UNDER THE SEA!!! UNDER THE SEA!!! DOWN WHERE IS WORSE!!! YOU GOTTA REHEARSE WITH STUPID GOOFY!!! UP THERE ITS A AWESOME HACK AND SLASH!!! DOWN HERE ITS A POOR BUTTON MASH!!! OUR MUSIC HAS NO RING!!! OSMENT CAN'T SING!!!! SOMEONE KILL MEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

I remember playing through Kingdom Hearts 2 only once, and unfortunately "Atlantica" is one of the areas I remember the most because of how much my jaw was dropping the whole time...

"One of Sonic Team's more rational decisions." *shows a screenshot of Sonic Boom, a game Sonic Team didn't make.*

number one "huh I wonder what Zelda game he chose" *shows phantom hourglass* OH NOOOOO

Four words. Water temples, breath limits.

Roses are red fire is too where have you been joshscorcher? we missed you

Gonna add this to my watch later before Josh makes a mistake and removes the video

Perhaps you can do a Top 10 Good Levels in Bad Games to balance things out? As for what I consider to be a bad level in an otherwise good game: ANY of Big the Cat's levels in Sonic Adventure.

Good job Josh, you've beaten WatchMojo to this spot

"And then you see an air bubble but kinda miss it." WHAAAAAAT? Why would you do that?

And that makes me really happy that they improved the Ocean King's Temple design by A LOT in Spirit Tracks with the Tower of Spirits. You never have to repeat an area, there's no time limit, and you get one of those Phantoms that had frustrated you to no end to POSESS AND CONTROL which is incredibly satisfying and makes for some cool duo-puzzles.

Having only played Bayonetta for the first time today, Route 666 was actually a lot of fun for me! Namely the motorcycle section. That is how Shadow the Hedgehog's bike levels SHOULD have played.

I feel like I'm the only one that doesn't hate Atlantica. I don't like it, but I don't revile in horror upon visiting it

*reads the title* ''Atlantica will be on it right?'' *shows up* "CALLED IT"

The Pachinko Machine level is SOOO hard. It broke BOTH members of the Game Grumps, after making two videos worth of attempts at beating it during their Sunshine playthrough. That's how bad it was

I hate the Wing Cap sections in Super Mario 64. A perfectly made game that is ruined by a clunky and hard to control flying section... I hate it.

Did Josh say Okami is a good game? Have I entered an alternate reality?

Please do some volume control. The music is very loud compared to your voice.

While I actually liked the Subspace Emissary, I know it had flaws, but I kind of liked what they were going for with it. How do you feel about the Subspace Emissary overall, Josh?

You know, Phantom Hourglass was both my first DS game and my first Zelda game. Suffice to say it was not a good introduction to either of them.

Well then, if I can make it through Phantom Hourglass, *I CAN MAKE IT THROUGH ANYTHING!!!*

That Sonic Boom joke falls flat when you remember it wasn't developed by Sonic Team

I'm not sure if you ever decided to replay Okami but the final boss is good.

Corporal burner you see the great maze is a way to see if the player can go through and see if you know how to defeat all the bosses you've fought before.

The Ocean Temple made me quit Phantom Hourglass for a long time, but once you get to the final floor of it, it's pretty fun to speedrun it to get some sweet loot

I remember that Josh was the first guy I watched on youtube, 5 freaking years ago...

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10:52 Uh, have ever even PLAYED Monster Hunter?

Uka Uka and Cortex want Tiny get Crystals and bring them to big coliseum in Rome. Crash, leave them for Tiny, or Crash get crushed!

...Is that the theme music from Extra Credits?

Endless Explosions in Kirby Triple Deluxe, only because of its boss.

Am I the only one who actually LIKED Gloomy Galleon?! ... I loved the atmosphere and the music was great imo

Whoa. Hating boss rushes. I love boss rushes. Like in Brawl I like the challenge of the Great Maze and how it put everything together, but you pile it up as sins. Those kind of things are awesome to me.

