Top 5 BIGGEST F%&K Ups From Games Workshop in 2021

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00:00 Intro
01:41 Black Templar "Army"
04:10 "Old Foes" Bundles
07:45 Cursed City
11:17 Warhammer Plus
15:17 Dishonourable Mentions
16:41 Games Workshop's NDA
24:17 Here's to 2022!
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@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
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@Diarmuhnd
@Diarmuhnd 2 жыл бұрын
Happy New Year! Have fun, be safe!
@timyb3ar
@timyb3ar 2 жыл бұрын
Happy new year
@comstr
@comstr 2 жыл бұрын
I'm willing to send money via Patreon, but $6 is slightly more than I'm conformable with. I don't want Discord access- I just want to send you $2 to support the channel.
@sarchlalaith8836
@sarchlalaith8836 2 жыл бұрын
Holy f**K DC, 20 adverts in this one 26 min video? I agree btw, gw = one giant f**k up
@_NIKOS9_NIKOS
@_NIKOS9_NIKOS 2 жыл бұрын
Ah yes the year 2021 the year where Grampa Nurgle kept on blessing us with his gifts and the year where GW decided to go full Imperium and declare exterminatus to their entire fanbase
@foureyes7844
@foureyes7844 2 жыл бұрын
The Pfizer vaccine made me a poxwalker for a few weeks.
@FrostWolfPack
@FrostWolfPack 2 жыл бұрын
Na not Imperium but maybe radical Inquisition whit very happy trigger finger.
@josephskiles
@josephskiles 2 жыл бұрын
They declared exterminatus on my wallet anyhow
@yucatansuckaman5726
@yucatansuckaman5726 2 жыл бұрын
Hmm I have to disagree, I seriously doubt nurgle would want his name on a virus with a 99.98 survival rate. No, all this particular chaos is pure tzeench. He just wants you to think it's poppa nurgle.
@josephskiles
@josephskiles 2 жыл бұрын
@@yucatansuckaman5726 what isn't the blue bastards fault when it comes to it? Although I kinda gotta disagree with you, why would the Lord of change pick such incompetent servants to carry out a plan like this?
@douglasfree1664
@douglasfree1664 2 жыл бұрын
I went to my local game store last week and I was shocked at how many kill team octarius boxes there were. They were piled up and filled a whole corner of the gw section. They weren't at a discount though.
@FrostWolfPack
@FrostWolfPack 2 жыл бұрын
Necromunda has seem to be more interest in my local shop than kill team. (not fully shure)
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
There's something to be said for a skirmish game that has a bunch of unique factions, whereas Kill Team is a bit confusing and is based on this new seasonal model which is just far more alienating
@FrostWolfPack
@FrostWolfPack 2 жыл бұрын
@@DiscourseMinis Ye agree on that as I admit having lot of fun expandin my Van Saar gang as thinking to ad few gangs more to my collection
@godmode9913
@godmode9913 2 жыл бұрын
I really don't understand why anyone buys from the gw actual store when we can get 15% of at third party stores. My local gw also has loads of killteam and the black Templar box set at no discount piled up. I have enough in my pile of shame to last me all of 2022 anyway so I won't be buying from gw unless something really special comes along and gw get their act together
@FrostWolfPack
@FrostWolfPack 2 жыл бұрын
@@godmode9913 My local store is 2 party store as closeswt warhammer stoer is in capital
@gabrielmarquez4029
@gabrielmarquez4029 2 жыл бұрын
One thing I’d like to add is GW removing all of the freely available warscrolls upon AoS 3E being released. One of the big selling points of AoS for me was how easy it was to access the rules and the low barrier of entry, you could proxy anything you wanted. The paywalling of content killed a huge part of the game’s identity for me.
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I was actually getting into AoS myself because it felt like the way more accessible game. That GW are turning it into Warhammer 40k is sad, if unsurprising.
@Erikjust
@Erikjust 2 жыл бұрын
@@DiscourseMinis Since we are talking about AoS and GW turning it into 40k.. Would you consider perhaps doing a documentary style video of what killed the old Warhammer Fantasy? Personally i can mention a few things: First of all towards the end of its lifetime it was treated as a second rate game that GW would only occasionally update. There was a LONG time in between updates of an armybook and at least one army wouldn´t get any update neither in miniatures or armybook... hello Bretonians (ask any old time Warhammer fan about assembling a Pegasus knight and they will likely curl up in a ball weeping, over the painful memories of metal wings plastic body). Alot of the armybooks wasn´t that well written. Tomb Kings basically ended up being a glass canon that would lose 9 time out of 10. The Dwarf armybook was mediocre at best and downright insulting at worst. The characters.. let me ask you do you like Settra the imperishable and you most defiantly would like The Green Knight or Thorgrim Grudgebearer and playing on the tabletop would be nice right... Well too bad unless you are playing a friendly game with modified rules, you will NEVER see them on the tabletop. Their rules sucked basically every normal lord or hero would be singing the classic "Anything you can do i can do better, anything you can do i can do to.." to the character models Then there was the ever increasing size of the armies towards the end (no joke) my Dwarf army had around 100 models in play. And when a box with a 10 man unit costs around 53,57$, then such an army become REALLY expensive... So i think those are all contributing factors in what made Warhammer Fantasy ever dwindling in popularity. Lack of support from GW and ever increasing prices and size of the army.
