So the beehive onager is its own unit, like it only fires beehives? Why didn't they just make it a type of ammo for the regular onager? The way they did it just seems so stupid. "Lucius, get some stones for the onager!" "Sorry, imperator, this is a beehive onager, not a regular onager." I'm also laughing at the image of them finding and carrying like thirty beehives just to lob them at some guys.

I suspect more total war players have used bee hive onagers than actual Ancient Roman's...

The grand finale pick lol can't believe you had to pay money via DLC to use that nonsense

> no reason to use Bee Hive Units what about my meme battles where it's nothing but filthy peasants and bee hives

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Puckle guns from Empire. Top-tier Immovable artillery with a comparable range to muskets, and which has less firepower than a regular line infantry unit and requires a bunch of tech research to unlock.

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Rome 2 General: "You mean not one of their men is allergic to bees!?"

Wood cannons in Fall of the Samurai actually have a very niche use: they force the AI to attack you if they don't have any artillery themselfs. So even if you are attacking a defending AI, bring 1 wooden cannon and the AI will still attack you.

Legend: Mangonels aren't good *Pixelated Apollo has left the chat*

4:03 - God, that was painful to watch.

Imagine being a crew member on a beehive onager, sticking your hand into a giant ammo stash of bee hives sat next to your artillery piece to retrieve a bee hive, nothing can possibly go wrong there

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If the beehive onager can kill ten enemy troops then it's still ten times more effective than the rocket launcher from Empire Total War. I once created an army of twenty rocket launchers firing upon a slowly advancing infantry army. By the time the infantry had closed in I think they had lost two men in total. I feel the Hawk Riders from the Wood Elves should be there too.

“No reason to ever use a bee hive onager!” *enemy flees without even taking casualties*

00:24 Wooden Cannons from Shogun 2 01:14 Giants from Warhammer 2 02:22 Indian elephants from Attila 03:37 Mangenel from Medieval 2 05:32 Bee hive Onager from Rome 2

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Mangonels are not good in siege defence? You can get hundreds of kills with them under the right circumstance. If you abandon the idea of defending the walls and instead put all your troops in the city square then the AI is very likely to rush all its troops down a single street, then you just block the entrance with infantry and have your mangonels stand close by and fire into the street. Works well with catapults too and on bridge maps. I've cheesed 20 unit deathstacks with nothing more than a single mangonel unit, two catapult units and a couple of spear militias even when outnumbered. Just a word of advice: zooming in to watch the carnage crashed my game basically every time.

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imagine having a whole ass onager just so it can lob beehives across the field, probably would have been more effective as a skirmisher unit like in med 2

Mangonels are awesome and can rout an entire army if deployed correctly. They are just very strategic.

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What about Attilas first teir for the germanic bodyguard? They are worse than normal infantry.

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The mangonel you are wrong they are a defensive atillery. Put in choke points in your cities or a pass. With your defensive millitary right behind same way i use monster ribaults in medieval 2 I always use them for defensive tactics highly effective, when you channel a huge group into a choke point like street ways

I didn't even know the beehive onager existed until now... Never heard of it, seen it or will use it lol, thanks for making me aware of its existence though!

Any two hander unit in Medieval 2 + special shoutout to pikes in that cathegory. Medieval 2 pikes gotta be the most disappointing to me.

The mangonels are decent at helping making missile cavalry rout even if they are shooting in circle, they also tend to stay on the sides so you don't risk friendly fire. Very appreciated in the teutonic campaign. And the fire shall cleanse them filthy pagans.

4. Its the same with giants in the original tabel top. They look cool and are strong but usually are taken down by artillery before they make it to the enemies line. Just being that big and strong makes you a massive and easy to hit target

I actually quite like the mangonel in Medieval 2, for field battles at least. Although when you deploy them, you have to deploy them quite close to your front lines so there is little to no chance that it will explode over your own units. If you do that and give it some time, it will wreck enemy infantry units.

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I agree for the Mangonels for being everyone is your target, but I can use them in single player in defending choke points. It was one of the most sacrificial tactics I ever did from on an rts game.

