Top Ten Thematic Euro Board Games w/ Paul Grogan
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3 жыл бұрынThe Top Ten Thematic Euro Games - can you think of a better topic?? And Paul Grogan with me?!
Tonight Paul Grogan joins me to discuss our Top 10 Euro Games that actually have a solid theme!! Two British blokes discussing board games, what more do you want?
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Timestamps
00:00 - Introduction and Hello to Gaming Rules aka Paul Grogan
05:22 - Defining a Euro and a Thematic Game
15:15 - Paul's Honorable Mention
21:12 - Paul's #10
25:49 - Luke's #10
29:38 - Paul's #9
34:41 - Luke's #9
29:38 - Paul's #8
44:50 - Luke's #8
50:42 - Paul's #7
57:18 - Luke's #7
01:04:46 - Paul's #6
01:13:16 - Luke's #6
01:16:50 - Paul's #5
01:21:00 - Luke's #5
01:27:32 - Paul's #4
01:36:16 - Luke's #4
01:42:39 - Paul's #3
01:51:56 - Luke's #3
02:01:00 - Paul's #2
02:09:00 - Luke's #2
02:13:12 - Paul's #1
02:21:06 - Luke's #1
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@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for those who watched and to those who are watching or listening to it now. This was such a fun stream, one of the best I've ever been on. A great topic and great games also. And yes I agree, I need an outro for the end of the stream - I'll get working on that!! :P
@cwb95k 3 жыл бұрын
Paul is one of my favorite personalities in the game industry. I love reading rulebooks and my family thinks I'm crazy to get such joy from sitting down to read a new rulebook for a big heavy game. Thanks for this recording and discussion!
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more! This stream was long overdue!
@typerk2388 3 жыл бұрын
Great video Luke. Your content and the topics you've been covering lately have been excellent. You've become one of my main stops for board game content. Thanks.
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that so much!! Please feel free to share the content when you can and I hope you enjoy what's in store the next month!
@christianbank393 3 жыл бұрын
You two have great chemistry together, the time just flew by!
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
It felt like that on the stream, this was long overdue to be done. I hope we can do much more together in the future.
@ExBeeOne 3 жыл бұрын
I really like how in-depth this top 10 was. I personally don't play the heavier euros and thou I know of most of these games (from watching the Dice Tower) I haven't played any of them. This was very interesting and informative. Thank you.
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed!
@charlesvalentine9638 3 жыл бұрын
This Christmas, a iist of 12 non-thematic Euros, The 12 Beige of Christmas.
@BillyIndiana 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! I watched a little every night this week & finished this morning (the gift that keeps on giving😉) I've only played Viticulture, Mage Knight & Terraforming Mars from this video. I've played the Cave vs. Cave version of Caverna but not the original. I definitely agree with Viticulture & TM. I love Mage Knight, but I seldom could recount the story after playing, I'm just trying to survive. I want to play Anachrony, Agricola & Flamme Rouge eventually.
@jamescartwright1150 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent stuff, didn't know about this channel, subscribed! 🙂 Looking forward to the spirit island stream.
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank you for subbing! Can't wait myself, this stream was long overdue!
@cwb95k 3 жыл бұрын
Reading Eurogames by Stewart Woods right now and digesting the history and evolution of the Eurogames phenomenon. Very interesting.
@bigaleka92 3 жыл бұрын
Luke that was one of your best collaboration videos so far. You have worked with some great creators, today was 👌. Knowing that Paul lives down the road as well is so cool!! I was so disappointed when it was cancelled initially as I was desperate to see Paul bring up Mage Knight 😂😂😂. You just talked about some heavy heavy games it was brilliant. Paul’s number one was a surprise but a great pic, your number one Luke wasn’t a surprise at all!! Thanks for the entertainment. FYI - My top three thematic Euros are Viticulture, Mage Knight and Robinson Crusoe. In my view theme doesn’t come stronger than RC. Cheers 🍻
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! This stream was so much fun to do, long overdue. I've got a very relaxed, extroverted style and Paul is a little more reserved and knowledgeable and can explain complex ideas really well. I felt that the two distinct styles gelled together nicely. I hope we get to do much more in the future!
