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This video has helped my deep arm position soo much! I was a classic late wrist set / collapsing right arm case and now my position is so much better along with impact / compression.

This is an awesome video. Doing the drills I have a totally different feeling than what I have been doing for years. This (correct) right arm movement is so much simpler. Amazing.

I know a little bit about the golf swing and watch quite a few videos kinda for fun and most all of them just dont quite get there. You guys however are unique and really communicate the correct information and back it up with your research with gears. Your fundamental knowledge of the golf swing is second to none. Thank you for your time. I hope to one day get the chance to come see you guys.

I'm a little late to this party but I believe this has been a topic several times. My swing motion (and ball striking) have improved enough in the course of watching/listening to you guys that I have some of my golf buddies asking what I have been working on. My instinct is to say - the backswing. I'm convinced that getting into the correct position at the top (however far back that is) makes it almost natural to go back to the ball without having to think about it too much. They all tell me I have shortened up my backswing but it doesn't feel like it. Of course, the reason they are asking is that I am consistently hitting the tee shorts further and I'm rarely chasing the resulting shot into the trees the way they are used to seeing. I have a lot further to go but I credit the improvement to my time spent with your videos. Thanks, guys. TW

This concept of lifting and keeping the arms in front of the right shoulder while turning the torso has improved my ball striking immensely. Thanks.

'squeezed' is good... Thanks for this vid, really fine piece of work

One of your best videos yet! Explanation so spot on and the drills great.

Pure gold

So so good stuff. Thanks as always.

Single most helpful concept for me. Brilliant. Especially referencing Jim Waldron. To see you guys confirm his thinking is really huge for me, as I really respect your stuff.

The checkpoint standing up and seeing where your hands are compared with right shoulder super helpful!

Great tip thx

Love your work. Thanks for the channel.

Love this video 😍 This is exactly what me and my coach are working on Not getting trapped behind myself but lifting my hands and right elbow too high

That is so helpful. It surely clears up what should be occurring with great checks on the true position your body should be in.

This combined with the left arm video have transformed my game. Came back from a year without hitting a ball and shot par by just practicing these two videos. Normally play at about a 4-5 hcp. You guys are amazing!

Thanks

Brilliantly explained this guys cheers

Thanks guys, that was an excellent illustration of where the trail arm position is on the back swing.

This position focus and drill have explained so well why my 'pulling' across my chest is wrong. I've felt my left shoulder almost separate by pulling my arm across my chest trying to get further 'back'. Thanks guys and my left shoulder thanks you too!

May be the very best golf video ever! Says it all!! Great, doable drills too!! Thanks guys!

3 fantastic drills. Just bought the live view golf and can’t believe how different my swing feels and looks. Definitely need to do these! Thanks guys

You guys are churning out really solid instruction. Keep up the good work.

You guys are great! I believe you have the best instruction on KZfaq period!

Wow, timing is great! Yesterday my 15 yr old was taking his right arm back inside and created an over the top down swing, these drills is just what he needs! Thanks again!

Just had my mind blown by the second drill. I have been tucking my elbow this whole time and getting stuck. Wow, just wow! Thx

Excellent

You said something very key about letting the arm wing out just a tad. I was not getting the throwing feeling because I was trying to keep the forearms together as close as possible. Great video.

Hey guys, thanks very much for your informative videos. I saved all of it so I can watch over and over again when I feel I need to check my swings.

You guy's are amazing. Thank you so much.

Huge! Thanks for the videos!

You have taught me well, came out correctly. Thanks

The feeling you get when you find a teaching method + teachers that work perfectly for you....amazing. The feeling you get when it makes you realize you have merely "gotten by" with a faulty swing for the last few years....priceless ;-) Yet another great gem. LOL that you guys almost missed the very last drill which made me realize how bad my right hand position had gotten.

Love you guys

Excellent!

wow i cant get enough or your videos, this is outstanding and so easy... great drills!

Great share gents.

great instruction gentlemen!

what a great video. I realized how little arm lift i had in my golf swing. Great stuff guys! Keep up the good work.

Wow. I totally get why people say don’t lift now. Gets my arms way in front of my right shoulder when I remove the rotation. Thinking of just letting that right elbow pivot to be the focal point of the backswing gets me in a great spot and it feels intuitive to gradually increase the bend in my right arm. Thanks guys.

I've learned so much from you guys. All those little fixing my swing. It's not perfect but the form looks much better than without you guys tips. Thanks

It makes me chuckle when you get your words mixed up, great content guys, keep up the brilliant work, love it!!

Amazing technical content for those who seeks this level of detail!

Another bomb lesson guys thanks again!🙏🙏🙏 I’m way too deep trying to create depth!

Great 👍 stuff fellas...brilliant

Great video guys.

This is CRAZY! Drill 2 has blown my mind from a concept point of view!

