I am a coach, road racing school instructor, and racer and you weren't in the wrong. One of the first things riders schools and track day orgs discuss is being predictable. You made a clean pass...nothing reckless about it. The other rider came over after you were committed...NOT YOUR FAULT!!!! Any time we go to the track there is a risk of crashing. Waivers are there for that reason...You apologized because you thought you were at fault, but that rider should have been in a slower paced group and go through a rider school to improve their skills. Good on you for checking on the other rider but that's what we call a "racing incident"

Honestly you need to stop looking too much into lap times. You said it yourself in the fact that you felt smoother and not on edge which speaks volumes rather than taking seconds off. Far too many times you have faster riders getting frustrated losing a good lap time than reading what's ahead of you and making a bad judgement call. Fair play to holding your hands up but honestly take your timer off, take some tuition from the likes of Ellison or spike edwards to help you get to that next level of riding. You'll be surprised at how much you'll come on just from a day's worth of tuition from them. 👍

100% your fault, I knew it was going to happen as soon as you lined him up. You were going into a slow, tight, right hand bend so he was always going to come across and use that part of the track. That said, you've owned up to it, you've learnt from it, and there's nothing more you can do. This is an example of the only "understandable" sort of coming together on track IMO. I've seen it happen a couple of times, and it's just down to you not expecting where he was going to go. Something a lot of the armchair warriors on Facebook always miss though - you were busy riding a superbike at the time. When you're on track, everything happens so fast and there's so much to do (especially on the big bikes) that sometimes you make a bad call. That said, you've got multiple exotic bikes and a fancy van and a lovely house, that lad had an old ZX6R. You could do the honourable thing and sling him some money towards the repairs, or organise a whip round for him or something. I've never heard or seen it done at track days but it would honestly be nice to see, at least once. I've had mates in similar situations get taken out by far more affluent riders, and it ends their season, meanwhile the rider that caused the crash just jumps on the spare bike and finishes the day. One thing that did stand out to me though was that you shut off when you saw him coming across, if you'd kept it wide and seen it through, you may have not hit him, or the contact would have been more glancing and might not have taken him out. I'd suggest you stick in inters for a bit and focus on reading the people in front of you rather than lap times for a bit. You are definitely quick, but the choice you made to pass there, and then to shut off, shows you're not experienced enough for fast group yet IMO. Chin up anyway mate. It happens to a lot of people, and at least you've owned up to it and apologised. The last time I saw this sort of crash happen, the bloke that caused it was arguing that the lad he was passing shouldn't have come across... even though that's the correct line....

Fair play for putting that on camera, i guess at the end of the day if you do a track day with people with different skill levels this can happen, really hope the rider is ok and that takes a lot to stick this on KZfaq and say sorry like that 👍

Massive kudos for showing the footage mate, but in my opinion you were 100% to blame. A lack of patience and possibly chasing tenths put paid to that fella's season. You were approaching fast but still behind him when he started moving back onto the racing line, you should have anticipated his move, rolled off, sat behind him through Melbourne and then safely passed him up towards Goddards. Anyway, lesson learnt mate and ride safe.

I think you have to look at it like this. If you go into fast group and a guy on a m1000rr hits you puts you down the track and your rsv1100 factory in the barrier Would you be happy with just an apology?

Thanks for sharing. Very brave and honest of you. I'm sure we've all tried that sort of overtake before and have got away with it. This will make me think twice in future, though. All the best.

You certainly passed the attitude test afterwards. Fair play. Personally I always make a pass on the inside approaching the brake zone/tip in point. You mentioned your ‘red mist’ earlier. That’s always an ingredient for trouble. It’s a track day remember. We’re there to have fun with our bikes remember 😊👍

Things happen fast on track and everyone knows the risk, that said the guy on the right was pushing the guy you hit left and you should have anticipated that coming and not tried to pass him on the left 3 abreast. It’s great that you shared this because it’s a learning opportunity for anyone what watches!

