Find the 850 here: amzn.to/3Hbd1iZ To see how these tools work in wood (you know, like maybe you do) check out the new PhillyFixed video! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gt9gibeEycqYm40.html

You should market yourself as an independent third party testing facility and become a national standard for this type of testing! Would be great to see a TTC (Torque Test Channel) sticker on the side of an impact driver someday. I'd actually trust the numbers on the box at that point.

Upgraded from an older 18v kit. kzfaq.infoUgkxW1vOBRCMrgTCDEijzpVzDWsgI-Jm2iQv I independently chose the drill and impact tool, before I came across the kit.I like the 3 speed impact gun. It seems more powerful than my older one, and it can be set to be really gentle. The drill is more appropriately sized for my use. I used to have a hammer drill, but I did not like that it was so big and it was not a great hammer drill. I rather have a smaller drill like this, and then get a corded hammer drill for the odd case I need that.

I bought the Gen3 Milwaukee and had full intention of replacing my Makita 18v. Needless to say it may have been slightly more powerful but it was like riding a Chinese rickshaw down a cobblestone path and the Makita is now my main impact driver again. The Makita was just so much smoother.

Full disclosure, Torque of TTC is working for a company called Astro Tools. Who doesn't make impact drivers, but it may be worth knowing! See latest live stream for more details. Thanks!

That new Dewalt impact driver will be $99 when the H.D. X-mas deals come out in a few weeks , I already saw it , tool only for $99 for a brand new tool is insane, good job DeWalt ..👍

I've got the dcf850 with the powerstack battery and I absolutely love it. I'm a forklift tech so I use it on anywhere from 6mm to 23mm bolts and nuts and it does great. Of course I'm not dealing with things like rust that the automotive guys get but it works well and is compact to get into places

Id like to see yall accept one from a company and then buy one off the shelf and see if they are the same

Great review as always, I like the fact that you mentioned depending on "how your tool is used" can make a difference, you don't always need the most powerful and absolute fastest to get a job done. I own Milwaukee and rigid tools but I'm still impressed with the little DeWalt👍

I’m so happy y’all are testing this first. Most trustable impact channel on KZfaq fam!

Reliability has never been a problem for Makita but performance certainly hasn't always been their strong point, I'll still own a Makita any day, hopefully the reliability and craftsmanship doesn't ever fall off because that's what keeps me coming back

I bought the Makita 40v a year ago and I absolutely love it. I’m in construction and I’ve used it for everything from drywall screws to large grk and lag bolts. The trigger is so soft that you can feel everything and use it for very delicate work such as mounting hinges on doors as it only impacts when it meets heavy resistance. To me an impact driver doesn’t need to be crazy powerful, if you want torque for large lags then buy a small impact wrench🤷🏼‍♂️ I’ve used both dewalt and Milwaukee and they don’t come close when doing delicate finishing. Also the new batteries get you over twice the battery life.

I've loved my last gen Dewalt Atomic 20V driver. I'm not the nicest to tools, and it has handle everything that has happened to it (left out in rain, stepped on by horse, etc.) without any problems.

I just picked up the DeWalt for $99 at Home Depot, I do HVAC install and it has been working out great in all the tight spaces

By the way, I have my impact driver as a multi purpose do-all tool for things from carpentry to appliance repair to driving lag bolts, but I probably use it the most doing automotive work. I mostly like these little tools because they can get in there and turn off those long winded bolts really quickly. Even if I have to break the fasteners loose with a breaker bar, then hit them with this the rest of the way out, it really saves me a ton of time. I never was interested in the 1/2 or 3/8 cordless impacts I had used years ago because they weren't putting out any more torque than these little guys, and they couldn't do anything else. My interest in them wasn't piqued until I saw your videos on the newer ones that are rivaling some of the best air impacts out there. Since I've already got the batteries, you've really got me thinking about one of these cordless Makita impacts, because I really do hate having to wrestle with the air line, and with the socket going directly on that tool mandrel, a lot more compact than even my cordless impact driver. I think one of these things is in my near future.

