Unrealistic. In reality, this meeting would never happen, you'd be lucky to even get an email.

Not real, the girl asking this would have been fired lol

Quiet quitting will double starting tomorrow

Then they wonder why "NoBoDy WaNtS tO wOrK aNyMoRe"

Also the CEO is getting a 50 million dollar bonus.

dont forget that this toxic managers are also just employees with upper management bosses that they just also follow

That is when the remaining staff all email their resignations to HR

Why does it feel like CEOs have all seen the same dystopian future movie and thought "what a perfect utopia"?

As soon as it gets busy, the managers always have something to do

Management is where they put the least competent employees

My hospital chain keeps cutting support staff and dumping their duties on the nurses who are trying to do patient care, then expecting the nursing staff to be more responsive to the patients. Then giving extra pay during Covid to every department except nursing. Guess what they got…..pizza. And several died from Covid because they were worked like crazy. Then administration scratches their head and are trying to figure out why there’s a 60% staff turnover and they can’t get nurses to accept a job with them. Thank God I became disabled right before Covid. I was already doing three people’s jobs because they didn’t want to spend the money. It worsened my health so I got out. And so glad I had paid for long term disability insurance.

Companies do this all the time and then wonder why people engage in acting their wage or, as management likes to call it, "quiet quitting". If you lay people off to save money, that better be because the department is under-utilized or I'm following right along with them to get a position somewhere that isn't overburdening me with work at no additional pay so the managers can justify their yearly bonus.

Additional duties as required should not be allowed. It is too open for abuse by the employer.

When the manager indicated she was taking "PTO" (Personal Time Off?), I immediately wondered if this meant that, in fact, she had some job interviews since she realizes that the ship is sinking.

It was the “my door MAY be open this afternoon” that got me 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂

Good news Veronica, you won’t have to worry about additional duties.

I always like how employees think that management actually cares. Hint, they don't

Was in a job that did this. My team amd I let things slide and deadlines not met because of the extra work. Management was seething and knew they could not fire all of our team or their clients would lose it. 6 months after realizing the threats, passive agression amd coercion was not working, managememt finally hired new people to handle the workload. After 3 months of training the newbies, my coworker and I left to better opportunities with a 35% increase in salary. I found out later that two of the toxic senior managers in that company (who were nothing but bullies making vile decisions in the workplace) were fired for gross misconduct. The company approached me to fill one of their roles. I declined. Never working for a company like that. It was riddled with bad managers and abuse enablers.

This has been the strategy for corporate restaurants for years. That's why it's struggling now.

In this situation, do your bare minimum and your full hours. NO MORE!!!

Disgustingly familiar. The whole "well your contract does state" may as well be "remember, you signed your life away because when we draw up contracts we make sure to trap our employees". My heart goes out to everyone having no choice but to remain in a toxic environment.

Oh yeah the CEO's just rented a VIP-lodge in the stadium and bought a membership in a casino and his son's getting a G-wagon for his 16.

Thing is the "toxic manager" in this case is usually a middle manager who has zero say in the matter. Having an attitude and complaining about how unfair it is to them is almost as bad as a customer blaming front line staff for company policy.

These companies don’t care that they are setting themselves up for high turnover and a bad reputation. Oh well.

me: "just throw them on the list of things to get done and i'll get them done when i get to them during my hours, no i'm not doing any unpaid overtime, leave my office or i'll lose track of three hours of work." worked everytime and they kept me till i quit.

LOL, where I worked they fired a secretary, months later the supply drawers were empty and invoices were not sent out. The manager never had this meeting and half the employees was unaware the person had been let go.

Employees get cut but managers remain. If anything the number of managers double.

This shit happens everyday and HR does nothing then they go on PTO

So this is the time to get CV updated and look for another job. Often, when this sort of thing happens, managers are really surprised that half the staff left get new jobs within 6 months.

"No additional compensation" = screwed.

Yeah, I'm doing the duties I'm paid to do. If you lay off people, that's on you to figure out how that extra work will get done.

Literally just had this happen to us. I'm in healthcare.

Never enable this kind of behavior by picking up the slack due to cutting hours. Managers do this to get a bonus and expect eveyone to work harder without compensation. Not okay.

