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Top Bar Hive Inspection and Difficulty

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Mike Barry

Mike Barry

Күн бұрын

I decided to look into my top bar hive for the first time in a year. Wasn't a very successful inspection, so I decided to check on another hive nearby. Thanks for joining me in my 2020 beekeeping season as I share how I maintain my beehives from winter through the following fall. My videos are not meant to be 'How To' videos, but simply me sharing my experiences in beekeeping as I learned it from my mentors, teachers, and studies.

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@BugFarmerBees
@BugFarmerBees 4 жыл бұрын
I am happy just watching your bees. You will get a thumbs up and a full watch from me. I love your videos buddy. I may even get a top bar next year.
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Bug Farmer! Really glad you enjoy them. Check out the link above from commenter Matthew McCormick. Great design for a long lang. That way you have standard frames. If you go top bar, then try to build your bars the same length as a Langstroth frame so you can interchange of needed.
@julieenslow5915
@julieenslow5915 4 жыл бұрын
Always a pleasure to see what you and your bees are up to! Thank you Mike!
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Julie. Always such nice comments and support. I appreciate it!!
@petermurphy6216
@petermurphy6216 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike, I see so many of those top bar hives and your right they make crazy cone seems to much trouble for me and if I was a beginner beekeeper I would t start with one I’m with you either langstroth or British standard for me saying that I wouldn’t mind a tree log hive to just play with . Thank you Mike cool vlog mate.
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 4 жыл бұрын
I would like to see the British standard close and in person. It looks so much bigger in videos and pictures.
@holzsmsf
@holzsmsf 2 жыл бұрын
Hey buddy, I have Top Bars and love them. Cross comb is avoided by having bar no less than 38cm in width and also giving the girls a starter strip straight across under the top bar to build on. You also have to inspect them the same as all the other types and if you do that, you can starighten any comb that is not straight. Simply, as you said it. you should have inspected it and corrected it... Its not the fault of the design... I love them.
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Mel. Yes, you are correct, it was my bust on the top bar. The first colonies in it when I got good bars made, did very well and I inspected regularly. I would straighten the comb each time if I saw any going off offline. But as I began to keep more production langs, I let the top bar alone more often than not. I'm not sure I said it was not a good design or the fault of the design. My actual top bar was not the best built, but I don't disagree with the design. I took credit for the issue. I got to where I would just leave it to the bees and stay out of it and let them just be bees. It was just a fun hive to have in the front yard and show off bees to visitors and let them look through the window in the back. Where I do have issues is in our heat. Honey combs are awful about breaking loose in this heat and so I personally, don't care for the design. Not the design is bad, just not for me. I personally don't like them for why and how I keep bees, but for those that do like them, I support them 100%. But for honey production, they are not the correct hive, so I just had the one for fun. And now after Hurricane Ida, it really doesn't matter as a huge pine tree crushed it. I always say, folks need to find what works for them in there operation and for their goals. I say that a lot in my videos. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!!
@jessabeebees956
@jessabeebees956 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, you just saved me 250$. I have already had problems with cross combing in my langstroth hive. I finally got the bees to draw it right.
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 4 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped! Thanks for watching!!
@strugglingbeekeepermarkcot9642
@strugglingbeekeepermarkcot9642 4 жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t mind having a top bar hive but that is down the road. Thanks for sharing I appreciate it hope you have a great evening.
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 4 жыл бұрын
They’re neat, and easier to handle the comb up y’alls way if you do it in the morning or evening.
@treenester
@treenester 4 жыл бұрын
I started with top bar hives in 2008, and last year was my first year with langstroth equipment. I caught swarms from my top bar hives and installed into foundationless 8 frame mediums. Lost all hives last year but one of the 8 frames, so I'm building back up this year in all langstroth equipment. The top bar hive design I used for here in Central Alabama was Les Crowder's plan, and it worked fine, really simple and no starter strips or comb guides, just place emptys between two straight ones and they'll build it straight. I changed to langstroth mostly because if I get into selling nucs and such, people will want standard stuff. I really enjoy the vids.
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!! Hate to hear you lost those hives. I guess if you’re in the NUC business, definitely need langstroth boxes. I would imagine you’ll still run a couple of your top bars wouldn’t you?
@treenester
@treenester 4 жыл бұрын
@@MikeBarryBees I might in the future. Keep up the good work. I'm always learning from you guys.