@ericcook8254
@ericcook8254 2 жыл бұрын
@@Erikjust yeah my skaven force was running around 130-150 models before they killed it.
@theDackjanielz
@theDackjanielz 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah - Like why? Seriously why? With Underworlds they changed the art on the backs of the cards.....Why? JUST WHY? Honestly i feel like who ever has been put in charge of the company lately is like Geoffery from game of thrones, just no logic what so ever.
@GrandAdmThrawn
@GrandAdmThrawn 2 жыл бұрын
@@Erikjust Let's not forget that that was the time Failcast was introduced and many models' prices went up (Blood Knights *cough*)
@Kazad22
@Kazad22 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, the actions of GW shocked me so much this year that I bought two 3D printers ...
@JachymorDota
@JachymorDota 2 жыл бұрын
This year, I spent over 700$ in non-GW tabletops like Battletech, Warmaster and Zombicide, even though I could have finished my CSM, Necrons or Troggoths - or starting a new project like I always want to. This year I only bought a few paints and did not use up my usual hobby budget for GW only. I doubt anyone in a position of power (or care) will read this, but this could have been your 700$, and I will garantuee you, next year I will, at most, buy some contrast paints and call it a year.
@PraetorGix
@PraetorGix 2 жыл бұрын
Army painter are manufacturing their speedpaints at about half the price of contrast now so unless you need a pot to 100% match a painted mini you don't even need to give them that money.
@JachymorDota
@JachymorDota 2 жыл бұрын
@@PraetorGix ah right, might be worth to give them a try, too. I am just untypically amazed about the Contrast "white" spraycans, since they do not form clumps or speckled layers.
@mattylumley5538
@mattylumley5538 2 жыл бұрын
This year was the same - my entire hobby budget was redirected to Marvel Crisis, SW Legion, Burrows & Badgers and Modiphius' fantastic ES Call to Arms and Fallout Wasteland Warfare. And I feel a million percent better for it knowing I dont have to endorse this shite
@bopaintsminis
@bopaintsminis 2 жыл бұрын
@@PraetorGix So looking forward to actually getting these.
@Spacefrisian
@Spacefrisian 2 жыл бұрын
I would have said i bought more from other companies, but than i buy a single GW model and i have suddenly spend more on GW than other miniature companies.
@MattPerrin
@MattPerrin 2 жыл бұрын
Stopped by my favorite hobby store yesterday and was surprised to see not just Dominion but a ton of 2021 Battleforces still on the shelf. Seems more and more like players are sending a message to GW with their money
@theDackjanielz
@theDackjanielz 2 жыл бұрын
By the ancestors i hope so - The people in charge need some serious re-arranging.
@hansgruber3064
@hansgruber3064 2 жыл бұрын
Same as my local GW store, they still had loads of Battleforce including the Ad Mech battleforce which I thought would be the best seller.
@georgeaitken2719
@georgeaitken2719 2 жыл бұрын
I got a 25% discount on games workshop products I got 3 of those army deals what surprised me was you can still buy the space marine one on the website these sell out fairly quickly
@DeadEndGoose
@DeadEndGoose 2 жыл бұрын
I been seeing bloodbowl and 40k sitting on the shelf while my local scene plays Conquest
@azjdann
@azjdann 2 жыл бұрын
Just been to the only WH store in our city. pretty sad really. full shelves after Xmas, and no wonder, $100 for two 28mm characters $300 for a starter kit or chance the scalpers, $95 for the codex, $$ for core books, and expected to buy WH+ for what and that's one army. if I want to play against my son, we might get two armies. but no. it's too expensive for one let alone 2, gonna keep my hands.in.my pockets. I could buy a 3d resin printer for the cost of a starter box. It's starting to be an economic option. My son hasn't noticed the lack of Warhammer animations, because there aren't any left to see. Needless to say, without any engagement with the franchise, he's not pestering me to get involved. And I'm not encouraging it any more.
@Soestinight
@Soestinight 2 жыл бұрын
Nornqueen continues to show what a child she is, why am I not surprised? Only started watching you a month ago, and appreciate your efforts.
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks S0est!
@AdamMichalMarkowski
@AdamMichalMarkowski 2 жыл бұрын
More like ShillQueen
@josephskiles
@josephskiles 2 жыл бұрын
@@AdamMichalMarkowski More like narcissist queen. I don't think I have ever seen a female work so hard at getting a camera to pear down their shirt in my life.
@TheInappropriateness
@TheInappropriateness 2 жыл бұрын
@josephskiles I can think of a few more in the you tube channels. However I'm not going to link to it as I'm not aufait with their content, I'm only going by their VERY sultry poses before their deliver their take on gaming news...
@andrewwebb2257
@andrewwebb2257 2 жыл бұрын
She is a biological term. Not appropriate in this context.