Yeah I’d say it’s mostly on you for not anticipating his line. Never pass people from inside at a kink or apex.

At the end of the day, your making the overtake, its down to you to make sure you can make it work safely. Lots of people swing left there to try and make the late apex. Don't get me wrong, I've pulled similar manoeuvres or sketchier and got away with it. Today you didn't, shit happens. Respect for putting up the Vid, hopefully lesson learned.

I know it shouldn't but stuff like this puts me off doing a trackday. For the record; I've never done a track day - and been told by experienced riders that the danger in track days is experienced riders mixing with inexperienced riders - not taking the racing line and cutting corners, and someone died at Donnington by being cut up by a novice. The fear of living with that on my conscious is scaring me out of having a track day 😪

big respect to you for this video mate , i started watching your vids a few months ago and it was your videos that got me to do my first track day last month/ next one at oulton 17th august and for someone like me this video highlights that everyday is a learning day for you to share somthing like this we can all avoid situations like this no matter whos fault it is vlogs like this can be more benifical than ..... ( my perfect lap vlogs etc ) Big Respect glad everyone is okay

The thing is, its not a race. Its a track day and you should leave people room, if you approach someone at that speed and going into a small gap there is a risk. Better to back off and wait for a safer time.

Just come across this. All I'll say is that No Limits say the onus is on the overtaking rider to make the move safely. Hindsight is easy but you and others that watch this should realise after a few laps of any track where you and others should be on track approaching and exciting a corner, damn, it was pretty much a given that anyone would be heading there or there about. Still, looks like everyone is OK, its risky stuff on track in any form so be careful out there everyone.

Brave of you to share this and it acts as a lesson to us all of what not to do (even though it looks like it is doable). Sacrificing a few tenths is better than sacrificing a fellow rider and we all get to go home safe and do it again tomorrow. Many of us (if not all) have been guilty of this as we gain speed and confidence. Chalk it up as a lessons learnt and have some comfort that this could help others avoid a similar situation. Again thanks for sharing.

No empathy on the fund me page 🤣

Lesson learned already. Have patience and wait for the inside.

Good of you to post this ... as a learning opportunity for all. I remember almost having the same thing happen to me on track once. I was heading toward a very sharp right hand turn and had just come out of a lefthand turn. I spent a moment in the middle of the track to assess what was coming and as riders ahead were navigating before they went through the turn ahead. I then moved left to get a proper position to be able to straighten out the turn to the right ahead when a rider came by me at light speed on my left. He moved left to the very edge of the track and kept moving at what looked like full speed to get past me. Not sure about it all but maybe he and I were lucky that day. I'll guess that maybe the moral to this is always pass after an upcoming turn rather than before when on a track day. When racing, I guess, all bets are off.

From my point of view and I've run the odd track day it was a 50/50 deal. maybe you could have waited, maybe he could have stayed on his line, its just one of those track day deals, takes a big man to come on post this up, well done mate and I am glad both of you basically came away relatively unhurt

Hi, I don't think either of you were to blame as it's a racing incident. You could easily have gone down and had a wrecked bike too, but it's the risk we all take knowing full well we can get hurt and bikes can get written off in a blink.

IMO having only done 2 bike track days, I can see that there is some blame on both people. Possibly more so on you, but well done for being honest. I will be there in 2 weeks on one of the slowest bikes I expect to be there cbr500r. The biggest issue is that the people in the intermediate group, their track skills vary hugely.

Sorry that happened mate but it’s just a trackday, it’s not that crucial to get that overtake done. Like we all know, hindsight is 20/20 and you’re quick to put your hands up and ask people what they think. Keep the vids coming, your trackday vlogs are great!

In answer to your question, yes you did cause an accident. Kudos for owning up, and doing the right things. Track days are tricky, and unless you really know the guys you are riding with, always give 200% more space than you think they need. Don't go for closing gaps, and prefer overtaking on the exit of a corner rather then entrance. Also, you were lucky not to get taken down yourself. The bike could have easily speared left (you tagged his handlebar and pushing forward would have caused the bike to go left) and taken you off onto the grass. Rolling down the track with a couple of bikes is not fun. Stay safe mate, and enjoy your riding.

