yes i was wondering the same thing... in terms of the obvious less knobs per individual track on tr8

You need to download drivers for each.

Wait.. What?

@@thedrumunkey8582as Nu-Trix explains in the video, you can assign different parameters to the CTRL Knob including a User parameter. If you set it to User, you can then hold down the CTRL select button and turn the CTRL knob that you want to assign a parameter to. Many more parameters will be available doing it like that.

@Funt Cace sweet, I got skillz!

Ahhh. OK, I misread or something. I thought you were saying it could be used like a "learn"... I.e. hold ctrl and wiggle a control, but I see it shows up in menu to be chosen. My learn idea would be better. :)

​@@thedrumunkey8582that's what midi controllers are for :)

They are in the menu. You can assign the CTRl knob to it.

Yes. And it’s great!

Yeah it is sweet

which do you prefer more? live use?

Any line level signal could be send to the TR-8 inputs. Just don’t use amplified outputs for live speakers (something found on some live consoles)

@@Nu-trix thank I most definitely agreed with the powered speakers part. Just make sure I keep the volume low. I always appreciate that you always answer my questions. I know I don't ask a lot, but thank you. Nice to find genuine people on social media :-)

The TR-8 is more a performance drum machine. The sound engine of the Tr-8 is found in the TR-8s. If you just want to program patterns with TR sound engine . It the same that you can find in the Roland Cloud TR-808, -909, 606 and… plug-ins.

you will be more happy with the TR-8 trust me

The Tr-8 is still a great drum machine!

They are different beats. Groove Boxes vs Drum machine.

I does but it is kind of hidden behind a menu.

@@Nu-trix thank you... I wish there was a scatter knob like the tr8s

The interest of having an hardware dedicated music device is mostly the instant access to sounds. The longevity of it. The autonomous use of that device. It works by itself!

If the TD30 works for you…. It the right thing. The TR-8 is a drum machine and does not have any drum trigger input to be play by a live drummer. If you want to control in real time the playing of the drum machine : creating patterns and change sound parameters in real time, then the TR8 is a good choice.

@@Nu-trix Thanks a lot, in fact I’m triggering and programming my TD30 module from Polyend SEQ or from the daw. My question was more related with sounds choice and sound quality comparison.

Bonjour Laurent, les manuels de Roland sont disponibles sur les sites de Roland Support. Pour le TR-8s il s’agit d’un manuel type livre et non format « affiche » comme la série Boutique.Tous les manuels sont disponible à cette adresse www.roland.com/global/support/by_product/tr-8s/owners_manuals/ Bonne lecture. Je suis canadien français. ;-)

Super merci je viens juste de voir qu'ils m'ont envoyé celle de la tr8 !! Je les ai recontacter pour avoir une copie de la tr8s c'est quand même la moindre des choses. Moi aussi je préfère le papier au pdf :) :) encore merci pour ton partage je m'attendais vraiment pas à avoir un retour si rapide ça me confirmer juste que t'es un sacré passionné et c'est cool ça aide !!

Late as always but the pad is velocity sensitive

The pots are all working normally without noticeable wear.

@@Nu-trix thxxx

The price seems good for me. Check local online TR8 for sale to compare.

@@Nu-trix oh fast answer! Thx ! TR8 190€ + 10€ ''shipping" The TR8 look like a new one (in pictures) and the 7x7 expansion is already in the TR8. Good price or?

Yes.

Yes

The TR8s can read samples , so any sounds can be played by it. You just need to find the sounds you want and put them on a SD Card to import into the TR8s memory.

@@Nu-trix thank you for getting back to me.....I think I'm gonna buy a tr8s,now that you told me that.✌🏻❤

I finally sold my TR-8 and bought the TR-8S around Christmas time. The TR-8S does everything the TR-8 did and so much more.

Jeremy C Teter, I never tested it but from what I can find on the Juno 60 specs online, it should.work.

Nu-Trix The Synth Guy thanks!!