I have a few that I have similar thoughts on in this regard. I'm gonna go over them from least hated to most hated. Donkey Kong Country Returns: Bombs Away (level 4-3) This minecart level in particular gave me a lot of trouble in my first (and so far, only) playthrough. For some reason, despite holding down on the D-pad the whole time, DK would sometimes decide to stop ducking, causing him to die. This basically turned a level that would otherwise be skill-based in a heavily skill-based game into a luck-based torture chamber. Please tell me I'm not the only one that this happened to. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess: City in the Sky I really wanted to like this one. I really did. However, I can't get over my first experience with this dungeon. There's a part toward the end where you have to go around the dungeon until you get to the room above the main branching room, where you have to clawshot down into the latter room to pull down a switch on the ceiling. The problem is, either I didn't realize I needed to pull it, or I did but then saved and turned the game off, which led to me needing to do it again. Either way, feeling completely stuck, I ended up _restarting the entire game_ in frustration. Among the 3D Zelda games, this is one of only two dungeons I ever needed a walkthrough to get through because of this. The other one was the Water Temple. Let that sink in for a moment (no pun intended). Final Fantasy 1: Marsh Cave In order to retrieve the elven king's crown, you need to go down into this difficulty spike of a dungeon. To start with, there are several enemies here that can poison or paralyze you, at a point where you have had almost no prior worries of status ailments. Poison isn't that bad on its own, but if you take in to account that having it active at the end of a battle switches the party around, it becomes tedious to remove. Paralysis wears off at the end of a battle, but it stops you from moving. Period. On top of that, one such enemy, the Green Slime/Ooze, can only effectively be taken out with magic. Then we have the mini-boss of the dungeon, a group of Piscodemons/Wizards, that don't use magic but instead do a crazy amount of physical damage for this point in the game. Because potatoes. And what's your reward for going through this dungeon? Arguably the worst boss in the game. That may not seem so bad, right? I mean, Phoenix Downs are a thing, aren't they? Not in the NES/Virtual Console version, which is the version I happened to play. Yaaay... Cave Story: The Labyrinth For starters, when you first enter the area after fighting a certain spoilery boss, you don't have an opportunity to refill your health without grinding. So if you're low on health, prepare to have a painful time getting all your health back. In order to get through the level, you end up fighting *four bosses*. In order, we have a recolor of Balrog, arguably the most infamously hard boss in the game, Balrog for the final time, and one of the runners up for the most infamously hard boss in the game. Before you even get to that last boss, you have a whole bunch of different situations, where if you misstep even once, you ruin your chances of getting the best ending. Kid Icarus Uprising: Chapter 17 Is it bad that the flying segment is the only good part of the chapter? Story aside, the land portion of this level is essentially an _escort mission_ where you need to keep the Centurions alive to get you to where the boss is. That's easier said than done, considering these Centurions have the constitution of a Magikarp. Not only that, but during this whole segment, you have very little ground to go on. Every other level with a land section had some room to explore, but here, you're confined to one of two circular platforms. And then there's the boss. Hoo boy, the boss. While I don't think it's the worst in the game, it's definitely up there. Combine particularly tough attacks to dodge (especially since you're still stuck on the second of those platforms), uninteresting dialogue in a game where funny dialogue is the rule rather than the exception, the fact that how to actually damage the boss is _never_ brought up unlike other bosses, and the fact that aiming for these far-away weak points (which make clubs and arms tough to use here) means you won't be able to see the boss's attacks coming, you've got a recipe for disaster.

DON'T EVEN TRY AND PULL THAT SHIT IN THE CREDITS. I had to play through that shit recently as I was playing KH2 and.. I almost cringed so hard I cried.

10:53 I rewinded that part so many times and laughed for 2 minutes non stop.

I don't know if anyone has wrote this yet but DMC3 was the only game to get a Boss Rush correct. You need to create a connecting line into a circle on a pillar with all the bosses as gems on it, the harder the boss the less you had to defeat, and since you are powered up since the last time you fought them (first play-through) you can utilize techniques you never had back then and if you defeat all of them you get a piece of blue gem (needed to increase your health bar). If another game has done a forced Boss Rush correctly I haven't found it. Speaking of DMC, number 4's Dice levels as Nero, dishonourable mention \ Number 11.

Was that Bowser's foot at 6:14?

Spoiler Alert: water levels

I remember the Temple of the Ocean King. I remember going through the thing so many times to get the awesome ship parts, that I got *too* good at it.