@adelfaidah3224 2 жыл бұрын
I was silly happy when Luke revealed his no.1 to be spirit island despite his bluffing when paul brought it up. That game definitely deserves that spot
@joseg.6187 3 жыл бұрын
This was great fun. Thank you both!
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
Our pleasure!
@TabletopRose 3 жыл бұрын
Love this!!! Thanks, Paul and Luke!! :)
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
Our pleasure! This was a great fun list to do!
@jesseirwin2607 Жыл бұрын
I love this list so much!
@victorybhg 3 жыл бұрын
Good Job Luke, Paul, you guys are great, the discussion was great.. I dare say better than the movies
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
Ha ha thanks V! This was a long time coming and totally worth it!
@c7hu1hu66 3 жыл бұрын
This is the best top ten list this channel has had. Very interesting conversation, really enjoyed every second of it. Edit: Little surprised Vindication is not on your list Luke.
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks BB! Vindication is great, but in no way is it really a thematic game. I inject a lot of the theme in there because of the sandbox nature of it, but it's manipulating cubes at the end of the day.
@c7hu1hu66 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheBrokenMeeple Yes, I guess you are right about that, the mechanics does not make a lot of sense thematically. But for a euro it is a theme I prefer 🤓
@scyldscefing3913 3 жыл бұрын
It was a marathon video, but worth the view. Thanks to you both.
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you survived it all!
@crepusculo1027 3 жыл бұрын
Holy cow, Paul, you have a degree in astrophysics?! :-O respect!
@dancondonjones 3 жыл бұрын
I knew Paul would pick Flamme Rouge as I’ve heard him talk about it before. And I agree. It’s the most thematic game I know Euro or otherwise.
@BoardInTheHouseBGAplayer 2 жыл бұрын
Wow! I totally agree! People value not getting negative points over taking positive points, especially when they are new at games 26:30
@jwomlo 2 жыл бұрын
Loved this top10. At almost 3 hours I was interested in the discussion the entire video. My top 3 (currently) is a very weird mix of Spirit island, Chronicles of crime and Twilight Imperium 4. Very different mechanics but loveable in theme and game experience.
@TheBrokenMeeple 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah we went on for a bit, but it's still the most popular collaboration I've done. Obviously Paul's influence!
@TheLukealanberry 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent collaboration and video guys! 👌
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! This was long overdue!
@headovmetal 3 жыл бұрын
What a great collaboration! I hope you get to chat more again. My top picks would be Anachrony and Excavation Earth.
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
I hope so too, we have a spirit island game planned already, but I would love for us to do more lists.
@ilqrd.6608 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks guys
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
Our pleasure!
@ospreymarketing4411 3 жыл бұрын
Love this cross over! Great countdown guys. What's next?
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure yet, Paul is welcome on the show for a list any time, but we are planning the Spirit Island playthrough as we said, though it looks I'll be the one doing the teaching! :P
@JJ_TheGreat 2 жыл бұрын
32:18 Ooh… Wow! I never knew (understood, actually) what JIT - Just In Time - was all about… Until you gave that example! And now I GET IT!!! Order something when you need it - so that it will come in and it won’t sit in inventory… Just In Time… Thank you, Paul! :-)
@TheBrokenMeeple 2 жыл бұрын
The More You Know.......do do do doooo...ding.
@andrewkeane9077 3 жыл бұрын
I concur with Obsession. Im not an Austin fan, and never seen Downton Abby. Still a great game and certainly thematic.
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
Despite its theme I do want to try it when I see it!
@BoardInTheHouseBGAplayer 2 жыл бұрын
Brass is a 2 out of 10 for me. Good job knowing a lot about a game you don't really like. I admire your game knowledge!
@TheBrokenMeeple 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that!
@cwb95k 3 жыл бұрын
Robinson Crusoe is one of the BEST thematic games imo. I generally am not a huge fan of lots of randomness but Robinson does perhaps the best job of any game out there incorporating it.
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed!! No 3 :D
@paulallison6418 3 жыл бұрын
This is a great stream, I will go as far to say superb! Brass is kinda thematic, no real problems there but I didn't feel it was a great game - I have only played Lancashire - so it wouldn't feature in my top 10. Terraforming Mars is fantastic, so immersive to me, this is a 9/10 for me. I only ever play it 2-player but we can throw all the expansions in and it takes ages but we love it! Flamme Rouge? never played this, I wonder where it would come in Paul's top 100? Spirit Island....I need to get this.