Main thing is he is ok the bike hopefully can be fixed. I know it's not but if this was a race it would go down as a 'racing incident' in my opinion. It takes a big man to put his hand up to a mistake so well done you.

All you track day aficionados that never make mistakes, fuck me 🤦‍♂️. Do track days, get insurance, can afford it, don’t do it.

I don’t know why these trackday vloggers are so concerned about track times ??? Just go enjoy yourself with some fun content rather than lap times. Your putting yourself and others at risk, just go racing if u want laptimes. I don’t understand it 🤷🏼‍♂️

I always tell myself it’s a Trackday not a race day, I know it’s hard when your in a rhythm with your riding and your lap times are improving, I try to always overtake on the inside because people expect that more then someone trying to go around the outside of them. You have apologised to the person and made sure they are ok which is the right thing to do, all you can do is learn from it and move on 👍

Looking at the clip I think a lot of people would have gone for that gap too, only because you were going faster than both those two bikes and at that point going left was your only option apart from heavy breaking and sit behind them.

Sorry to see this accident guys . I think it was your fault but these things happen. Be careful out there everyone. Wanted to ask you what you use for seeing your lap times.

My 2ps worth is. The guy on the zx6r didnt know you was there as you came out the corner with alot more speed then the other two riders, he was giving the rider who was overtaking on the inside room and letting him past safely by moving over to edge of track , unfortunately you was there. Ok if you could rewind time you could of shut off and let the guy who was overtaking get past and give the zx6r time to realise you was there and make your pass safer coming out the next turn . But you only have a split second in the moment to make a decision, full of adrenalin and having a good lap easy to make the wrong move.

OMG!! Yeah hope the other rider is doin' fine👍🏻 You're going much faster and had the outside line well in advance cos the traffic was dense to the middle. Honestly speaking, yes I'd feel sorry for the other rider, but NO! would I blame myself. Thing is we are told to only look forward on the track and remove or tape up mirrors, so what do you do!! If I'm confident with the line I'm on and the corner I'm approaching, I like to on certain corners have a quick glance behind before 100% committed. The only place you could have gone is on the grass and that being wet, you would have ended up hurt and bike wrecked. Don't feel you're to blame in any way - It's all part and parcel of a track day! Cheers 👍🏻

As I said before David, it’s a chance you take with track riding, if you’re going to do it then you must know the risks and insure yourself for every possible event and sadly, that includes crashing. It was probably a poor decision but in hindsight its easy to say, if the poor bloke hadn’t changed his line we wouldn’t be talking about it, if you hadn’t went for a gap on his undertake side…yada yada yada. The main thing is no one is injured, that’s what matters. Great video David.

To be honest, it’s going to be hard to tell that he’s coming over onto your line especially at such a slow rate, there was no real reason for him to drift over like that. However it would have probably been best to follow the dude on the right.

Bit late to this but IMO 50/50. You were chasing tenths and not being considerate you should have gone down the other side or just backed off a touch and done them on the brakes. In the other side I think he tried to move over because of the bike on his right. He should have stuck to his line and made the overtakes make the move. They’ve been banging on at briefings on this point for ever.

For me, it is all about skill levels. The blue ZX6R rider didn't have the level of skill. I ride in the advanced group on circuits I know well like Cadwell, Rockingham (when we had it) or Mallory, then in inters on circuits I don't know. Even then, riding a CBR600RR I know when I am out of my depth after the first few laps and modify my riding or request a step down of group. At 60 years of age, it is a good idea. Its always a shit deal when someone comes off or gets downed and there will always be an element of a guilt feeling Good shout, popping this on here. To be honest, I would have gone for the gap as would have all the lads I ride with, (a couple of former TT riders and Derby Ph racers) and I think you were both a bit unlucky to have it end as it did. Hey-Ho! You all came out of it fit n well, bikes can be fixed or replaced.