@GoobertownHobbies
@GoobertownHobbies 2 жыл бұрын
Ahhh, memories! ;-)
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
A retrospective is always fun :)
@philurbaniak1811
@philurbaniak1811 2 жыл бұрын
Recently I returned to this hobby after literal years away directly BECAUSE OF FREE CONTENT generated by the community and what makes me laugh (and cry!) is that I will now most likely abandon GW products (again) directly BECAUSE OF GW's ruthless approach to business (again!). What really makes me cry (without laughing) is that while I have genuinely enjoyed being a part of this hobby and this community GW have literally made me feel as though I am not welcome at their table or allowed to play their games. And who am I to deny them? I can only assume that I and many others will leave and that we "will not be missed".
@hansgruber3064
@hansgruber3064 2 жыл бұрын
Warhammer is the hobby not Games Workshop, buy second hand or from local independent stores, try One Page Rules.
@TheWarpForge
@TheWarpForge 2 жыл бұрын
@@hansgruber3064 Also have a look at different systems. Other games are fantastic and Warhammer is not the whole wargaming hobby 😄
@hansgruber3064
@hansgruber3064 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheWarpForge very true
@loxley75
@loxley75 2 жыл бұрын
So glad after about thirty years I finally kicked the Warhammer habit! So many other good games out there if you actually take a look! Happy painting and fielding my Malifaux crews now!
@Mr72challenger
@Mr72challenger 2 жыл бұрын
Ive done it more than once and a few years go by and it bites hard,,,, good luck
@idiotproofdalek
@idiotproofdalek 2 жыл бұрын
Well done for getting off the wheel!
@Scrombo2
@Scrombo2 2 жыл бұрын
That's really admirable and, if that's how you wanna be more power too ya, my philosophy is I enjoy the hobby but, give GW as little financial support as possible
@paulreg3122
@paulreg3122 2 жыл бұрын
You don’t have to look just don’t look at GW and a good game will be seen
@ryankrankowski7777
@ryankrankowski7777 2 жыл бұрын
Malifaux is such a well designed game. I’ve played for years and enjoy it quite a bit.
@funghazi
@funghazi 2 жыл бұрын
I hope there will be a best of 2021 video, too, there's been lots of good stuff happening outside the GWverse
@mycatistypingthis5450
@mycatistypingthis5450 2 жыл бұрын
Stargrave, Reign in Hell, turnip 28 and Silver Bayonet should be nominated.
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah there's a lot of great stuff. I had a general video on awesome stuff happening in the miniature wargaming space but I'm not sure where I'll be able to fit it into my schedule :(
@funghazi
@funghazi 2 жыл бұрын
@@DiscourseMinis Things that give us hope for 2022? :)
@fumarc4501
@fumarc4501 2 жыл бұрын
Tzeentch for hope!
@euansmith3699
@euansmith3699 2 жыл бұрын
@@fumarc4501 Vote Tzeentch, for change you... can't... quite... believe in... or comprehend... which is probably for the best... Still, vote Tzeentch; just as planned.
@ToppovDejungle
@ToppovDejungle 2 жыл бұрын
The new Ork Boyz kit is the biggest fuck up imo. Mono-pose, fixed load-outs, doesn't even make 10 slugga/choppa boyz. A completely and utterly useless waste of space. This was the final straw for me; I have been in this hobby since 1998 and I am officially done. Finito. Geedubs can't even get a simple, basic thing like a new boyz kit right. I have lost all hope and interest in 40k. I will get my miniature painting fix from elsewhere from here on out. When Geedubs finally crashes and burns I shall dance in the ashes.
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
I totally agree Toppov. I REALLY don't like the trajectory that these Orks are taking us in, and I'll have a video out next week about it.
@BrickworksDK
@BrickworksDK 2 жыл бұрын
"Geedubs can't even get a simple, basic thing like a new boyz kit right." Make no mistake, making them mono-pose is very much a deliberate design choice. And to think, Games Workshop was SO proud back in the days when they released the first multi-pose boxes for Warhammer...
@TheBunnan
@TheBunnan 2 жыл бұрын
Lucky for you amigo there are sooo many other companies and rules designers that respect your time and would love you to try their games.
@ToppovDejungle
@ToppovDejungle 2 жыл бұрын
@@BrickworksDK To think that was the golden age... multi-pose kits. In a creative hobby. Just listen to us T_T I was drawn to Orks because they offered (to me at least) the most amount of creative freedom. Well, and because they are fucking hilarious. The new kit is just so, well, disgustingly un-orky. No options. Da boyz love options. That's how you make 'em look propa flashy like.
@DJRockford83
@DJRockford83 2 жыл бұрын
The Cursed City debacle lost me as a customer to GW and I've been an advocate for Battletech, Deadzone and Kings of War since
@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t
@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t 2 жыл бұрын
It's weird, within like 3 months of Warhammer+ launching, I stopped seeing channels reviewing the new content. I feel like I missed out on pissing money up the wall on this one.
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I never subscribed & I've never regretted it. So glad I didn't buy into it.
@davetherave7279
@davetherave7279 2 жыл бұрын
"I'd buy that for a dollar" - sudden urge to watch Robocop now!
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
Do it!
@davedogge2280
@davedogge2280 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah the No.1 was a complete carcrash, I remember the reddit threads on that. I think Norm Queen's reaction to Goobertown was innappropriately hostile and what possessed her to report the NDA 'leak' to GW I will never know (was it for Brownie points from GW ? pure vindictiveness ? an attempt to eliminate the KZfaq / social media competition ?). As a Warhammer presenter she was good and knowledgeable but all this nastiness behind the scenes just put me off.