This is exactly what I was looking for. Instantly better. I think I was moving my arms "deeper" in an effort to create more speed/power. In effect I was probably killing my speed/power

You guys are the best golf instructors on youtube!

I would say the most important take away instruction I have seen or probably from anyone. Puts me in the correct top position.

This helped me point out I need a bit more backswing height and not depth. My hands ended up in front of my shoulder plane but a hair below the middle of my shoulder. Something to work on in practice, thanks guys!

I'm going to work on these drill while I'm in lockdown 🧑‍🎓. 🤞 It will help my back swing getting trapped behind and over swinging like John Daly!! The third drill feels like the perfect back swing🏌️

Weird as it may sound, I actually "feel" like I'm flexing my right bicep up as I rotate my right shoulder back. I was led to believe so long that the right arm causes so many problems in the swing that I became deathly afraid of my right arm having any major role in my swing. All that being said, it's just like what was mentioned in the video-you have to rotate the torso back and flex the trailing arm up. This is the key that unlocks the natural movement that occurs in the downswing. Although you may "feel" that your right side is dominating the swing at first, the left side actually drives the downswing very naturally.

I think the 3rd drill is a good one to combine with Baby Steps and other pressure shift drills. As always, great stuff!

Love the videos . Best on KZfaq. Can you please do a video with some drills on how to get the hands inline with the trail leg. I think I saw in a video you said it was to do with lead arm abduction ? This video will help me heaps as my hand are always behind the trail head and no matter what I do I can't improve it

I was consciously trying not to go outside my shoulder and with the Drill to check your position I still was 3 inches outside of my shoulder. I would have continued the rest of my life doing it incorrectly. What an amazing video. Thank you

Great ideas-first I’ve seen to mention and bring into discussion the arm swing illusion. Trying to turn more really has compromised my top of swing position. 5 stars tip.

that's me getting the right elbow and arm collapsed and behind me, been working on it for years. this should really help, thnx.

guys, this is without a doubt for me one of the most important things to get right in my swing, i can't believe what a change it made. i never knew how bad i was until i saw it on a video, real ugly and inconsistent. now i gotta groove it., one of the things i'm practicing with is an elastic elbow brace with velcro and it keeps me from bending the elbow too much. i am also using your drills and swing thought.

Excellent at clarifying many misconceptions. One question- some teach having right forearm completely vertical or even pointing behind while in posture- seems to require extreme flexibility- you're ok with right forearm pointing forward while n posture? Also- ok to allow right elbow to begin to bend as you start takeaway?

Phil Ritson a genius golf teacher! Leadbetter learned everything from him!

Straight to the range with that drill!

I can’t believe I’ve been playing 30 years and didn’t know this. This will help some other issues like being across the line at the top and getting too shallow in downswing. Hopefully my body will allow it to happen. Thanks guys. I always recommend you all. I guess I didn’t remember you saying why it’s so bad to use the arms to create depth. Just bc pros don’t do it I guess should be enough of an answer. Lol

You guys should give an example of what every drill looks like if you were to do it from an upright standing position. It really helps to visualise hand, arm, body, leg positions without the tilt. For eg your hand speed video (showing how you can either shallow - extending right arm; or steepen - bending right arm more) would be great to see how this looks from a upright standing position, as this would show how the right arm extends without moving back or forward of its position relative to the body (and would evidence where the hands will be just before impact, in relation to your thighs)

Ill be trying this next time I'm at the range

Great tips I was trapped for so long and flipping at impact

Its crazy how much the Down the target line vs down the hand line causes issues for so many good golfers trying to imitate pros.

Since this video started with a bunch of left hand right hand talk. A great suggestions being a lefty would be to refer to to the arms and legs in the golf swing as leading or trailing or front or back

The right one arm drill is also excellent for staying on plane for both back and downswing. its natural with no swing thoughts.

Thanks guy, I’m always fishing for positions 😂

Great stuff! My problem is a bit more nuanced from this…My backswing is fine, not full. But, I keep the triangle well and swing back pretty much on a single plane (think Sergio Garcia). However, on my downswing, it seems that my body and hips start to turn, but my arms at that point lag behind, drop down low, and I wind up looking like I have to pull them from behind me coming from the inside. My misses are flushly hit pushes, or big hooks, with the occasional chunk from coming in so flat from the inside…

Hello Mike and Shaun, I am a big fan of your instructional videos!! I was revisiting your videos on the trail elbow during the during the backswing, because I am searching for your advice on whether the trail elbow should be in a vertical position during the backswing or if it is okay to have the elbow horizontal. I know there are a lot of professionals that have a flying elbow. But I am amateur! So should I focus on having a vertical trail elbow at the top of the backswing and during the downswing? Thank you!

