Toroidal vs Regular Propeller for RC Plane

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@ExtravagantEthan 4 ай бұрын

You can Hear it straining the engine more with the fancy propeller 😅

@ExtravagantEthan 4 ай бұрын

Maybe try to Put holes in the end of the toroidal to let air escape? Or utilize that air cant slip off the ends like a propeller

@_8gb_75 4 ай бұрын

Engine that’s a brushless motor lmao

@Bartimusblue27 4 ай бұрын

It moves more air, more efficiently, generating more torque on the prop shaft. The motor simply doesn't have enough torque due to the propeller having more mass and air resistance.

@datb0013 4 ай бұрын

The motor needing to do work isn’t a sign the prop is bad. Moving air takes energy, if the prop moves more air, more energy is needed. Thus motor strain

@richarddenton3390 4 ай бұрын

if you read the paper from MIT, it moves more air but uses just as much energy to do so

@pascal4708 4 ай бұрын

For a fair testing you should have printed the normal Rotor it self also (not smooth carbon premade)

@TonyCampCamppartyof4 4 ай бұрын

100%

@Jp-ue8xz 4 ай бұрын

^ this

@c1h2r3i4s56987 4 ай бұрын

Thats a work around i didnt think of, but Glad im not the only one thinking about the 3d print vs the factory molded

@hackaboom 4 ай бұрын

yup. at the least.

@Mobius118 4 ай бұрын

Also should have tested the normal prop with 3 and 5 blades too

@electricpaisy6045 4 ай бұрын

You should slow down the regular propeller until it produces the same thrust as the toroidal and then compare the noise again.

@rossmcdonagh1554 4 ай бұрын

Are they not set to the same rpm?

@electricpaisy6045 4 ай бұрын

@@rossmcdonagh1554 Yes and I just suggested a different comparison.

@j-schnab6338 4 ай бұрын

@@rossmcdonagh1554set to the same RPM yes, but it doesn't mean they're achieving the same rpm. If a different propeller has more drag it's just going to go slower. The only variable that's the exact same is the power of the little plane.

@j-schnab6338 4 ай бұрын

That's a good idea. People always forget to remove as many variables as possible for a real comparison.

@electricpaisy6045 4 ай бұрын

@@j-schnab6338 that wasn't even the point why I suggested it but yes that also comes in handy. I just think it's another good measure to compare the noise level since we don't really car that much about rpm but more about thrust that just happens to be higher at higher rpm.

@an_rc_guy8256 4 ай бұрын

I think what people don't immediately realize is that the 5 bladed toroidal prop being 6dB quieter is 4x quieter than the standard prop. That is an incredibly substantial difference.

@timwildauer5063 4 ай бұрын

The specific shape makes all the difference. Unless it’s optimized for medium and rpms this won’t show the real power of the toroidal propeller.

@nlmaster9811 4 ай бұрын

They were debunked a good while ago now, they work but they aren’t anything special.

@nathon1942 4 ай бұрын

That also applies to normal propellers…

@makermandan 4 ай бұрын

True, I haven't done much optimization, i just guessed a shape that may work.

@asiburger 4 ай бұрын

@@nlmaster9811 source?

@c0nstantin86 4 ай бұрын

@@nlmaster9811 it don't make sense! Regular ones lose wind sideways. Weren't optimised

@matytomek3574 4 ай бұрын

It's not only the decibels that impact the noise. The toroidsl propeller smoothes out the peaks in frequency of the nornal propeller making it more comfortable to listen to

@grubalaboocreosote4774 4 ай бұрын

Yeah, also, you can’t just make a toroidal shape and expect it to be good. There’s a fair amount of engineering involving the pitch and angle attack. The fact that a thrown together experiment matched up to a calculated prop at all is impressive.

@misdelivereddishwasher1011 4 ай бұрын

sometimes good craftsmanship can overpower poor research. Not saying it's proper, but definitely cool and worth something yeah@@grubalaboocreosote4774

@surkey5055 4 ай бұрын

@grubalaboocreosote4774 Yeah the ridges from printing already make more noise by creating resistance

@MONKEYGUY8504 4 ай бұрын

Deleting my comment because apparently the one it was referring to was deleted.