@gabrielmarquez4029
@gabrielmarquez4029 2 жыл бұрын
She’s back making videos like nothing happened too lol
@TheAlterspark
@TheAlterspark 2 жыл бұрын
NQA is desperate to be officially endorsed by GW- and has always been a narcissist. Seriously if you disagree with her AT ALL she can't handle it. Her discord server was an echo chamber of sycophants.
@cheesemarine
@cheesemarine 2 жыл бұрын
Goober shouldn't be let off the hook either. They're both snakes, he was just a naive one.
@scoticvsgossage9378
@scoticvsgossage9378 2 жыл бұрын
@@cheesemarine Apparently he and Arch had a discussion about what happened. Goober claims that he didn't do anything with malicious intent when it came to the NDA incident. Arch even pulled his video on the subject down, so there must have been enough compelling evidence to make him believe that Goober was telling the truth. Thing is, I think he's probably a really nice guy in real life, but your assertion that he's naive pairs well with the way he tackles social issues. I think he's woefully under informed on a lot of topics, and more often then not simply repeats what the popular opinion of the day is. Who knows, maybe he absolutely believes what he's saying, but it feels like he's trying to ride the fence.
@YeAuldGrump
@YeAuldGrump 2 жыл бұрын
@@scoticvsgossage9378 I've met Brent in real life - at Crossroad Games. He really is a nice guy.
@Erebdai
@Erebdai 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thank Gork and Mork 2021 is over. Hope to see some great videos from you next year. Also RIP TTS series, we will never know what happens to Captain General Kitten.
@hyggehammer
@hyggehammer 2 жыл бұрын
Your channel becoming a regular part of my KZfaq lineup is one of the few really great things about 2021. Definitely top 10. Right there along side my watching MSPaints’ channel, getting into Kings of War, and my wonderful wife letting me have the spare bedroom to hobby in! Happy New Year to us all!
@bopaintsminis
@bopaintsminis 2 жыл бұрын
Ah, 2021. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
@davedogge2280
@davedogge2280 2 жыл бұрын
I'm getting a little worried about Age of Sigmar's future. I was the fool that bought the new edition big box starter set direct from GW at full price and then secondly I'm a Nurgle fan but somehow I almost missed the Maggotkin of Nurgle Battletome and Warscroll cards release a few weeks ago, there wasn't much promotion at all, about the same or less promotion than a Necromunda rulebook and cards.
@theDackjanielz
@theDackjanielz 2 жыл бұрын
i loved 2.0 - It was the most invested in the hobby i have ever been. But dominion and 3.0 is obnoxious to me........The whole thing directly goes against what made that side of the hobby great in the first place, rules have been pay walled off, the complexity of the game has increased, and the accessible prices have gone through the ceiling into space. Underworlds has suffered the same fate. Warcry only for me now, if they mess that up i'm out the door.
@Rotheric
@Rotheric 2 жыл бұрын
@@theDackjanielz I am with you 100%. It's weird. Our group has played third edition, and we all like the rules, but we are still put off by it. We talked about it at length and decided that it is because we are not the game's target audience anymore. We like AoS because of all the funky s*** that first and second edition have; random tables, wandering monster, weird terrain effects, and crazy scenarios on top of it all. 70s-Psychedelic-Fantasy Water Elves battling Anti-Theistic Capitalist Steampunk Dwarf Pirates on Flying Turtles and Airships! AoS3 is much more "Fantasy mens are serious business!" The new faction to introduce the new edition? Orks, but without the humour and less over-the-top. The rules are written much more precisely, kinda like Warmachine 2, and everything feels like it is catering to hardcore tournament players. That's fine, I guess, but it's a radical change of direction for the game, and it's just not for us.
@Spacefrisian
@Spacefrisian 2 жыл бұрын
@@Rotheric It might be because the 3rd edition AoS rules are a mess, you have special actions tucked in the rules everywhere. At least thats what my gaming group came to the conclusion.
@theDackjanielz
@theDackjanielz 2 жыл бұрын
@@Spacefrisian Yeah its just needlessly complicated all around - You now need a notepad and tokens just to keep up with it. Like....Why??
@theDackjanielz
@theDackjanielz 2 жыл бұрын
@@Rotheric Yeah it was originally designed for casual players with lesser money and now its focusing heavily on hardcore tournament players with lots of money - Its an extremely strange thing to do considering how much cash they just recently made?? "Hey guys we are rich as anything now, i know - Lets do the complete opposite of what we were doing!"
@holdthedoor8130
@holdthedoor8130 2 жыл бұрын
The old white dwarfs would be the only reason id get Hammer+ but without the Fucking old rules?!?! Crazy. Never buying official GW again. Once again amazing shirt :)
@deeamerson
@deeamerson 2 жыл бұрын
This is a great video to end the year on. I've greatly enjoyed the constant stream of video content you produce, each video is well done. Not sure how long you can keep up this pace, but your hard work is greatly appreciated.