Fantastic guys! - 1. Can you talk about shoulders in the socket or out at address? 2. Can you talk about proper (right) elbow position at impact? So much miss information out there.

Hi AMG chaps-do you have a video describing the left arm movement? Had a search with no luck. Primarily how it rotates (relative to the plane and body) and from which part of the arm; upper arm or forearm or hand? Thanks

This is the medicine for those bad swings with arms ~ great video

I have been pulling my right elbow back on the backswing instead of pointing down while folding upwards while rotating.

This may be the biggest aha moment I've ever had. I know I'm not getting my arms in front most of the time. That drill standing up and removing the pivot is an amazing tell.

that is good advice: don't pinch your elbows in. but, the right elbow has to move back in the direction that it points in at address. tone major problem that causes the "motor pattern" is a faulty grip. so often a player takes it back in the right direction, but then their right elbow comes riding out and they then get to thinking that there must be something wrong with their takeaway. but, the key is to apply the grip secret in the second half of the backswing. when you look at the ben hogan swing 1953, by fernando cano, you can see how hogan's right shoulder, though it pops up in the first part of his backswing, seems to relax and drop down in the second half of his backswing. he did this by applying his grip secret. and, needless to say, a player should never pull the club back with their right hand. there aint no grip secret gonna rescue you if you do that.

Off season is approaching. It'd be cool if you guys could give suggestions for budget, enthusiast and high-end builds for indoor practice stations.

An add-on if I may? Early on my tour friend....yeah, I’m lucky as sin, gave me a drill where I put an alignment stick across my chest with a bungee cord and hit the range for weeks. Worked wonders! Also can you do a video on poor posture and it’s effects? My biggest issue in the back nine. It feels like I lose rotation and my arm collapse at the top

Probably one of your top 3 videos to date. Good stuff boys.

He did not like that twin brother arm joke lol great video again though boys much appreciated

Great video..do you feel the root cause of the right arm / elbow getting deep is due to the right becoming disconnected too much from the upper right pec or the left arms pushing it across the chest too much or a combo of both?

Great tips guys, but no one seems to inform us armatures in what the down swing is created - is it a pull with the left side, or a push with the right side?

Good stuff. Suggestion....change where you stand or change your camera angle. Some of the positions you are teaching on are hard to see due to angle your standing from camera. Thanks!

any other drills for stopping the collapse of the right arm at the top? I know ex tensor action is one but it never works that well.

Elevation, flexion, rotation. Makes for a great basic back swing.

I just sqozed it. 😂. Im keeping that word lol.

Great drills for the backswing which coincidentally I am trying to fix. I have trouble with getting depth and being too steep. I know that the correct way for depth is the shoulder turn. I guess I am struggling with the thought that I need to watch how much the left arm crosses the chest and I think I am overdoing raising the arms in order to not swing that left arm too much against the chest. I think either in this video or another one that the pros on average swing their left arm between 8 and 10 inches across the chest, is that correct thinking? So basically, I think I need to allow that left arm to arc a little more inside during the backswing.? When looking on video if I draw a straight line from the butt of the club down and it lines up with the ankle That is considered good depth?

great vid and drills! i was trapped behind smh.

Who could argue with these wisdoms? Great drills, thanks guys. Collapsing the left arm across the chest in the "fake" turn... driving that right elbow out of position.. easy faults to develop as you age. (trust me) I am wondering, why no mention of right elbow and its relationship to right hip? Keeping that right elbow down and in sync with right hip on the takeaway ...while keeping the proper angle of the right arm.. good thought? Seems like guys like Hogan liked that idea.

Hey guys thanks this is some helpful hints but I'm thinking can you show in gears the initial move the elbow does elevate or does it move laterally from the ball or is it a combination of to the right elbow

Yea, I get it now! And also if you turn back, with your left arm across the chest, you will always come back down, with the face closed!!!!

I wish I could thumb this up a 1000x

When working to adjust this is it normal to feel like the shoulder gets tired feeling after a while from the external rotation stretching? When not used to swinging like this I find that the shoulder is tighter than I realized. It feels worn out after a while of practicing like I’ve been throwing a ball a lot and haven’t in a while. Basically I think shoulder mobility is important to get into the “tray holding” position

I have to add, 99% of your videos are far superior to anything ive seen but this one is like a magic bullet/ light bulb! changes all

Sometimes, when I have a wedge, I'll use the "Kenny Perry drill" swing for that shot. Helps me shallow it out a bit so I don't chunk it on tight lies.

Just checked, and sure enough my hands are waaay outside my right shoulder. This is likely where the late right arm collapse is coming from, and then the dreaded flip at the bottom. From there, you basically hit the ball everywhere other than your intended target.

I get this concept but am having a lot of trouble understanding how to do it. My right arm stays at about 90 degrees to the top but I feel like my back swing is so short up I dont bring my left arm more across my chest.