Good list

@knightofthelake8112 that's ok Ashwattama is cooler than him anyway arjuna had no honor and karna would have beat him fair and square lol.

​@@namelessvoid9725if you are talking about real life mythology then please go first and read actually what happened before saying Arjuna had no honor.

Class cards are weaker than the actual servants except for shirou's archer card because of the compatibility between the user and the servant

and it funny because the feat of fate kaleid shirou was a reference to the statement from nasu that gil could finish the stay night grail war in one day if he was serious

For me that would be Jason, the atalante kick is priceless

@@knightofthelake8112 Hahaha😂

@@knightofthelake8112 in short the argonauts have the funniest np's

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Orion's voice actor (same as Cu's) is awesome. In the serious versions of the NP, you can feel his devotion to Artemis, and in the goofy version, he absolutely nails the humor.

Honestly I would place him above Tristan and Nobu

Ccc Emiya is stronger than most of them

my opinion Emiya said himself is Magician, as for Gilgamesh strong but not true Archer.

Grand Berserker: Florence Nightingale

There's archer kama on fgo arcade

​@@xenolulsifer karna as per real mythology is an demi god who uses bow as his main weapon and he was so much powerful than arjuna that multiple gods had to curse karna, his sun god shield being taken away and him not using his ultimate attack against arjuna due to his promise to his mother as he blood related brother of arjuna that was left by his mother so he was elder and superior to arjuna in every way. But he was on the wrong side(i.e against the god and goodness itself) that is why he had to die for goodness to prevail. He himself was really a honest and charitable person though.

​@@elitegamer8008u are wrong. In terms of pure skills Arjuna was the best Archer. Karna just has Hax which basically made him immortal. There were many instances where that shield of his saved his life against Arjuna So god's have to take out those things first and they did gave him another boon in Return. Though he ended up using that against ghatotkach

​@@pratyush8741yeah, but overall karna would win 10/10 times, because of his bow,armour, he can't loose with his bow in his hand,nothing can pierce his armour in myth.

I honestly can't have him here unless you give me a reason why he'd be here

@@knightofthelake8112 Aside from the fact that he is a NP spammer in fgo with his skills, the feats that he did during the fate routes even taking down your number 1. While I know if he was serious from the beginning that wouldn’t be the case, the fact that pride is the key factor for his defeat proves that. Not only that I’ll refer you to someone who has done the research on why EMIYA should be considered: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/orqjeqWjnpiseYk.htmlsi=Aif3k-uc73qGBf_7 and kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qsimkpNllbvOYY0.htmlsi=YN9BCG0oWrDMN8b8

@jaylonchachere2424 I appreciate the reasoning but there's a huge problem in emiya's case, that being speed, emiya gets consistently blitzed by stay night cu, chiron who is the weakest here was reacting and took down Achilles' chariot while it was moving at the speed of light. David fought on par with Hector and one shotted herc with his second noble phantasm, tesla stated he could one shot America with his noble phantasm. Emiya has great showings depending on his plan, but with equal conditions in an empty area with no outside interventions he is not beating anyone in this list.

He doesn't have authority, the counterforce gives him power necessary to deal with the threat, and mostly in that case he wouldn't be limited to an "archer" class container

Orion here is ranked with his grand saint graph. With a grand saint graph Orion is stronger than any normal servant.

@@knightofthelake8112 so you’re telling me he’s complex multiverse level? Try your best to avoid spoilers. I’m in China LB3

@@ACagedBird364 That's not how it works in Fate. Gilgamesh has more fire power and abilities. But because super Orion is a grand servant, he has a grand saint graph, and therefore automatically outclasses Gilgamesh who has a regular saint graph. Stuff like complex multiverse is really nothing but nonsense so try not to waste your time thinking about it.

@@ACagedBird364not exactly, what makes Orion technically stronger is that his spirit core is abnormally powerful when summoned as a Grand Archer, his core is basically buffed by Alaya or the Counterforce or whatever, making his saint graph so overpowered that it isn’t even funny, but there is a valid reason their saint graphs are altered to be so powerful, they’re meant to take out beasts of humanity and therefore their saint graphs are fed mana roids so they can effectively murder whatever target they’re sent after.

@@KellyCalKelsey Where are you getting this information? Do they explain this in the story? I’m only at Lostbelt 3. But imagine needed to be summoned as a grand servant to take down beasts of humanity when Gilgamesh already goes that. Isn’t King Hassan a grand assassin?

