Total War: SHOGUN 2 1vs1: Shogitai (FOTS) vs Shimazu Katana Hero

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Total War: SHOGUN 2 1vs1: Shogitai (FOTS) vs Shimazu Katana Hero
Clan: Aizu vs Shimazu
Battle Difficulty: normal
*Note: Shimazu Katana Heroes have +3 melee attack, +2 melee defense, and +2 charge bonus when compared to their standard counterparts.
Shogitai are similar to katana kachi, but with better melee attack, charge bonus, defense, and morale. In exchange, they have poorer armor and are more expensive to train and maintain. In practice, they are superior to Katana Kachi in every meaningful way in combat: a vast majority of units in Fall of the Samaurai use guns, which ignore armor, or melee, against which armor has limited benefit, so the weak armor of the shogitai means little. In multiplayer, they are also limited to three regiments. Shogitai have far superior melee skill to all ranged infantry in Fall of the Samurai, and are certain to cause heavy casualties if they can close the gap without sustaining too many casualties first. They can achieve this by hiding behind hills or in dense forests, charging and exposing themselves to gunfire at the last moment. Shogitai are thus very beneficial for defending forts, where they often aren't exposed to much fire. Conversely, shogitai are highly vulnerable to ranged attacks. They are also vulnerable to being attacked by cavalry thanks to their lack of an anti-cavalry bonus. Shogitai are considered Shogunate units by the game, and so are instantly disbanded if the player controlling them chooses to declare themselves independent upon realm divide. Imperial factions can still bribe shogitai to their cause using Ishin Shishi: a valuable endeavor given their status as the best melee infantry in the game. As Shogunate units, shogitai benefit from the global discount provided by high level Shinsengumi. While shogitai can only be recruited in the mid-game at earliest thanks to their steep building requirements, the Obama and Sendai begin the campaign with one unit of Shogitai.
Like other hero units, Katana Heroes are limited to one regiment, and have a scant number of men. They make up for this with superlatively good statistics, boasting superb attack, defense, charge, and morale. Their morale of 40 means that they often fight to the last man, should the need arise. Their armor is a cut above that of Katana Samurai, making bow fire less effective against them. However, their limited numbers make them vulnerable to armor-piercing matchlocks, and their status as katana infantry makes them vulnerable to cavalry despite their superior attributes. Shimazu Katana Heroes have +3 melee attack, +2 melee defense, and +2 charge bonus when compared to their standard counterparts. They are also cheaper to train and maintain (at 1,500/200 respectively rather than the standard 1,600/250). When trained by the Date Clan, Katana Heroes have +2 charge bonus.
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@oskarpalus2846
@oskarpalus2846 2 жыл бұрын
shogitai are not that much less expensive than hero, and straight head-on charge was to their advantage. If anything, im surprised hero almost broke them. Heroes also improve morale and are better mixed with other units to tank the charge.
@64102102
@64102102 2 жыл бұрын
Katana hero only lost 2 men to the Shogitai banzai charge though
@MrPathorn
@MrPathorn 2 жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention that Shogitai are available at start, and is Subjected to FOTS economy where everything building cost 5000+ Kokus lol. They will destroy any unit when closed the distance but before that they are the same level as Spear Levy. They also Lacked armor, a trait of FoTS units (Since guns kills anything but Bulletproof Samurai in one hit anyway). So if they fight with Bow units (There's only Bow Ki and Bow Kachi). While Katana Hero needs Legendary Sword Dojo. and Sword Research, which by that time you would have won the game already.
@TotalWar1vs1
@TotalWar1vs1 2 жыл бұрын
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@liszarezo3658
@liszarezo3658 2 жыл бұрын
Shimazu Hero have(vs normal hero): + 3 melee + 2 charge + 2 defence not much on paper, but hit hard.
@TotalWar1vs1
@TotalWar1vs1 2 жыл бұрын
Agree!
@Rohit-tp7qx
@Rohit-tp7qx 2 жыл бұрын
Meele defence and armour is over power in meele
@wattozzchimera1956
@wattozzchimera1956 2 жыл бұрын
Katana Hero aka field inspiring katana unit. To be honest, when using Katana Hero i always pair them with at least 2 unit of Katana Samurai, let the Samurai charge and then the Hero. Work surprisingly well with Shimazu buff.