@misdelivereddishwasher1011 4 ай бұрын

@@MONKEYGUY8504 symmetry has nothing to do with it. It just produces a different sound because it interacts with the air differently than a straight propellor

@PedroSantos-fw6gk 22 күн бұрын

Its not only the -6 dB that makes it feel quieter, but also the reduced frequency peak and uniform noise spectrum, similar to how they made car tires less noisy.

@DoenSnikduj 3 ай бұрын

There is another problem at play! Another guy on KZfaq was putting together his own RC boat, and tried those types of propellers. He found that there’s quite a difference depending on whether they’re FDM printed(like you’ve done here), or Resin Printed. Then again, he was messing with submerged propellers; any residual air could mess with its performance.

@koofer1269 4 ай бұрын

I never thought treyarch would make a propeller

@apricotcharms4126 4 ай бұрын

Thank god I wasn’t the only one

@stashyfrag 4 ай бұрын

Was gonna say that 😂

@cooked4good 4 ай бұрын

Lmao

@McThunder740 4 ай бұрын

Thought the same thing

@2fortcow 4 ай бұрын

Was gonna comment this nice

@mrhatnclogs116 4 ай бұрын

just a reminder to everyone that a difference in 3 decibels is a multiplier of 2, meaning that 6 decibels is a multiplier of 4. Edit: Big thanks to yt for telling me that a whole 2 people liked my comment. It really helped me a lot to know.

@makermandan 4 ай бұрын

Facts

@childkillers_shouldve_NoState 4 ай бұрын

😂

@user-ee6gj1ld5p 2 ай бұрын

Именно этот комментарий я искал. Почему эта информация недоступна широким массам?

@darthpotwet2668 Ай бұрын

It's 10 decibels

@mrhatnclogs116 Ай бұрын

@darthpotwet2668 Ten decibels is a multiplier of 10. 3 decibels is a multiplier of 2.

@fredfrederick5607 4 ай бұрын

Also, please compare the amp draw vs thrust. It’s possible the toroidal props have a lower max thrust but produce more thrust per amp.

@ink5979 4 ай бұрын

infinity ward finna start producing planes 💀💀

@the_human_being001 23 күн бұрын

The treyarch logo

@gregswank4912 4 ай бұрын

The edges of those propellers looked squared off and blunt while the traditional propeller looked more refined. If you want a more fair test, you need to print your own standard propeller to the same materials and standards as the toroidal. The toroidal propellers I’ve seen were precision milled to extreme precision using a 5 axis CNC to achieve their superior numbers.

@makermandan 4 ай бұрын

Yea the surface finish is definitely not doing the prop any good.

@CS-zn6pp 4 ай бұрын

@@makermandanthe extra weight wouldn't help either. In scientific testing they are more efficient.

@prezzatocustoms 4 ай бұрын

But to counter your statement, the propellers should be run with their speeds adjusted to matching thrust as well.

@benji3900 4 ай бұрын

@@prezzatocustoms why would you adjust that? They should all be run at whatever power that motor can produce.

@prezzatocustoms 4 ай бұрын

@benji3900 simply because that's the only real world scenario that matters if you are focused on the sound alone. The traditional propeller makes alot more thrust, with only slightly more decibels. In the real world situation, where you need the same amount of thrust for these to be equal in performance, the traditional propeller will probably be quieter.

@knifedance2402 4 ай бұрын

Print in ABS and smooth in acetone. That got me the power I was looking for from these.

@hunteremmerson7149 4 ай бұрын

For those who don't know being 5 db quieter is a little more than a third as loud 10^.5 it's because the math for db is logarithmic meaning that every 10 bd is ten times louder or 10^1 20 bd quieter is 100 times quieter or 10^2 and 30 bd quieter is 1000 times quieter or 10^3

@NiliMoto 3 ай бұрын

You are wrong. Psychoacoustics isn't an exact science because it's so subjective. In general 6-10db difference is considered half or twice as loud but it differs from person to person. Also it's really hard to tell when something is "twice as loud". What you're referencing with 10, 100 and 1000 times higher is the change in effective sound pressure in Pascal. The entire point of the db-scale is to get rid of the logarithmic factor because our ears sensitivity to sound pressure follows a logarithmic scale. And working with pascal directly is impractical. 0db is the hearing threshold of the average human.