While I understand why The Temple of the Ocean King isn't that great, I still think it is far too overhated. There are far worse things that Zelda has done over the years (*cough*LOSTPILGRIMAGEFROMBREATHOFTHEWILD*cough*).

You mean to tell us you quit playing the amazing game that is Okami *_right before the final boss?_*

To be fair, with a route number like that you’re expecting hell

No one wants to fight Orochi a third time, but I don't believe anyone would be impatient enough to quit the game because of it. That's just ridiculous.

Finally, someone who hates Temple of the Ocean King as much as I do. Also: - City in the Sky & Sols in Twilight Princess (For the former, I had to backtrack through the bulk of this godforsaken place twice because I missed the switch to open the boss room, and this switch is in a very early part of the temple. For the latter, playing glowy-ball keep away with Zant's hands TWICE frustrated me to the point where I stopped playing the game entirely. No awesome final bosses for me :( ) - Test of Fear in Starfox Adventures (This fiddly exercise in actively attempting to break my thumbstick has aggravated me to the point of I'm planning on making saves immediately before and after this bit so I'll never have to deal with them again) -The board game bits in Devil May Cry 4 (Yeah, you can get cool stuff, but it's 100% luck based, makes you fight bosses again, and is overall lazy design. And, like everything else in this game you do this bit twice.) -The stupid minigames in Naruto: The Broken Bond (which you have to get a certain score on 3 of them just to continue the damned game, Snake Smash is the worst of the lot) -Racing sections in Sonic Adventure 2 (What Sonic Drift 3 might have looked like) -Big's sections in Sonic Adventure (so much for speed :/) -Volleyball bit in Castle Crashers (other than multiplayer prep, what does this add exactly? At least you can spam Y magic as Orange Knight to cheese your way through) -Craggy Chapter and the hamster wheel/treadmill bits in Super Paper Mario (the definition of annoyance)

I would buy metal gear stairways as much as kijima develops it

On the plus side of the Pachinko machine level, it gave us one of the best anger explosions on Game Grumps.

Hey joshscorcher, It's been a while since you made videos like this. Glad you're still doing it. Anyway, *THE* WORST level I unfortunately had to go through appears in the game called Super Mario Bros U, known as W9-8, AKA, "Pendulum Castle!" It is a place literally full of spiky ball and chains, Dry Beetles, and those little yellow platforms that turn red and fall if you stand on them long enough (you know what I'm talking about right?). It's hard enough to try and get the three stars in that area without losing any certain flight abilities, but just simply going through the *ENTIRE* level and die so many times, even when you're *this* close to finishing the level until you are all out of your *99* lives was *COMPLETELY* enough to make me cry! And I *STILL* haven't completed it yet! This probably should have been on your list. Specifically Number 1. Or at least one of your Honorable Mentions if you have any.

Don't hate me for this Josh but to be honest I kinda enjoyed Atlantica. Call it a guilty pleasure if you want. I liked the rhythm segments and honestly the songs didn't bother me too much. Perhaps I'm tone deaf or something

I really liked the temple of the ocean king!! I remember really enjoying getting slightly further in each time, finding all the shortcuts your new items would open up for you until eventually I could reach the end without having spent a single second on the time limit! Being able to run through killing all the phantoms at the end was great! I thought that not only was it a success as a stealth temple but actually one of the most fun puzzles in the entire series!

Holy shit he's brought another countdown. Every time you push out a new countdown it gives me a very nostalgic feeling, remembering back to your old countdowns, collaborations with Chewie and the Autarch. There's this critical yet, goofy charm you bring to your videos that keeps your videos fresh. Also I bet I know where you got your Mario Sunshine clips from, a certain Mister Vinny Vinesnauce? :^) Great work as always.

The fact that you get the materials needed for the Ultima Weapon (an Oricalchum +), the final Blizzard upgrade, two Puzzle Pieces, and a new Keyblade (which isn't that good unless you use Blizzard a lot) is actually a pretty big sin in my eyes because they literally could've used any other level for these upgrades. Or. You know. Make is a combat stage with much better combat and water controls than KH1's. Just a thought.

I really don't get why people hate hourglass so much. I've played through the game multiple times and I didn't care one bit for the Temple of the Ocean King. Maybe its cause I'm a 90s kid and I'm already used to difficulty in games so this is just the norm...meh.