Glad to see that DeWalt woke the hell up....Love these test keeping these wild power claims in check..

A few times now you've asked about "if the spring and hammer/anvil are unchanged, can 40v make a difference?" and the answer is that it certainly could. The power of the impact is determined by 1. Mass of hammer/anvil, 2. Leverage/diameter of the same, and 3. Speed of the motor. Every time the hammer smacks the anvil, the load on the motor spikes and the RPM decreases, then it has a tiny amount of time to speed back up for the next impact. Higher voltage could theoretically help the motor power through that load spike without losing so much RPM. It could also give them the overhead to put in a heavier spring for longer sustained blows. That said, the performance here of the Makita is strange. They possibly could be electronically limiting it, or perhaps the performance was already being limited by something other than loaded RPM so extra voltage changed nothing.

That Makita makes me wonder if it was broken, lol. Very bizarre how that driver acted. Great little Dewalt, for sure.

I yes bought the new DeWalt Átomic driver, is a beauty it doesn't hesitate to put screws on 2x4 the best tool I ever bought this new year..

Having just bought a DCF850 for 99usd + shipping and tax to my country via home depot and a freight forwarder I'm pleased with what I saw here - I didn't realise it matched the old 887 in performance, that makes it a no brainer IMO.

That Makita must have lost the silicon lottery or have a bad motor or something. I have had the 40V impact driver and it can torque and loosen 200 FT-LBS without breaking a sweat. My 20 year old 18V Makita can put up the numbers you were getting.

You need to try the dewalt atomic with the powerstack battery. The faster discharge rate of the powerstack seems to make a big difference. Or at least with the hand dyno and actually using both batteries on this new tool. Love the content.

Not at all surprised by the struggles of the Makita. You have confirmed my recent testing. I am surprised by that little Dewalt

That new Atomic is what DeWalt should have originally released in that lineup.

In my experience using impact drivers in construction its speed that starts screws and too much torque strips screws. The weight is critical when hanging it off a toolbelt and carrying it around.

This is why you’re Chanel is tops, I make tool decisions on these videos.

i would just say, as someone who primarily works on cars, the reverse (release) torque is by far the most important for that, the bolts tend only to be corroded in place when loosening them, and require way more than "torque spec" to get loose.

It's like golf, the brand with the lowest voltage sells the best beans.

Love the DEWALT tools but either way you can’t go wrong with Milwaukee or DEWALT both great tools. Thanks for the post really interesting

I will take smaller, lighter drill over higher max torque. Just purchased DeWalt with power stack battery pack. Awesome! Beside smaller size, the flash light is much improved.

Surprising results. I have owned all of those impact drivers except the Dewalt, Flex and TD172 (own multiple XDT16’s). Milwaukee punches harder than any Makita, so much so it often backfires with insta camouts. But I have not at all had the experience that the XGT is less powerful than the 18v counterparts (TD172 is very close to TD171). In fact, the reverse: the motor is larger, the gears are larger and the hammer is larger on the XGT and 10” long GRK’s notice the difference. XGT wasn’t here when I still owned the old and new “Freak” models, but the XDT16’s ran circles around the new one while a toothpick bundled up with masking tape was a more competent impact driver than the original. You showed the control panel in the video and it was set to maximum torque. Knowing Makita’s consistent QC (and, really, only smaller niche companies ship QC inconsistencies) with their products from the inside out, I really doubt they shipped one any different than the one I own. So, my question is, why are my experiences not lined up with the test results? Makita has the least amount of runout by a large margin and with the XGT being at the top. That has something to do with it I suppose. But what else? Would love some input.

I was using 886 for 6 years. While Dewalt was hibernating and Milwaukee couldn't build a collet right, I switched to Makita xdt16z. 4 speeds, 4 modes, convenient programmable mode button above trigger, two lights, glows in the dark, superior collet.