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the words! I think you sided with Paul more than me there! :P
@pincao 3 жыл бұрын
Greats picks. 8 of Paul’s would have been on my list. I would have had Automobile and Fresco on my list.
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
Fresco thematic....................maybe, too long to remember, but I remember it being mostly dry.
@jackrutter9797 3 жыл бұрын
Great vid, Paul's #8 chapter link time stamp goes to his #9
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
Noted! Thanks!
@mbalazs3544 2 жыл бұрын
2:15:27 cycling theme?:D give me a "Break" get it break. anyway thx for this list :D I cant belive theme of cycling it top loool but its definitly fells personal as list lool
@citizen_koehn 2 жыл бұрын
It's not among my favorites, but Photosynthesis has got to be the most thematic game I've ever played. Sun rotation, shadows, seeds drop distance is based on how tall the trees are, etc. Pretty impressive design!
@TheBrokenMeeple 2 жыл бұрын
For what is basically an abstract, the theme is done well.
@tabletopcloset8992 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Have either of you played Archipelago? That's definitely up there on theme for me.
@TheBrokenMeeple 2 жыл бұрын
Yes I have a couple times - not a bad game, just a bit wrought with rules.
@kriba6755 3 жыл бұрын
Totally understand the choice for flamme rouge. ... But flamme rouge or not. The best euros for me always had been the ones with few and sharp ruleset, but deep gameplay and strategy. One of these is also power grid. Lot of people state its fiddly and has lots of rules. Which I never understand. Yes there are management steps which have to be taken care of one person. And different payer setups. But the core playing rules are actually pretty simple. 1. Auction a plant 2. Buy resources 3. Buy cities 4. Use resources and make money + turn order structure, always last to first except for auction. Always loved the pace of the game that power grid establish, a little bit like flamme rouge. You have to somehow manage to stay with the Pack and find the right opportunity for your break away . .... Anyways. Good video from you guys
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
Power Grid is more fiddly because of the insane amount of math in it - AP is insane with people constantly having to recalculate to the penny what they need in a round. But I hate the game for other reasons! :P
@MrPostm 3 жыл бұрын
I'm totally with Paul regarding Mage Knight. A euro disguised as ameritrash.
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
I don't deny it's a Euro..........just that it ain't good! :P
@richardshay2356 3 жыл бұрын
Kanban: You are a junior manager. As a newbie, you would be sent from department to department and stressed out in every one. So, all too thematic.
@jdtyler7 3 жыл бұрын
I was surprised you thought you would need to defend your #7. Pursuit of Happiness is #1 in my mind.
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
Well you know..... The Internet 🤣
@johnathanrhoades7751 2 жыл бұрын
Need to get Argent played...and Millennium Blades. I've got them both, but need a third player... Also, Love love love Mage Knight 😄
@TheBrokenMeeple 2 жыл бұрын
Ha ha if you ever meet my friends Matt/Gemma at a UK convention, I guarantee you'll get both of those played!
@andresvpb4767 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Just subscribed 👍 But, why not Trickerion? Would be my number one
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
We mentioned this just before my #1. It has a great setting and does have a decent thematic feel BUT the tricks and the performances mechanics are pretty abstract. Plus I already had A Mindclash game.
@andresvpb4767 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheBrokenMeeple I don't feel it so abstract. I'm a stage artist and I can understand how performance cards works. The only point here, as i see it, is that performed tricks takes the bonus from the workers location instead of the day that each trick is performed... I guess it's due to game balance mathematics 🤷🏽♂️ Anyways, great video 👍
@th3cha1rmak3r 3 жыл бұрын
John Company and An Infamous Traffic would fit the thematic euro and are brilliant games.
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
I'll have to look up the second one, that's new on me.
@johnpanagos5835 3 жыл бұрын
Scythe, underwater cities, Lost Ruins of Arnak, Blood Rage, Robinson Crusoe, Mage Knight
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
As much as some of those are great games, I don't get much theme out of Scythe other than the setting and in what way is Underwater Cities remotely thematic?
@inz55 3 жыл бұрын
Would mention a lesser known game, that has it's flaws (rules definitely need a few tweaks) but for me is highly thematic and I love it - Thrash'n'Roll.