My personal opinion.... its a trackday not a race day, hold back and make overtakes mid straight section. mistakes happen, but try reduce mistakes.

I've been watching all your videos recently, this is an interesting one for me. It was my first track day on Tuesday just gone at Donnington. When I first watched it I thought its not really your fault just one of them unlucky incidents and I would have probably gone for that gap with the speed you had it looked like no problem. After reading all these comments it definitely gives me something to think about for my next one and it makes sense people saying about anticipating he was gonna move to the left. Fair play for sharing. Keep up the good videos 👍

For me it's simply an outcome of the unpredictability of the intermediate group. You have everything from novices moving up to people on the fringes of the fast group and racers on low capacity machines. The result is you don't know what they are going to do at any time. I always used to find it the most challenging group to ride in. With another rider, that would have been a perfectly good move but with the inters group you just don't know what you're going to get. It was an accident and not not through reckless riding so don't beat yourself up, just take away the lesson that the inters group is the most sketchy for passing riders.

Ah man, this sucks, really hate to say it but this was a mistake, you’ll always be on one of the fastest bikes out there, so closing speed will be quick, but every rider is going to be closing that gap, especially when he knew he had a guy to his right, he’s naturally going to move away from the rider he knows is there. Not to bash on you dude, you’ve obviously reflected on it but it’s just about reading the next corner ahead not always the rider in front to make assumptions on where he WILL be not where he is. Hope you are both okay

Fair play for putting that up mate but yes, that was down to you !

Looking at that, a major thing you’ve done wrong is ride in the wrong group. You were on the gas so much earlier than them and when you committed there was a fair old gap. But also tbf to the laddie knocked off, he wouldn’t have been expecting someone that much faster coming through there. Hindsight is a beautiful thing, you could have peeled left a smidge more or even gone on the grass, it’s still a long way down to the bottom of the loop. Well done for fessing up and posting this but feel so sorry for the Kwak lad. Hope he, and the bike are ok. 🤞

Very sorry for both you guys.. almost looks like he counter steered early but in all fairness would never expect you to have come out of nowhere up the outside, so you just happened to end up in the same spot on track at exactly the wrong split second ? If you were actually in a race it would surely be put down as a racing incident but on track days its a safe pass or no pass. Very good of you to share and apologise, that zx6 must be mashed. Did you manage to stay on track yourself on that right hander as after getting that clipped/contact feeling would be easy to miss your breaking pointand run wide.

Main thing is the rider is ok! The gap closed in really quick that you went for I would have done the same.

trackday incident... you saw a gap that was never really there.. mistakes happen... if you had a birds eye view of the track you'd see the line the zx6r had was pretty much parrallel/in line with the curbs/white line after the kink.. yes he moved over a little ... but not as much as it seems on camera ... the gap was always going to close due to the kink in the track ... that was his line...responsibility for a safe overtake was yours...don't think i'm telling you anything you don't know tbf ..... hats off for putting your hands up to your mistake and posting the video... laptimers, you were both using laptimers..only you know if having a laptimer on effects the way you ride on a trackday.. if it does... turn it off or tape up the display.... paying for repairs, we all know the risks to both our health and our pockets when we decide to ride on track.... i've been taken out on track and spent some time in a&e as a result... I didn't expect the guy who took me out to contribute to repairs.. accidents happen... we all know the risks.. if ppl don't except risk.. best find another hobby..... we all make mistakes... it all part of learning ... feel for the zx6r guy, he did nothing wrong ... but thems the kicks

Sounds like you regret the mistake and have learnt from it. Just remember it and move on. As for those saying you should pay for the damage, would they really pay for someone’s 20k Ducati if the same happened to them.. of course they would! If you don’t accept the risk, either don’t do it or get trackday insurance for yourself and bike..

