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Topping D30-mod : Burson Audio V5i-D vs NJR MUSES 02

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edSuwan DiyAudiophile

edSuwan DiyAudiophile

Күн бұрын

no thread and live recording the sound from speakers.
AT2020 +Focusrite 6i6 and Audacity
Tori (Bird) - Nicolas Parent trio (TIDAL)
Burson V5i-D ; 0:10
MUSES 02 ; 6:10
i have listened of both op.amp
This is my first experience with Discrete op.amp from Burson Audio V5i-D which is in accordance with the recommendation for the DAC. for Muses op.amp I've had a lot of experience with him.
How the test results for this:
the V5i-D as in the previous video with the d50s gives off a surprising initial impression with an open sound with a natural feel to the strings, and good ambience giving a wide stage feel, generally for op.amp with the open character tends to be forward and where the 3D stage is to be shallow, the V5i-D a single sound gives a good impression for high notes and feel forward. but in busy conditions feels like it loses control which reduces detail and separation from the instrument
the MUSES 02 for this test feels so elegant with a full impression, detail and separation of musical instruments is good and full of control, with a deep feel for the 3D stage making it comfortable for long time listening.
My conclusion for this test
Burson V5i -D is nice and good with open sound and transparent and wide stage, impressive of discrete op.amp.
Muses02 provides a good 3D stage with a dark background and good separation and fuller, does not give fatigue to the ears.
and i still love with MUSES02 on my D30-mod
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download File original 96Khz 24 bit . WAV:
Burson V5i- D drive.google.c...
Muses 02 drive.google.c...

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@vermilion7777
@vermilion7777 Жыл бұрын
Just bought 4 V5i for my AE-9. Can't wait. Hope they fit.
@dankolov1839
@dankolov1839 3 жыл бұрын
Ed, thank you for this video.Most likely, I will buy MUSES 02
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile 3 жыл бұрын
Dan. The Muses 02 have good definition.
@albertri
@albertri Жыл бұрын
Muses02 is just sexy to my ears! if i compare the two Burson is an Architect while Musses02 is painter you can just feel the soul of the music like how painter pains using more artistic approach than more precise exact like an Architect . I have the Muses02 in my shopping cart for a while now this will make me pull the trigger!
@hardluck6307
@hardluck6307 Жыл бұрын
which one is your favourite? I plan to put it in a d50s topping, is there a significant change?
@andredevries4987
@andredevries4987 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Ed i like the muse more. More detail and open sound. Gr André de vries.
@RUMBLEGO1
@RUMBLEGO1 Жыл бұрын
I applaud you on the quality of this demo! I can CLEARLY hear the difference. The Burson sounds a little more forward with a taller soundstage. The sound is a little more between the speakers. The Muse is wider and a little more laid back with more accentuation on details. That being said the Muse is not analytical in anyway and sounds very natural. The Burson has a warmer tone and maybe more smearing of sound as i can not pinpoint instrument separation and stereo field as i can with the Muse. I would want to hear more tracks to definitely know but from just this i would give the nod to the Muse for my preference. Just that too....MY preference. YMMV :)
@mrnobodyz
@mrnobodyz Жыл бұрын
You have managed to get a good sound compared to most other KZfaq op amp comparisons.
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@civilcitizen3586
@civilcitizen3586 8 ай бұрын
*GREAT VIDEOS* First up for me is to thank you for sharing this information. Isn't it's awesome that your videos will live on for many years:)I've stumbled upon them and I'm excited about it. I'm settled on the Bursons. However, I'm more interested in your rig-setup that you are running to play the videos. I can hear the differences in these A/B test so clearly, even on my say-it-play-it desktop system! I see the TOPPING D-30, and the Scarlett and the TP60. I'm trying to understand how you are running and connecting all of them together. I am researching the Scarlett now. It looks to be a unit for instrument input, and with XLR inputs. The D-30: looks like you're running single pair RCA outputs. What role is the Scarlett filling in the mix for playback on these videos. I guess what I'm really getting at is: Your rig sound about as perfect to me as I care to endeavor on audio equipment. If I can get to where you are now with yours, I'm considered set!. Also, what speakers are you playing through? They are pretty crystal to my ears even out here! I hope to hear your reply. Thanks! Dwayne. (EDIT) I just looked deeper into the Scarlett; i see it's for mic recording so I don't think it will be something I will use. I'm just interested in playback of music while streaming. However, the mics were doing the work. I could hear all super clearly. Tell me if I'm wrong about not needing the Scarlett in my listening setup.... Oh!!!!! the Tori soundtrack was PERFECT for this demo!