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
I remember that one, it was thematic, but mechanically as you say, it had a bunch of flaws.
@JJ_TheGreat 2 жыл бұрын
1:27 Now you just need Tom Heath - and then you will have the trinity of Brits in the board game space! :-)
@TheBrokenMeeple 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe one day!
@UmouMais 3 жыл бұрын
Mage knight 😍😍😍 best game of all time for me! Love it to bits 😍😍😍
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
Ha ha, well you have Paul on your side at least! :P
@UmouMais 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheBrokenMeeple but, i should say, when I saw that spirit island is your top 1, maannn, that was neat! Both games have a special place in my heart!
@JJ_TheGreat 2 жыл бұрын
29:14 Question: Would you consider Dwellings of Eldervale to be a Euro? It has worker placement, resource management, area majority and card tableau (engine building) - which are all Euroey mechanics to me… But it also has dice-based combat - in which you are rolling the dice… Therefore, that is why I describe it as a “thematic Euro”, which is also the verbiage which you used in this video!
@TheBrokenMeeple 2 жыл бұрын
I think I'm leaning more towards Euro.
@crepusculo1027 3 жыл бұрын
Great list folks! I honestly don't think that these card-driven games (e.g. terraforming mars) qualify as euros, even if they have some elements of it (e.g. resource conversions). Still great picks, thanks for this :-)
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
You're welcome!!-
@cwb95k 3 жыл бұрын
I have Obsession and would argue it is a thematic game. I haven't found the Upstairs Downstairs but we love the base game. I guess 3 crossovers.
@cwb95k 3 жыл бұрын
I think it's funny Paul knocks Agricola because he can't get nooky when he wants....😂
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
Well surely that would grate anyone! :P
@leecorby5662 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, Lookup Games did that with Agricola? That's really great
@leecorby5662 2 жыл бұрын
Paul, I'm with you - I love Kanban and I do like the theme, but there are way more euro games out there that make me feel like I'm doing what the theme says I should be doing. It's somewhat abstracted. Although my experiences with the designer.. best not discussed!
@leecorby5662 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my, I can't believe that Anachrony was not at the top of your list though Paul, let alone almost not on there! For me that's probably my #1 thematic euro, although Black Angel is up there for me too
@TheBrokenMeeple 2 жыл бұрын
Kanban EV puts me in that theme so well! Only played Black Angel one but that didn't win me over.
@mbalazs3544 2 жыл бұрын
2:24:02 Luke and that is a winner I can get behinned its also my top faw euro game :D glad it won my other 2 favorite games are Eldrich horror and BigBook of madnes
@TheBrokenMeeple 2 жыл бұрын
So after all this, we're saying my list was the best?! :P
@Negowa2 2 жыл бұрын
I'm dying to find a great mid weight thematic euro that isn't trading in the Med. All the best ones seem too heavy for us.
@BoardInTheHouseBGAplayer 2 жыл бұрын
Pursuit of Happiness is for sure the most thematic Eurogame invented. It simulates life effectively which is an impossible task but PoH does it so well!
@TheBrokenMeeple 2 жыл бұрын
Needs more love from everyone!
@mbalazs3544 2 жыл бұрын
26:57 not everyone i gathered my cards by clever treading and making good deals, most of the time
@ColonelKurtz Жыл бұрын
In the description, Paul's #8 should be 40:28
@Naledgeizpwr 3 жыл бұрын
For a cycling game, I would have chosen Um Reifenbreite over Flamme Rouge. The main reason being that Um Reifenbreite actually has rules for allowing you to cheat. A rider can grab onto “the chase car” which makes their rolls better, but every time you do so, a card in drawn in secret to see if you were photographed cheating. At the end of the game you have to draw a certain amount of cards from the photo deck to see if you get disqualified. This is as thematic as it gets. I like to house rule that it is taking performance enhancing drugs, and seeing if you pass the drug test. But in the 70s when this game was designed holding onto a car may have been a bigger issue than PEDs.
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
Never played that one, but I like checking out older games so if I see it and someone is offering!
@toottoot3344 3 жыл бұрын
If Agricola is less thematic because only one player can take the breeding action in no way is Terraforming Mars thematic. The card play is far less thematic than in Agricola, it is all about the effect. You can also win with doing no Terraforming. The most thematic thing is that you could probably Terraform Mars in the same time as the game length takes…
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
That is true, terraforming isn't necessary. Well it wasn't my pick! :P
@djtarquin 8 ай бұрын
Hegemony is an amazing thematic game.