@TotalWar1vs1
@TotalWar1vs1 2 жыл бұрын
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@gizmodud7267
@gizmodud7267 2 жыл бұрын
I imagine them like aspiring champions or like some form of monstrous unit from Warhammer total war, alone they can't fight the sustained combat but when they have a bunch of sponges tanking the dmg, they buff and do a ton of dmg.
@wattozzchimera1956
@wattozzchimera1956 2 жыл бұрын
@@gizmodud7267 That is actually what i imagine about them when i build them as well.
@genghiskhan6809
@genghiskhan6809 2 жыл бұрын
Holy fuck. I did not expect the katana heroes to do that well against shogitai. Now I can only imagine the horror story that would be having shogitai being buffed and supported by katana heroes.
@TotalWar1vs1
@TotalWar1vs1 2 жыл бұрын
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@imgvillasrc1608
@imgvillasrc1608 2 жыл бұрын
*Shogitai getting stomped in melee* Ranged units: "Stings doesn't it?"
@TotalWar1vs1
@TotalWar1vs1 2 жыл бұрын
😈
@Montaggg33
@Montaggg33 2 жыл бұрын
Shogitai are simply too numerous, I guess
@liszarezo3658
@liszarezo3658 2 жыл бұрын
I they don't lose general, they could wipe out all Katana hero. Shimazu katana hero in on another level compared to other hero.
@liszarezo3658
@liszarezo3658 2 жыл бұрын
Random fakt about Shimazu : Sutegarami - suicide rearguard squad tactic . When They lose battle, unit like Shimazu katana hero in game charge on enemy buying time to regroup. Usually all unit member die, but enemy were hit hard.
@tushigbat5758
@tushigbat5758 2 жыл бұрын
So reqruiting some disloyal retainers son as sutegamari to make him do everything not to make daimyo lose😈😈😈
@liszarezo3658
@liszarezo3658 2 жыл бұрын
@@tushigbat5758 This is metod to restore honor (like seppuku), so they will be happy do this (Shimazu retainer sure, other...rather yes).
@GigaChadBrooskie
@GigaChadBrooskie Жыл бұрын
They got wiped out but they made the enemy pay a heavy price.
@TotalWar1vs1
@TotalWar1vs1 Жыл бұрын
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@dancingsilence7828
@dancingsilence7828 2 жыл бұрын
Damn almost won, thanks for doing my idea ^_^
@TotalWar1vs1
@TotalWar1vs1 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your idea mate! Feel free to suggest more matchups.
@yosephandika6134
@yosephandika6134 2 жыл бұрын
i just realized in hundreds of hour i play shogun 2 there are many unit i did not try to use as i stick to bow samurai to the end
@TotalWar1vs1
@TotalWar1vs1 2 жыл бұрын
You should try to recruit all types of units for fun and collection. I always do it as an achievement.
@neiretzlik4337
@neiretzlik4337 2 жыл бұрын
I like how pro-shogunate is listed as a religion in Wiki lmao
@cyrusthagreat6649
@cyrusthagreat6649 2 жыл бұрын
Well in the FOTS expansion Pro-Shogunate and Pro-Emperor take the place of Shintoism, Ikko-Ikki faith and Christianity from the grand campaign since religion is no longer relevant compared to choice of sides in the Boshin War.
@Paisly_
@Paisly_ 2 жыл бұрын
Dude, how fast are you uploading these?
@TotalWar1vs1
@TotalWar1vs1 2 жыл бұрын
About 5-7 vids a day. Because my videos are short and simple :D
@BaconHer0
@BaconHer0 2 жыл бұрын
One thing I dislike about Shogun 2 battle mechanic is that units will politely queue up and 1v1 each other for the sake of the mocap animations. In MTW2 and other TWs you'd have all free adjacent guys beat up a single enemy if within reach. So in S2:TW, a high stats low entity count unit can decimate a mob because they just go in one at a time
@arethmaran1279
@arethmaran1279 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like somebody knows nothing about glorious and honorabru single combat.