You are right in the fact that the TR-8 it much hands on than the TR-8S. It’s a trade off of power over ease of use. I personably only use it at home , not In a live setting.

@@Nu-trix That is kind of what I suspected, and yet it is included in the 'Aira' range, which for me seemed to be ( mostly ) very performance / live related, for the original line-up :/ Edit: except the Sys-1, which Is possibly the worse purchase I've made, for that eco-system.

I was going to sell or trade my TR-8 but I decided to keep both after I watching Jeff Mills use two 909's live.(practice,practice,practice)

All of that is in the TR editor application. Also this has FM SYNTH

@@Nu-trix TR EDITOR will change your experience. Update firmware 2.5

Yea, the actual manual is still a PDF. What he had in his hands is the start-up guide, basically exactly what he was saying about “this button does this” etc. A feature list, safety warnings, stuff like that. There are 8 languages, actual guide is like 24 pages.

You have some awesome TR-8S vids Unit:E ... thanks for producing them! :)

Unit.E is the TR-8S Sensei.

Happy it helped you decide.

The TR-8 does not play samples at all. It’s. Using ACB algorithms from Roland to recreated the reaction of the original drum machines.

... but there are more pads than faders

The MC-909 is a complete gooveboox including a complete synth and sampler playback in a dedicated sequence. The only reason for you to have a TR-8S would be for the orignal TR sounds. If that is what you crave than a used TR-8 might be a better solution.

you're just st*ned dude...

I'm interested. That's different

do you have cables outputting audio to your audio interface?

What is your audio interface? What is connected into it ?

A drummer.....

A Daw with kontakt factory library has some great sounding drums. You can always buy kits (60, 70, 80, 90, modern ) to suit your style. Also Ezdrummer is great as it has patterns recorded by real drummers, imho 80% of the sound.

Electronic Drum Machines make Electronic Drum Sounds. Older drum machines were focused for Rock, which isnt a huge thing anymore in the landscape. My BOSS DR-550 from 89 i believe does good rhythm and blues and rock.

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Yes, the TR-8 is still today one of the best live performance drum machine out there. The layout offers a quick and efficient workflow.

i still dont get the main differences between them?

Tr-8 is much more instant, all the controls have a knob. There is no menu, whereas tr-8s got more going on soundwise, samples and fm on top of tr8 sounds. But to get there you need to use menu. On top of that tr-8 got 2 variations per pattern(16patterns total) where as tr8s has 8 variations per pattern and more patterns afaik. Depends on your needs really

​ @Unknown Nordic Dont know the right answer for you, unfortunately, i tend to flip gear quite often myself. Generally, if you use and like to use alot of something, better not sell even when urge hits... I've been listening stuff i made with mc707 when i had one, briefly. I really like the sound of the kits, for me they sound like a "record". Generally it was very fun box, kind of like jv series with a sequencer. However i didnt like that the custom presets were stored in projects. Felt kinda like an aftertought. But it has great all around sounds i think, perhaps experimental too, but i found the interface clunky to create synth sounds. For the record ive been lately just using push and ableton for making drums/loops. Its the most convenient i think, given that everything just lives inside ableton for future. I have digitone and octatrack, i use digitone for basses, chords and such. I feed drums and stuff into octatrack mainly as 4bar loops and i can play then with no computer like that. I've also been experimenting with dj mixer and a looper for mixing ideas together into set of some sort. I did "lose" alot of time, ideas, and work using all hardware given that i didnt record everything, thats why im lately been making stuff mainly on laptop. YMMV, though. I think new mpc/force is probably best option if you want to stay out of laptop, I used to have a mpc live before it got the big updates, external soundcard and multichannel midi. It was great then as a sampler/groovebox, its probably amazing now. TLDR: i kinda would like to stick mc101 to the mix but its probably a bit too clunky to operate for me.

