275 Megane, 50kg heavier but comes with a boot & 5 seats, Dieppe engineered and bespoke enough w/deep value at nearly a third of the price?

Love a M2CS.😎

Gr yaris... its special. How many homologation specials out there.

My guess the last. 25k needed lol. No one will bulid one again but I could be wrong.

Please do the test on the same tire. I think this makes 50% of the 3.4 seconds.

Yeah I think that's is the case for most people, but if you are tracking it then will be worth the upgrade.

Diff's can be fitted after the fact to cars, if you own it rather than lease! Safe driving!

Thanks mate. Love to see a second video showing the pros and cons of both cars. Like a long drive on some Aussie roads and end with some track fun. PS In the end us base GR owners know the Rallye is a better track weapon but for the road a base with better tyres is enough for most of us with our driving skills.😎

Why would you swap the tyres? The tyres are what came with the model. Swapping the tyres is like swapping the suspension, wheels and diffs then testing the same car against itself. The rally/circuit pack has all those different parts so needs to be compared with how it comes out for s true test if the extra money is warranted.

@@tarche2 because tyres is something you can easily buy when you get the cars. The rubber… not the rims

@@nozopoke1782 but the Circuit pack/rally comes with better tyres. You also have 1000s of miles before changing them. For me tests on new cars should be as they come.

If we can get our hands on a Trophy!

@@motorofficial Yeah, I'm sure you have numerous requests for all sorts comparisons but I understand car availability can be one of your biggest problems. Not to mention timing of new car releases, weather and track availability etc, etc.

@@motorofficial Can lend you a 2015 Megane RS275 Trophy R if that helps.

Interesting the Rallye version in Australia has both the convenience pack and circuit pack in one! So we get best of both worlds!

I though all of them had red calipers

Why did you watch the video if you couldn't care less?

@@adamsaunders9876 why is it so important to you ?

@@adamsaunders9876 to cope with their purchase

Unfortunately the Oz average salary is blown out of proportion due to the increase in Chinse making 100k+ a year, realistically its closer to 60k - 70k a year. The majority of people will be paying the Yaris off over 5 years or more.

Civic Type R beats it with a time of 7 minutes and 43.8 seconds around the Nürburgring whilst yaris did 8:14

A big gulf but that's a factory attempt vs Sport Auto doing a hot lap which is hardly a fair comparison.

@@wasdwasdwwasd not a good start though is it you plonker

Not really, the Civic was only a second quicker around Hockenheim than the GR in Sport Auto's comparison so clearly the actual gulf is much less than 30 seconds around the N-ring.

@@dlc85007try the wet

Yeah Well said mate. PS That's why it's called a track pack overseas or circuit pack. Base GR great road car just get rid of the Tyres. You like to drive fast more often or track your GR then Rallye. Simple. PS still want to see a fair race on same tryes but will happen sooner or later.

​@@Dave-gl6jb Cheers. I think the hardest part about a comparison is that it'll be heavily dependent on the track. The Rallye is about 1.5-2s faster with a pro at the wheel at my closest circuit (109.9 vs 111.4). But, it's far more open than the hillclimb in this video. One thing that's interesting is everybody being fixated on times. I wonder how many people will really be held back by the limits of the standard GRY even with the Funlop tyres and (safe) understeer. The base GRY (or Fiesta ST if you've seen the Piston Heads comparison) may be a far better proposition for most with a greater residual budget to get out and use it. Then you can upgrade components/car once you've mastered it. Nobody is racing, and I'd argue that hot hatches are a lot about fun/reward. I still like the idea of a GRY with LSDs/suspension, but personally the $60k was too much relative to itself and other options, so I've got to wait out the hype. PH video - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f7iGgZWCvpO9ZKs.html

@@Dave-gl6jb It is here already: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/it6jnqVl1auWhH0.html

Is it a modified car in the eyes of an insurance company once you put the aftermarket diffs in?

@@minimumtrade not sure about insurance but it will void warranty if you install it

@@tobylee4736 installing a genuine diff, from Toyota? Nah, I think not.

@@wwcarsales well I asked if I get a normal gr and pay the LSD from Toyota and get them to install it can they do it? They said no, as they don't do the installation, and if you do it outside it will void the warranty. So I just wait for more rallye edition and maybe get it near the end of the year. Not sure if they just try to get a sell but they seem more desperate to sell the normal GR.

@Shane absolutely right. Like Scott said, if you snagged a base GR at the special introductory price then well done. But if you walked into a dealer and bought a base GR today, you’re being short changed. Rallye is a steal

I'm fine with base dude plus Rallye only comes in white. Red and black looks better.😎

Agreed. The Dunlop's on the base are shithouse

Yeah, put cup2 r's on the Rallye.