@souppiyas6987
@souppiyas6987 2 жыл бұрын
Not quite like that. The one that get surrounded will have debuff like lower melee defense and die easier. Higher entity has some advantage.
@simonnachreiner8380
@simonnachreiner8380 Жыл бұрын
That’s actually an example of reality being unrealistic. In reality unless multiple are used to fighting together against a single opponent they’re actually more likely to get in each other’s way. Because of that the mass 1v1 combat is actually realistic for most units. The only one that I would say would be inaccurate is the Yari Ashigaru as spear units are constantly drilled to fight as a unit and have no excuse outside of Yari wall to not just surround a dude and stab him to death.
@BaconHer0
@BaconHer0 Жыл бұрын
@@simonnachreiner8380 Not really. The closest analogue we have of this today is riot police vs rioters. Trained combatants don't break rank and 1v1 like they do in this iteration of the total war engine. If they do breakoff and get isolated, the closer side will swarm the individual and carry them off (or whack them to submission) - this is because no matter how skilled you are, you will be at a disadvantage when fighting multiple opponents. Getting isolated, straying from formation is death Furthermore, the actual point I was trying to make is that units take turns hitting a target even if they already have the target surrounded. You can see in the vid that there are individuals surrounded by 3 opponents. Some of these opponents are facing the back of their target, and have a clear unimpeded chance to strike the back of their enemy - but they do not - instead, they wait around for their target to finish an earlier attack animation, roll away, then switch to a different opponent while leaving his back exposed again to a different guy IRL, he would have been stabbed in the back as soon as he presented that opportunity to his opponents
@liszarezo3658
@liszarezo3658 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, they slaughter them faster than gatlling gun.
@falmire.
@falmire. 2 жыл бұрын
shogitais are op damn, can even beat long yari
@frost3193
@frost3193 2 жыл бұрын
Those battle, death animations are so cool and slick af
@TotalWar1vs1
@TotalWar1vs1 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, so brutal! 😈
@Marci-Ana-GMM
@Marci-Ana-GMM 2 жыл бұрын
So the drunken samoorai, path is more strong than the bushido samurai path.or is because the numbers? Bannerlord have the same logic, you know, Elite foot cataphrac (a type of heavy cavalry knight) gets beaten by 10 looters or peaseants.
@TotalWar1vs1
@TotalWar1vs1 2 жыл бұрын
😈
@eleliot1200
@eleliot1200 2 жыл бұрын
@@TotalWar1vs1WTF is this?
@TotalWar1vs1
@TotalWar1vs1 2 жыл бұрын
@@eleliot1200 What do you mean?
@Rymeths
@Rymeths 2 жыл бұрын
Of course they do, everyone would. The most efficient and safest way to kill a dismounted knight was to wrestle him to the ground with multiple people and pin him while one stabs out his eyes
@user-jw6kc6kg2i
@user-jw6kc6kg2i 2 жыл бұрын
For the Shogun!
@WuW0w0-m8m
@WuW0w0-m8m 2 жыл бұрын
This unit is nodachi lvl. Edit: wow they lost so many bruh …..
@A.Martinez152
@A.Martinez152 2 жыл бұрын
Why do my FOTS trooos speak like their Vanilla Shogun 2 counterparts imstead of broken english? Is it because I have the game in Spanish?
@TotalWar1vs1
@TotalWar1vs1 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe a bug, you should reinstall the game.
@A.Martinez152
@A.Martinez152 2 жыл бұрын
@@TotalWar1vs1 but that also happened on my father's pc
@TotalWar1vs1
@TotalWar1vs1 2 жыл бұрын
@@A.Martinez152 I don't know. Anyone can help?
@A.Martinez152
@A.Martinez152 2 жыл бұрын
@@TotalWar1vs1 maybe it's cause my game's in Spanish
@A.Martinez152
@A.Martinez152 2 жыл бұрын
it was that
@user-wj1ee7hj3v
@user-wj1ee7hj3v 2 жыл бұрын
Я вот смотрю на это и думаю какой же офигенный тотал вар, прорисована каждая анимация бойцов не то что в новых тотал вар Warhammer.
