Why do people hate fram so much

Been using Fram for more than 25 years on trucks, cars, farm equipment, etc. Not one problem. Ever.

thanks for letting us see this. It is appreciated. I like the middle one too. I have used fram filters for 30+ years and always do oil changes between 3 and 5 k. I had always used the low (base) price fram filters. Never had an issue with leaks or failures. The 04 f350D though, only gets the motorcraft filters due to all the horror stories I read with the fitment and seal issues. I assume its a correct choice. I did my first DIY oil change on it last week, 15 qts was a little messy on my driveway but it came out just fine. God Bless

Hello Fellow Carhaulics & Friends: Rich, thank you for your expert opinion on these 3 Fram oil filters. Have you noticed that it's us old timers that are pushing away the cloud of secrecy within the automotive industry. Yes these jiffy joints will install the cheapest filter / parts in an customer's vehicle & just send them on there way. These quick oil change places only care about 1 thing ( PROFIT ) !! For me personally I don't want to find cardboard in any filters on my vehicles. I most probably agree with you that the pink one in the middle will do nicely for a 5 k Interval. IMHO any person that purchases a filter solely on price is just asking for trouble + being totally stupid. Thank you again sir for your findings, your time, & efforts with the making of this video. May I wish you nothing but much success, good health, & my best to your family. TMP from N.J. 😊😊😊😊

LOLOl. I just put in a Baxter Conversion in to Jeep Wrangler JK yesterday and used the FE10575 as the new filter. I come to your page and an hour ago you are reviewing the FE filter. NICE!!!!!

They updated the orange can filter with metal end caps and some other stuff. Would like to see that. Appreciate all the testing and experimenting.

I have always bought the Fram Tough Guard or Synthetic depending on the oil I'm using and knock on wood have been pleased with the results. Wal-Mart offers these filters at a reasonable price.

Would have liked to see the Titanium. The Endurance is a Champion Labs made filter exclusively made for and available at Walmart, just like the Titanium is made for Advance Auto parts but on the regular Fram production line. I believe the Super Tech filters are or were made by Champion. The Titanium has the same wire backed full synthetic media as the 'old' Ultra before they went to that cellulose backing. The Endurance is a high flow filter, and advertised as such, which to go 25k it would need to be. The retail on the Endurance is $12.99. I would go with the Titanium. It has the Ultra media. One of the other things, the Champ Endurance filters have louvers instead of the holes in the center tube. I would say that the Ultra is a great filter for the money.

I bought a Fram endurance, Royal purple and amsoil oil filter. They all have the same filter media and all is built the same but in a different color and label. Same markings inside too!

Very good in depth video. That synthetic endurance looks pretty well built.

Fram Ultra and Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w-30 in my '17 F150 5.0... Great video as always Ford Boss. 🇺🇸👍🏽

never had a problem when i used the mid grades.i knew they wouldnt be on long enough to take advantage high flow rates & dirt capacities.just putting a few magnets on the outsides surprised me how much metalic powder they pull out of the oil stream when cut open for observation.

Excellent comparison Rich, personally I use the Ultra, I feel the Endurance is simply overpriced! In my Camaro SS I prefer the K&N Premium, but for the Sierra and Yukon, the Fram Ultra is my go to. Thank you for taking the time to make another outstanding video. Be blessed my friend, take care, cheers!

I like the new high flow synthetic fram filter.on my truck now.

Hey Rich, after doing a bit of internet sleuthing, it appears the new Fram FE filters are made by Champion Labs, which are also sold as Royal Purple and Amsoil filters. One thing I like about the FE vs the XG, at least in the 10575 flavor, is that it doesn't have the thick rubberized coating on the top, so I can use a filter socket on it to loosen.

Price and oil change intervals depend on how long you plan to own the vehicle. You don’t get more for your used vehicle if you spend more on oil and filter. If you are keeping a vehicle long term and willing to pay for more extensive repairs then spending more on oil changes with better filters and fluids is beneficial for engine life

I was always told to avoid Fram filters, I either run Mobil 1 or ACDelco Filters. Great video and interesting to see the filter breakdown and overall testing products for us dude 🤙🏻

I like the motocraft myself every 5000 miles and they inexpensive. Nice job bro

Great video, thanks Rich 👍😁

Ultra! ... of course, I change my oil every 3000 to 5000 miles depending on how much city driving I do. I guess I'm old fashioned. I can not even comprehend a possible 20,000 mile oil change.