Depends on the track and the track conditions

Get the Rallye. 100%

Both cars were in Track mode with ESP fully off

@@motorofficial Excellent, thanks!

Plus wt lsd and none. Plus bigger brakes. Better suspension.

@@hoomee7605 nope same brakes

@@Silversurfer604 both hv the big braked wt red calipers? Let me check the vid again.

@@hoomee7605 only the color, Rest same

@@hoomee7605 i ordered the GR Yaris circuit and te brakes have the same diameter. But maybe the brake pads are a little stiffer

Because they are reviewing the cars, not the tyres. They review "as is" or "out of the box", because that's how car reviews work.

@@seanlander6936 But it doesn't take a genius to know which one is better 'as is'. We want to see the same car with the only difference being the LSDs.

wow, i ordered the circuit pack for 35k€ PS: in germany

@@THE8END0fDARKNESS999 We have to pay many politicians.....

37.5 here in Luxembourg in Dec

Maybe not on a bloody circuit either try a rough bitumen mountain road comparison and see how much you actually need the diffs then.

If I could have a Rallye on Dunlops or a standard GR Yaris on the Michelins, I would choose the Rallye/Dunlop combo.

Write the same crap comment over and over again. PS Please someone do a video on both GR same tyres. It's the best mod for well any car. Toyota love the car but put same tyres on both GR for the price of the car.

Ben, be happy with the POV pack, you defending it like's it's your only child.

Everyone just wants a fair test and like then you wouldn't be pissing off what like 1500+ pov spec owners compared to the couple of hundred Rallye owners. Great for the channel hey🤣

But the POV pack doesn't get the rallye wheels...

I'd be happy with just the same tyres.

Go buy the forged wheels and tyres and tell us your time.

If I could have a Rallye on Dunlops or a standard GR Yaris on the Michelins, I would choose the Rallye/Dunlop combo.

@@motorofficial now you're just dribbling shit. Swap the tyres over and prove the lap time, what's the bet the GR on PS4S is faster than the Rallye on the Dunlops?

Billy basic.....lmao

Hi Pursuit. PS Yeah we know mate but people in aus are just starting to put a rear LSD on there Base GR and better Tyres. It will close the gap somewhat. PS Hi James.😊

@@Dave-gl6jb what's the cost in AUS of putting on both Front AND Rear LSD, better suspension and a new set of rubber - oh and a set of lightweight wheels to go with it? Something tells me it's more that the price difference of the 2 cars. James is on the phone to his dealer trying to change his order as we speak 😀🍿🍿🍿

You are a funny man Mr Pursuit. The LSD rear is easy but front you need to take engine out and gear box. 6.5K to much but maybe oneday. PS Simple Rallye better car but a year wait and 10K more. No I'm happy with my Base for now. PS Mags well both are ok. Will put better than both Lightweight

@@Dave-gl6jb the Rallye is good value then 😀 - imagine how poor James is feeling having to wait ages for his con pack car only to realise it's missing lots of bits 👍

So salty you're resorting to personal

Then buy a Rallye if you feel like this.

@@Dave-gl6jb no point. Most of the parts would still be thrown away if you want to chase lap times.

Boys with Toys.😎

We got it super cheap though

Unfortunately we can get 2 cusco lsd's coilovers, exhaust and wheels/tyres for the same cost of the current rrp of non rallye. So us Aussies got it pretty sweet

I think so too. They rushed to snap it all up so fast without realising it wasnt the one to have. Ok it was cheaper but when it comes to cars like this,.. i prefer to get the top unit and not the base.

@@hoomee7605 alot of these in Australia will see the track and we were better off getting the cheap base. Simply makes more sense. If you could you would aswell.

In Italy we only have the circuit pack

If you change the Dunlops on the base spec, you should change the tyres on the Rallye - its plain and simple the Rallye is a quicker and more complete car

Hi mate. PS You don't have to change the Tyres on Rallye. It has great Tyres. PS You could go Cup 2. PS Love to see that with all 3 sets.😊

@@Dave-gl6jb yes the PS4S are good, but R888R/AR1 or even Cup2 would increase the cars capabilities yet further

But this is "out of the box" and could even argue Cup 2's would add more speed in the dry.

Take it up with Toyota bud

Bought the POV pack did ya? :)

Gotta get those clicks.

@@mattyoz0 I would value a true mechanical comparison NOT a comparison of tyres.

@@MrFister84 yeah I guess so, leaves room for a proper test and more clicks in the future. Also may start a squabble with pov spec owners lol. Which is great for comments section and more pats on the back from KZfaq.....

If I could have a Rallye on Dunlops or a standard GR Yaris on the Michelins, I would choose the Rallye/Dunlop combo.

Agreed, he also should have set the 4 wheel drive to 50/50 for track.

I don't think you can blame the tyres for my front sidewalls rapidly disappearing at Winton, you can still have balance with rubbish tyres.