Nah , that pride is the effective from that era . Arccher gil may too arrogant but not that let him lose against anyone . And u ask for why him losing? go check who is the main protagonist of ubw and heaven's feel

You misunderstand Gilgamesh's character his arrogance is based on the fact that "Mongrels" are aiming for his treasure he used to have when he was alive aka the Holy Grail and so he sees people who want to steal his treasure as Irrelevant and unworthy of attention + When he saw the state of the holy grail he understood the state of humanity and as he is clearly the overseer of humanity it angered him that humanity had fallen to such a state and had become so malicious

That's true. Even though Gil's kit makes him one of the best anti-Servant Servants, he probably would lose pretty handily to Nobu's NP. It's well-positioned to counter Gate of Babylon like Unlimited Blade Works is, and she has an anti-Divine bonus on top of that. Whipping out Ea right off the bat would still take care of Nobu, but Gil's far too prideful to ever do that.

I mean in Strange/Fake Heracles being a pseudo archer/avenger us actually what makes him such a beast. Hell he's even able to steal other servant NP and immune to hydra poison because he's part avenger. Literally getting the benefits of 2 classes

Yes but he lost his 12 lifes

Nope he didn't go toe to toe with Gilgamesh , he was about to lose against gob so I don't even see how he could potentially win if Gil used ea

@@hypeman1021 how did he lose to gob ?? Are you making shit up ? Gob didn’t harm anything of him, the lion skin and a single blow of Herc swinging the bow are enough to negate everything Gil threw at him. He even told Gil to release his strongest weapon aka EA since gob stand no chance against a monster like Herc

@whitelyly970 In the first fight gil was just messing around, in their second fight gil was aiming his gob to the gaps in the lion skin making alcides work even harder to block any fatale blow, gil literally bitch slapped one of his arrows with nothing but his gauntlet + gil started then seriously using gate of babylon causing alcides to use nine lives aka his strongest attack just to match it (herc btw was boosted by Jack's noble phantasm)

Nobunaga gets stronger against divine enemies, but her basic power is barely around okita's, even when buffed she still struggles against opponents like demon god pillars, ryouma and kagetora, gilgamesh on the otherhand was easily dealing with the eleven off springs of tiamat who are as strong as demon god pillars, + anyone above Nobunaga in this list can one shot her with their noble phantasm due to the massive difference in raw power.

nobunaga againt non divine enemies is weaker than you think if she uses it against divine gods she will become way stronger

@DeadApostleAncestor10 David fought Hector in cqc, + his np killed herc once and he literally has a king hassan in a box to one shot anyone, so anyone who can't straight up overpower him is basically not winning against David. Alcides is a mixed archer/avenger so I didn't count him, Zhou yu is honestly not qualified to be on this list in my opinion, why do you think he is in any way on the level of the guys in this list?

​@@knightofthelake8112 Fair enough explanation for David Still I would count Alcides as a archer because he can qualify for it nonetheless Zhou yu literally has a reality marble and was able to hold off samson he has enough battle iq and iq to and can maintain a good distance with his opponent also chain that he can pull off from anywhere within his reality marble maybe not in this top 12 but reality marbles are still a great source of mystery solved I would say he is definitely up there Also Kali and Durga are here too now she should be above Ishtar because chief goddess but we never saw enough feats from her so I would say below her ig? Ptolemy weakening Typhon and allat

​@@knightofthelake8112Oh also just noticed Super orion above Gilgamesh? 😭 He ain't a grand anymore so idk why we including him as one among these I thought it was just servants? But if not then Gilgamesh is top 1 no debate

This list seems l over the place when I am watching it rn again like if it's not just servant variant then why is Gilgamesh below Super orion? Ishtar a goddess below Arjuna? Ash even what is this even based off

@DeadApostleAncestor10 Super Orion here was considered as his grand archer variant just for the fun of it, since he is the only grand archer we got. Ishtar in this list is the pseudo servant one, the one with an archer container, in which case she has no feats above arjuna whatsoever, even their noble phantasms, arjuna's is superior. Ashwattama is stated to be as strong if not stronger than karna, which is shy he is above arjuna (karna's equal) Kali and Durga are in the jp version only, so I can't get much informations about them.

@@thefakerking51 After Dark

@@knightofthelake8112 thank you!