@dcm727
@dcm727 4 жыл бұрын
It’s very important to inspect a top bar hive regularly to avoid this type of situation
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 4 жыл бұрын
That’s true, but the way I figure, they moved in on their own, I peeked in on them a few times last year for fun, and just left them to be bees. They’re not a production hive for me, so basically they are a wild hive in my eyes. No different than a hive in a tree in the yard. I just like having them in the yard. I let them just be bees. Thanks for the comment!!
@dcm727
@dcm727 4 жыл бұрын
Mike Barry that’s a great way of looking at it. Enjoy.
@jeremiahyeo5863
@jeremiahyeo5863 4 жыл бұрын
Wow… You really let your top bar hive just go like there’s nothing you can do now. I’m astonished that you would let it go for a whole year without checking on them once. Top bar hives require a bit more maintenance I would say then your standardized Langstroth hives, and in my opinion are probably a great one for beginners because they teach you a lot in a short amount of time. Beginners need hands-on experience and need to know how to correct measures like cross comb, they need to be active in caring for the bees and be able to keep up with inspections and notetaking. You really shouldn’t be too surprised at your results.If you’re just gonna let your hive go like that for a whole year without an inspection on it, you must not be “that into it”. (Maybe you don’t really like beekeeping). Just some things to consider. I think your video would’ve been a bit more informative by demonstrating what you’re gonna do about the mess since you’ve opened it up now. I think it’s a little disheartening to make the claim that you’re going to do more damage by doing something about the situation such as “removing the comb” and letting them start a fresh,.... than the alternative which sounds like you’re just going to “let them alone “and when they die off then you go clean it up. Doesn’t sound like it’s going to be a very strong hive by neglecting it, nor a very positive or rewarding experience. At this point it would probably be a good idea to go get a Langstroth hive and try to dump what you can into there and maybe do a hive split and start doing some maintenance on that top bar. And just like everything else in this world, you let things sit and collect dust and tarnish and rust and become moth eaten and grow mold... and something that you had valued before - now becomes nearly valueless. I hope you get back to it in instead of just letting this one die off. I don’t think it’s a total loss. Honestly, I think there’s probably a lot of capped honey in there you should probably do your crush and strain, melt down some of your wax. Give them some more room to start building on get more organized and then you can work yourself out of the hole that you dug. Remember neglect is what got you to this point. If you’re just gonna neglect it some more until they die off - you might as well try to give it to somebody who wants to go fix it up , and care for them.
@tammybarrett13
@tammybarrett13 4 жыл бұрын
I'm convinced when I finally get to get me some bees I'm going with the standard boxes.
@matthewmccormick2417
@matthewmccormick2417 4 жыл бұрын
Build a Horizontal hive that has use of normal deep frames. saves on the back. I wouldnt do a top bar for sure either
@matthewmccormick2417
@matthewmccormick2417 4 жыл бұрын
horizontalhive.com/how-to-build/long-langstroth-plans.shtml
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 4 жыл бұрын
Matthew has a good link there for sure. If you want a hive that tall and long, check out the link he provided. Uses standard frames and all. Thanks for watching Tammy!!
@matthewmccormick2417
@matthewmccormick2417 4 жыл бұрын
Can also make the hive i shown with 1 enter hole and make the top so you can use a hive top feeder when needed. again they work good thank you
@donbearden1953
@donbearden1953 4 жыл бұрын
Mike, do you have fall flow in that part of the country? I scared the lady in the single deep is going to run out of a place to lay and swarm. I’m not telling you how to run your show but if it was min I would add another deep with 5 or 6 frames of drawn comb and put 3 of those on the bottom and move 3 full frames up. Then the little lady could lay and might not pack her bags. With no flow maybe you wouldn’t be so honey bound. You need a machete to run down between the bars on the top bar hive, cut the crazy comb. Just a thought,
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 4 жыл бұрын
Don, our fall flow isn't enough to build up a box. More times than not it's nothing at all. I'd have to feed heavily during the dearth. I added a medium drawn super to that hive just to give them space, but she has laying room in the bottom and the flow has all but stopped. But, I added the medium to be sure since there is some residual wild elderberry and other little wild flowers around. Full on dearth won't be until July most likely. Once the tallow stops, I've not had an issue with swarming or them being honey bound. They can get pollen bound with Bahia grass seed heads, but with the medium, she should be fine. The machete is a good idea, although I'm still going to need to wait until spring. There is so much honey, it would flood the hive if I start cutting this time of year. I should've went in them in February. Did a video in the wind today and I think I got the cotton ball mic baffle figured out and working well. Some wind noise, but not enough to detract. Thanks for the tip!!