How much is track day insurance on a £17000 bike? I am a track day virgin because i know that this kind of thing happens. The gap looked big enough to pass safely. In hindsight and looking at the slow motion replays, that gap closed off where the track kinked left and those two riders could see the slight left kink before you could and they made steering adjustments towards it as you were going for the gap. That could happen to anyone and i guess that this is where you should exercise your track knowledge for future reference.

Don’t feel like the guy was on the racing line, people stay wide for you to over take. But in saying that getting that close isn’t good on a track day it’s not a race just for fun

I you were honest. I was your fault you have to understand trackday has many people who just want to ride their bike. The track goes right. You had 1000* it's not a race. Could of change line went around outside of him. Or got him on exit. My aim always on trackdays is not to frighten anyone. But hope hes ok. But at same time it's a race track and a track day accidents can happen

What bit of equipment have you on the bike to get the revs and the throttle data I have a speed angle 1 but I don't do rev and throttle I also have bought racerender thanks in advance

racing incident but when you showed it first time coming out of esses and then switched back to yourself before you mentioned the crash I could see that was a tight gap and he was going to move over. on non competitive TD you have to be prepared to slow or bail out and be patient to make a pass.

Facebook lead me here. So.. Being kind. You're right you know all the faults you made and held your hands up. Fair play. We're told on our first trackday look after the person in front because you wouldn't want it to happen to you. Also your clearly way quicker than those pair and you said that too.. So why not wait. I know you said you commuted to the gap But that is the line and you must anticipate people will follow the race line and Move over accordingly definetly could of been avoided if you had passed on the right hand side and made. It a bit. More awkward for yourself but as you would be off the line it would have been way safer to think Noone else would be there,, again your clearly faster you'd get them in the next straight or corner. Obvious one right. I'm sure you know all this already that was just my initial thoughts, I'd be mortified if I was responsible for that crash which I agree with you you were. Was the zx6r even accelerating toward the corner, I think he let off early, the other bike was going around on the right side so you had limited options. Looking at your previous laps it's pretty much where you let off and set up the next corner.. Just lessons all round, and it's a track day these things do happen, and can be avoided but they still do happen. Noone died, plastic can be replaced, chin up move on.

You saw a gap! But again, that was a trackday not a race. Anyway, all that matter is that both of you are ok.

It’s an unfortunate end to the day and hindsight is a wonderful thing. Doesn’t really matter what people say, it’s how you feel and learn from the experience. It’s clear it stuck in your head as you were very conservative with your overtakes the day after. If you look at my lap I got put in exactly the same situation. If you hadn’t of done this, I would have likely done the same thing on mine. Nobody got hurt 👍

Don't be too upset, riders all ok - you did have a reasonable gap when you committed to going past him, he moved over to the left side, maybe you could have anticipated a bit earlier when he started to move but at speed when you are concentrating on your line its not always possible, you were on your line he was moving into position for the corner .... 50/50

Really feel for you. To be fair it is down to you to preempt and brake and get out of the situation but reality in this situation is it’s a split second decision and they are so so difficult. You were closing on him quickly you would have needed to have dived on the brakes hard or go on the grass both could have ended with even worst result. Good to see how genuinely concerned as sorry you were. Unfortunately it happens on track days 🤷🏻‍♂️

Just a case of shit happens there mate. I can only speak of the way I ride on trackdays but I treat them as just that, it’s a trackday. I won’t overtake unless I 100% know I can do it safely. Take your incident for example, I personally would have backed out of it as having 2 riders side by side in front, you or I have no idea what they’re going to do. I’d wait til after the Melbourne loop then pass one or both of them on the way out. It’s just a trackday, there are no prizes(unless you win inters obvs). You’re on a fast bike, you could have had them both on the main straight and just gone again on the next lap. Hindsight is a wonderful thing though and it’s easy for me to sit here and say that. You made a poor decision and held your hands up and admitted that so can’t be too hard on you.(unlike the TD addicts group!😂) we all make mistakes mate.

That’s not your fault man!