Nah, Ashwathama Solos

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no not really he have a normal graph meanwhile orion have grand saint graph making his raw capabilities and power stronger than any normal server even gilgamesh even then gilgamesh is almost as powerful as orion imagine if gilgamesh obtains a grand saint graph

Hmm... if we are talking about raw power then sure, but as a heroic spirit I can't put a human among heroes with high levels of mystery like these.

nothing , i guess 🐧

At first he wasn't summoned as an archer in strange fake, then got corrupted to an Avenger

Well fgo better add that option in to the game like they did with 3 stars assassin's

Look, Emiya is strong, but he's not beating Archer Heracles nor some of the ones that came before. Gilgamesh destroys him by pulling out Ea. If we're talking about overall power, he's maybe above Tristan and Nobunaga. When it comes to overall combat ability then he may be able to get higher

@@prehistoriccreator9600 brother i dont think so . Emiya not that strong , the most strong thing he can do is counter against Gob , one of the best counter to Gob . His weapon and skill are almost fake and it's jusst too hard for him to win against sir tristan . Tríatan bow is just too op that emiya have no chance to open or casting his ubw . maybe in real fight type moon will buff him ( protangonist , of course ) but a match against sir tristan is just too difficult

@@hououinkyouma1465 First off, ubw isn't the only thing EMIYA has, it's just his most powerful thing. He can still fire swords rapidly just less efficiently. He also has access to multiple Noble Phantasms including Rho Ais, which has a conceptual advantage against projectiles, extremely useful against Archers. He's also able to mimic the strength and skill of the weapon he's using and is actually extremely skillful as complimented by Cu Chulainn, but has an inferiority complex and no pride in his skills. He has Mind's Eye, which allows him to keep up with faster and stronger opponents, as well as reinforcement to enhance himself along with buffs he can recieve from weapons(yes he does get buffs from some weapons). Besides, what does his weapons being fake have to do with anything anyway? I mean, who said a fake can't surpass the original? Also, he could most definitely cast UBW during the fight. He doesn't really need much room to breathe as he doesn't need to do the full chant to summon it unlike other Shirous and it really isn't that hard to believe he could make enough room to say 4 short lines, especially when he has one of the best shields in Fate.

@@prehistoriccreator9600 hmm , i think u are wrong in this point : shirou said fake can surpass the original one? Yep shirou is wrong , the only thing fake can surpass the original is the cost of mana and quanity with emiya ability . When break , he can instantly trace on a new one but don't forget that mana is limited and emiya don't have a good magical energy as good as rin , his energy is low tier as C if not lower . Also the problem here is rho aias can't protect the user's back , and tristan arow come from many death corner , not only straight shot line like gil Gob so shiled is not the problem here . Emiya is actually extremely skillful? Nah , that because Cú chulain is mid . In the first battle , Cú should have win emiya because his lance is the counter against emiya short blade but no , he couldn't win . The thing cú good at isn't close combat but his speed ( he's faster or at least as fast as medusa in ubw arc ) . Luckily , he did really show his speed in the second battle with emiya after him betrayed shiro group and just nearly win . The only thing i don't understand is why he release his noble phantasm right after then choose to forgive emiya but cú can win without np . Back to the main point , Sir tristan 's attack is dense and just wont give his enemy any room for casting or release their np if they aren't fasst like some of lancer class or rider class ( maybe berserker? Their class have a good dura and they won't need to evade . But just maybe because tristan arrow can easily rip their enemies heart off if they not dodge . Certainly , emiya isn't that fast and has being outspeed by cú chulain and remember that cú chulain speed is at B tier . Btw all tristan 's stats is higher tha emiya 1 or 2 rank . In conclusion , certainly the winner is emiya . Yep u didn't misheard , emiya'll win . Emiya luck is A ( actually S ) and tristan luck is E ( bro tf ) . As u know , luck = plot armor and emiya is just the protagonist of every nasu verse expect where he don't appear and the buff i said wasn't from his weapon but from the story writer. Tristan can only win this fight which have no other influences.