I really liked labyrinth zone, and found it a lot easier than marble zone. The Sonic level that really rubbed me the wrong way was EggmanLand on Sonic Unleashed. Also had a lot of fun with route 666.

As soon as the Sonic drowning music hit, I was like, *_"N O P E"_* as the flashbacks to watching my brother play it, and going into panic mode whenever the music hit, all came rushing back to me! 😖

Maybe i'm in the minority, but i actually liked the boss rush in Okami. It made me feel powerful because by the time i got to that point i was so level uped from exploring and finding secrets that i breezed through the bosses like nothing and it felt satisfying (until after doing a new game plus i found the demon gate where you fight those 9 dogs again. Damn were they pretty damn difficult).

Ever tried good levels in bad games? As in bad games that have one genuinely good level?

Think you missed a fine opportunity to use a certain cutscene from the Lego Sonic stuff. Him effectively *having a PTSD moment when Labyrinth Zone is mentioned*. Complete with drowning theme playing

5:28-before you started talking about this level a geico ad appeared

now i can appreciate the problems with the temple of the ocean king, adding variety to the puzzles or improving on the mechanics of it could have gone places. But i must say, it was narratively a good instrument and did it's job as well as it could with what was given. one thing would be that the sand is charged with sunlight, running out the deeper you go exposed to the curse. and it was actually kind of clear that you would repeatedly return to this place in order to get to the bottom of the entire conflict, not least of all because you clearly saw the doors and marked on your ocean map the locations of the keys. the entire overworld was built around letting you get as deep into the temple as possible to rip out the problem at the root and personally i found that to be more motivating than scrubbing up all the scattered problems around the world. kinda like breath of the wild: there's the corrupted castle, you'll be working the whole game to get in there and kick the big bad in the behind, but if you try to do that now you're dead. I guess it's a matter of taste but i found it a good focal point to say: "there's the problem, you need to do some stuff elsewhere before we dig deeper here, good luck."

One "level" I really don't like coming from a amazing game... is Blight Town from DS1

Why do you dislike Okami? It is an awesome game, with some of the best music and art style I've seen in a game.

I do love the little skit with Doc and you. XD Also from seeing which way you had been looking, it was pretty silly that it was kind of interpret that he was looking away from you the whole therapy. XP

I'm glad that SOMEONE did this type of list. And I'm glad that it was someone like you, Josh. You're the most unbiased countdown maker I know.

wait, didn't Josh say before that he'd never play Bayonetta because of her heavily sexualized design? Josh change his mind for the sake of good gameplay?

Everyone rips on Sonic Team for the horror that was Sonic Boom, but they didn't actually make it. All the hype about it was that it was made by Big Red Button. You know, the ex-Naughty Dog devs?

The explosion at the end was a logic bomb.

I'm expecting hate... I love the water temples in Legend of Zelda. Actually my favorite temples and areas in any Zelda game is the Water areas.

My number one would definitely be Aegis Cave from Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Explorers, just.....why? Anyone who played the game knows the pain...

Well, there IS a bit of a problem... I didn't actually MIND Gloomy Galleon that much. I got hyper-used to the controls, and I can remember Pufftoss's design to the very detail! Orange, round, spiky, red eyes...

Wonderfully done video, but if I were to offer one bit of criticism, it would be the audio balancing. I turn the volume up in order to hear your talking bits, but during the transitions between the numbers, the music gets suddenly loud and hurts my ears. Other than that, I found this video to be highly enjoyable. Well done.

The Haunted House in Conker’s Bad Fur Day. Throughout the game if you screw up in the middle of a mission, you get put right where you left off as opposed to the beginning of the mission. But in that level, if you have only 1 key left and you die, you have to find ALL the keys again! That is such backwards ass bullshit! Did other programmers chime in while the others were on their lunch break?! Oh and the chocolate...the chocolate is incredibly scarce in that level which is stupid considering you find the chocolate in every corner and every pathway in each level. So there’s like 98% no room to fuck up!

10: Am I the only one that doesn't hate that level? I like how I don't have to worry about drowning while swimming. 1: Wow I really must be the only one that doesn't hate this one. I always got excited about what to expect each visit since I kept going deeper and deeper into an abyss like temple.

