tbc just had a different feel to it. Idk how to describe it. I feel the same way.

@@gabe9646the reason most people like TBC was because in vanilla you felt fairly weak. Warriors and mages did high damage but had low survivability, priests and shamans and druids had high survive but would sacrifice their ability to do basically any DPS, for example. In TBC we saw buffs to healers DPS and added/buffed survivability to classes that didn’t already have any. Along with those things it was still easy and slow. Yes, TBC and vanilla were easy. Leveling was easy, just slow. Dungeons were easy, just slow. Raids were easy, again, just slow. There were hardly any mechanics that people needed to actually pay attention to in any aspect of the game. It was a time where whoever did the most damage the fastest won a PvP battle. People didn’t like wrath and prefer tbc and can’t explain why because it’s harder. Dungeons and raids finally had actual mechanics, PvP combat was different in that skill supersedes class/gear to an extent, gold was easier to make. People hated cataclysm for the same reasons except, realistically, cataclysm was by far the most balanced we’ve ever seen the world… of Warcraft. Just like what’s noted in the video, every class was viable in cataclysm, at least one spec was more than playable the entire expansion. Every class had something they excelled at, raids were hard, leveling was fun because there was an actual challenge in most cases. Yes, exp gains were increased, yes there were quality of life additions like an in game quest helper, but tell me you didn’t use questie in classic and tbc, almost 100% of people used either questie or an in game leveling guide… Long story short, TBC was slow paced and easy, the last time that was wow slow paced and easy. Where most things were a mind numbing grind. That’s why rep tabards were included in wrath, get rid of the mindless grinds because it’s a waste of everyone’s time.

the music in tbc alone is leagues above the rest. i cant believe they didnt make a clasic server for it @@gabe9646

Wotlk is good but TBC felt like home in a sense

I played every expansion except Pandaria, so I can say TBC is by far the best experience, very well put together expansion

I didn't play cata. My small guild did our first ICC 10 last night. It took us a few weeks to get enough people and gear them out in order to just step through the door. I was just thinking last night that it's a shame that 10/25 loot is so different as I don't see us ever organizing a 25.

@@calebsmith1926 As someone that's in a guild that did ICC 25m HC Lich King before nerfs I'd much rather play 10m if I had the chance. Sure, 25m is harder content but it's also less fun and you have more unreliable people as opposed to 10m. I can't wait to do 10m in Cataclysm especially as it's of equal or harder difficulty to 25m and has the same gear. 10m is where I've had the most fun personally.

I have a hard time joining a 25 man raid group. I’m a ten man hero. Annoying to be competing for loot anyways.

@@icebox1954 I have way more fun in our 10m group than the few times we have been able to get 25 guildies on for a full raid. We got a real close knit raid group and we all have a blast on raid nights. In 10 everyone has to pull their weight, in most 25 content you can make up for a couple slackers but the margins in 10 are so small everyone has to be on their shit. We got everything but Litch King down on heroic but usually only had enough time for one solid raid night a week so we didn’t get a whole lot of looks at Heroic LK.

@@rizzorizzo2311 10m HC LK is apparently pretty easy compared to 25m HC. My guild did LK 25m HC before player buffs but it was barely done and in that fight even a few people slacking can wipe the whole raid so some 25m is definitely much more difficult than 10m. In WoTLK 10m is easy mode but that won't be true in Cata where it's usually harder than 25m due to less combat rez and interrupts etc.

Same here, I’m so excited for this xpac

Yep! Those are my top 2 as well and I've played since the original vanilla.

Raw facts!

MOP ERA

based!

they should make the expacs after mop be a separate client altogether, it's a different game after mop.

So it's your fault, then. RIP Windseeker

@@dsforthman1 Haha sorry, we got moved from NGK and have gone to Mirage Raceway but has been great, feels good to be on a somewhat lively server again

I totally agree, i actually think its closer to vanilla than WOTLK is which is why i don't get why people hate on it lol. Back in eastern kingdoms, old dungeons remade as heroics etc. Sure the world is a bit different and so are the quests but to me it's all positive.

Arthas literally carried all of the hype for Wotlk expansion. It is pretty dumb to say that Cata isn't superior to Wotlk in literally every single aspect there is... Hell, even DS is better than Naxx/OS/EoE/ToC/RS... @@Scottejaye

Focus is great, but if trap weaving stays mandatory hunter is still ruined.

@@brandonm3621 speaking strictly for survival, you use black arrow over traps in single target in cata

​@josedavidmunozmartinez4722 dont forget that wrath had the privilege of still having the old original world behind it. New players wete doing that, not the actual end game. Its quite stupid when people point at population numbers when the 2004 version of the game carried the games hype years and Blizzard probably did their best promotional content for Wrath.

sooo true those legendary daggers have been calling to me the last few weeks and im very excited to get them

You guys do get that you get them late, right? It's like Shadowmourne at the moment. It likely isn't worth playing a whole expansion just to be good at the end.

@@icebox1954 yeah is on the last phase, but the thing is, rogues are really fun if you like PVP, if you dont like pvp then you can go play starcraft or runescape, trust me, rogues are dope in cata

@@Zeth408 starcraft is literally a PvP game almost exclusively what are u on about

I agree, the PvE content is top notch and I'm not a massive PvPer but i hear its really well balanced as well

is not ! u will se when u need to those all cow poo under water quest plus those horrible rep farm... is just bad! i know coz i did it!