@DentedFrontalLobe 3 ай бұрын

What the heck? Is this math? Nah,I m definitely not getting ANY certificate in academy now 💀

@soldjahboy 3 ай бұрын

@@NiliMotoI was hoping someone commented this. It's also why I personally go by the 6db scale as that's how SPL is measured... and that's all I care about :D

@iketxarte 3 ай бұрын

@@NiliMoto3db is half the power, db scale IS logarithmic, not to get rid of it. It's math.

@joaonazario3764 3 ай бұрын

@@NiliMoto he are not wrong, the sound pressure diff in dB will do hearing damages at proportional levels

@Will_Forge 2 ай бұрын

I think the reason the toroidal propellers have some issues is the weights at the tip as they loop over into the next propeller. You might need to drill holes there to allow some air to fall out through it. If not that, then you might need to change up the shapes at the tips to account for air manipulation.

@samuelpalmquist365 4 ай бұрын

To make a fair comparison you should also 3D print a 1/1 replica of the original propeller. Layer lines, material and surface finish affect so much

@jimbit7920 4 ай бұрын

in addition, the shape of each blade should be like a wing. the vid looks like it has a square edge from the printer.

@knightning3521 4 ай бұрын

yeah im so tired of people printing garbage then testing it and acting like it is representative of anything

@natew.valentine4227 3 ай бұрын

Exactly my thought. Comparing FDM to IM isnt accounting for necessary variables

@kurtbjorn3841 4 ай бұрын

The ultimate test is motor current draw vs thrust. Otherwise, there are too many other variables in your experiment... which is really cool BTW.

@makermandan 4 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@annestyk 3 ай бұрын

i'd be interested to know their masses, as well.

@Xe_None 2 ай бұрын

Years ago, I was recruiting for an aircraft design team, and this was one of the questions we would ask. Most people were surprised by the answer.

@BeyondSight 2 ай бұрын

The toroidal propellers are designed to drop off sound over distance faster....@@makermandan

@ElPincheChingon_562 4 ай бұрын

The fact that my man put his toy plane on a Dyno says how serious he is about his Hobby!

@makermandan 4 ай бұрын

Hahaha I should make a dyno graph for it

@nidodson Ай бұрын

PC fan tests prove you can reduce sound significantly, and likely improve everything else too.

@memziiMusic 4 ай бұрын

i think the mass distribution is affecting the moment of inertia and requiring more energy to spin the toroidal one. you may need to print it again with a different design to see better results

@makermandan 4 ай бұрын

That is true, it’s a lot heavier

@TowerCrisis 4 ай бұрын

That should only affect how much time and energy it takes to get it up to speed, the top speed is unchanged by just increasing mass.

@Basement_CNC 4 ай бұрын

@@makermandan you should always compare them to a similar sized prop, thats also 3d printed

@stedmaster 4 ай бұрын

Yeah can you can see all the rough around the edges and extrusion which is spoiling airflow, a more refined design like the initial standard prop would be interesting.

@danielleisrael 4 ай бұрын

@@TowerCrisisI can’t see that if you have a dremel and you spin it and apply lots of friction it won’t spin as fast. Or if you add a lot of weight to it. Now a car with steel wheels and the same car with magnesium wheels will spin the same because of the gears and the tiny amount of total output that’s used to spin them.

@lmether 4 ай бұрын

It would be interesting to reduce the throttle on the regular propeller to match the thrust of the torodial ones. Then you could compare the noise levels at identical thrust. Also measuring current draw would be informative.

@jamesmerkel1932 4 ай бұрын

That would indicate a designed inefficiency in fuel and power, which in turn would be better solved by just flying slower or getting better headphones. As for civilian noise complaints, just fly higher.

@patrickheys3477 4 ай бұрын

For context 6dB quieter is actually half as loud

@anj000 4 ай бұрын

Run the regular propeller at lower speed to produce the same thrust, and compare the noise. I guess that regular will be on par with the newer ones. If they are spinning slower and producing less thrust then of course they will be quieter.

