Torchlight: Infinite [Microtransactions P2W????] and MORE Moto Gameplay

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〈SoA〉Horseman

〈SoA〉Horseman

Жыл бұрын

Video discussing the shop (micro transactions, cosmetics and hero traits) as well as showing off some additional Moto gameplay. SPOILERS for the second half of the video. Footage taken from PC client [Steam] in 4K.

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@MrPavarok
@MrPavarok Жыл бұрын
So it's P2W, didn't their entire marketing revolve around it not being that and only being cosmetic?
@MrPavarok
@MrPavarok Жыл бұрын
Another L in the books if you ask me
@SoA-Horseman
@SoA-Horseman Жыл бұрын
Absolutely!!! Official discord erupted this morning. Community manager has their work cut out for them. Going out on Twitter and attacking DI’s model and stating they are anti-P2W just to include said mechanics? Terrrrible look for them!
@aionn5416
@aionn5416 Жыл бұрын
I think you might be underestimating the power of those pets. The level up bonuses are powerful and I'm assuming it'll work just like Genshin Impact where you will have to pull duplicate pets to level up the one you want. If so, the whaling will be deep. Granted, this amount of power is so much less than Diablo's gems or Genshin Impacts cconstellation levels, but still P2W in my opinion. Also, in the shop page they are selling Trade House slot packs for $15 each (cap of 7 purchases). Being able to have more items listed than a F2P player is P2W in my book. The cherry on top for me though is locking character classes (traits) behind a pay wall. The likelihood of ever obtaining a legendary trait F2P will be so low that players will cave to the fear of missing out and have to fork over the guaranteed pulls necessary to receive it. This is especially egregious if the leaderboards include players using legendary traits. Not to mention, you know they are going to drip-feed these traits one at a time (for example: 1 each season), maximizing profit.
@powerfulshammy
@powerfulshammy Жыл бұрын
bonus is great and all it's not a game changer the pet also legendary traits can be bought only by hero tokens which us in-game event lock you cannot buy it
@SoA-Horseman
@SoA-Horseman Жыл бұрын
There is still a limitation. There are only 6 ranks to a pet. Even if someone were to pull multiples (which you don't need the same pet, just the same class of pet) you can only achieve up to 5 or 6 ranks. A person wouldn't have to devote as much resources or money as you might think. The stats are great, however, my point in the video is that someone does not necessarily NEED it to place on the hero rankings, and there is no PVP at the moment. Now, I am not saying that this is not P2W... it is. The ability to purchase stat bonuses with real money is P2W. How far you can get with that is still a good question. Some of the greatest hurdles to the game isn't going to be fixed with an appropriate pet. Having decent gear, knowledge of crafting system, and a good build is going to get you to the top of the rankings. It is still impossible to buy the crafting reagents needed to be able to do these things. Those same reagents are also used as currency on the market. Therefore, someone does not necessarily have the ability to purchase the things that have a much greater impact to hero ranking placement. The biggest issue to this is the fact that the developers went OUT OF THEIR WAY to shit talk Diablo Immortal (Blizzard/Net Ease) about their anti-P2W stance only to include it during CBT3. Hoping that they are listening to the backlash that this is getting and make the necessary adjustments. We still haven't had an opportunity to really test out the difference between being able to purchase hero traits either. This is new to this CBT and it's awful to think that entire playstyles and potentially game winning builds can be achieved with this paid for advantage.
@powerfulshammy
@powerfulshammy Жыл бұрын
free currency for pull every maintenance so no p2w elements also Carino legendary trait will come to hero tokens on release. doing in game event you will get it. This season it's spacetime witness
@SoA-Horseman
@SoA-Horseman Жыл бұрын
Depends on the amount that they're giving. Last time we had a maintenance blip, we got .. what 100 jagged primocrysts. When you need 1600 for a decent pull, that's not really all that enticing for non-paying players. (therein kind of lends to the issue). There are other ways to obtain this currency, however, there is a point where this source of "income" will dry up.
@marledanimefan7186
@marledanimefan7186 Жыл бұрын
Played this cbt since the first day... Havent spent a dime and killed first traveler earlier today. I will say , i saw the rankings at day 2 , there were people at lvl 90 , but then again dunno if thats the pet power or just good at the game. Comparing to poe, getting to lvl 90 for a veteran player takes about 12-16hrs if you in trade , the league and depending on your preparation beforehand. So the rankings might be showing the grind rats being grind rats , but no way to tell. I have looked for , but havent found any whale make a video comparing p2w pets and f2p like many people in diablo immortal have done. If you know of any, please do share ! Overall, p2w doesnt harm me, i'm f2p for life and most likely ssf when this game official launches . I'm trading a bit now so i can craft the weapon that i want for my berserker, and i didnt drop and lava mauls by myself till lvl 87 where i finished timewark 6 rotations. Having alot fun scratching that poe itch !
@SoA-Horseman
@SoA-Horseman Жыл бұрын
Honestly…. I seriously doubt it had anything to do with pets because the grind to get to LV90’s is still there.
@pikachu2003
@pikachu2003 Жыл бұрын
You need multiple copies of the same damm pet to level it up!!!
@SoA-Horseman
@SoA-Horseman Жыл бұрын
I’m not even completely convinced it needs to be the exact copy of the pet. I’ve leveled up my legendary pets in CBT2, but never got dupes.
@farminglover444
@farminglover444 Жыл бұрын
i’m at lvl 76 without spending any money
@SoA-Horseman
@SoA-Horseman Жыл бұрын
Well, good. Honestly other than cosmetics and leveling up pacts there’s no need to.
@makjr1247
@makjr1247 Жыл бұрын
Will not be playing it is the same as Diablo immoral.
@SoA-Horseman
@SoA-Horseman Жыл бұрын
Not the same by any means, but it is understandable if you don’t want the pay for power what do ever. Big difference is obviously the amount of power and impact to fame and other players. Only thing going for TL:I is that. Not much impact to other players. I’d say it is still worth trying for yourself…. I am also right now completely F2P because I have no choice in the matter and performance isn’t impacted
@javvahutgaming7715
@javvahutgaming7715 Жыл бұрын
Simple play on a phone duh LMFAO
@makjr1247
@makjr1247 Жыл бұрын
You are struggling so hard to make this not pay to win when it obviously is. Will ruin game the devs lied.
@SoA-Horseman
@SoA-Horseman Жыл бұрын
I’m not struggling. I’ve flat out said it was P2W. I just also compare it to the likes of Diablo Immortal, the impact of P2W on community and being transparent on the amount the dollar actually weighs on power. In a nutshell, you’re absolutely correct. However, comparing to the impact of P2W elements in DI versus TLI, it is night and day. It should be understood that going F2P is going to have little to. I affect you you versus someone that drops money to get to the same place faster. Diablo Immortal… you WILL hit pay walls and your ability to progress WILL be hindered. That’s not true with TLI. Understand though, I am not defending it, or condoning P2W elements and have been vocal in their discord about this.
@SoA-Horseman
@SoA-Horseman Жыл бұрын
I do agree that the devs lied. Absolutely. We’ve been vocal. They are re-evaluating this concept and I look forward to seeing the outcome prior to launch.
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