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile 8 ай бұрын
Thanks. I have setting of this: 1:36 Tidal Topping D30 Topping TP60 Diy speakers Fostex Fe103n kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nNGKjLSrrLHMip8.htmlsi=1_obWUCaY4izTx4s Recorded: Mic AT2020 ( Mogami balance cable+neutrix) Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Audacity. Ed
@sebastianschiefner1428
@sebastianschiefner1428 Жыл бұрын
How Do the Burson V6 (Vivid / Classic) compare to the Muse02? Is it an improvement?
@sebuniuniuniuhq804
@sebuniuniuniuhq804 Жыл бұрын
Same doubt...
@sebastianschiefner1428
@sebastianschiefner1428 Жыл бұрын
@@sebuniuniuniuhq804 are you still in doubt when throwing in the MUSES05 DUO?
@sebuniuniuniuhq804
@sebuniuniuniuhq804 Жыл бұрын
Muses02 Will stay in my pre. ❤
@martynasbaranauskas5198
@martynasbaranauskas5198 3 жыл бұрын
Hello, I am watching your great work. I have also upgraded several dac. One with CS4398 and ak4118. I want to ask you to recomend in the mid-price category what operational amp would be the best for this chip. Up to 20eur. Thank you.
@matusjurcik6974
@matusjurcik6974 3 жыл бұрын
Hi :), so do u prefer the muses 02? In comparison with the burson v5i... But yes i agree v5i has more treble more upper midrange and less midrange body (lower mids). What about the soundstage and instr. separation is it equal in both?I can hear the difference in the tonality from the speakers of my phone :D. Btw thanks for the video i was about to by the burson v5i. But now i will reconsider:). But i have different dac/ amp (xduoo 05plus) for the opamp rolling. From what i can hear now (from the lg g7 and the fiio fh3 earphones), i would say that the muses 02 has slightly better height(in soundstage) and instr. separation ... better 3D effect.
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Matus, both are good and depending on taste, some like brigth and others like smooth / melow.
@matusjurcik6974
@matusjurcik6974 3 жыл бұрын
@@edSuwanDiyAudiophile ok i will take smooth/melow muses 02 :).
@aleofast8172
@aleofast8172 2 жыл бұрын
Wah high nya jauh lebih extend V5idual micro detail jg nampak sekali
@yannick930
@yannick930 3 жыл бұрын
Muse : precise, Natural sound. The drums are neat. The space and soundstage are better. The bursound sound fatter, more harmonics, not always correct but also pleasent.
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile 3 жыл бұрын
🤗 which one do you choose to replace? 🙂
@yannick930
@yannick930 3 жыл бұрын
@@edSuwanDiyAudiophile i already have the burson one but i'll buy the muse too. I want to ear them myself :)
@Spyke1970able
@Spyke1970able 2 жыл бұрын
@@yannick930 then did you compare the two op amps?
@yannick930
@yannick930 3 жыл бұрын
Hello ! Nice vidéo. I wanted to ask. If i choose to do this mod and use birson v5i Do I need to modify resistors too to adjust the voltage or it's fine with the default settings ? Same for the muse. Thanks
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, No need, it's fine with default setting.
@yannick930
@yannick930 3 жыл бұрын
@@edSuwanDiyAudiophile Thanks ! I'll do the complete update. In your video toping d30 cs chord mojo. How the topping fare ? i have both and i can't imagine the topping being as good. Your opinion ?
@QuangNguyen-md8ky
@QuangNguyen-md8ky 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, do you need to mod all opamps available in the unit or just 1 or 2 is enough?
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile 2 жыл бұрын
One for all.
@shagrathborgir2003
@shagrathborgir2003 3 жыл бұрын
Hi,what modd for the Dx7 Pro would you recommend? I'm using it with HK990 amp and JBL TL260 speakers. Sometimes I feel it kind of bright and hard to listen for hours. I'm into metal mostly! thank you
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile 3 жыл бұрын
Hello, Playing Metal music is certainly more fun with an analog system (vinyl) than digital. dx7 pro with Saber chips is more melow than AKM dac. To reduce midhigh , you can roll op.amp with the Muses 8920 series or BB series . Do not use discret op.amp.
@shagrathborgir2003
@shagrathborgir2003 3 жыл бұрын
@@edSuwanDiyAudiophile Thank you for your answer,but what does BB mean? I was between Mouses02 and Sparkos ss3602,but I th8nk I'll go with Mouses02.Can you elaborate the last statement,not to use discrete opamp? So you're saying that D90 with AKM should be better than DX7 pro with sabre for metal?