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I actually just place the mangonel just behind my troops in defensive situations. They can barely launch their projectiles before they are past my troops. I do play rather defensive though.

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It is icredible how the menu soundtracks of rome, medieval 2, empire, rome 2 and attila make me feel so much the minute I hear them.

About the elephants: their weakness to missiles is not unrealistic. Against a line of javeliners or a band of bowmen, elephants where not expected to last. Those units stood in loose formation so that they could disperse in the face of an elephant charge and the beast would soon run mad with pain and flee the battle against the command of their riders. This famously happened to the army of Hannibal Barca at the battle of Zama, when they charged a line of javeliners.

The bees are used in fear army builds. It can be clearly seen in your own video that some enemy troops are breaking even before they start fighting. So I don't get why you say that there is no situation to use them. Same for elephants. It is a poor choice to fill an army with these units, to do a front charge and then say: "Look how disappointing they are!"

My top most disappointing unit will always be the elephants in Empire Total War, because I dont know if they eventually changed it, but in the base game, they die to any projectile in a single hit. A single tomahawk from a native american unit will KILL a full-grown elephant in Empire.

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Just put the mangonel closer to your own infantry, so you won't have that problem. Put it closely behind your infantry that is holding the line at a chokepoint and it's a really good unit.

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So I have 765 Hours in Rome 2 and I didn't even know the Beehive Onager was a thing that existed.... That's how incredibly awful it is...

It's all about the placement with Mangonels in Medieval 2 Kingdoms. If you have them behind a strong infantry line up a hill firing down on masses of attacking infantry (slowed down by a steep climb), then 4 or 5 mangonel units can do over a thousand casualties. And of course you place them as far forwards as possible to limit the friendly fire. It largely luck whether you get to fight a battle like this, but the ideal situation is one where you have a hill like lecture theatre, where the slope is like a funnel spreading outwards as it rises, so you can get enfilade as well as defilade in a concave curve. But if you find a battle site like that, exploit it mercilessly. There's one south of Zagreb, I believe.

Mangonels can have some good utility when the AI is camping during a battle. Put them right in front of your infantry, have them fire at the enemy mass, and then rush your infantry forward when the enemy comes to counterattack.

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Hello, thx for the great Video. I reconn you did your evaluation with capaign in mind ? If it is the case I absolutely agree with you. In single battle multi players however, I ve seen Giants used with great effects in some tournament in a couple of occasion, though the flaw you have mentioned are still true in general.

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Mangonels are insanely useful for gate defence in medieval 2, grab some mangonels grab some spearmen and watch the fun ensue as 100 men get blown to bits in seconds following one short range shot from a mangonel. I used them with terrifying effect in Stainless steel against the mongol invasion with my mangonels often having half the kills.

Agreed. I've played Rome 2 SOOO much and when i used the Beehive Onager, it was such a waste. The only good thing is that i used it in a multiplayer battle so i wasn't loosing out on a campaign or anything.

But then the footage for the beehive onager shows a few units breaking before they got into battle.. That's kinda opposite of disappointing.

NO NOT THE BEE[hive onagers]!

Wow, you're good with the Mangonels. I can't get them to hit anything, let alone my own units. My issue with them is that their projectiles tend to explode too early and then the fires burn out before they hit the ground.

Hah, I've ben playing a fair amount of MTW SS lately. Have to say I'm been making use of 1 or 2 mangonels in some of my defensive siege battles. Have them just behind the wall due to high trajectory, so they generally work quite well for me in that scenario.

The beehive onager isn’t effective in general but thank god the effect isn’t permanent. Look at poison archers in Attila.

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Personally in my eyes the Mangonel in Medieval 2 is not disappointing by a long shot, that thing has given me enough laughs seeing both the mine and the enemy's armies wiped out from Mangonel fire to make up for any cost.

I've found that the best use of the wooden cannons in FOTS is to use them against horses, I've managed to rack up some decent kills by using them on saber cavalry and the like. They're also useful for forcing a defending army with no artillery to attack, thus allowing you to fight the battle on your terms.