Where can you find our rank lists? torque-test-channel.preview.teespring.com/listing/TTCRankings?product=953 Or FWD any purchase to TorqueRank@gmail.com The Makita was in its highest setting 5:18, we usually test the top few options to make sure. In wood where these are usually employed, impacts-per-min would close a lot of the gap here until they are up against something one driver can move and the other cant, like the tight bolt here. This one tool by no means makes XGT tools "trash", on the contrary it's the 1st one we've seen that isn't a massive standout. Stay tuned to see more. Mode 4 screen grab: i.imgur.com/nPHMxzj.png

you and project farm should start collabing and sharing some of the tools and resources. would be very interesting

My mother got me a dewalt atomic tool set as a wedding gift. Came with a sawzall, impact driver, angle grinder, drill driver and two batteries. Im in no way a professional of even an amateur handy man but they are more than adequate form me as a first-time homeowner.

As you suggested, the Makita is basically the 18v version driver rewired for 40V. Certainly not a recommended purchase by me, and I've avoided stocking it for this reason. They may be working on a new one, but this one is basically a filler for if you don't have anything but the 40V tool.

I recently replaced my Dewalt 886 for the 887 and then converted the 886 into a 3/8" wrench driver . I'm a Dewalt loyalist and don't care about who's better...cause it all works for me.

Honestly I've used that Milwaukee driver for driving screws into standard lumber and it's almost too much torque/power for that job. Gotta turn it to it's lowest setting or really feather the trigger

I'm not making any excuses for Makita, I own a plethora of M18, M12 and Dewalt tools, to complement my Makita line up where they lack in selection, but Makitas always been behind in pure power. They're more focused on precision work and longevity over making the most power. I've had the DTD171 since early 2019, and to be honest in the real world, I sometimes have to knock it down to speed 3 because speed 4 is way too fast and uncontrolled or cams out and slips. If i ever need to drive lags or something, that's where I keep the M12 Stubby in my truck to come in and do those jobs. 1/4 impacts aren't a do-it-all tool, even though you CAN do a lot with them doesn't mean you should.

An impact driver is for driving screws and fine adjustment… as an electrician. I found the makita xgt so much better for that with it’s fine tuning…. You literally explained it yourself with the other 3/4” driver being available if you actually wanna socket some bolts. I feel like this is testing a single very small aspect of what makes a good impact driver

Think the makita one is just so people dont have to lug around 18 and 40v tools and batteries. In a real situation you rarely need mote beans than the makita delivers. Then id assume they just get a impact wrench.

You guys should test some 3/8 drive impact wrenches. Unless I'm missing them I don't think you have. I feel like it would be pretty interesting to see how they compare to the bigger sizes

Great videos but I disagree with one thing reverse can be very important as well depending on what type of trade you’re in I’m a mechanic I disassemble almost everything with my Dewalt, but I cannot put everything back together with my Dewalt. Some stuff has to be assembled by hand. Keep up the great work.

Your chart illustration is light years ahead of everybody else. Love it .

This DCF850 is my new Favorite impact driver. didnt do bad at all in this video

Really not sure why dewalt would change the selector for the impact wrenches but not the impact driver 🤦‍♂️ Maybe if there is an XR version they will add it

It would be great to see more on the Flex tool line. I decided to switch from my 18V Makita over to the 24V Flex, until more of the Makita 40V line is released, tested and reviewed. I'm a builder by trade and can quickly sift through the gimmicks. I think Flex is on to something good.

Very good comparison with torque meter👍👍👍🙂🤝🤝🤝

In my line of work, dragging a 1/2" air hose attached to a 1/4" ratchet all around vehicle, taking off small body panels, various other broken parts, huge pain in rectal orifice. I've grown so accustomed to my 12yr old Ryobi brushed impact driver, I won't go back to the hosedragger(and I've used a work buddies new DeWalt.! It's got twice the power of my old Ryobi, and it's 1/2 the size.!?). If I had $5,000.00 to blow on tools, I'd have 2 of each 1/4",3/8",1/2"(in case of breakage.) impacts, and a single 3/4" drive impact, and ratchets, and 90°,3/8" impact drivers.