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile 3 жыл бұрын
hi. i prefer AKM for good of speed and the Sabre is very fun with details like jazz or blues. but this depends on taste. For BB OPA445BM single op. amp is good with fast characters and Muses02 is better but for metal I think 8920 is enough and good . if you like to try the tube preamp is certainly more fun.
@LosFicosMusic
@LosFicosMusic 3 жыл бұрын
Haha f i just change the musis amp by modding would it sound similar to this?
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile 3 жыл бұрын
If you have some BG caps .
@nhile11
@nhile11 Жыл бұрын
Definitely, Burson all the way.
@metallica23231
@metallica23231 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, what audio player/software do you use for USB .. is it Audirvana ... or? Thanks for answering
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile 3 жыл бұрын
Streaming with Tidal.
@metallica23231
@metallica23231 3 жыл бұрын
Aham Thx
@metallica23231
@metallica23231 3 жыл бұрын
I will make upgrade mode Two for Topping D30, Based on your diy. Will SEE
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile 3 жыл бұрын
@@metallica23231 that are make be better.
@rajasankar1245
@rajasankar1245 3 жыл бұрын
I bought D30 after watching your videos, I am interested in sound of ladder DACs and willing to modify the D30, So any suggestions?
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile 3 жыл бұрын
You can wacth the last my video about my d30 mod.
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile 3 жыл бұрын
Raja. This is basic mod and you can replaced. kzfaq.info/sun/PLqu9hITXfSlcOfFJKL54E7DxFaj1DTR69
@user-gh4qp2yv9f
@user-gh4qp2yv9f 3 жыл бұрын
Hello! I also have a D30 and I want to change the configuration like yours, but your different videos have different components. Can you record a video with the final result without operational amplifiers and leave all the names and ratings of components under the video? and so that everything is clearly distinguishable. Thanks!!!
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile 3 жыл бұрын
Hello... i so sorry about that. On this video are latest mod. But sometimes i still to trying with what i have stock or used for another.
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile 3 жыл бұрын
I have reposting about D30 mod on YT COMMUNITY
@MrRawnch
@MrRawnch 2 жыл бұрын
The Muse felt a little warmer but, the V5i sounded a bit crisper in the highs.
@montech5647
@montech5647 Жыл бұрын
I never understood why the Muses are so expensive... The OPA1642 simply smokes the Muses...
@andreyMishov
@andreyMishov 2 жыл бұрын
Микрофон отличный. Слышно, как оператор дышит через нос.
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Sir.
@sc0or
@sc0or Жыл бұрын
Это звуки в записи. Откройте видео по ссылке и убедитесь
@sz5171
@sz5171 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! And what is your verdict?
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile 3 жыл бұрын
I still with MUSES02
@sz5171
@sz5171 3 жыл бұрын
@@edSuwanDiyAudiophile Me too :)
@rajasankar1245
@rajasankar1245 3 жыл бұрын
Where I can buy original Muses02? I live in Estonia
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Sankar, i got my Muses from Ebay Seller from Japan.
@nathan7265
@nathan7265 3 жыл бұрын
What do you think of the Topping E30?
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile 3 жыл бұрын
DX3 pro are more better than E30.
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile 3 жыл бұрын
But i don't like both.
@nathan7265
@nathan7265 3 жыл бұрын
@@edSuwanDiyAudiophile . Okay thank you. On the AN dacs. There are many versions. What is your opinion? Some say that 4 is not best.
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile 3 жыл бұрын
For AN dacs i think that have to much version, on the kit version make for kits give you a choice from cheap to expensive, this is by Brian, level 4.1 with a complete kit with OutPut transformer. AN dac 4.1 uses a triple C core output transformer. The latest one uses the R2R dac and accepts up to 96KHz / 24bit. What is important here is the digital input transformer (silver wire and a good toroidal) and the I to V transformer and the Triple C core out put. for the HV power supply regulator with ECL84 is quite good and stable but standard. for that all the existing parts are good enough. maybe if you want very well you can replace the capacitor with Black gate caps. ON my AN kit without OutPut transformer and Not R2R dac board.but i have mod for replaced the tube rectifier and separate digital and analog Power Supply. And all used BG caps on digital and iv board. Some on PS.
@kdomster9141
@kdomster9141 3 жыл бұрын
@@edSuwanDiyAudiophile DX3pro , it should be better than E30 as it costs twice as much. Runs on 15V and has dual mono DAC chips I wish Topping did dual mono from DAC chips all the way to analog output instead of going back to single dual op amp.... Did you do any mods to Dx3pro?