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"How many of you can honestly say you've used a beehive onager?" "I didnt even know they existed..."

i use mangonels but i dont keep it that far apart from my units to avoid friendly fire and they actually helped me a lot routing a bunch of enemy units before they clash into mine

I was dissapointed by rome 2 :// I can watch battles from Pixelated Apollo, but i rather buy and play rome 1 myself :D

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You're right on the beehive onager. Don't forget how it's also locked behind a siege engineer's workshop..... something you probably won't build until midgame.

You can use the Mangonels on a defensive siege to great effect against horse factions ( the Mongols). Block City center with spear units. Mangonel very close behind it. Fire at Mongols charging down the lane. I took down 2 and half stacks of Mongols with a half stack of units. Only lost because spears finally broke.

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The thing about mangonels in M2:TW is that their fuse is VERY unreliable (that's what too much realism does), so it's a poor choice to use as a long-range artillery in open-field battles. There's a niche that you can use it, which is in defensive sieges. Just park a few militia units in one of the paths leading to the city square with a mangonel unit just distant enough to arc the shots, wait for the enemy to send every single unit to try to push through and when the blob is filled up, shoot in the middle of the it. The barrels don't need to explode mid-air, a hit will result in a powerful explosion that will wipe anything close to it (that includes enemy generals). One salvo, under right circumstances, can rival a good Wind of Death.

The pure hatred in your voice with the bee hive onagers was intense

The Mangonel is quite good if you are able to use it the right way.

I haven't had remotely the issues with the magonel that was covered in this video. Then again, I keep my lines much close to my artillery than Legend did in this clip.

Incendiary pigs from the original Rome should have been in here. You have to wait so damn long to unlock them, they sound awesome but actually they do nothing whatsoever. Also worth mentioning stealth units (like Arcani in RTW or battlefield ninjas in S2TW) which seem awesome but mostly just die because they're so few in number. Not to say that they aren't useful (ninjas can be devastating if used well and supported by a bit of luck) but they're much worse than they seem and tend to get spotted and overwhelmed by some random unit before they get to ambush a high value target.

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Love those thumbnails man

I'd cast a vote for mortars in Napoleon TW. The shells seem to explode in midair or go off target more often than hitting the enemy, and I just never found a reason to use them over cannons.

are their any examples of armored/shielded giants in tabletop. that seems like it would be a really strong unit, all I seem to find are half naked brutes with clubs. I know they're not very bright creatures but it seems weird no one has ever considered giving on some proper gear

Fun thing, I actually got a Wooden Cannon in Fall of the Samurai to rank 9, and it had pretty good kills, though it was in a castle, and I usually targeted the generals with it if I could.

Mangonels are a fantastic unit - treat them like cannons in Empire/Napolean in that you leave a gap in your line for them to fit in and use a fair few units of them. Then sit back and watch over half the enemy cook to raining fire before they get within melee range!

silver shield swordsmen in rome 2. one of the (for me) most iconic units of the time and they are pretty much just the same as every other faction has at that tier.

the only use of the beehive onager is when defending a bridge with your force overwhelmed, destroy their morale massively

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I had a great siege defense where I held off two orc armies with a walled town and decent ten stack with mostly meh units but a Luminarch and steamtank.

I love the mangonel, they are particularly useful when defending in a siege. Put all ur soldiers in the town square facing the attackers and I often put a mangonel and a catapult right behind them. Wait for the enemy to bunch up and unleash the fury of the mangonel. One shot can take out an entire squad, this is how I defend against the Mongols and Timurids

I will say one thing in defence of the wooden cannons, because of their high arc of fire they are perfect for sniping enemy artillery when defending a siege.

What about beehive onagers in siege battles? I think that is its purpose

A better effect for the beehive onager on impact would be a wider aoe and removing hitpoints with maybe a rare chance to kill. Also it would stay there throughout the battle and affect either side.

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Honorable mention to fire projecting mangonels in Shogun 2