When I was a young guy (20) in the mid 80s a distribution company I worked for did this to us. Increased our labor 30%. No extra salary. I was making $5 an hour. I had no financial obligations so I instantly quit and walked out.

Whoever asks questions is labeled the “troublemaker.”

In the real world, this of course would be following the fact that several employees were let go last year, with their duties being divided among the remaining employees, who never got compensated for those extra duties then. And now are being asked to take on the extra duties again this year with no extra compensation. And those employees can expect to do the same next year when a few other employees are let go and their duties are again divided among the remaining without compensation. Until there is just one employee doing everything for no extra compensation.

This happened at my brother's office.He was a smart one that volunteered to be laid off first

Companies have been doing this for an insanely long time. People put their job on a pedestal above their own lives and dignity. Now you have more options.

This happens a lot. I must have experienced this about 4 times in my career. Now retired thank God.

Current situation at my job and I’m not working any harder. I do my part. They fired people and are now reducing hours. 2 week notices are rampant 😅

I’d like to thank everyone for being here at this mandatory meeting😂. It is funny cause it is true

In my company the Veronicas are the first to get fired

Sigh!!!!😩 This hits home hard! I'm glad I'm retired and do not work for a soulless organization any longer.

My boss would have a stack of resignation on his desk when he got back from PTO.

This happened to me years ago, but I did tell them It's going to take a lot longer to complete my job since I am doing more work, needless to say they didn't give me anything that was time sensitive, so it worked to my advantage that time and made my job less stressful.

Decades ago I worked for an administrator and my particular job ran on a quarterly cycle. 2 months out of the three I worked overtime Monday through Thursday. The remaining month I caught up on grunt work I ignored while busy. Quit 8 days before my first son was born but told them ahead of time I wasn't coming back. Trained my replacement for 3 months. She quit 2 months after I did because it was too much work for 1 person and the low salary. They ended up replacing her with 2 people. So for 8 years I was doing the job of 2 people and getting one salary. So glad people are getting smarter and not letting companies walk all over them. I'm a Boomer and we stayed with horrible employers because there were so many of us we knew we could be replaced in a few days.

Unfortunately this isn’t a toxic manager, this is just life.

This is the crap GenZ is having none of. They’ll just quit and live in their van if they have to. God BLESS those GenZ bastards! 🥰

The next day, just let the answering machine take care of things, then date the pretty girl at the restaurant next door and invite her in to watch Kung fu movies.

In reality if you talk that way to your manager you would be fired.

No... this one is too easy. I would nod and smile and go back to my desk. I wouldn't bust my butt any more or less than I already do at work - I'm an hourly employee, so it wouldn't pay to do so (besides, I work hard already because I like my job). I still would not work one minute of overtime unless it was scheduled and I was getting paid for it. Last minute emergencies would still have to fit my definition of "emergency." And I'd be looking for a new job, because I wouldn't be hopeful for my future if my company cut roughly 30% of my department. But I wouldn't paint a target on my back for the higher ups to take aim at by asking for more compensation after they've just cut 6 people. 😂😂😂

In California you can always say “Not when it is not part of the nature of my job”

Increased responsibilities requires increased compensation. Never do work for free. Dont work off the clock. And balance your work life with time off (regularly scheduled days off, vacation, etc.)

Which is why you can phone a company and ask a question that no employee can answer

Gotta love that line in a job description. In any other duties deem necessary

Now that is classic trickle down economics.

I get the point, but why bother with questions? Obviously this company is not doing well if they pull this stuff without compensating their staff for a known reduction in workforce. Start looking for a new job OR take advantage of the new paradigm and do the bare minimum.

See the way you get through to them on that one is simple.... Wait until they get rid of everyone they want rid of.... Then all remaining employees quit the following day. No call no show no notice no nothing.... Sure they'll scramble to hire NEW people.... But in the meantime they will be loosing money like a leaky radiator and none of the new people know what to do and there is nobody to train them.... Therefore if not killing the business for sure bringing it down far enough to make them regret their previous actions 😂

We're going to cut it here because I am BSing all of you and I can't handle being exposed anymore.

Why aren’t you tagging/ giving credit to the op/ creator? You know it’s Veronika, it’s not a secret.

Can I be amongst the layoffs, please?

This is on the money, no pun intended.