I used to use the TG when I wanted to do a cheap oil change on an import car, I now use the Super tech because inflation, oil getting changed every 6 months anyway.

The endurance seems to have better flow characteristics based on the inner tube. More threads on the endurance is a big plus and a thicker gasket is also a huge benefit. I wouldn’t hesitate using endurance filter on my three-quarter ton Chevrolet 6.6 L gas especially with heavy towing. More flow is a huge plus.

The cheap orange one here in Canada is around 15$ CAD. We don't have the new blue one yet, but the gold one is around 30$ CAD wich is insane money for an oil filter, same as Mobil 1's. I get the AcDelco one from Rockauto for 6$ CAD. ONly place where oil filters are priced OK.

From what I have read in automotive forums and groups the Fram TG, Tough Guard is basically the same as the blue OEM Subaru oil filter.

😂😂😂. I was hoping for a little clarification. Thanks for the content

Love to see the efficiency report on the endurance and titanium.

I'm not all that impressed with that new Endurance filter. I would honestly just stick with the Ultra Synthetic and call it a day!

It's interesting that the Endurance has a label attached to the can....while even the cheaper Tough Guard can has the Fram info painted on. I will say the blue can does look pretty cool.

If I have a performance car, I will choose New 25k Filter, because it has a better circulation rate, and I will choose Ultra for daily transportation. If I change my oil every 5000 miles, do I need to change the filter every time? Is it safe to use Ultra to 10,000 miles? Thank you for letting us see what is inside those filters. God bless.

Purchased the new Fram Endurance Filter for my 2018 Expedition recently. It was about an inch taller than the compatible Fram Ultra filter 😮

thanks for the info have a good day brother.👍👍

I have used the Ultra with no issue. But I do prefer Wix, Baldwin, Hastings,

Interesting what Fram is doing with the lineup. Seems like the Endurance is what the Ultra used to be. If anything, if I would bet, the micron rating is inverse to what we might want to believe. You can’t have higher micron filtration and higher flow with longer filter life. It’s just not going to happen. As much as I hate the paper end caps, I have seen more residue (looks like black paint) at the bottom of the can with the Tough Guard. And shining a light from behind, the Tough Guard has more “dirt” in it then Ultra or Wix XP, Purolator Boss or any of the “long life, high capacity” filters. I’ve also seen the “black paint” on Purolator One and Baldwin as examples. These are 99% at 20 microns or better as far as I know. They are not rated as long life because they would plug. I’ve seen Baldwins start to collapse after 5000 miles. Not necessarily a bad thing as long as they don’t tear or bypass and as long as people don’t leave them on forever. I leave the “long life synthetic filters”at the store for the 20 k oil changers.

I’ve been using Fram ultra synthetic for years.

FRAM Ultra has always treated me well. Throw a new one in with every oil change. You can get the Ultra on sale for $8-$11 depending on your vehicle. So its affordable and works great.

Thanks!

I just picked up 6 fram endurance filters that were on clearance for $3.50, thats the only reason i bought them

The can of the Endurance might feel more bulky, stiff because its got the non slip on the entire thing versus the other two just for the hand area. If prices are like within pennies of each other, I'd get what evers in stock, though I highly doubt my store will ever get the Endurance. I am an avid fan and user of the Ultra Synthetic. Been using it on my vehicles now for well over 7 years.

25,000 mile filter. Hopefully it has a good bypass since it will be bypassed for 20,000 miles.

I'm okay with the XG. I never go above 5K oil change intervals anyway. Most of my garden/tractor equipment I use the XG (about 75 hours) and the filter/synthetic oil are just fine. 25K is just insane IMO.

cardboard endcap..avoid if possible.very good comparison.thank you again.🌚👍

I usually get fram because they are available mostly buy the cheapest one because I change oil every 5000 miles and use synthetic. Not sure if the synthetic filters really make a difference in protection

Can’t beat the ultra for the price. The endurance looks suspiciously like royal purple and amsoil. For the price I’d get purolator boss which is what I usually use.

Are the engine air filters just as good? I want to get the Fram Ultra Air engine filter but people say that they're not high quality.

back when you were testing all the different oil filters which one came out be number one. I can't find final video with results. I have used K&N gold for years. Congratulations on the new job

Would have liked to see the filter media stretched out and sq" shown. Great test though. I like Fram filters.