@matthewmccormick2417
@matthewmccormick2417 4 жыл бұрын
What i like and is easy on the back is the Horizontal hive made to use deep frames like in a normal nuke. Also can put tray on bottom and a screen and like one i have still has wood bottom under trays. Works good unlike a top bar. Can swap frames between the Horizontal and regular box always for the win. Cheers Mike Sir have a great weekend
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, I would suggest the long lang way before a top bar. And you are correct my friend, the stress on the back is not there when working them. Even my top bar is the ideal height. But the long lang is nice. Joseph Rawls built some and he likes them a lot. You have a great weekend as well Matthew!!
@villainousssb533
@villainousssb533 4 жыл бұрын
The long hives with standard langstroth deeps make sense I think. Particularly for people with dodgy backs. Uses standard processing gear. Take splits. Etc The tapered ones with a starter strip look like hard work.
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 4 жыл бұрын
I agree 100%. Especially about the the didgy backs. I have a bad back and standing up beside a long lang would be easy on the back. Thanks for the comment. Re enforces what I was trying to say!!
@KellyNsGrotto
@KellyNsGrotto 4 жыл бұрын
I like Mr Ed's "top bar". As I recall, it uses the regular langstrom bars on a long box. It makes it so you dont have to lift boxes, but I am not sure he has an excluder.
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 4 жыл бұрын
Mr. Ed has a long Lang hive, not a top bar. He built it to mimick floor joists since so many of his joist cutouts are always do massive and healthy. And it is nice. Thanks for the comment!!
@daniellineberry8879
@daniellineberry8879 4 жыл бұрын
Hate to see what happened with the top hive, but it sure saved me. I have been thinking of doing one in a few more years when I have some more experience, but I think I will try horizontal hive with regular frames. Thanks for the video Mike.
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 4 жыл бұрын
I, in my personal opinion, would say that's a better bet!! Thanks for watching Daniel.
@joelwhite4963
@joelwhite4963 4 жыл бұрын
I have a top bar. The bees all left back in April. Not a swarm but a "let's pack up and move" moment. Not a live bee left in it. When I opened it up I mashed 12 wax moths going through it. One big worm in the honeycomb. They are too much trouble.
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 4 жыл бұрын
I have to agree. But I guess plenty of folks do enjoy them, so goes beekeeping. Everyone has their preference I suppose. Thanks for the comment!!
@bruceturek3412
@bruceturek3412 4 жыл бұрын
yea mike let that be your swarm hive. speaking for myself to much time and materials for me to even build it and takes up to much room but im glad you opened it up for us. and as always another good video thanks for sharing
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bruce. When I get to fixing it, I’ll do a better video. They did swarm again finally, so being that late a swarm, I hope they requeen fine and go into winter strong.
@mikeries8549
@mikeries8549 4 жыл бұрын
If you're into splitting a top bar type hive is a swarm machine.
@JakeBeesos
@JakeBeesos 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with you on the harvesting part. Taking all the combo they can't build it back till the next year.
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 4 жыл бұрын
Just have to take very little I suppose. I don’t take any unless they packed.
@dlbraly
@dlbraly 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@KayiFarmJaHoneyBees
@KayiFarmJaHoneyBees 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Mike, I agree I wouldnt recommend this type of hive for a beginner. I would love to build a couple langstroth-top bar combination though!
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 4 жыл бұрын
Me too. I could see a couple of the long langs in my yard.
@mikeries8549
@mikeries8549 4 жыл бұрын
Actually they're perfect for a beginner bee haver. There are tons of bee havers. The ratio of beekeepers:beehavers is about 1:100. Theres a large association of around 400 ppl. 4 are beekeepers. The rest? Not.
@jayweddle7993
@jayweddle7993 4 жыл бұрын
Good video Mike !!!
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks again Jay!!
@BeeBeeBailey
@BeeBeeBailey 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! What did you use to check for eggs? Some kind of lighted magnifying glass?
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 4 жыл бұрын
Brenda, just a regular magnifying glass. I tried a lighted one, but it does not direct the light beam very well. So it I need light, I use an LED pen light with the magnifying glass. Works great, but the frame has to be set down. So now I'm experimenting with yellow colored safety glasses with bi-focals in them with the LED light sometimes. Works pretty well and allows me to keep hold of the frame. Thanks for watching!!
@Les0613
@Les0613 4 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed this video, don’t know how you can work in that heat!
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 4 жыл бұрын
I tell ya, it's getting harder and harder. It was nice today. 68 this morning and was 85 to 90 while in the hives. Probably 75 to 80 in the shade, so it was very good weather to work in. Pulling honey in a couple week though, is going to be brutal. Thanks for watching and for the comment!!