@jorgiknoob5810
@jorgiknoob5810 2 жыл бұрын
Your videos are usually great but this is a masterpiece. I’ve been laughing at the absurdity of everything and crying at the fact that this is all real for the whole video 😂
@stepheningram6415
@stepheningram6415 2 жыл бұрын
The liberal use of 1980’s style heads whips sold it
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, thank you! I'm pleased with how it came out (which I cannot say for all my videos haha)
@TitusVarus
@TitusVarus 2 жыл бұрын
And that's what happens when you become a social media hermit (i.e. Me). I completely missed Alexis pulling her Gestapo-informant shit. Very disappointing behaviour on her part. That NDA is horrible, and even now there are people defending it on the grounds that it's "really mild" for an NDA, and how they've seen way worse NDAs.
@stepheningram6415
@stepheningram6415 2 жыл бұрын
She’s kinda always been trash though. It’s not surprising or at all out of character.
@Sly_404
@Sly_404 2 жыл бұрын
I never get the "it could be worse though" crowd. Judge something by itself, not in comparison to a fictive, worst case scenario. Coping mechanism much!
@Jurgenzuopl
@Jurgenzuopl 2 жыл бұрын
Discourse, I salute you for having the bal*s for reporting GW to trading agency! Much respect!
@danepatterson8107
@danepatterson8107 2 жыл бұрын
As a new subscriber, I really appreciate your emphasis on consumer protection. It made me feel very proud of you that you reported GW's deceptive business practices as deceptive. Good on ya!
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!! You are really kind to say that
@03dashk64
@03dashk64 2 жыл бұрын
I’m really glad you covered the Norn Queen Alexis thing. That was such BS. It’s annoying she just resurfaced and never addressed her terrible actions
@SamBalducci
@SamBalducci 2 жыл бұрын
Great job Discourse, loved your content in 2021, hope to watch more in 2022. Would love to see a One Page Rule Battle Report / Playthrough using GW Miniatures as a way to show gamers there is more than GW. I am always amazed at the people who with the facts before them will still defend GW practices and it was funny to see all the excuses go flying when Cursed City was said to be coming back. I hope people do not jump all over it as then GW will just continue many of the bad practices they have acquired and you are correct it is the old 2014 GW again. Amazing how they have regressed. Thank for the content.
@jbriggsiv
@jbriggsiv 2 жыл бұрын
Your personal theme song is fantastic! It made me smile and literally laugh as I was listening and working on something else.
@fulcrum8583
@fulcrum8583 2 жыл бұрын
Not to mention the greatest *f*-up of the hobby community: GW is still around...
@rangda_prime
@rangda_prime 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for starting producing this kind of content this year. It's been a rough year in many respects, but seeing you and some other big voices taking up arms against GWs ass-hattery has been a balm for this old grognard. Your content is always thought through and relevant, me and my friends look forward to listening to you in 2022. Currently on my non-GW hobby table; kitbashing Perry Miniature medieval and black powder kits into troops for SLUDGE WAR, an indie game of gunpowder fantasy battles in a dark and grim world. Kind of like if Nausicaa of the Valley of Winds had a baby with Dark Souls/Bloodborne to make a big skirmish/small army game. I have some Warhammer stuff going as well, working on Dark Angels for Horus Heresy, but I've stopped buying GW minis for it and rely on either printing everything from scratch or trading old minis with friends for things I have in my Pile of Shame or for hobby favours. But the only thing I buy from GW nowadays are some of their washes, they've completely lost me as a customer by now, for many of the reasons you've highlighted this year and others from the past.
@krystmarodoren7446
@krystmarodoren7446 2 жыл бұрын
When i stopped buying GW and started to play other minature games insteadvit it was like coming out of an abusive relationship with a narcissist. "Wow, there are gaming companies dont scam their most loyal customers, so that is what is normal behaviour is".
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I still get amazing by how many miniatures other companies will sell me for the price of a Space Marine sometimes.
@scoticvsgossage9378
@scoticvsgossage9378 2 жыл бұрын
@@DiscourseMinis No kidding! Perry miniatures sells a boxed army set for their Napoleonics range of Austrians. 146 28mm miniatures for 50 British pounds. So for the same price I would spend on a box of ten space marines (discounted of course), I get three regiments of Austrians (or more if I change up unit sizes for games) and an officer. Ergo, more then enough miniatures to play a big game of Black Powder or a skirmish from Sharp Practice and or Over The Hills and Far Away. Selling 145 28mm miniatures for a decent price the common man can afford? Now that's soldiering!
@christopherreynolds4506
@christopherreynolds4506 2 жыл бұрын
I almost bought some of the "easy to build" bundles, but I actually did the math my self and realized it was not discounted at all.
@arbhall7572
@arbhall7572 2 жыл бұрын
Good lord! I'm no less than shocked at the crap GW keeps doing, but more shocked that not a single government body (like the better business bureau) ever steps in and even says anything. A bit of action wouldn't go amiss, given that basically every single customer pays more taxes each year than a sleazy multinational Corp like GW.
@miamijules2149
@miamijules2149 2 жыл бұрын
The Better Business Bureau is not a government agency…. it’s a pay to play business (although their conflict mediation service is not bad.) lol sorry
@arbhall7572
@arbhall7572 2 жыл бұрын
@@miamijules2149 in your country yeah. A bunch of countries did make them government agencies. Sorry
@idiotproofdalek
@idiotproofdalek 2 жыл бұрын
No….GW pays a lot of taxes. And it isn’t a multinational. Also, none of this stuff GW has done merits government action to make it worse. All responses to GW are in your hands, you have the power.