​@@Altarknight I played it back in the day as well. Also played it on a private server a few years ago.

​@@AltarknightYeah, nah. I played cata all the way through it's original release and it was amazing.

underwater zone is the BEST and you can walk fast in the water !!!

True

True. Cata is my favorite exp. Wotlk is one of my least favorite expansion except for ICC. But now that I did LoD again, I don't think ICC is that good of a raid anymore... Besides LK himself, most fights I HATE and they are tedious. Like, Cindy HC, Valithria (am a healer main but i have dps chars too), Gunship, Saurfang, Queen are literally just shit fights. I am someone who enjoys Council just because it is at least somewhat mechanically interesting fight. The rest are ok, including LK. Now for cata... That is a whole different story. Tier 11 I love everything pretty much. The new council is one of my most fun fights, Onyxia/Nef, Chogall, Atramedes, even Chimaeron (cause as a healer, you have windows for MASSIVE healing when you stack but generally play the fight entirely differently). It's just all good.

Last raid, spine of dw is why I 100% agree!

Would agree except for the talents. They should have added more branches more end talents to choose from, not destroy the old ones

And even then, i feel like DS was perfectly fine EXCEPT the last 2 bosses. Not the best final raid of an xpac but it really wasn't awful

Atonement pr is still the best spec in cata..

Most telling you not to have a personal gripe about the expansion with no actual backing. The rest regurgitate something someone else says without looking up for themselves.

​@@Davidhenry1210yep. Cata was amazing.

No one's actually telling you not to, it's just asmongler fans desperately praying for the game to fail. Don't fall for it - the numbers don't lie, as even in its biggest post-holiday lull yet, WOTLK has more active raiders weekly than classic era and garbage retail combined. Go tell asmon to collect some pets.

Bingo. Not a single qualified person has ever hated on cata with thought out reasons. It's just repeating the asmongold and co created meme of "lol cata hurt durr wow tokens hurt durr"@@Davidhenry1210

@@cococock2418 Well I like asmon but sadly his audience is a bunch of smooth brains.

Because the guild system shat out gold like you found el dorado. Gold got inflated a shitton in cata

They're going to share the same lockout so you can only do one or the other

​@ahetzel9054 not true, you can do both in the same week

I loved playing Enhancement Shaman for some reason, you were not OP or anything but it just felt good. MM+SV Hunter were amazing too and I should not forget about Boomkin and Spriest!

They should carry over into the new guild leveling system

On the server I was playing on it was as long as the majority of the players were in the same guild so 3 minimum. I'm pretty sure, could've been 4 but it shouldn't require a full group

Because they're literally classic things? None of these things are even remotely retail-like. Why do you "love" sod if it was retail abilities in it by your logic? WOTLK is classic, TBC was classic, and cata is classic, hence "cata classic".

I think that's MoP

You're speaking the truth. Everything was so good and so fun in cata. I've almost got every class to 80 in preparation!

What's the private server I don't think I can wait that long haha

Whitemane ​@@baldyshere

does it have a good pop?@@xianji5306

I also played all classes in a private server and I agree all classes are fun to play in cata except maybe Shadow Pr which for me is a bit boeing esp in PVP.. In PVE it is decent..

When classic vanilla transitions to TBC classic then wotlk classic nobody bats an eye Where else do you expect the game to progress? Go back to SOD/Hardcore & stay there.

@@nutterbipple because tbc and wrath felt like extensions of classic. Cata is more like retail and if I wanted to play retail I would

DS HC raids are probably the most difficult raids in WoW history.. Esp Spine HC..

Uhm, I think you should be able to because I'm pretty sure people are going to buy race changes to play as them .

I believe worgen and goblins will be available in the prepatch before cata actually drops so yea, or you could just buy a race change?

what's scaled up ?

@@NICO-mr4ll Old raids that gets the levels increased so that they'll be relevant in current expansion including loot I assume. This would fix content droughts and have some variety from week to week. Private servers do this a lot and people generally like it too.

Mijae has some good content as well and has done a lot of class guides. I'm going for BDK and Arms warrior so far.

@@icebox1954 im sure he does but none of thats interesting for me. i will main priest til the day I quit. ^^ non-class-content however!

Completely valid concern tbh. I know if people give it a shot they will like launch and phase 1, but even for me personally i find it quite boring after that. I am far more excited at the prospect of getting MoP than i am Cata actually but thats because i really like gold challenge modes and ofc the best class in the game...the monk :D

Cry more

@@TheWowzz How do you get crying from my message? I am weighing pros and cons of why I might or might not like something. Go have a walk, you seem rather angry.

How is it tough?? What you can't do CCs??

It will pick up as it gets closer, i have no doubt. Most servers have been butchered because of season of discovery at the moment but once the hype dies down when phase 2 is out people will flock to cata. Personally im spending more time on WOTLK/Cata atm than i am SoD because its just starting to get boring at 25 and i think its gonna be like that every phase.

What he said, not many say theyre playing it but that'll def change as we get closer. It always does. And if they add raid scaling its gonna be huge 🤩🤩

Transfer.

Hard pass. Pservers are garbage and warmane is pay to win garbage.