@lorabrumfield1211
@lorabrumfield1211 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. My education continues. I have lots of ladies in the park on bee protection. Now to get them on KZfaq. And joining your site. Most don’t know where the on button is for the IPad. Think they like the bees because it is a all girls club. They keep asking about the kitchen Queen. Any updates?
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 4 жыл бұрын
Yessiree, get them onboard the all ladies club. We'll just overlook all those drones....LOL. Well, the last time I looked, the kitchen queen was laying fine (why did I not name her that). I have not opened that hive since. Just don't want to mess her up. The entrance looks normal for bees coming and going, so I'm thinking she is still chugging along just fine.
@rstlr01
@rstlr01 3 жыл бұрын
Top bar perfect for this beginner, The importance of getting into your hive every week cannot be overstated. During April and May I was in the hive sometimes twice a week to checkerboard top bars in the brood nest. It needs to be in your backyard not in your out-yard. My two hives both have 20+ bars of perfection with no cross comb. It may just be beginners luck though. Everything I have read got me scared for this winter, they are going to die because bees don’t move horizontally. 😬 reason I went with top bars I made them for less then a starter hive with one deep.
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you for the most part. And also glad you're having good success with you top bar. The main reason I don't recommend them for beginners down here in our climate is that the heat is so tough and it's very easy for comb to break during inspections. I'm not a proponent of going into hives too often, but yes, in the case of a growing top bar colony, they need to be gone into regularly to prevent cross combing. One note of interest; some colonies cross comb more than others, so it can go wrong in some cases regardless of what we do. I wouldn't allow those what you're reading to concern you too much. Plenty of people over winter top bars just fine. I don't consider them 'more natural' than Langstroth, and for that reason, I believe that it is no different then overwintering in a single deep. They're going to cluster. And I also agree on your reason to begin with those. They truly are cheaper. I built mine from scrap and hinges laying around. I did finally buy wedge cut top bars and a colony I had a colony a few years ago that built so much better on those and I had perfect comb for a couple years. It did die out and wax moths destroyed a lot of it, so back to the drawing board. But this one isn't in terrible shape, but to try to cut comb and straighten it out in the heat would not be good. I'll get it back in order in the spring. The brood frames are straight, so it shouldn't be an issue once I get back in it. Thanks for your comment on your successes with the top bar. And best wishes with your over-wintering.
@DavidWilliams-wr4wb
@DavidWilliams-wr4wb 2 жыл бұрын
This is a great bee hive , it’s not a great people hive and they definitely aren’t beginner hives , there is just more that can go wrong in my opinion over a tried but true langstroth, my opinion, to far south you have to be careful in the heat, and too cold in the north , this would be suited better for a place like central California , again , my opinion 😜
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 2 жыл бұрын
Well David, I think I can agree with every point you made. You are echoing my same words...lol!! They are neat and before the hurricane put a tree through this one, it was just for fun and I finally just let whatever bees moved in do their thing. I rarely ever even opened it. Thanks for watching!!
@DavidWilliams-wr4wb
@DavidWilliams-wr4wb 2 жыл бұрын
@@MikeBarryBees I enjoyed the video, Anyway 😀i subscribed and liked your page too ! , I developed an allergy to bees , I helped my family maintain 400 hives , it was a pretty lucrative business with 400 productive hives and for all the guys that are bee whisperers after having bees for 2 or 20 years think they are tough and don’t wear protective gear because they know their bees , well , I thought I knew our bees too and there is a lot that can affect them and they can turn on a dime , I thought I was tough because I got stung so many times but honey bee venom is some bad stuff and it can mess up your immune system and make reactions a lot worse and even deadly, I left the bee business for 30 years because I developed an allergy to bees , now just getting back into bees I have the burning desire but I have to be super careful and wear a full suit just to go watch a landing board !
@maryannerosselle2754
@maryannerosselle2754 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike. Have you seen the horizontal hives from Dr. Leo. He has all his plans on horizantalhive.com and they use deep frames. They are still on our to build list but have heard from many other UTubers how great they are. Love your videos.
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!! Yes, I took a look at it. Very clean design and looks efficient.
@matthewmccormick2417
@matthewmccormick2417 4 жыл бұрын
Here is kinda like plans for what i was talking about only use 1 enterance hole not all 3 horizontalhive.com/how-to-build/long-langstroth-plans.shtml
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 4 жыл бұрын
That i a really nice hive. I bookmarked that page. I wouldn't mind having a couple of the long langs.