@alexneal9534
@alexneal9534 2 жыл бұрын
Happy new year. Loved your 2021 content and I'm looking forward to 2022s. Not gonna miss the snow effects though lol.
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
Happy new year! :)
@jorgesaenz8986
@jorgesaenz8986 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Discourse 😊 happy new years!
@akatoshslayer7599
@akatoshslayer7599 2 жыл бұрын
As some one named Gary who only got a gift card for Christmas and nothing for my birthday a couple days later I feel personally attacked.
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
i see you, naughty boy
@arielsanchez465
@arielsanchez465 2 жыл бұрын
This is hands down my favorite hobby channel. Happy New Year!!!
@kampfeule5486
@kampfeule5486 2 жыл бұрын
I hope you´ll have a great 2022. I really hope to see you succeed with your channel and your dreams in general.
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much KampfEule! you are very kind to say so!
@vincenzogatta8955
@vincenzogatta8955 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video and very informative. 🙂👍 I didn't know anything about the bundles on the GW site and I didn't know how the NDA story was ended (and it's not really ended, like in a dystopian SCI-FI movie 😅). Thank you to continue to inform us. And Happy New Year 🎉
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Vincenzo! Glad you got value from the content!
@The_Sisyphean
@The_Sisyphean 2 жыл бұрын
Another informative and entertaining video. Cheers. Happy New Year.
@maertsnosmirc
@maertsnosmirc 2 жыл бұрын
I always have a little giggle seeing my Earthwormia show up at the end. Keep up the great work!
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
@TheAlterspark
@TheAlterspark 2 жыл бұрын
Man I've wasted alot of money on GW products this year lol. Thank you for reminding me of certain big screwups- particularly the NDA and the blight on the hobby that is NQA
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
they're easy to forget, they seem to come so relentlessly!
@munchinbiscuits
@munchinbiscuits 2 жыл бұрын
Yesterdays announcement from GW: new orks come with a fixed loadout or buy more to build 'specialised' units. Translation: We scrapped all customisation so that our boxes match the codex because we are lazy at writting rules. Now to get your BASIC troops choice you will need to buy multiple boxes of monopose models, at less value, with fewer options, at an increased price. I am concerned for the new Eldar kits...
@connorcowan7606
@connorcowan7606 2 жыл бұрын
GW's anti-fan policy (the one that shut down TTS) pushed me into trying out the game Godtear, and I am very happy I did! It's a great game and I would highly recommend it!
@petequinn3511
@petequinn3511 2 жыл бұрын
Happy Hogmanay D. good vid.
@Hugme778
@Hugme778 2 жыл бұрын
Nornqueen literally personified the meme "yes inquisitor this post right here"
@jasonmyersOU812
@jasonmyersOU812 2 жыл бұрын
I know I've said this before but I really enjoy your work here. I think it is nice to have someoene trying to take the P out of Games Workshop and call them on their stuff. I'm surprised that they haven't came after you yet. But keep doing what you do buddy and don't let them cause you problems. As for the drama in the community, I have no context for that really but sorry to see that someoene else is getting grief over the NDA. I avoid signing anything these days especially if you need to do it in blood. I can't wait for the next one Buddy. Peace
@peterfromaustria724
@peterfromaustria724 2 жыл бұрын
Happy new year Discourse! I’m not really a WH40K player or customer of GW (just a fan of the Lore) but I really like and enjoy your videos! Keep on rocking🤘
@stepheningram6415
@stepheningram6415 2 жыл бұрын
I’m just here to say Happy New Year!🎊🎈🎉 You did great work this year. You should be very proud of your accomplishments🏆
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!! Happy New Year :)
@mobilegamersunite
@mobilegamersunite 2 жыл бұрын
Some year aye!? Effing Tau railgun! 😂
@Ian_Butterworth
@Ian_Butterworth 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Discourse, happy new year. At least with all of GWs mess-ups, you have content to report on.
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
Happy new year!
@sylntghost007
@sylntghost007 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome content as usual. Keep fighting the good fight.
@Jfund12
@Jfund12 2 жыл бұрын
I am participating in the Warhammer+ boycott. Considering GW was putting their eggs entirely in that basket. They'll be a bit more receptive to the message. More than people not buying their miniatures. But my first army is pretty much where it needs to be for 2000 pts. And I did start a second army early in the year and that's around 1000 pts. But I have invested too much into the miniatures to boycott them. Tau and Dark Eldar btw. Big fan of "Brave New World" and the "Hellraiser" franchise.
@Marcusjnmc
@Marcusjnmc 2 жыл бұрын
if you ever need to just sell your armies, or shelve them/use them in another game system that's ok with third party, they'll just pump you for cash over time with a cycle of new rules systems & armybooks anyway the longer you stick around, there's no true 'army complete & done' point with the current & official games system from GW
@housecaldwell
@housecaldwell 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant! Thank you for taking GW to task. And for highlighting the better games out there like Silver Bayonet.