@TheBrokenMeeple 8 ай бұрын
Totally agree!!
@ColonelKurtz Жыл бұрын
As much as Paul made it a point to include games that may not feature classic Euro mechanics or realistic themes or settings, I would have thought he would have included a game like Blood Rage or Scythe- which are (mostly) Euros with minis. I suppose you could omit Blood Rage since it's more of a hybrid since there is direct interaction with card combat, but why not Scythe?
@TheBrokenMeeple Жыл бұрын
I expected Scythe to appear but not Blood Rage for Paul.
@cwb95k 3 жыл бұрын
Paul mentioned (toward the beginning) or rather hinted at something changing a few weeks ago? Like a terminology around the thematic definition? I was curious about that and what he might have been referencing. Sorry for the late question/comments, having to watch this piece meal due to...responsibility and all.
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
If it's what I'm thinking of, I think he's referring to the change in public perception as to what is considered "thematic" by definition.
@GamingRulesVideos 3 жыл бұрын
My original definition of "thematic" was purely down to mechanical integration rather than the game representing the actual high-level thing.
@cwb95k 3 жыл бұрын
@@GamingRulesVideos I found your definition to be very helpful. I played Tidal Blades some weeks ago and might have referred to it as thematic (technically I thought "Ameritrash" but didn't say it out loud) but reflecting after this watch I wouldn't consider the actions in the game thematic by the same definition. At least not to the degree of those posited in the video. Thanks for sharing 😎
@bullfrog417 3 жыл бұрын
Ugh, I keep eyeing Lacerda games and stepping away, but the way the two of you talk about Kanban. Probably good the price is $100+ or I would've grabbed it immediately after this video.
@ClockworkWyrm 2 жыл бұрын
The theme for Kanban EV put me off but after watching a few play throughs it looks like a fun game. However like you the price is prohibitive, it's just too expensive for what it is imho.
@zirkvandenberg3304 2 жыл бұрын
Race game? Corne Moorsel's Powerboats/Powerships (same game, one on water, one in space).
@TheBrokenMeeple 2 жыл бұрын
Wanted to try that one.
@jedisith3864 Жыл бұрын
Yeah those magic cards weren't exactly throwing money away. My weekly allowance from 8-13 was turned to cards but in 2020 I sold six for a giant Lego set, 2 deluxe boardgame editions and a gaming table. Turns out gaeas cradle wasn't house banned for everyone lol
@TheBrokenMeeple Жыл бұрын
Dang, nice going! :D
@mbalazs3544 2 жыл бұрын
2:08:31 Dungeon keeper is one of the best games there is
@chuckm1961 3 жыл бұрын
I love thematic euros. I played flamme rouge once and sold it. I was bored to death.
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't sell it to everyone I admit, and I wouldn't put it as #1 certainly, but I enjoy the game.
@tylerbrown9797 3 жыл бұрын
Spirit Island is such a freakin good game, I am convinced I will play my copy off and on for the rest of my life. Even if the designer/designers walked away right now and never did another expansion (I think they have at least one maybe two, they were collecting opinions/perspectives from indigenous peoples about doing a dahan expansion) fans would just start making unofficial expansions. Its that good of a game and that rich of a system.
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
Hear hear!!!
@pauldicocco8850 2 жыл бұрын
I realllllyy hated Spirit Island, and I'm so glad I sold it off. Best decision I EVER made. I couldn't stand the extremely paralyzing brain-burniness of it. It just overcomplicates everything needlessly and unnecessarily. And this is coming from a heavy Euro gamer. Heavy Euros and Spirit Island have two totally different brain-burn levels, and the one that Spirit Island gives off is gross.