@matthewmccormick2417
@matthewmccormick2417 4 жыл бұрын
@@MikeBarryBees How it has 3 holes to enter tho i made with 1 at either end. Only reason for 3 is if you want to split it with a divider. I made 1 divider so i can keep critters out and expand as they grow. works good and saves on the back. Take care Sir and as always stay safe
@harrisjoubertwithsleepycre1924
@harrisjoubertwithsleepycre1924 4 жыл бұрын
LOL tried 4 times to shoot one today, never did get it, maybe tomarrow. never understood a top bar, they look like a pain
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 4 жыл бұрын
To me they’re a pain, but a lot of people like them. I suppose it just depends on each persons level of pain. But I agree, and it was built with that exciting new beekeeper attitude of wanting to do ‘everything bees’.
@odcohiodeercontrolllcapiar491
@odcohiodeercontrolllcapiar491 4 жыл бұрын
Top bar hives need more maintenance Visits I bring a bread knife with me to cut comb from sides ,
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 4 жыл бұрын
Mine is small enough I can get a hive tool down the sides. First year the colony liked to attach to the sides. The last two colonies did not and normally build straight comb, but I think that was due to the better bee bars. This year they put just a slight curve at the end of the new honey bars, but the brood bars are probably still ok.
@josephrawls
@josephrawls 4 жыл бұрын
Looks like the top bar is going to be a March 2021 project.
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 4 жыл бұрын
That's a fact Joey!! Can't wait for Thursday!!
@josephrawls
@josephrawls 4 жыл бұрын
@@MikeBarryBees Same here.
@suzanneguiho4882
@suzanneguiho4882 4 жыл бұрын
Can’t manage a horizontal hive in the same way as a vertical hive. That is the main problem of most people who « try » a horizontal hive.
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, and that is why I caution people when they are talking about getting one. They need to research it and know what they are getting is not the same. The problem in our club/area is very few people have them, so there are not a lot of hands on learning opportunities. And when a person is seeking honey as a main reason, I suggest a lang setup. Thanks for your comment!
@suzanneguiho4882
@suzanneguiho4882 4 жыл бұрын
Mike Barry your right. There is very little out there in English from the U S on the horizontal hives. I am fortunate to know French and this be capable of following European beekeepers who know the management of horizontal hives and have used them for many, many years. I could relate to your enthusiasm that puts one in a « loss for words » type of State.
@FernvalleyFarm
@FernvalleyFarm 4 жыл бұрын
Well thats different havent seen a hive like that
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 4 жыл бұрын
It's kind of neat. Top bars vary from keeper to keeper. It was a newbee project for me after I got started, but I wouldn't have another one. A long lang, yes. Top bar, no.
@FernvalleyFarm
@FernvalleyFarm 4 жыл бұрын
@Yo Mama never seen one of them before
@mikeries8549
@mikeries8549 4 жыл бұрын
I built two hives very similar to the video hive. Gable roof on hinges. They are fun but not efficient use of time. Once you're skilled enough to make more colonies on purpose it's not a game anymore and really...top bar hives are toys...not equipment for making income off of but I suppose it's possible. Not for me. I make around 10k/year off hobby beekeeping.
@privatebubba8876
@privatebubba8876 4 жыл бұрын
I have never been impressed with a top bar hive. To me it's just a step above a skep. I made my second pull of honey today to extract tomorrow and lost 5 lbs doing it. LOL.
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 4 жыл бұрын
I did a pre-harvest check (and video of course) to see where we are for capped and strength to cap and protect, and just doing that I lost that much weight!! But at least it was somewhat cooler, right? Yea, topbar, not my favorite. As I stated in another comment, I wouldn't mind having a couple long langs though. I did a second video and pulled the 5 supers from the dairy hives. They were all full and capped in the direct sunlight and the hives down there are so poor, I didn't want to lose the supers to robbing or pests.
@privatebubba8876
@privatebubba8876 4 жыл бұрын
@@MikeBarryBees I've heard diffing opinions on the Langstroth long hive and a common thread is they are great resource hives but not so good at honey production. But that could have just been the keeper's bees. 5 supers is a nice haul. Thanks for another entertaining and informative video.
@MikeBarryBees
@MikeBarryBees 4 жыл бұрын
I can see that. Joey Rawls says in his they never go bast 10 deep with brood, and the he’ll get a few frames past 10 with honey. So not a good production hive. But as you well know, just needs to suit the different needs and reasons each beekeeper has for having bees.
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