@Unknown Nordic Good luck however it goes. I think its a never ending process, and options are so vast now, should just find what fits and stay off youtube/synth news :) I never had an old mpc, but i had studio mk1 that i loved.. it mimics mpc1k i think? Anyway, pretty straightforward, not weird limitations like sequence length and you could create everything in it pretty much. Nowdays the trend in grooveboxes seems to be selling pieces of gear, rather than full system. Minus newMPC series which does kind of too much even. Elektrons are cool but word of warning! You will be stuck in the 4 bar limit pretty much. For example,if i want to get 8 bar quantized recording in, i halve the bpm (120->60) which in my case is not a problem but its obviously a compromise. After that i can double the sample bpm and bring it back, no problem. Also octatrack is a bit old, especially effects, but they are still usable. Might feel like a downgrade from force though. From usability octatrack is technically like a tracker, where you can manipulate sequencer step pretty much however you want, including the sample played. It might feel weird to use at first, sampling for example when you dont know, but after couple of tries its muscle memory. Everything is basically one layer away, or atleast close. BUT I would not get octatrack for playing one shot melodic samples. It doesnt understand midi note length for the audio tracks. I mean when you record notes in, like a bass for example, youd need to set envelope hold and release per trig if you want varied length. Otherwise it will just trig the whole sample/how you have envelope setup. For example digitakt does it no problem, but its such a watered down sampler otherwise, doesnt really cut for me. Octatrack is crazy good for loops, it feels like its made for those rather than one shots. theres auto slicing, also you can modulate slices in various ways, example, set up random lfo to modulate slice number, then set lfo to activate when crossfader is at b, and then you can lock kick for example that it isnt affected. Youve now got "auto fill" that activates by crossfader. Or maybe you did that to a 1 bar loop that youve live resampled from a synth while everything is running, randomizing the pattern on fly. Point is, the creative freedom is vast. Positives and negatives, i guess.

​@Unknown Nordic No problem. I totally get it. For loops, i think the next best thing is just ableton. if you got the means to buy one new with a 30day return, see it yourself before selling the force atleast, in case you hate it. Its kinda polarizing piece of gear, but definitely classic one for a reason

From the info I got directly from a Roland product Specialist, the TR-8S includes the TR-8 models and new ones created for the TR-8s. ex.: 808 Bass 1 (for TR-8s) 808 Bass2 (from TR-8) I don't know how many new ones there is. One thing is clear the TR-8s has more models to choose from.

@@Nu-trix I also asked this to a Roland guy (i can look his name up if you want to - he does a lot TR8-S workshops). He claims it has both the original models (TR-8, the Bass 1 variant), and the new versions that are also being used for the TR-08 (which is much newer!). On top of that, there are customized versions of the 808 kick (long ..) and 909 (909 attack bass). He could not confirmed if what degree the actual ACB engine was improved, but it is (as Roland claims, but not in detail). This is very plausible though. I also hear people say the TR-8S sounds has better BD's (that's understandable if Roland included the TR-08 and tweaked versions), but i also heard the hat department is better on the TR-8S. So there is a lot of information out there. Since years have passed between the two TR-8's, there might be overal improvements worth investigation instead assuming they sound the same, which from what i hear, is not exactly the case. It's really hard to find/get info on this subject! The engine has been improved, so that triggers my curiosity :) Some kind of detailed A/B test would be awesome i think. It just doesn't exist.

I did sell my TR-8 and Keep the TR-8S!

Nu-Trix The Synth Guy I love it. I know you love your TR8S. To me that’s the ultimate drum machine. I want and will have it one day

Just like the rest of the TR series they are not made to played as a drumpad but more aimed at programming drum. You can always connect a pad controller of you choice via MIDI and play it live.

For each sounds you have a long list of parameters for editing the sounds in the TR-8s that the TR-8 simply doesn’t have.

The Tr-8s feels much more solid than the TR-8 in my experience.

Actually, there is scatter on the TR-8s. It is hidden inside the menu. Not as easy to access. Here is a link where they explain how to use it : www.reddit.com/r/synthesizers/comments/8ahhld/tip_for_tr8s_users_regarding_scatter/?

Oh oke thx Nu-Trix for your fast answer 🙏🏻😃

I am.

What do you suggest I replace that with?