@dangerwing 4 ай бұрын

You did not address weight. If a propeller is heavier, it will spin slower given the same torque. That would explain the quieter sound and decreased thrust.

@reinbeers5322 4 ай бұрын

It'll only accelerate slower, the rest is down to drag.

@goofballbiscuits3647 4 ай бұрын

@@reinbeers5322Acceleration *_and_* maximum velocity would also be reduced. Those are entirely different, and we are trying to fly in the end.

@reinbeers5322 4 ай бұрын

@@goofballbiscuits3647 Top speed is affected way more by drag and not weight, weight is more relevant for acceleration and climb rate. Top speed will only be lowered if drag increases, which may not happen with a small increase in weight.

@reinbeers5322 4 ай бұрын

@goofballbiscuits3647 4 ай бұрын

@@reinbeers5322 Sure, acceleration is more affected but saying only acceleration is affected it flat out wrong. This isn't a zero-sum gain. Propeller efficiency changes with airspeed. Change the propeller, expect that power band to change. Propeller efficiency can also allow the motor to be over-revved. Propeller length should be determined by the *_motor_*. He did not change that iirc. Only changing the propeller is going to affect more than just acceleration. It will affect the entire passage through the medium. As displacement of air is also critical, not just drag. "Better to move a lot of air, a little."

@GeorgeCowsert 4 ай бұрын

It's worth noting that the toroidal props were designed for drones, where sound and turbulence can be annoying. The lack of a clearly defined tip makes for less turbulence and thus easier landings.

@kameronwes170 4 ай бұрын

It's important to note that 6 decibels is actually a big difference. For reference, every 10 decibels is double the volume. This means going from 10 to 20 decibels would result in a 100% increase in noise.

@RedHaloManiac95 21 күн бұрын

The regular propeller is twice as loud as the 5 blade propeller. For those wondering

@rokzcoban4394 4 ай бұрын

I like this type of videos, let's make them normal. No clickbait, strait to the point well filmed with captions so i can watch it while my baby daughter goes to sleep. Nice

@RyanDong-rl3od 4 ай бұрын

You may have to optimize and experiment with different propeller types to find the best kind, as some might not be good for flight compared to others.

@danielbotev6365 2 ай бұрын

Nice test! I think you should also 3D print the regular propeller from the same material you made the toroidal propellers, perhaps the finish has an effect on the final results.

@Londrino 21 күн бұрын

The toroidal propellors also remove the higher pitch sounds from the propellers, which makes us percieve them as being even quieter even without a huge change in decibel level.

@nickt6980 4 ай бұрын

You still have sharp edges and rough surfaces on the 3d printed ones. It would be interesting if you measured rpm as well.

@tep916 4 ай бұрын

Important thing missing from the thrust measurement is a simultaneous measure of power being drawn. The toroidal props could be weaker but drawing less power making them more efficient or weaker and drawing more power making them even worse. It would be interesting to see this measured together for a more complete picture.

@nathanblanchard8897 4 ай бұрын

I’d imagine the mass, especially at the tips is MUCH higher so the lower thrust and sound is probably due to a lower RPM, and power draw would likely be higher

@h34dshotgl0re 4 ай бұрын

Im trying to understand this comment. The motor should be drawing a fairly constant amount of power regardless of what its driving. The lowered performance would be some summation of the properties of the printed propeller making it harder for the motor to apply torque to. I think to make this test "fair", one should iterating the design of the toroidal propeller itself. By that i mean, the printed propellers seem suboptimal compared to the original design. My intuition tells me if he played with the mass, cross section, raidus and/or print material he'd see better results. Essentially he needs to lower the Mass moment of inertia to make the propeller easier to spin, then he can start playing woth thrust properties.

@nathanblanchard8897 4 ай бұрын

@@h34dshotgl0re By power you mean amps, right? I don’t know a ton about how to calculate amps from prop mass/pitch/size, but I do know a bit about power consumption in general. A motor has a KV rating which for our purposes is the number of RPMs the motor will spin at a specific voltage. The amount of current the motor is going to need to do that is going to change based on the load. So no prop requires few amps, big prop requires big amps OR big prop pitch (more air pushed per rotation) also requires big amps. So you’re completely right, they need to test different prop geometries to actually see if they can optimize the design to be competitive. I just don’t think it’s going to be useful to try to compare a homemade design to something designed by the pros, then claim conclusions based on an amateur attempt :(

@makermandan 4 ай бұрын

True, I don't have the equipment to measure the current draw but I can look into it for future testing.