11:00 The "BOSS RUSH" is what he puts on the list from the game Okami. . . *and not the "Block Monsters" 'thwomp' enemies? aka the 'living walls.'* (esp if you lack a means of making them fair) Ok. . . sure.

Whenever I played the Atlantis level in KH2, I just muted the TV

Well, to be fair, Josh, Phantom Hourglass did address the whole “why not just turn it over again?” thing, right after you first obtain it. Linebeck questions why the Hourglass runs out of power and asks why they can’t just flip it over again. Oshus then explains that the Sands of Hours need to absorb sunlight in order to gain their power. Once that power is used up, the only way to get it back is to expose the Hourglass to the sunshine again. A.K.A You have to leave, wait for a little while and then go back in, losing your progress inside the Temple of the Ocean King and forcing you to start over.

"Which levels tainted the games you loved?" Let's see: Half the night stages (Sonic Unleashed) The World of the Twins and the World of the Heart (Karmaflow) Lizard Act 3, Carlyle Act 3, and Order of the Dragon Tails Act 3 (Spiderman 3 PC) The Upper Cathedral Ward (Bloodborne) Atlantica (Kingdom Hearts 1-2) Costlemark Tower (Final Fantasy XV) Pretty much every stage in Crash 1 HD outside the tutorial levels The Lich Yard (Shovel Knight: Plague of Shadows) The Battle of Beruna (The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe PC) The Hunt for the Professor (Fable 1) The part in Octavia's Anthem where you have to charge up an Orokin Tower...alone...against the Sentients...who were never designed to be fought solo (Warframe)

reactions: 10: At least there isn't a breath meter. That looks like it would be unbearable. 9: Meh, Labyrinth Zone ain't got nothin' on scrap brain act 3. AKA the level that randomly decides to be Labyrinth zone again. But now, since it's the penultimate level, the jacked the difficulty up to near impossible. 8: *shrugs* no comment. 7: That moment when you compare the level to Yiazmat. 'nuff said. 6: Been a while since I heard someone bash that level. Which is not a good thing. It looks like it needs some more bashing. 5: Isn't that kinda cheating? You don't like that game right? 4: can't comment on that. Never made it passed that robot thing on that bridge. Yes, I am THAT bad at the game. 3: Not surprised this is on here. 2: Ditto 1: Thank you! Not only is this underrated game getting some recognition, it's having one of it's worst flaws brought up and pounded upon! Two things this game REALLY needs!

For me, while I love both Mario Galaxy games, there's one thing that I wasn't fond of from the 1st game. Timed Purple Coin Missions I give Galaxy 2 credit for one thing it's that they fixed the problem Galaxy 1 had. In the case of SMG1, "Oh! You collected the Purple Coins you needed to get? How about we see how fast you can get it!"

Thank you Josh for being the only person to still do a different transition screen for the number 1 spot

+joshscorcher I disagree about #1 as there are shortcuts you open with every visit and it take strong advantage of the note taking mechanic for the in-game map, no no no you haven't experienced true hell in Zelda until you've played Oricale of Ages Jabu Jabu's Belly a 2D top down water level with 3D mechanics and takes away one of your item slots just so you can swim -_- also it has ear bleeding music and 3 massive floors and you have to manipulate the water level but in harder to reach locations than the water temple ever had!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The temple of the Ocean King never gave me a headache this level did!!!!!!!!!!

13:44 Obviously Josh has never played Shadow of Destiny.

As much as I dislike the Temple of the Ocean King, they did give an excuse why you couldn't just turn over the hourglass again. It's because the sands would lose their power inside the temple and can only be restored with the power of sunlight. It's a weak excuse and a tedious mechanic, but at least they gave one. I had many a time where I wanted to smash my DS because I ran out of time in that place and died.

As much as I love Earthbound, I always dread the part of the game between the third and fourth sanctuaries. A tricky maze with five mini-bosses and countless swarms of enemies, the surprisingly brutal enemies in the Fourside Department Store, and after Moonside (which I thought was pretty creative and enjoyable), a tedious game of "get this item for this monkey". Since Earthbound is pretty stingy when it comes to your inventory size, it's no picnic. Considering that the fourth, fifth and sixth sanctuaries are all cleared rather quickly after the parts mentioned above, it always feels like the game just suddenly slowed to a crawl.