I hope Makita CEO watches this, calls a meeting and shows his engineers. "like yo guys wtf is this"

People need to remember that these are impact drivers not impact wrenches. They are not for doing work on mechanical items like forklifts, snowmobile’s and car engines. Why do you think it is the manufactures don’t give us longer warranties on them because people treat them like impact wrenches and they break down. These impact drivers are for driving screws into wood for carpentry work, for deck work, Not for tearing an engine apart or putting one back together again or taking the Lugnuts off your jeep or your truck, use an impact wrench for that! so don’t complain if they break down Because you’re misusing them.

Wow!!! My 2 favorite brands, I use both, some tools are better from one brand, and some are better from the other.

I have an older version of the Makita impact driver, the XDT13Z and it's already got too much torque with the 1500 inch lbs. It regularly snaps off high end bits, especially the ones I use a lot, the 1/2, 3/8, and 1/4 socket drivers. I've destroyed a lot of phillips bits with it too. I use the Milwaukee bits because they're supposed to be the best, and I think they probably are, but it still twists them in half with a 3 ah battery on it. I understand the big torque numbers demanded from the 1/2, 3/4 and 1 inch impacts because they're going to be able to take those big torque numbers on the mandrel, but on these little 1/4" hex guys, I don't get it. Bigger isn't always better.

I'm glad I imported that newest Japanese 18v driver last year. Good to see that it's still top of the Makita heap 😎

I’ve never paid full price for a tool, but this Atomic is one that I would actually consider.

Milwaukee is KING in power tools.

Different sizes and different Nm powers, the milwaukee 226Nm, but the Dewalt 205Nm and its noticeably smaller body are capable of nearly the same power as the milwaukee. This is why I chose dewalt.

As a complete system - Milwaukee has no real competition. The only reason cordless tools have made the leaps they have is because of Milwaukee. Dewalt would still be happily selling their 18v Nicad stick pack tools if Milwaukee Fuel didn’t embarrass them.

i think maybe you have a dodgy makita, iv seen multiple tests with the 40v going head to head with the 18v japanese ones and it beats them...

This test was awesome. I was surprised by Dewalt and shocked by Makita. On the end all 3 brands are good.

Bought the DeWalt 850, tool only, at Home Depot yesterday (November 16, 2021). $99.00 I don't know how long that deal will last...but if you read this close to the date above, you can jump on it!

Nice job with testing. I have and love that milwaukee, but if I were team yellow I'd be quite excited for the super compact impact.

Awesome testing as always guys! I'm sure glad that I didn't buy Makita's first attempt at the 40v "xgt" impact driver as it seems a bit underwhelming compared to td172. I absolutely love my Japanese 18V td172 and this test definitely makes me appreciate it even more after seeing it slightly beat the new DeWalt on raw beans alone here.

The 3ah 2100 cells provide higher discharge rate vs the 4ah. You either get more capacity or more discharge.

Milwakee only 18v is a monster 🔥🔥🔥💪💪💪

The Milwaukee levels off but the Dewalt keeps climbing in power

Would really like to see how the dewalt dcf840 and even the old dcf886 would compare to the atomic. I know the 840 advertises less torque but for much less $$ and a higher IPM, might be serious competition.

After having used Milwaukee and DeWalt impacts everyday for years I found Milwaukee's having issue with camming out on fasteners a lot more than DeWalt does. That little extra power looks good on paper but in the real world a number of times it is actually non beneficial.

Glad all my tools are red. Milwaukee are performers and bomb proof

Okay at which point an Impact drill is too short, that dewalts battery extends further than the chuck. You're going to be hitting your work piece with the battery before the fastener is all the way in. I know you can use long bits, but cmon,

I bought the new DeWalt drill for $99 at Home Depot you just got a look for it.