@SuperSeltzer
@SuperSeltzer Жыл бұрын
I agree I like muses02 better the buson is too agressive
@MrDobleagent
@MrDobleagent 3 жыл бұрын
most of ppl compare playing a track with certain opamps vs the vi5, this will not give you a very accurate and real comparison of what they can do, the ideal would be to make a render of frequencies and analyze them, otherwise it looks like a placebo effect.
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile 3 жыл бұрын
Hello.. thank for your appreciated and suggestion. The final judge are the Ear, i look the all op.amp data sheets have very good and no.1 specifications. Are the good analyze grafic guarantee good sound for the Ear? And i have not a good measurement divices for do it Regards Ed
@MrDobleagent
@MrDobleagent 3 жыл бұрын
@@edSuwanDiyAudiophile I understand your point, however, without wishing to demerit your own judges ears, I from this listening spot with Dynaudio monitors and a MOTU828X as interface, I can not perceive the differences between one Opamp and the other.... Also KZfaq reduces the sound quality and much of what you hear from your sweetspot, for us it is simply placebo effect, we are not listening to what you really hear from there.... so you could maybe analyze with some plugin like SPAN which is free and with some plugin for noise frequencies, to see what is really happening from there with each one, those plugins are easy to get to make the experiment... the plugins to analyze, of course, will not be guaranteeing the quality of the sound, however, we could see the existing "extra" harmonics...
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile 3 жыл бұрын
You are right and I agree the sound quality of YT is limited. can't do much to identify the differences in detail. I am so sorry avoid mistakes because not expert for do measures and analysis, i just as user and I share what my experience is. Thank you very much for your kinds and support. Regards Ed
@MrDobleagent
@MrDobleagent 3 жыл бұрын
​@@edSuwanDiyAudiophile I appreciate your video anyway because now I am doing more research on the MUSES02 and very interested, I actually want to implement some new Opamps (not decided which ones yet) in an old 1980's equalizer for audio aplications, which have the LF353, have you ever had experience with those Opamps ? If so, how much difference did you find between those, vs the V5i or MUSES02? And what is the technical specification that you would check as an audiophile in an Opamp to know that you will have a much more transparent, clean and musical sound? I am interested in your opinion in this research im doing to try to get the best option for my analog EQ.
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrDobleagent I never tried LF353. The vintage devices are better to stick with the original. In my opinion. I have an old krell preamp with original components. but I still leave it as it is. I see for vintage devices that need to be considered is the capacitor becomes dry.
@n00buo
@n00buo 3 жыл бұрын
Try Topping A30 with 2x Burson V6 Vivid ;D
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile 3 жыл бұрын
Hello José. I already fixed soldered my A30 with LME49720HA. And i m not yet get the V6. in my opinion Burson Audio V5i-D is better when used on D10 (not D10s) or Dac from ESS SABER dacs like on D50s and does not match AKM dacs with brigth characters.
@n00buo
@n00buo 3 жыл бұрын
@@edSuwanDiyAudiophile I tried the D10s with Burson V6 Vivid and didn't find much difference compared to LME49720 but with the A30 is night and day, very warm and relaxed sound ^^
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile 3 жыл бұрын
Imho discrete op.amp like Burson have characters Bright like LME 49720HA ( can).i still uncomfortable with my A30 , which Are look great circuit than the A50s or L30 and all headphone amp of topping exclude dx7 pro and A90, but it was not give a good sound. I think this have stuck on the PS Transformer AC. Sometimes i will windings a new transformer for it.
@n00buo
@n00buo 3 жыл бұрын
@@edSuwanDiyAudiophile I just sold the A90 and purchased Gustard H16, I'll let you know but probably similar to A90 but cheaper :D
@tonym8358
@tonym8358 3 жыл бұрын
Have you ever tried the Xiang Zeng DAC03...have 3 opam and one tube output, there is a output for oamp and one for the tube...I replace all the stock opams/tube with the 396a Western Electric...the old version of this dac have USB input, the new version have bluetooth
@John_0266
@John_0266 Жыл бұрын
V5I the best
@user-bq6ym2ee6y
@user-bq6ym2ee6y Жыл бұрын
Муза
@SZTILER
@SZTILER 3 жыл бұрын
Minimalne różnice, nie do zauważenia
@sebuniuniuniuhq804
@sebuniuniuniuhq804 Жыл бұрын
Slychac różnice.i to bardzo.
@metallica23231
@metallica23231 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but in my countey a Muses02 cost 55€ Pretty much Hole DAC cost 100€ So....
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile
@edSuwanDiyAudiophile 3 жыл бұрын
if you don't want to upgrade the d30. you can looking for d50s, it is better than d30 std.
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