@definingslawek4731 4 ай бұрын

@@h34dshotgl0reWhy do you think a motor should draw the same amount of power regardless of what it’s driving? I’m fairly sure that’s totally wrong.

@MNNski 4 ай бұрын

That fish scale is absolutely loving its job

@canoftears 4 ай бұрын

the one with 3 blades brings back memories

@MyDailyPerspective 4 ай бұрын

You need to account for the weight differences and drag too...causing the motor to turn slower RPM, hence quieter and less thrust. Match RPM and then test.

@jocelyneragan2791 4 ай бұрын

How thin can you print without compromising rigidity? Lessening the mass of the blades and moving the center of gravity to the fulcrum would be the best strategy to both increase inertia and lessen drag.

@LprogressivesANDliberals 4 ай бұрын

👍🏽 love engineers. Blue collar keeps the world running, white collar advances the world

@StanleyMilgramm 4 ай бұрын

Increase inertia?

@user-uh5rg9tw1x 4 ай бұрын

This is epic!

@reinbeers5322 4 ай бұрын

To make the 3D printed propellers more efficient, you could lightly sand them with ~600grit sandpaper to even out the layer lines.

@DamianPenney 4 ай бұрын

Be interesting to measure the noise level of the standard prop running at a lower speed such that it matches the thrust of the fancy prop.

@makermandan 4 ай бұрын

Id imagine the regular prop still retains a higher pitch timbre.

@xmarine73 4 ай бұрын

@@makermandan why imagine? You're set up to test exactly this and it's a valid point.

@InsanityV0id 4 ай бұрын

Spinning flower propeller 😊

@PhilipSigler Ай бұрын

Freaking awesome dude…

@LazySpaceRaptor 4 ай бұрын

As far as the "quieter" thing, you have to look into apparent volume by looking at the waveform average and seeing which frequencies are low and high. The pitch of a sound can make it seem louder or quieter.

@makermandan 4 ай бұрын

The meter I have is A weighted, so I believed it does take that into account.

@wefwefwef. 4 ай бұрын

A sounds volume doubles every 3 decibles, so the difference between the propellers was massive

@miscbits6399 4 ай бұрын

3dB is about the smallest sound level change you can discern The sound ENERGY doubles or halves with a 3dB change, but eyes and ears have logarithmic intensity responses, not linear

@nathanblanchard8897 4 ай бұрын

@@miscbits6399meaning it takes 10db to double the perceived volume of a sound, not 3db :)

@definingslawek4731 4 ай бұрын

The normal one is actually quieter when normalised for thrust generated.

@miscbits6399 4 ай бұрын

@@definingslawek4731 if you 3d printed a normal one it probably wouldn't fare well. That rough surface will have a high Renoylds number and be generating a lot of noise/drag I'd be highly tempted to 3d print blades using my SLA printer rather than relying on any kind of extruder. This can produce a surface which is almost perfect (and flexible with resin tuning, I've done this for "clothespeg" type electronics clips otherwise they snap after a couple of uses) and can be further improved with acetone treatment before final hardening

@mkzhero 4 ай бұрын

@@nathanblanchard8897 well, 50% is still a lot tho

@alphacowman2350 4 ай бұрын

I would also sand or use resin to fill the grooves of the print so they are smoother. should help improve performance and reduce sound as well.

@JR113FTW 3 ай бұрын

Very cool plane btw

@user-nb5un7zy4r Ай бұрын

It’s quieter because it moves less air.

@Sonnar92Gaming 4 ай бұрын

Angle of attack makes a massive difference in sound and thrust

@arvin6606 4 ай бұрын

Filament printing is rough. Use resin printing for smoother surface.

@gormauslander 4 ай бұрын

I would add that the distance away probably affects the perceived volume. The toroidal is probably designed to cut a specific bandwidth rather than raw output, so that it does faster over distance. You might get more measurable dropoff if you don't measure directly under it

@anniedorsey Ай бұрын

Nice rc plane bro!