@TotalWar1vs1
@TotalWar1vs1 2 жыл бұрын
👍👍
@HenryElfin
@HenryElfin 2 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile shogitai at the back were like: I'm so tired with all the cheering, guess I'll run away
@TotalWar1vs1
@TotalWar1vs1 2 жыл бұрын
😈
@dovah1216
@dovah1216 2 жыл бұрын
Shogun total war have the best battlefield combat system ever
@TotalWar1vs1
@TotalWar1vs1 2 жыл бұрын
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@faintsmile363
@faintsmile363 2 жыл бұрын
bro will you upload medieval 2 clips
@TotalWar1vs1
@TotalWar1vs1 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, here my playlist: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sNWfa7porpi4ZmQ.html
@MrLolx2u
@MrLolx2u 2 жыл бұрын
Katana Hero: Quick. We have to get to the battlefield as fast as possible so we can go back and protect our lord! RUN MEN! Shogitai: *Been spending most our lives livin' in the gangster's paradise! Been wastin' most our lives livin' in a gangster's paradise!*
@TotalWar1vs1
@TotalWar1vs1 2 жыл бұрын
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@charlieroberts8068
@charlieroberts8068 2 жыл бұрын
Seems stupid that a Melee hero unit that costs far more to field cant beat a normal unit of swords. shows the lack of balancing between the original game and the fall of samurai expansion but still cool to watch!
@matiasmattera6650
@matiasmattera6650 2 жыл бұрын
The problem with hero units is their low unit number. Their stats are really good but they just get overwhelm by sheer numbers while facing any other unit, each hero can kill many normal soldiers but for every hero that dies the unit itsself suffer much more than a regular unit, because every hero lost is a huge lose in dps capability. They could potentially be good if mix among other unit, like, let other unit take the first charge and then charge the heroes after that into the moshpit.
@user-zz1sk5go5i
@user-zz1sk5go5i 2 жыл бұрын
Hero units can be very useful, every pro player use them in multiplayer
@MrPathorn
@MrPathorn 2 жыл бұрын
Shogitai is not Normal Unit, you need T3 dojo and Shogunate Allegiance
@TotalWar1vs1
@TotalWar1vs1 2 жыл бұрын
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@prabalmishra9528
@prabalmishra9528 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think that the AI used Hold firm ability
@isexuallyidentifyasukraini5407
@isexuallyidentifyasukraini5407 2 жыл бұрын
Quantity > quality
@alextremo3784
@alextremo3784 2 жыл бұрын
??? The shogitai arent that low friend
@deVeresd.Kfz.1515
@deVeresd.Kfz.1515 2 жыл бұрын
Shogitai would be both. They're extremely good at defending castles when under siege; they could probably kill up to 500 enemies before routing
@daveduong8022
@daveduong8022 Жыл бұрын
@@deVeresd.Kfz.1515 For some mysterious reason, AI don't like to attack me when I put Shogitai in my castles. They just sieged me and wait until my garrison troops ran out of food and surrendered. So instead of shogitai, I put Katana Kachi with melee attack upgrade in my castles. AI eagerly took the fights without hesitating and got slaughtered. Katana Kachi are much cheaper to train and upkeep, have better armor (sometimes enemy bring bow/bow cav kachi and/or capture arrow towers). After +4 melee attack upgrade (training camp building chain) and having +1 level (samurai dojo tier 3), Katana Kachi can be as good as Shogitai in melee. That said, enemy Shogitai are absolute chad in melee and they are always top priority of my ranged units.
@valden_kanlaaris
@valden_kanlaaris Жыл бұрын
Их боялись даже сёгитай. Самые безбашенные самураи клана Симадзу за всю историю игры.
@TotalWar1vs1
@TotalWar1vs1 Жыл бұрын
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@petruluca6124
@petruluca6124 8 ай бұрын
You really don't know how to play the game if you don't strech the katana hero in a thin like, in a real battle. For the charge bonus
@TotalWar1vs1
@TotalWar1vs1 8 ай бұрын
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