@tylerbrown9797 2 жыл бұрын
@@pauldicocco8850 sounds like the game was just too heavy for ya bro :P :P :P Nah, if you think its too brain burny for your taste you can easily adjust the difficulty in the game quite significantly and the manual actually gives a points rating system for how different tweaks will affect difficulty. It is accurate enough that when people discuss on forums about plays they had they frequently share the difficulty number they were playing at to give context. Again, fine not to like it but I just don't think calling it brain burny for no reason is really disengenous. Turn the difficulty down and it really isn't a hard game, and I don't say that as a humble brag. I am pretty mediocre at board games and am intimately familiar with losing and I don't think spirit island is hard at an easy difficulty and with events from branch and claw there is a comfortable uncertainty that encourages you to puzzle things out only so far. Yes... when you first play it feels IMPOSSIBLE and like you can't win but that is just the best way to tune co-op games. There is no AI in spirit island, it is just simple card based clockwork so if the whole game isn't pulled taught by an initial feeling of being overwhelmed than a lot of the steam tends to go out of the experience. Competitive games write their own stories with swings in players' fortunes but co-op games need a more imposed story arc and spirit island is fantastic at making you all of a sudden become a powerful badass spirit right at the moment you are about to get completely swamped (or should I say... deswamped).
@JJ_TheGreat 2 жыл бұрын
1:05:29 What? I would have said The Gallerist!
@Poiuytrew.Q 3 жыл бұрын
Thematic game - how it’s done in real life. Is there a game with drywall or concrete for building materials in a board game? I’ve never lived in a house made of bricks.
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
I think my old family home was mostly brick! :P
@JJ_TheGreat 2 жыл бұрын
Paul, Then how come you gave Ares Expedition a 9 and regular Terraforming Mars an 8 on BGG?
@TheBrokenMeeple 2 жыл бұрын
He's mad! :P
@JJ_TheGreat 2 жыл бұрын
59:12 So basically it is similar to CV, then? CV could be described that way, too.
@TheBrokenMeeple 2 жыл бұрын
I suppose so, but PoS is far better.
@pnutbutrncrackers Жыл бұрын
1:56:39 -- LOL
@TheBrokenMeeple Жыл бұрын
Ha ha, had to watch again but yeah that was a funny story?!
@JJ_TheGreat 2 жыл бұрын
2:01:32 What about Dungeon Lords?
@TheBrokenMeeple 2 жыл бұрын
Ugh!! :P
@glossie6338 2 жыл бұрын
Re : Brass Birmingham - The idea that Transporting Iron around on carts is thematic is silly. Promoters of this idea seem to ignore the fact that Railways need tons and tons of Iron for the entire infrastructure. Dobbin ain't gonna do it ! - Its just a different mechanic to complexify the game. And yes just like the concept of carted iron - complexify is made up. Not a bad game though
@rachelandryan 3 жыл бұрын
#1 Food Chain Magnate
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
💩 😇 Ha ha, no, we didn't put that on!
@JJ_TheGreat 2 жыл бұрын
19:25 2? My guess is 2.
@danielmarlett1421 3 жыл бұрын
Viticulture - "Well the other vineyard planted in their fields this year so I guess I can't." Love the game but that element bothers me thematically
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
This one is more of a "feel" rather than the mechanics specifically. Honestly in hindsight I'd happily swap this with Pursuit.
@thijsschipper6406 2 жыл бұрын
It's a game about wine that cares surprisingly little about the actual process of making wine, is how I'd put it. You can't age grapes like that. The planting limit you mention. You don't typically make blush by blending red/white wine. Needing larger cellars to store said blended wines. Wineless strategies. The list goes on. I'm not asking for a simulation by any means, but this is almost a fantasy of winemaking more than a reflection of it. It's an enjoyable game but has so many disconnects from its theme that I'm not sure I'd place it anywhere near a list like this.
@Jeff_Pusch 3 жыл бұрын
Let's be clear: Luke is the reason I backed the latest Pursuit of Happiness campaign.
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
😁 Pleased to hear that, though now I hope you like it as much as I do!!
@pm71241 3 жыл бұрын
Robinson Crusoe ... one of the hardest games in existence !????
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
It's up there! :P
@pm71241 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheBrokenMeeple Ok... I'll buy that it might be one of the hardest co-operative games to win. Defining "hardest"/"weight"/"complexity" is always hard (no pun intended). Is it how hard a game is to be good at? Is it the rules or how hard it is to play correctly? ... or is it how administratively hard it is to play?
@truenorth2615 3 жыл бұрын
Flamme Rouge!?......FLAMME ROUGE!!!???? It's barely a game, let alone a Euro.....I'm a hard core Euro player and this is literally one of the least favorite games I have ever played. I would rather play Monopoly! LOL!! Luke had some unique recommendations that I had never considered. Good advice by Paul on Spirit Island.