@leo-hao 4 ай бұрын

remember, decibles are a logrithmic scale. 6db is about 50% quieter. 50% less noise for 25% less thrust seems a decent deal to me

@favianramirez870 3 ай бұрын

Make sure to adapt well the toroidal ones to be used as thrust. They were designed to be used as fans.

@TheBoomsmith 4 ай бұрын

Maybe also put an actual aerodynamic profile on the toroidal ones

@Pekz00r 9 күн бұрын

The two biggest factors of a propellers efficiency is the angle of attack and the diameter. Two blade propellers are typically more efficient as well, but louder.

@tristencardenas3094 4 ай бұрын

That 3 blade toroidal prop looked like it was on its way to make cod zombies

@dinocharlie1 4 ай бұрын

Another consideration is while a lot of the same rules apply, hydrodynamics where most toroidal props are designed from is executed differently than aerodynamics. The blades are usually angled to different amounts. It could be something you already considered, but if not, the difference might matter

@LtNoTaco 4 ай бұрын

I think it was originally designed for underwater props. It reduces cavitation that degrades underwater props over time.

@illturralli 4 ай бұрын

As far as I've read, these propellers are more efficient in a specific range on rpm, but generally less efficient than regular propellers. Also, they were initially designed for marine use.

@G35Jeesh 4 ай бұрын

You should sand and polish the printed ones to make em less blunt and smooth

@n085fs 4 ай бұрын

If you read the manual of the decibel meter, it should say that sound is measured from a distance of 1m away (3.2 feet).

@CasualKillZz 3 ай бұрын

Giving me Treyarch vibes with that first one haha very cool! 🤙🏻

@michroz 4 ай бұрын

Important to understand: this is not about "toroidal vs regular", but _these random DYI 3D-printed_ vs _factory-grade molded optimized for this motor_ .

@timothygraves1531 22 күн бұрын

More interesting than I thought

@fvkaciv 4 ай бұрын

they look super cool tho

@rmatveev 3 ай бұрын

You should compare the motor current as well. Efficiency is also very important thing. I believe that flower-type propellers were rotating slower, so this is why they were less noise and less throsty.

@primeoaktoast6596 4 ай бұрын

The propellers would need careful designing to better the thrust, but it's a good proof of concept

@BASavage81 3 ай бұрын

As a person trained in basic aerodynamics and with real aircraft maintenance experience I can say that propellers are specically formed in a way to get as much "bite" on the air as possible as pulls t the plane through the air while minimizing drag. It seems that the new propellers have a lower pull and higher parasitic drag coiefficients. Still an interesting idea though.

@berlicoenfarel8184 27 күн бұрын

FYI -6db is equal to -4 times than the original

@user-pj7vr7hq3u 4 ай бұрын

Interesting idea, could be fun to see another video but all printed props bi tri and quad as well as the toroidal. It should be safe to say that the heavier the prop the more strain on a motor that isn't designed for it as well as more weight rotates slower in this case causing less noise. If your plane was designed for a larger prop then you print you should be able to limit this.

@dylanwhite6539 3 ай бұрын

Also worth comparing the load value. I imagine that for the same amount of thrust the toroidal props are using less watts. Thats how they should be

@brytonmassie 4 ай бұрын

You should consider using a spectogram to view the entire frequency range.

@dietrichcrenshaw4082 3 ай бұрын

I think the next test would be could you put in on an engine with higher rpm potential and see how the propeller does as the tips approach the speed of sound (which is the limiting factor for all normal propellers)

@Scott.E.H 4 ай бұрын

Well it did do what it set out to do I guess. It's like subsonic bullets. Not going to replace the regular stuff but it's still doing what it's built for.

@MasterArkannor 28 күн бұрын

You need to 3d print a standard propellor for this to be a fair test. The weight and surface of a printer will never be the same. I still expect the standard twin blade to win. Also, we should remember that because of the geometry of toroidal propellors, it is not perfectly accurate to describe them as "3-bladed" or "5-bladed." A better terminology could be "3-fold rotational symmetry" or "5-fold rotational symmetry." These blades have more like 6 blades and 8-10 blades worth of surface area respectively.