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
glad you liked it :D
@salthcreative5540
@salthcreative5540 2 жыл бұрын
It's been a real mess. Thinking this years New Years Resolution will have to be to give Zbrush a serious go and start sculpting my own minis, always wanted a Dark Mechanicum army.
@dangalipo
@dangalipo 2 жыл бұрын
Oh Discourse, please don't ever change. Your content brings joy to my cynical cynical heart.
@chrisgoodier6825
@chrisgoodier6825 2 жыл бұрын
Nice t-shirt again! You should try and get sponsored by Last Exit to Nowhere! Good on you for trying to take GW to ombudsman! Merry belated Christmas and have a happy new year!
@WladcaPodziemia
@WladcaPodziemia 2 жыл бұрын
Yess, tht's the video I wanted to see to finish the year!
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
Couldn't NOT do a capstone to the year :)
@dungeonmunky
@dungeonmunky 2 жыл бұрын
Never thought I'd be having nightmares about the Ombudsman, but here we are.
@BattlesTerrain
@BattlesTerrain 2 жыл бұрын
I've really enjoyed your videos happy new year
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!
@Joe-ev9ci
@Joe-ev9ci 2 жыл бұрын
They way you say “now” is really fucking with me lol
@Soreloser03
@Soreloser03 2 жыл бұрын
2 things: I love your videos. I want a stovepipe hat.
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Rob, me too
@2dola
@2dola 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid y'all, can i call ya dissy for short (its an ozzie thing lol) heres to a greater year than the last! 🍻
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!! And yes, Dissy is fine lol Cheers to 2022, hoping it is indeed better!
@Smavin
@Smavin 2 жыл бұрын
In Australia there are consumer laws in place that prohibit a company from forcing someone to not disclose something is sponsored. If it is sponsored in anyway it is against the law to no display that. There may be some legal basis for a case against GW if there are any Australian creators that have signed the NDA.
@TT_Veteran
@TT_Veteran 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I needed this today. I was being tempted back and just needed a little reminder on why it’s a bad idea.
@josephskiles
@josephskiles 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to take a trip to Ireland bringing my little gobbos just to have discourse stop me with a beast man army, LoL. Would you consider making a video showing off your army? Got any special names for any of your models in it?
@marcoscastellanos4114
@marcoscastellanos4114 2 жыл бұрын
I bought the Ork beast Snaggas boxed set when it came out to get the codex early. I just started putting the models together today.
@Tiyev
@Tiyev 2 жыл бұрын
The beast snaggas are alright, but they're a part of the bad trend of new kits being mostly mono-build. Only options are whether or not to replace 1 boys pistol and close-combat weapon with a ranged one, and whether to build the first boy as a nob. GW has gotten effectively anti-customization in their sprue designs in the last couple years. Still, I ended up getting a box of the beast snagga boys as a part of an after-christmas sail, along with some Chaotic beasts from the fantasy skirmish game. I couldn't really justify to myself getting any of the box sets though, even though they would be at an additional discount, on top of being a combat patrol or starter set. Too many of their sets that have something I do want also have a some minis I either don't need or want more of, don't want at all, or am underwhelmed by. Like the primaris' hover vehicles, should have followed the look of the older land speeder a little more, or at least didn't pointlessly ape the front of a tank that has tracks. Shoot, pardon my rant.
@cythonnaiilo7956
@cythonnaiilo7956 2 жыл бұрын
yep the sound of the GW plane slowly having engine failure sounds exactly like a wet fart. imagine hearing that sound one year long every time you look at any GW release. also i am after 3 months still waiting for my 2 cata terminators! awesome video, see you all in a bit and in the next year
@pentacosttb2565
@pentacosttb2565 2 жыл бұрын
You 100% need to make a creepy ombudsman costume for future video skits
@stobiusshroden
@stobiusshroden 2 жыл бұрын
Happy New Years Discourse!
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
Happy new year!!
@Hiddenronin
@Hiddenronin 2 жыл бұрын
I got the black templars box for Christmas so it's still kind of new and shiny. The 'rents got it for me and I love the nostalgia of the art work, but yeah, 13 models is kind of wank.
@hansgruber3064
@hansgruber3064 2 жыл бұрын
How ever did you manage to find any missteps that GW have made this year? He say sarcastically
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
This started as a general list for miniature wargaming, so had some stuff from Knight Models & Asmodee, but as I went on, I realized that I could craft a list of at elast 10 specifically from GW.
@torinjones3221
@torinjones3221 2 жыл бұрын
Happy new year everyone!
@anibalgonzalez7990
@anibalgonzalez7990 2 жыл бұрын
Nailed it. Pls never stop.
@wolftv1233
@wolftv1233 2 жыл бұрын
YES! MORE CONTENT ON ALT GAMES TO PLAY!!! I think the community needs to know there is other options to GW!
@pjsines4705
@pjsines4705 2 жыл бұрын
i'm guessing the announcement of seasons (MOAR BOOKS) and the rail gun rules preview (ONE SHOT KILLS) came out after you recorded the dishonorable mentions. I'm literally baffled by those two announcements.