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
I can see where Paul is coming from on Flamme, but I really enjoy it myself. Glad you enjoyed the vid though! :D
@dancondonjones 3 жыл бұрын
Too much theme to be abstract. Input randomness, no output randomness, indirect player interaction, no player elimination, the designer’s name is on the box. It might not be what you think of as a euro because it’s not a traditional cube pusher or worker placement, but it’s definitely a euro.
@parallaxsurveyingrealty2729 3 жыл бұрын
LUKE & PAUL NEXT TIME TAKE ABOUT GOOD EURO GAMES EVERY GAMERS NEED TO PLAY THAT ARE NOT THEMATIC REALLY APRECIATE THIS VID
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
Basically Top 10 Euro's With Zero Theme! Yeah that would be cool!
@parallaxsurveyingrealty2729 3 жыл бұрын
FRACTURE OF TIME
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
That's an expansion.
@barbaramazzocca4605 9 ай бұрын
Gee, Viticulture seems to be either love it or hate it game. I already knew Luke loved it, Paul's facial expression during that entire discussion reads "I hate this game". Unplayable?? Really?
@TheBrokenMeeple 9 ай бұрын
Well he likes beige stuff! :P
@dddoni1 3 жыл бұрын
Robinson as Euro? One roll can take away everything u worked for. Far in the Ameri category for me. I would put Last Will on the list, actually expected it from Paul.
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
Robinson could be debated both ways, it's definitely the ultimate potential hybrid.
@allaroundtheboard 3 жыл бұрын
Clank! is a very thematic deck builder! 😀
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
........Hmmm........I guess it is, just not the biggest fan of it.
@allaroundtheboard 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheBrokenMeeple I was just responding to the discussion about deck builders not being very thematic. Very much enjoyed this video!! Thanks to you and Paul for a great watch.
@dancondonjones 3 жыл бұрын
Flamme Rouge is mechanically a deck builder - but it plays out differently, because you remove more than you add - and the cards you add are the bad ones which you don’t want to add.
@ryanstewart6616 3 жыл бұрын
Yedo
@parallaxsurveyingrealty2729 3 жыл бұрын
vanuatu
@parallaxsurveyingrealty2729 3 жыл бұрын
barrage
@parallaxsurveyingrealty2729 3 жыл бұрын
anachrony
@pm71241 3 жыл бұрын
So ... No "Barrage" ... hmm...
@TheBrokenMeeple 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely not from me! Can't speak for Paul! :P
@andreashecht272 2 ай бұрын
As an engineer it always triggers me when people say Kanban is sooo thematic. The game is great, but it is as thematic as Wyrmspam. The only thematic game Lacerda ever put out was Vinhos, everything else are great euro games with nice themes. But they are just overproduced Stefan Feld games in a nutshell. It has nothing to do with real life car manufacturing. Exactly what Paul says, try to say a engineer for combustion engines to design the exterior design.
@TheBrokenMeeple 2 ай бұрын
I don't necessarily mean that if I took Kanban and applied it to real life I could build a car! :-) But the setting is relatable and the fundamental basics are there: design it, get the parts, build it, test it, those stages as summarised as they are, do at least make sense to the player. And cars are a familiar item to everyone as opposed to a fictional weather machine with government patents!
@andreashecht272 2 ай бұрын
@@TheBrokenMeeple I understand that. And the process is well abstracted, but poorly implemented with that worker placement mechanic, that‘s the point where it doesn‘t make sense anymore - one worker, who works for all departments. You can argue it‘s some kind of product or process manager, but still it feels way off, even more when it comes to Sandra, who is watching you. It‘s ok, games can be abstraction of life, that‘s what games should be and it‘s fine. I love almost all Lacerda games as what they are: colorful Euro games in a ocean of brown ones. What bothers me are people who are hyping Lacerda and all of his games as extremely thematic games, they are not, by far not. They are just a bit more researched euros, that‘s all. Truely thematic games for me are Ground Floor or High Frontier for example. Last one that‘s where realism almost kills the ease of play, but that‘s how life is: chaotic and hard to master 🙂
@jakubkoutny 3 жыл бұрын
31:00 hey, you are manager who controls the department you are in.. your argument does not make sence for me :)
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