Can you guys compare brushed vs brushless from the same company? Like the milwaukee 18v brushed impact driver vs brushless impact driver. I assume brushless is quite a bit better, and I suspect the M12 brushless may be close to the M18 brushed? And of course do the other major brands as well.

If you listen to the audio the makita seems to noticeably bog down. I wonder if they messed up with the motor controller.

I have a feeling you have the makita on the wrong setting. Unless I have a different version to you. Mine has a blue and green light on when it's on the full beans setting. Instead of pressing the button which changes the lights where it's numbered 1 to 4. There is a button on the other side. You may already have it on this setting, it's hard to see when you test it.

You really just can't argue with the milwaukee.. every test I see it in that tests it's power and utility, they dominate .

Milwaukee is for us professionals.

Man that intro song almost makes me cry every time

@torquetestchannel at 9:56 the DeWalt was still climbing at the 10sec mark where the Gen3 had plateaued. So it is possible the DeWalt would have matched it with 11 more ftlbs.

Me: eating lunch at work, has Milwaukee gen 3 driver. Sees torque test channel post driver video Me: perks up in chair and gives little foot taps of excitement

I just picked up a bare tool dcf850 for $70. Pretty pumped to use it. At this point, you may as well not even have a small impact wrench and just have impact drivers for things like lug nuts.

I'm late to the party, but it seems highly likely that the Makita had a programed profile defining max impact capability, due to it being sufficient (generally) for what it's intended for; however, on the flip side, not cranking it as much power means or can run a lot longer!

Damnit, dude. You should see Ridgid's baby impact driver. I would love to see some of their stuff in the lineup here...

maybe you should add a torque per weight rating aswell for these smaller or mid size tools. I think its important to consider.

Just got the same Atomic kit you have for $130, great to see the price dropping after a year.

Cool tests. To get more complete 'performance' result, there should be a power test as well. You know, torque x speed = power. Some of the lower torque devices can screw in some things faster when the real power is similar.

Re do the test with the power stack battery's. They were made to go with new tech in tools(dcf850b) for way more power then standard lithium batterys

About to torture the 850 with a fence project and an 8AH battery. Will let you know when the smoke comes out. 😁

Now I just have to choose between Milwaukee and Bosch. Thanks

Fantastic, been looking forward to more 1/4 hex drivers!

Torque test is not the only test for these tools. The motor IPM and RPM with its battery voltage for its torque output should be engineering test data. I only consider the Milwaukee as the Professional tool with 5 years warranty longer than Dewalt and Makita. Dewalt and Makita are trader working tools.

I don’t know but I prefer to have less power on the bit. If I use the higher power settings I get a lot more destroyed bits.

Nice test as usual! To me they seem close enough that i’d go for the least expensive. Any would serve it’s owner well I think.

Thank you for this information... The Home Depot has this Dewalt compact driver (bare tool) for $99

i'm noticing that most of the xgt lineup is just to offer the tool in xgt compatible form so the customer can optionally only hassle with just the one battery type. personaly not a fan of the 40v max's 10s config requiring quite a large battery pack, but it'd be nice to see makita give the lxt line some love, even if it broke compatibility with their older lxt tools

You can't beat the value of Dewalt. Run my tools hard, always ready for the task. Plus black and yellow looks so much better. 😀

you are not the only getting those underwhelming results with the xgt. 18v XDT16 performs better than the xgt. This is a homerun for Dewalt. Edit: unfortunately the dewalt tends to overheat easily. I have a feeling you can smoke the 850 just like the 887

Im going to buy the Japan only makita TD002G. Its made in japan, and can remove 300-350ft/lb fasteners. I found it on ebay for $170.

thanks a lot for your efforts, really appreciated... plz if u can test Kobalt XTR impact driver.

Just bought one of the new dewalt dcf850 bare tool for $99 at Home Depot Black Friday sale, better hurry because they only put out 10 and a hour later only had 4 left

OK didn’t realize you had this video I bought the tool sent you an email thanks for the review because I bought it more because of the size of the Tool