderfluid Aphrodite!!!
@FrostDrive
@FrostDrive 11 ай бұрын
This was an awesome video. Love it :"D
@AmbiguouslyAnonymous
@AmbiguouslyAnonymous 2 жыл бұрын
I really love this video so muchhh It's really nice to see characters actually being recognized as just being nonconforming and not trying to force random labels to apply to them (because honestly, they're not even necessary most of the time) One small point I'd like to bring up though is at 15:25 - 15:50 (This is kind of confusing for me to word but I'm gonna try my best because I think it's an important point to be made) _EDIT: I said "small point" but after writing everything down, it is NOT small at all. Sorry for being so long-winded. lol._ While it is totally fine and valid to interpret or 'headcanon' a character as whatever you'd like them to be (I've definitely done that before myself) I think it's also important to remember that there's a difference between said character being headcanoned as something and actually BEING something. If one person does that, it's fine generally, but when a larger group or even whole community starts to accept that 'headcanon' or 'interpretation' as being canon when it's not, it can actually be really self-defeating. Like, for instance, earlier in the video, you mentioned that there is a lack of any notable transmale characters, which is entirely true. So hypothetically, let's say I'm transmale myself and I feel really bothered by the lack of representation one day, so I try to seek out a transmale character that I can identify and relate to. I can't seem to find any, but then I stumble upon an episode of Fairly Odd Parents where Trixie Tang crossdresses and disguises herself as a boy so that other people don't find out she has boyish interests. This isn't ever brought up again throughout the rest of the show, that entire part of her character is forgotten after that one episode, but I find myself relating to it so much that I just run with it. Soon, I tell my friends or post on Twitter about my headcanon of Trixie being trans, and maybe some people see the idea, like it, and retweet or post about it themselves. Then more people see those new posts, do the same thing, and the cycle repeats a few times until it's become a semi-popular headcanon. Suddenly, a random KZfaqr or news site catches on, and they decide to include Trixie Tang on their "Top 10 Trans Characters" countdown. Now, it REALLY starts to catch on, except now when people are talking about it, they neglect to mention it's a headcanon, or don't give the full context. Suddenly, Trixie Tang starts getting praised for being a trans icon when she never was one in the first place. Maybe the creators even decide to roll with it because "yeah sure that's cool". And now you suddenly have this character who, despite not actually being trans representation, is being presented as such. So now, when a new showrunner comes along and decides "I want to have a trans character in my show/novel/etc. too!" They'll stumble upon the now popular Trixie Tang, and only seeing the publicity, thinks that she's the perfect character to emulate for trans representation. Due to not having actually been a trans character or one that's representative of the trans experience at all, you suddenly get a new 'trans' character who's just a really shallow interpretation of what it means to be trans. Then, the media picks up on this shallow interpretation and praises it (because let's be real, the vast majority of major news networks have no clue what they're talking about with this stuff) and because the media praised this character, you have ANOTHER new creator come along (most likely not being trans themselves), and thinking that this is how you write a transmale character, decide to write their character in the exact same way. This keeps happening and now, suddenly, you've gone from a cute headcanon of a character from one of your favourite cartoon characters being transmale, to an entire army of shallow, poorly written interpretations of what it means to be trans. A real, actual example of this sort of phenomenon (although a bit different and perhaps less extreme) would be when J.K. Rowling tried to insist that Hermione had been black in the Harry Potter books the entire time, despite numerous pieces of evidence (and even lines of text in the actual novels) contradicting this. The media (and even fans) ran WILD with this, and tried to insist that Hermione was indeed black, and that Rowling and her novels were super progressive and empowering. Obviously in the play, Hermione was played by a black woman, but trying to insist that the original novel character herself was as well is just frankly dishonest. Almost the exact same thing happened with Dumbledore. He had never been shown, in literally anyway, to be gay. But after the original novels were finished, Rowling announced that Dumbledore was gay, and the press ate it up. Suddenly, he was considered gay representation for, quite honestly, no reason. You could say that Hagrid was actually a transman the entire time, but if we read all of the novels, he very clearly never shown to be one. And yet, even though that could be considered just as valid of an interpretation as Dumbledore being gay, the latter is praised as representation because....Rowling said so? Because some news network said so? Is Dumbledore how all gay males should be written now to be considered good representation? Thankfully, Rowling didn't completely get away with this, as after promising she would explore Dumbledore being gay in the second Fantastic Beasts movie and completely sidestepping the issue, she got rightfully called out on her BS. I can't help but wonder, though, that if it weren't for her coming out as TERF and transphobic, if anyone would've cared about Dumbledore's representation in Fantastic Beasts? Part of me wants to say some people still would, but at the same time, it feels much more likely that the media, and even fans, would've just "settled". And that's the thing--the point of that overly long fable and the JK Rowling situation is that we don't WANT to just "settle" for characters who SEEM like they could be gay, lesbian, trans, non-conforming, intersex, etc. (or in Hermione's case, black) Those can be nice for headcanons, but it's still super important we never stop pushing for actual, good, well-written representation of these sorts of characters. If we all always only "settle" for representation, then we're never going to get GOOD representation, because companies, producers, etc. will think they're already doing all they need to do to please us. We'll just get more Dumbledores, more Hermiones, more half-hearted attempts at representation that don't actually care if they're good or not. Obviously people ARE still fighting for good representation, and the fact that we've only just started to get good representation is all the more reason why it's important that we keep NOT settling so that we DON'T relapse. After all, the louder and stronger our voice is as a group, the more they'll have to the listen, and the more they'll be forced to actually give us the good representation we deserve. And of course if we push to get more gay, lesbian, trans, noncomforming, etc. people into more writing, directing, acting, artist, etc. roles, that would certainly be lovely too
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