@@hououinkyouma1465 Firstly, no, Shirou's swords were able to break Gilgamesh's, which is mentioned in the VN. Mana isn't exactly an issue for EMIYA like it is for Shirou as he sinply has more mana to pull from or he doesnt need to use as much mana to do things, or a mox of both as seen with him being able summon UBW(which Shirou needed to borrow Rin's mana for) while weakened from not having a master and needing to sustain himself and still not straining himself. Also his Mana is literally a B better than some casters. Just checked the wiki and whatnot, there's nothing about Tristan being able to shoot at angles, just that his arrows are vacuum/wind arrows that goes extremely fast, which can be avoided because Mind's Eye, and if you want to say it's too fast to dodge than Rho Ais still works. Cu Chulainn is like the second most powerful Celtic hero after Scathach as well as the second most skilled, literally Irish Hercules. His strength and speed stats are 2 ranks higher than Emiya's and Emiya can still keep up with him because of Mind's Eye. Diarmuid, who's weaker than Cu, can fight Artoria on even footing and EMIYA stated that Cu was like top 3 in terms of skill when it came to Spearman. As for their two fights, in the first one Lancer was sent to just observe and scout. He used his Noble Phantasm, specifically the thrown one because he caught onto Archer's plan, which was to drain Medea of her mana, which was stated in the VN. Fun fact, Cu was stated to be able to use his NP like 10 times in a row before needing to rest and recharge. Wdym by dense? Again Mind's Eye is a hell of a thing, and EMIYA can force CQC, which he is extremely proficient in. Also, Cu's speed in the Stay/Night series as well as in FGO is *A Rank*. Berserker Heracles stats minimum 2 ranks above EMIYA's except for Mana which is still one rank higher. EMIYA killed Berserker Heracles 6 times, either with or without UBW, and the thing is that if you want to say he used UBW, then you admit that he casted UBW while under pressure from an extremely agressive, faster, and stronger opponent who has better stamina and if not using UBW, he killed Heracles, who is massively stronger and faster and still has much of his skill ingrained into him, 6 times without using UBW, just with weapons he projected mid fight. Also, EMIYA has access to reinforcement, which means he can buff his physical stats, as well as enhance his projections. He literally has Clairvoyance Rank C because of that and Shirou, who's worse than EMIYA at Reinforcement was able to keep up physically with Gilgamesh whose strength is a B. While I know you're just being a hater and whatnot, you aren't exactly wrong with Luck being a certain measure of Plot Armor as it is a ranking of how well someone defies their fate. The only route Archer doesn't get fucked in is the UBW route. In the Fate Route he nearly gets bisected by Saber then while still recovering, fights Heracles and dies. In Heaven's Feel, his spirit origin gets cracked while protecting Rin and the others from the Shadow, and cuts off his arm for it to be grafted to Shirou before he dies.

I can't put her anywhere on this list

Cause he is a BUM 😭

After dark - Mr kitty

Yeah no

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Heracles archer's nine lives with the bow of the hydra + god hand are too much for arjuna to handle, that's excluding the fact that archer herc potentially also have other noble phantasms.

@@knightofthelake8112 beg to differ because if Pashupata can easily kill 28 demon god pillars at once, may Zeus help Herc's 12 lives. Remember Gilgamesh even didn't need to use Ea on Herc. Herc wins if he has pandora, if he doesn't he loses against both Arjunq and Gil. He may lose against Gil even with pandora.

@@uselesshero.official Excuse me but this is a weird thing you just said. Yeah pashupata might kill herc sure. But herc can one shot arjuna with a normal attack lol. Herc isn't gonna stay still until arjuna charges his most powerful to it's full power to pull a mutual kill. If herc at his weakest class is stated to be match for saber artoria, then a massively more powerful herc should scale easily above arjuna who was outperformed a weakened charlemagne.

@@knightofthelake8112 that's where the strategy part comes. And no Berserker Herc is not in the same tier as saber Artoria with Avalon, although their raw stats might be comparable.

@@knightofthelake8112 Plus you're making many assumptions like Herc might have other nps but Arjuna won't. Actually we haven't seen an Arher Arjuna in anime while even in lancer class Karna was able to manage so many mini nps and skill in fate apocrypha that even Sieg and Siegfried were having a hard time. There's also this fact that both archer Emiya ( without ubw that is) and weakened saber Artoria ( with caliburn) managed to kill 6 lives of Berserker Herc at once.

Chiron, heracles, Orion, arjuna, ishtar XD

Excuse me? XD

Orion can increase all his strength prion is a giant human hunter in Greece with Artemis he has super human strength the Heroic spirit NP is based on their real status in real life

Artemis is a goddess of hunting

He lost most of his divinity along with his immortality after he got poisoned by the hydra venom.

@@knightofthelake8112 thanks, was confused about that one.

In strange fake he was summoned as an archer then altered into an avenger

Did you see any archer karna in fgo? I didn't 😅

Too weak to be here

@@knightofthelake8112 aff iyh

@@takabashi529 ?