#GiveJokerHisMoneyBack

Chapter 2-3 from Super Paper Mario. I always look up the code for the safe at the end so I don't have to play through the incredibly repetitive and boring rubee grinding minigames to beat it. Who thought this was a good idea?! Grunty Industries from Banjo Tooie. An incredibly elaborate and overly complicated layout which makes it frustrating to navigate, the infuriating clinker's cavern section, an overly convoluted way to even get into the level, this level represents collectathon gameplay done wrong. Never played Yooka Laylee yet, though I've heard it's not much better, I'll have to see for myself.

Both nightmare levels from Max Payne: While the levels are great for delving deep into Max’s psychosis, as well as providing some of the best fourth wall jokes in gaming. “You’re in a computer game Max.” The problem is the gameplay aspect of it as you’re walking a trail of blood in a dark void, but said trail is like walking on a tightrope, and these sequences go on for too long, and you can’t afford to fall off…at all or else you have to start from the beginning. Plus, each of them is like a maze! So not only do you have to watch your step on these incredibly narrow paths, you have to make sure you’re going the right way which just adds the frustration to these levels! Not to mention, in the second nightmare sequence, if you fall, you get to hear Max imitate Tom from Tom and Jerry. Totally not ear grading at all.

I know I'm in the minority here but I thought the Temple of the Ocean King was brilliantly designed. Yes, you visit it multiple times. But EVERY visit is completely different. Each visit, you have new items that will either allow you to do puzzles easier and quicker, sometimes skip them entirely, or even skip entire floors. It never feels repetitive. In fact, at the end of the game, it's completely possible to finish the entire dungeon with the hourglass still at max time, by skipping as much as possible and getting the recovery pots. Hell, to make it even easier, you can just draw the optimal path on the map.

Really? Sonic Team's rational design decision, puts up picture of boom. A game that, in terms of creative input, Sega legitimately had no part in. Greaaaat example josh. Also, if you followed the development, Sonic Boom is Nintendo's fault. Plain and simple. I say that, specifically because the developers thought they were working with something nice like an Xbox One or PS4. They didn't find out months until the game was scheduled to release that the hardware of the wii u is actually shit, and due to that distinct lack of knowledge they had a few months to port what was an xbox one title. TL;DR with sonic boom, Sonic Boom is a fantastic Xbox One title and all we got to see was the shitty port to the Wii U

The Ark of Yamato never bugged me, and in any case the most epic cutscene in all of gaming makes up for any shortcomings in that level (seriously, I've played through the game four times and it still makes me cry like a baby). The only level I find annoying in Okami are the Tobi races. Seriously, screw that piece of paper.

Good list Josh but try working on those audio levels a bit more in the future. The transitions are ridiculously loud compared to your commentary.

"Geyser Grotto" (Bravely Second) "Funky Kong" (Super Smash Bros Ultimate) "Great Tiger" (Punch-Out!!!) "Ruins" (Undertale) "Victory Road" (most Pokemon games) "Jabu-Jabu's Belly" (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)

I loved The Great Maze from SSBB. It was the best part of the entire campaign for me.

3:37-I call that an insane Difficulty Curve!

Man o man it's been forever since I watched this channel. I think the collect the biggest bear/cow levels on Katamari Damacy could work well on here.

Lot more puns than usual. Silver is rubbing off on you.

This video gave me war flashbacks to the Fade level in Dragon Age: Origins. Never had I wanted to be playing on PC more.

"But fo those of you who have played this game..." Me: *smacks phone across the room* WE DON’T TALK ABOUT THAT

I still to this day have a love/hate relationship towards Atlantica. I liked it because I grew up in the time period of The Little Mermaid, and the songs were pretty Nostalgic. But I hated it, because of the fact that when I played the "Under The Sea" Portion I'd make a new save every level I completed. My mom heard Under The Sea during my playthrough, and asked what game it was. After I told her, every single time I'd put it in my PS2 she would beg me to Play Under The Sea, AGAIN. Eventually I did the smart thing and "Accidently" saved over that particular save point, but not after playing the damn level over 10+ times.

I think Atlantica surprised absolutely no one considering it was the thumbnail. In my opinion it's.....tolerable if you just get it over with as quickly as possible and just skip the cutscenes. I think if that world wasn't required to get an Orichalcum+ no one would visit it