Change the Dunlops for Michelins then change the PS4S for Cup2 / R888R /AR1 then the gap is still there.

I’ve been thinking about this a lot. What’s different between the cars. Spring rates at the front are different, damping rates are different, especially at the rear. Roll rates are different (combination of spring rates and anti-roll bar rates). The conspiracist in me thinks it’s a deliberate ploy to separate the two models. Dial the base down and fit less than optimal tyres.

@@relentlesspursuit6894 you're literally just talking out of your ass lol.

@@woznaldo thats how it feels to me in the driver seat but I am no superstar. There's probably something really good under there but in POV spec it is certainly not.

Even open diffs and worn out suspension won’t matter if you’re sticking to speed limits public roads.

You speak truth!

No, the majority of the time difference is in the tyres.

@@benjaminlee2493 I don’t think you understand the role of a LSD do you or the value it brings?

@@Spool_TV I don't think you understand the role of tyres, or the value they bring.

@@benjaminlee2493 so you can confidently tell me that a car with the same tyres but one with a locking diff and the other with an open diff will have same or similar track times? 🤣 I get it, your ego is hurt by the video but facts don’t care about feelings bro

Salty is an understatement - talk about buyers remorse! The billy basic spec owners have half a car 😀

75% Thanks. Lol. PS Lucky we did not get the GR RC from Japan with Auto and 1.5 litre engine. A 3 way.😂😂

Salty? It's some owners of the Rallye that shit me. They think they are superior to the base GR owners. When I bought mine at $40k there was no other option or talk of a circuit pack coming to Australia. That aside after 5 months of ownership I am stoked, and why would I be salty? I got a bargain and I spent over $15k less. I am sure if I spent another $15k on mods I'd have a car far quicker on the track than the standard Rallye. Why it's even made out as a big deal idk. No one is bagging WRX owners for not owning an STI. Let's face it, how many people are going to track the car? Most don't or won't, so why does it matter. And if you are seriously track or targa focused, my bet would be a base, and with the money saved you get to fit your own performance bits to suit the set up you require. I would go as far to say that the GR "base" with, PS4s, mca coilover kit and Rear factory torsion diff ($47k all up) you'd knock those 3.4seconds off no problem.

@@wwcarsales yeah, 15k in mods and your warranty would be gone and at the end of ownership your modded car will be worth less than a standard one.

@@Dave-gl6jb the RC is the Rally Concept, which is the one I wish I could have had. You mean the RS.

Exactly its a bit slow for a circuit car imo.....

@@jasoncee666 the base model might be too slow...the Rallye on the other hand looks to be a great track day weapon!

@@rhysrhysrhys im talking about the motor here 😀

If you care so much about day to day driving, what is your interest in the GR? Go buy a hairdresser spec Yaris, much cheaper, way better value for day to day driving.

Dude not everyone races on a Track simple as that.

If I could have a Rallye on Dunlops or a standard GR Yaris on the Michelins, I would choose the Rallye/Dunlop combo.

God what a silly thing to say. Just do a update with a chart showing the difference. PS Buy a Rallye lets change Tyres no charge. Free for you.😂😂

@@Dave-gl6jb what's the point of this test for you? To get excited when you compare spec sheets against other car owners?

No. The point is hypering up the Rallye and showing base as crap. The real GR. Yes all of us base GR know the Rallye is better but show a lap time on same tryes. PS Sheet was a fast way to show us. Motor will not do a new video just for this.

@@Dave-gl6jb the base model is underwhelming. For the difference in new price NOW I don't think many people will look twice at a pov pack. But at 40k it allowed you to build something in the direction that suited your use better than the rallye for similar money. But that comparison cannot be made as the price is no longer 40k da. Ps. I own a pov pack.

Too scary for me and i have the fiesta ST still.

Own a fiesta st and have driven the GR a couple of times. The Yaris is very fast and capable but the fiesta is more fun and playful. For a daily driver the fiesta is hard to beat

@@Andy-2022 Agreed. I have both. GR is different. Very special and you drive it with full conviction to get the best. The ST is a laugh always. I cannot bring myself to sell it.

i don't quite enjoy that. Bought the ST thinking it was FWD. Hate it when the backend is 'loose". But nonetheless,... still a great car.

Imagine taking a ford over toyota

Not really mate, although Motor aren’t a fan there are still people (like me) who got a bargain (40k) and are happy owners. I’d love a Rallye (I’m not huge into modifying) but the uncertainty and huge price increase would have meant I couldn’t have got it.

@@23kev well said. I'm in exactly the same boat here, and couldn't agree more.

Quite the opposite - I got the colour I wanted and $16k to spend on modifications. Rallye would have meant I'd have to keep it stock and no true enthusiasts like that.

Salty