​@@knightofthelake8112and You still put a 1 Star in the top xD

@@araragrainos7292 Stars have nothing to do with strength

No this is just archer gil

Did you see an archer karna somewhere in fate? 😅

He actually can

No archer class servant is BB level.

@@knightofthelake8112 Where brother? Emiya ccc has better effects than gilgamesh ccc, emiya obtained a mystical code that not even gilgamesh could reach, gilgamesh ended up having another mystical code. Emiya can change her stats to EX, gilgamesh and emiya have almost the same feats. When gilgamesh was thrown to another galaxya by BB, gilgamesh had to use a noble phantasm to get back,Emiya did it on speed alone. Emiya gilgamesh ccc>>>>>>>fgo The strongest beings in FGO cannot destroy Avalon, a 6D dimension, Gilgamesh and Emiya are on the same level as BB, an 8D being.

lost to heracles nerfed in artoria route are u kidding me? even with the plot armor of having the body of the protangonist ( shirou ) and still losing

@RaickLopes-hk6vr I can already tell u didn't read the different routes of ccc, first of all Gil and nameless didn't use the same mystic code, each servant u chose uses one based on compatibility with their origin, tamamo uses one to restore her 9 tails, gil uses one to restore his original strength from his myth, nero uses one to access her full potential as the emperor of Rome, the difference between these 3 and nameless is that their mystic codes only restored their original power, nameless on the otherhand had an external buff so it wasn't even his own power in the first place, additionally nothing remotely implies gil couldn't replicate the feat, nameless isn't the only one who did it through speed, tamamo and nero also did it, gil using a ship only reflects his personality which is based on making things easier for himself, he literally had the same stats as them aka the stars and the power to defy the 10 crowns, so it is easily provable that it's a speed feat all of them can replicate buddy. + they defeated BB through luck, they made it clear that her noble phantasm would one shot them if she used it + they were buffed by the magical energy resources from the school. They didn't defeat her because they are stronger, they did cause they had a hax to defy her authority and outside help to defeat her before she can actually fight back. The mystic code nameless had isn't his power, and after obtaining it he was no longer an archer anyway. Ccc gil isn't stronger than fgo, BB is literally an ant compared to ORT or Type earth, even goetia could annihilate her, should I remind you that even in extra ccc, BB wasn't even the strongest antagonist (even though she is way stronger than the mc servants), kiara later in the story surpassed BB and she was still considered weaker than buddha.

@@knightofthelake8112 im jealous with someone who have a playstation to play fate ccc :< i lost in most of the death battle due to haven't read fate ccc . Also big thanks to you who bring such a useful knowledge .

ARCHER CLASS SERVANT*

​@@knightofthelake8112bro in mythology he is an archer🥶

Doesn't qualify here, he either gets blitzed or straight up overpowered in a noble phantasm clash

@@knightofthelake8112 he pretty weak then ,😐

@kURo12529 Well he is very versatile so he is rather much more useful based on his intel on the enemy, but in a fight against let's say chiron with no previous knowledge, he'll just get blitzed from the start. Or against tesla if he starts with his np then tesla's anti-fortress EX rank noble phantasm will just fry him instantly

Nameless/CG emiya negs half this list even Gil nameless has mystic code suit so basically his fp unlock he beat bb fought a beast class kiara etc Cg emiya was said to be counter force for anything n have knowledge of everything + beast class

Hmm... XD You joking right?

@@knightofthelake8112 no I'm not

@@knightofthelake8112 before Shiro became archer he manage to fight Gilgamesh in fate UBW

@@DarkSchneider-g5w Yeah so? How is he surviving against even chiron? He would get blitzed

@@knightofthelake8112 watch bro

Lmao

Nice joke🤣🤣

​@@daemianne8122it's real

Who's that ?

Me when i lie

Yeah according to you emiya should be number 1, so sorry 😞

@@knightofthelake8112 I don't remember ever even implying, that Emiya is the strongest archer. Although, looking at this top, I guees, I should not be surprised by you putting words in my mouth.

@@fruktoid6950 Oh yeah don't worry. You don't have to imply it, I've already seen more than enough of your comments to know that arguing with you is harder than wrestling an elephant.

@@knightofthelake8112 it only seems hard, when you are an obvious Emiya downplayer, who considers Gilgamesh to be the strongest/second strongest archer and likes to put his own words into the mouths of others. Your top has other flaws, but I suppose, I should not trouble you with something as hard as wrestling an elephant. Believe what you will.

@@fruktoid6950 Its great that we agree on something 👍