Errrybod is leaving 😂

My door might be open this afternoon 😂😂😂😂😂

It likely wasn’t the manager’s decision, it’s just her that has to deliver the shitty news as ordered by the company owners.

The discinnect in the minds of management is real and it is insane. Exactly how do you exoect this to work? If I take on more work from someone else... BOTH will suffer in quality as I still only have a fixed amount of time. More money doesnt change that but it offsets the suckage at least.

Oh, but the real problem is younger people are lazy and just don't want to work anymore. Note the sarcasm

I would definitely resign at that minute. She wouldn’t even have to keep talking 😂😂she would just see me get up and start walking 🚶🏾‍♀️

Yep. Your co-worker called in tonight and we couldn't get anyone to cover for her so you'll be doing your 8-hours of work as well as her 8-hours, you won't receive any extra compensation nor will you be allowed to work over and claim any overtime. Have a great night. GO TEAM!!!

If a company is failing this will happen. (If this meeting in reality would ever happen) you put in your notice and leave.

Y’know what? Of those six employees being let go? I’m one of ‘em. Duces, lady ✌️

I wouldn't necessarily call this a toxic manager. It's likely they have no say in the matter.

At my first job they had me doing 2 peoples job for 15 an hour bi weekly. I did it for 2.5 years bc I wanted to help out thinking it'll pay off but when I finally refused they still made me do it. At the end they never gave me a raise or promotion and I ended up getting fired due to coming in late bc of all the disrespect and being overworked

Thats pretty spot on. At least, to the idea that they WOULD waste company time to explain this. They usually just speak this bull$#!t only when you ASK why you're told to carry the weight if staff positions no longer present . . . then they take the PTO, or go home EARLY, before they ignore your emails.

The only job I’ve ever had where taking on extra work meant more money was waiting tables.

A good manager ensures that the work load is manageable and not overbearing for its employees, at times boundaries must be pushed but always tries to ensure efficiency, productivity and manageable workloads An incompetent managers tells its employees to “figure it out. And keep it 8 hours, no paid OT”

Good luck trying to get a piece of that extra productivity

Funny when i tried this i just got laid off too funny how that works 😅

Meetings like this are the reason why I kept my resumé updated.

This is not new. In many job expectations and duties, there is a clause that reads "and other duties or tasks as needed." There is no elabration as to whether those tasks are temporary or permanent or relevant to your title or role to your job description/ skill set.

My door MAY be open....

Ask to be one of laid off employees

Haha got laid off for questioning their decisions. Been part of a core team for 6 years. Their stock is still crashing :)

I am a little bit confused. Most of us, unless you are salary, are employed on a hourly basis. You can only do so much work in a single shift, usually 8hr with an unpaid 30min lunch break or a 8.5hr shift with an unpaid lunch break. It is up to your employer to decide what you do inside those 8 hours. IF you have additional duties, you are still getting paid and you are not working for free. However the imposition of additional duties will impact on the existing work you are doing. To use an analogy, if the cup is full then the cup is full. You can only add water if the cup is not already full. If you keep adding water once the cup is full then you will have a mess which you will have to clean up. Additional duties will impact on existing duties. As one manager put it - if you want to implement this project, please identify which projects you no longer need.....