@TheSmuey
@TheSmuey 2 жыл бұрын
"I have not signed the NDA" - Watches some of Dicourse's recent content You don't say XD
@boyanpenev9822
@boyanpenev9822 2 жыл бұрын
Number 5 reminds me of the "Blood of the Phoenix" debacle. They made a super-exclusive (expensive) Craftworld vs Drukhari box featuring the new banshees, Jain-Zar, Drazhar and Incubi. It came soon after Shadowspear (which had all new models) had fewer models than it and was more expensive to boot. It also had 20-year old models from second edition. GW tried to lean into both being playable as Ynnari... except Ynnari were specifically excluded from taking named characters that didn't have the keyword, like the two in the box. Also, this was post the Ynnari nerf where they had pretty much zero support for shooting models, like all the old models in the bundle.
@caverramos7581
@caverramos7581 2 жыл бұрын
KZfaq shows me that this video vas 18 ad breaks
@OneHandedHobby
@OneHandedHobby 2 жыл бұрын
That old foes was so bad. The Ferrus one had the Phobos marines set with an Iron Hand upgrade which did not actually contain any shoulder pads that can be used. I had to point out to a fellow Iron Hand player that it was terrible.
@colinmack8655
@colinmack8655 2 жыл бұрын
Happy New year my lady Discourse. Got my Kings and now deadzone 3.0 on.
@GrandAdmThrawn
@GrandAdmThrawn 2 жыл бұрын
Happy New Year!!!
@robertjokebr1480
@robertjokebr1480 2 жыл бұрын
looks like discourse recorded this after the christmas party and had some drinks. happy 2022 to your and your family, friends and beloved.
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
chin chin!
@Seeuthere
@Seeuthere 2 жыл бұрын
Good video, have a great new years eve.
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
Happy new year!
@jared6013
@jared6013 2 жыл бұрын
Ah, poor Gary
@MightyEmperor
@MightyEmperor 2 жыл бұрын
Gary: worth it! I'd have swapped my pressies for a decent amount of naughtiness last year.
@MajorSvenGaming
@MajorSvenGaming 2 жыл бұрын
An excellent and considered list... Love the peep show reference... I would also add the never ending rules updates and tweeks as a big (and continual) f*** up ... Considering the competition is working hard to make things accessible and keep the rules free its just another barrier that will eventually scupper them, I know the free rules for kings of war, turpin28 and onepagerules made me try new systems and buy other companies models.
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the ombudsman bit cracks me up so much. The victorian boogeyman hahaha. And yeah, the constant rules are so relentless now (are you looking forward to seasons? I sure aint). There's so many great games now, GW are definitely losing their grip on the market.
@MajorSvenGaming
@MajorSvenGaming 2 жыл бұрын
One can only hope the can base gradually moves that way too... I would love more videos exploring different systems... But KZfaq doesn't reward diversity and any model channel that moves away from 40k suffer, that's the bit I wish would improve... Even an anti GW channel is quite hamstrung I what they can produce
@Dwarficus
@Dwarficus 2 жыл бұрын
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but does the TOS for youtube state that you must disclose if a video is sponsored? If this is the case, then doesn't this overrule GW's NDA requirement to not disclose the sponsoreship?
@Redrung
@Redrung 2 жыл бұрын
Happy New year!
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
🎉
@40kwarriortuber92
@40kwarriortuber92 2 жыл бұрын
So true. I personally have not bought any products from their stores, but I still support local stores . They probably will not learn from their mistakes. I really hope(unlikely) that they pick up their act .
@jcp3666
@jcp3666 2 жыл бұрын
You are champion of justice and consumer protection! Love your videos.
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them!!
@Travio247
@Travio247 2 жыл бұрын
How did you manage to narrow it down to 5?
@grantus27
@grantus27 2 жыл бұрын
Just found your channel a few weeks ago and already worked through quite a few videos - I am entertained! But must also say that I think the consumer advocacy that you are doing is really important and you should keep up the good work. I hope the valid criticism seeps out into the gaming/hobbying community at large and makes someone at GW sit up and take notice. A Question for context: You refer to the business practices of GW in 2014 - what was happening then? I sold a lot of old Warhammer during lockdown 1 and got into Bolt Action. However I have to own up to buying the Gaunt's Ghost models (love the novels, the minis are good but I think serve no game purpose) and I also got aboard the hype train for Kill Team. But I'm taking a goooooood loooong break from GW now!
@andrewwoodhead3141
@andrewwoodhead3141 2 жыл бұрын
Happy new year
@williamings773
@williamings773 2 жыл бұрын
For 2022 my goal is to build Waterloo in Space. Wargames Atlantic Grognards vs their upcoming space Brits. GW is not invited.
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
love this
@terratheterribl
@terratheterribl 2 жыл бұрын
It throttles me dominion is being sold online for $130, I knew alot of people who didn't care for Stormcast Eternals but geez
@katesimpson7721
@katesimpson7721 2 жыл бұрын
It must of been really hard narrowing it down to only 5
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
it was genuinely tough haha
@britainbetterthanyou
@britainbetterthanyou 2 жыл бұрын
THE HALFLINGSSSSSSSS always making an appearance
@DiscourseMinis
@DiscourseMinis 2 жыл бұрын
I actually got a box for Christmas :3
@TableTopTransformer
@TableTopTransformer 2 жыл бұрын
We couldn't name a song "Karn the betrayer" because of the copyright bs
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