👍👍👍👍I might change to the Ultra

Hard to determine the best filter by looking at the materials used. I'm sure Fram designed the filter medium to perform in a certain way to give us the life expectancy. People also use different brands of oil which could effect engine wear? I chose the Endurance this time around and will be doing a drain and fill every 5,000 miles till I get 25,000 miles out of it. I use 0W20 Extended Protection Valvoline oil on my toyota Corolla. I plan on having this car a very long time and it is worth it to me to do short interval oil changes. Oil is cheaper than a worn out engine. Toyota recommends 10,000 mile intervals on my 2021.

How about comparing fram xg2 vs Purolator boss? What are your thoughts on them? Thx.

I've used fram for 45 years, no problems At All hand tighten per instructor my Grandfather miss him Dearly....

The Endurance appears to be the filter made for Amsoil. Maybe they just want to sell it under their own name, too. I just installed one of them on my car and noticed that the Endurance has a different bypass valve. No plastic plunger in the bottom of the filter. It is getting more difficult to keep up with the filter manufacturers these days!

Should've added the fram titanium to the comparison

Great video as always. Any details on the amount of oil restriction from those filters when compared to other brands? I remember hearing that the old higher-end Purolator filters were pretty restrictive and I was wondering if the same applies to the FRAM filters.

I have been using Fram filters since 1992. I see absolutely no reason to change. It is all personal choice.

I might have given you some hardache on another post unintentionally. You posting, supported by another analysis of the basic Fram oil filter caused me to purchase the Fram ultra synthetic oil filter. Flow rate, filtration along with stout built of the Fram ultra synthetic convinced me to switch with my next oil change this month. Problem i have, what to do with my regular Fram orange can oil filter? Thanks 👌

I like wix filters... i managed an auto parts store and our #1 selling filter is a fram filter... I always bought my wix filter at our competition auto part store... To this day i only use wix oil filters

I'll stick with the XG and probably not going to use another TG again.

Id love To see filters independant shops use. Each store has their basic commercial line that every indeoendant shop ive worked uses. Always been curious. Out of these 3 i like the gold but i chamge my fluids at recomended intervals and only put about two oil changes a year on an auto and 3 on the bike. Because i run deisel oil in my bike. The wet clutch loves it. And also the cost i cheaper and my bike is 36 yrs old. Deisel oil has better properties than motorcyxle oil imo. Im also curious if my opinion on that is correct. Thanks for your hard work doing this soending your own money to bring proof to these things you do. I appreciate it.

Except the old Ultra isn't available anymore for most cars. The Fram Synthetic Endurance is the same as an Amsoil and Royal Purple. The Wix XP uses the nylon backing not steel.

Honestly, you’re my fav automotive KZfaqr. Stay real Rich.

do you think the new FRAM ultra provides good enough flow for the 5.0 coyote engine, I saw a video where it had more pressure than other filters, I don't want to starve my engine. Thanks!

I am not a FRAM guy ,but would pick the Ultra over the Endurance....he'll I'll just get a Delco Gold over the Endurance, looks like the Endurance is built by Champ Labs ,the very same factory 🏭 who builds them both

I don't feel comfortable with the smaller surface area in the newer one, nix on that for me

How does the new fram ultra synthetic without the metal mesh compare to the old ultra synthetic you show in this video?

Older video but I switched from wix to the fram endurance because of this video.

Could I use a synthetic blend oil with the FE filter??!

In filtering tests the ppm numbers for the Synthetic Endurance are significantly better although the Ultra's filtering is itself excellent. The Tough Guard's performance is abysmal in contrast. I wouldn't use the Tough Guard.

For my civic it runs the xg7317 but unfortunately they took the metal screen out of the Fram ultra so I don’t mind paying a couple extra bucks for the synthetic endurance 🤷🏻‍♂️ but that’s just me I don’t cheap out when it comes to my car

That's strange, the synthetic endurance for my truck was bigger than the mobil 1 and ultra guard filters.

Those are very well made filters and are really and excellent product. We have used WIX at work for years but the the Mann Hummel owners have taken to moving a lot of the small filters to China and you can tell the difference in quality overall a 57356 Honda filter made in China doesn’t even have a silicone adbv even a orange can Fram has a silicone valve

Looks like the silver filter still has a decent metal lining

Im a fan of Wix filters, whats you feeling on them, the regular and the synthetic filter. Thanks

Seems the Ultra Synthetic is the old one we knew and trusted to be a good filter. Not sold on the new one. However, have you seen the changes to several of the Motorcraft filters? I’ve seen a different color anti drainback on the later FL-500S compared to the older units. I’m curious what other bits have changed. Might go find one to hack open.

i got sketched out by the internet bs and thought fram was all trash... now i only use wix xp filters... not sure what filter is actually the best for my ls application. i now the fomoco filters are quality from a previous video you made when you did an oil change on your woman's gmc.