"I VOLUNTEER AS TRIBUTE!" "What?" "Yeah, I volunteer to be one of the six who are laid off. I'll get a severance package, right?" "Well..." "Yeah, and since I refuse to work for a reduction in pay..." "No, you won't be getting less money." "Except, I will, because you'll give me more work, which will require more hours, but at the same amount of daily pay, means I'm being paid less per hour, while having to do more work, facing more stress, more burn-out, and more temptation to DO SOMETHING about it, all with LESS ACTUAL HOURLY PAY. So, no, I'm not going to do that. I will take the severance package and go." "But, you're our most competent employee. You do all your assigned work right the first time, never missing a deadline. You're NOT on the list of lay-offs." "Well, you'd better PUT ME ON THE LIST, because I refuse to take on more work for less pay. If you want to PAY ME WHAT I AM WORTH, I would consider staying, assuming that the added work is NOT overwhelming, and that I can still maintain a reasonable amount of life/work balance, as well as more PTO to help deal with the stress of the added workload." "Nobody is getting more PTO. In fact, anyone below a managerial level..." "Oh, you did not just start to say that you're taking away PTO. Well, it doesn't matter TO ME, because I'm being laid off, anyway." "No, you're not on the list for the lay-offs. You're an excellent worker. Your quality is top-notch, and we need you here. We need you to provide that same level of quality to the increased workload." "You keep talking, but you don't listen. Either lay me off, or fire me for not doing my work, because I REFUSE TO DO MORE WORK THAN I AM CURRENTLY HANDLING. Either way, I'll get unemployment, at least." "But, we don't want you to leave. We want you to stay, and handle the increased workload. at your current excellent standard of quality." " "But you don't want to PAY ME for handling the increased workload at the excellent standard of quality." "Well, yes." "You get what you pay for. If you don't lay me off, then I will either do EXACTLY the same amount of work I am doing right now, at my excellent standard of quality, OR, I will do the additional workload, but all in the same amount of time, meaning that I maintain my hourly pay, by doing more in less time." "That's great! That's what I want to hear." "But doing it in a hurry will inevitably lead to a downturn in quality." "No, see, we want to keep YOU, because of your high quality product." "But you refuse to PAY for the high quality product." "No, we're paying you to perform at the same level of quality you are, right now." "Except you're giving me more work, without more pay, so my only option is to lower the quality, in order to get it all done in the same amount of time, so as to maintain my hourly rate of pay." "Nononono. You are supposed to take on the extra work, with a smile, and do it, to the same quality. Just put in some extra hours, to show your loyalty to the company." "And what is the company doing to show their loyalty to me?" "We're keeping you on. You're not on the list for lay-offs." "I volunteer for a layoff." "But, we don't want to lay you off!" "And I don't want to work more for less pay." "But, your contract states that you WILL take on more work as requested and required." "My contract states that I CAN LEAVE, because I am NOT your slave and legal property." "Well..." "Uh huh." "But..." "Figure it out for yourself. Pay me my worth, or don't pay me at all. There is no Door #3." "OK, so, the six people ON THE LIST will be let go, and their workloads will be divided up amongst all the other workers, EXCEPT VERONICA." All the other workers: "Oh, hell no! That's EVEN MORE extra work for no more pay! I VOLUNTEER FOR TRIBUTE!" "No,! FIRE ME!" "I DEMAND TO BE LAID OFF FIRST!"

Hey, Starbucks! This is exactly what you are doing, fyi. Just in case you didn't realize what your decisions are doing to those of us that your company depends on to keep it running.

And if she quit, that would be one less person to fire. Win win for the company.

Im getting flashbacks. Its uncanny....

Sounds eerily familiar...

sounds like schools in Rowan Salisbury, teachers get before school duty and after school duty like taking tickets at sporting events with NO additional pay

Welcome to working for dollar tree.

I know of a place where this happened a few years ago. No kidding at all!

Oh yeah.....the PTO situation 🙄

Go to your contract and say, this is not part of my duties. If you want to include it, I request a raise.

Actually other duties as required only covers reasonable asks. You can't require a bookkeeper to do janitorial work for example. It's not a reasonable duty given their job standards. Additionally reasonable duties does restrict to the scope of the position at the time the person accepted the role. Of course you can refuse to do the work. They will fire you and lose the unemployment claim. Rarely do they win the other duties bullshit excuse. The government wants their cut so firing people and getting others to do the work with no additional taxes is not something the government likes. They don't care about the employee just the attempt to cheat them if they taxes they want to extort.

In reality the manager would have laid those people off in private meetings before sending out an email that “person x’s contract isn’t being extended this year.” And they might blame undefined people higher up for the decision. Or if they’re less tactful they could just say “there are too many of you” and that person x had been doing their job, but had not lived up to (undefined) expectations. So they had to go. “It’s a business, after all”. Oh and person x had to train an “assistant” to “help” fill their role for 2 weeks before they were told they were being laid off.

Ahhh ok. Well, then there woll be no additional work being done...not on my part at least.

Sadly these sorts of meetings rarely if ever happen. Don't get me wrong it would be an improvement over the random global email that says tomorrow everyone is getting an email from HR. Because corporate won't know what people will do out of spite and the manager won't even know if their safe. Wait did I say email? You learn when your email and door RFID card is disabled.

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Sounds like the BBSQ.....😂