@ggroombr 22 күн бұрын

If you divide the dB by the thrust you find the standard propeller is actually quieter than the toroidal props for a given thrust value…

@clydewill2340 3 ай бұрын

The 3d printed propellers might just be a lot heavier than the originals. Plus, while adding more propellers does increase the amount of thrust, it amount it increases by decreases as you add more blades

@Rutherfordium2023 22 күн бұрын

If I remember correctly toroidal propellers are supposed to be more efficient, not necessarily more powerful. They are more like a side step to traditional propellers than an upgrade. A more accurate way to rate them would be to record audio from farther away and record how long battery life’s last.

@CheapMessiah 4 ай бұрын

You could do a test trying to get similar thrust on all 3 and then comparing noise generated and power consumption.

@cappycook 3 ай бұрын

It looks like the regular propeller is made from a different material than the propellers. I would recommend printing a regular propeller with the same material, to test the toroidal prints against. This will ensure consistency in your testing

@vectorspace7293 4 ай бұрын

In my opinion the traditional one has less moment of inertia (it is much easier to spin). The other has more mass distributed away from center.

@benhorton141 3 ай бұрын

You should put bumps or dimples or carve at it to make a sharp edge. I think some of that drop off could be the weight difference between the loops and strips

@runikvarze6191 Ай бұрын

On a small scale, toroidal propellers are actually worse. But on a larger scale, they are significantly better.

@matthewboyd8689 20 күн бұрын

If you match the thrust the sound goes back to normal. They aren't quieter. They just have their noise more spread out over more frequencies that are less audible to humans, there quieter. Somewhat like the tread on tires going from blocky to variable spacing and angular shapes to spread out the impact and therefore spread out the noise.

@fallingsuncreations9270 4 ай бұрын

Like others are saying it’s stressing your plane cuz it’s too big or too heavy, or if you use a smaller one it’s too small or too light, gotta Have the right specifications

@jonsible 12 күн бұрын

6dB doesnt sound like a huge reduction, but it's a logarithmic scale. Every 3db is effectively double the air pressure. Air pressure and percieved volume dont line up exactly but this is still almost 1/3 quieter.

@YNG_NALO 4 ай бұрын

I think theres a certain formula you have to use to get the right shape in order to actually get them to work properly. But im sure when made perfectly they are better than regular propellers

@Andy-df5fj 4 ай бұрын

To be fair, you should 3D print a standard propeller with the same print parameters as you used for the toroidal propellers which look pretty square on the edges.

@guthrie_1 23 күн бұрын

That is still loud as hell for a tiny remote plane. I had no idea

@mohamedsaeed8225 2 ай бұрын

It's so nice 😊

@adamcarlson7248 3 ай бұрын

I think the toroidal propeller was designed for maximum efficiency in the mid-range of engine rpm. Instead of testing thrust at the highest RPM, maybe test thrust at lower RPM to see if the toroidal propeller generates more thrust with less power. Air also has different fluid dynamics than air. I believe the point of the toroidal propeller is to minimize cavitation compared to a regular propeller, and that affect may not be as influential to noise and engine efficiency in air as it is in water. You put in a lot of work with this experiment. I'd love to see more experiments with these same propellers!

@nickvalintine4652 4 ай бұрын

The 5 bladed one sounded like a jet engine

@nullfield1126 4 ай бұрын

25% less thrust, but half as loud? That's s valid trade-off

@JanBenes-vg3bp 3 ай бұрын

Try 3d print your regular propeller from the same material. For more acurraci. And plane may need some tuning too I gues. It is optimalized for this regular type

@kevinmcdonough9097 4 ай бұрын

Ive found bigger differences comparing quality props to cheap ones. On a DIY drone I once gained 10% thrust switching from generic to DJI props. The generic ones were still quality injection molded and engineered using a time-proven design.

@thefordness 4 ай бұрын

I would be interested to see a setup that could bring each propeller to a specific RPM and measure thrust that way. Also, measure the precise amount of power needed to bring the propeller to that RPM.

@jkritter456 4 ай бұрын

Rctestflight has some good vids on the differences in these props too, he demonstrated with boats tho. Pretty cool to such a straight translation to air.