The engine in my frontier seems like it doesnt have to work as hard when i switched from ultra to endurance

Years ago I had a cheap filter come loose inside. The oil was like mole asses! Lol I motor flushed. Sad it rattled and sloshed. Cheapy creepy is so chancy!

They’re all rated for 20 microns. I have no idea why they don’t put it on the tough guard box. Btw that’s the old style ultra, the new one has a single layer of synthetic bonded to their cellulose media, not wire backed

Kinda' right there with you rich, after seeing all three I don't see the benefit of spending the extra money. That being said, with all three of my vehicles pushing 200k or more, I see more benefit in using a good quality full synthetic oil with MMO added with a good quality filter and changing it @ 4k or less. I would be interested in data on vehicles that are parked a lot and see less mileage... my gut feeling is that the quality of the oil plays a huge part and the recommended 6 month interval isn't that accurate... all comments are welcome. Be Blessed Everyone

I like the 2 upper models but would never run the tv that many miles.for that matter I wouldn't run any of them beyond 7 thousand miles.

Rich, I have been using a Fram High Mileage filter (HM3600) on a 2009 Flex with 200,000 miles. Have you ever investigated that series of filter?

I don't know if it's me or this is real but it seems like after using Marvel Mystery Oil in my tank a few times I don't have as much ping. I never changed gas brands either.

If you don’t care about your vehicle , go with 20 to 25 k filters. It’s immoral for these companies to make people believe that it’s a good to go extreme mileage before charging oil and filter.

I change my oil every 5000 miles on 2017 Subaru outback. Is it safe to change these filters every 5 oil changes? At $10 a filter I cange them each oil change for peace of mind but am i wasting money? Im trying ultra platinum oil this weekend, been using Valvoline high mileage. Use to use moble 1 but Valvoline ran so much smoother and quiet so looking forward to see how platinum does. Thanks for all you info!

My boy wins again, I use it with Penzoil ultra syn.

You want more screen area and filtering %. None of those cans will leak or pop

You're a fool if you didn't pick the endurance, hands down the best filter out there.

FRAM's come a long way from its "cheapo" quality days!

It’s so weird how some of those ultras still have the old media I wish the ultra filter number XG7317 that I use for my Honda civic still had the old ultra media but it doesn’t it has the new ultra filter media 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️ oh well it is what it is

New Fram oil filter bought on Amazon: does someone know why new Fram filter interior bottom has oil? I would think new oil filter should be free of oil inside.

My only concern with Fram was the moisture I have found in the bottom of the Fram filters brand new in the store and the casing started to rust on them. Just make sure to look inside before you buy! Be aware that's all I'm saying 😊

Endurance is overpriced for what it is. Dollar to dollar it's not worth extra $4 for me since xg4967 is $8.97 and fe4967 is $12.97 at my Walmart. BITOG users have shown it's a rebranded amsoil/royal purple. Am excited for revamp on lower end fram filters since I've seen videos on here showing they're fram branded Supertech filters. Nylon core and metal end caps with mobil1 filter media, 99% at 20 microns

What’s the micron rating on the FE?

So what is the purpose of 15-25K filters if the recommended oil changes is between 3-5K miles?

There's a interesting you tube video out there where they rig up a test station... selected 4 filters Fram ultra k&n super tech and mobile 1...Fram had 3 pounds less psi pressure after the filter... do you think that it will affect oiling the engine ? I tried to post video but won't let me. Thanks boss

That is very strange, if you watch "whipcitywrench" if it says "perfect seal gasket" instead of metal screen its supposed to be the newer version, I thought the new one had a better efficiency for microns as well??

What about the fram titanium?

The newer FRAM Endurance isn't even a FRAM, look at the can ,looks like a Champ Labs built filter, the baseplate has a outie bellybutton & traditional FRAM are a innie 😂

Always the ultra synthetic. Makes good economic sense and is a superior quality product. Now let's talk about oils......Pennzoil ultra platinum full synthetic anyone?

Endurance will do for 10000 miles maybe.

I change oil 3000 miles, so I use bottom line filter.