Ouch!! You’ve said a few time on your videos about the red mist, can’t happen in my opinion!!

There are riders with differing abilities in all groups, and machines with different levels of performance in those groups. All riders need to have this in mind when they're out there on track, its not racing, some like me just go for the fun of it all. There are too many red flagged sessions these days, and not enough riders black flagged for poor decision making as they pursue faster lap times. I wish they'ed switch the timers off and focus on the track rather than keeping one eye on the timer. If you're riding at 100%, what difference can the timer make other than encourage you too take risks for the extra nano second. As for the incident, the zx6r was a little slow in moving over to the left, but that was a risky manoeuvre to stuff him up the inside. Its not racing.

Leave a comment with your opinion. Be nice 😳

That kind of riding is why I stopped taking my bike on track, seen to many people taken out by others. It is a chance you take when track riding on track days and the same could of happened to you. Sadly shit happens but glad it was not you, hope the other guys didn't have to spend to much to fix his bike.

It's a hard one because it was such a big gap, I'd have probably gone for it too. But everyone knows that your going to move to the left for the next corner You were clearly alot quicker and maybe should have gone to the right and got him on the brakes on the way into Melbourne

Looks to me that the rider did a sudden line change at the very last second if you look closely. Unfortunate and in hindsight it would have be better to slow and pass at a safer spot. Overtakes on exits with your power advantage would be the best bet. With that kink it became a dive up the inside. Be nice.

Bad luck all round, you could have cut between them which would have arguably been more aggressive and startling, or you could have shut off the throttle, but if you do that all day, you'll never enjoy your track day. It looked like a legitimate gap and then all of a sudden it wasn't.

Unfortunate, because he should never have been there if he was following the racing line (he'd have been where you were), but that's the dangers of trackdays with huge mixes of ability... So, ultimately your fault when you could have easily got past anywhere and it's up to you to make a safe pass, but sort-of a 'racing incident'.

While it is always our responsibility to over take safely the track is also a place to push and learn and yes make mistakes in as safe an environment as possible. Yes you made a mistake and sadly someone else paid the price but we all know what we sign up for when we go on track mate so don't beat yourself up too much. End of the day the people are OK. Bikes can be replaced. Also are you going to change your channel name to the donny assassin? ;). Stay safe and keep up the great vlogs!

Fair play posting. Yes your fault but being honest I've passed riders same place and they've pulled to the left too. I just try and give space and wait where possible

Personally I would never have riden into a potentially diminishing gap, he was always likely to come left but never more to the right, just my 2c

Came here to see why everyone was getting so bitchy on FB. Very herd mentality and it speaks volumes that they don't say a word to your face!! Was this your fault? Unfortunately... yes. But I would also say that it's quite unusual to be that far over to the left at that part of the track. It DOES narrow and go over a crest but the usual line (that I take anyway 🤷‍♂️) leaves a gap that you'd have made it through. Still a risky pass! In the slo-mo... I think the unfortunate fella on the Zx6 veered across quite quickly at the last minute. But as you realise.... it's on you to make it past safely. All very regrettable but a part of trackdays that does occur. I don't think you're a bad rider at all. But if it were me, I'd lose the on track commentary. I think it's a very bad distraction. I also think it might get you in bother with organisers eventually. Anyway, keep enjoying your trackdays and for christs sake invest in some lucky rabbits feet or something 🤦‍♂️😂

Slightly suspect you caused a collision.

It's a race track, not a race. If you're blitzing around past everyone, then you're in the wrong group. Don't let your ego get the better of you, wanting to be the fastest isn't what its's about. Move up a group and maybe accept there are things you could learn from more experienced riders. You are obviously a confident rider, otherwise you wouldn't have all the gear and be timing yourself, so why were you in a group of less confident, inexperienced riders? Shit like this happens, but this is why I won't go to a no limits track day, I don't want to end up in someone else's accident.

Looking at that gap, I’d of probably gone for it - you had a lot of closing speed and it only really changed last second. That being said it looked like there was more room for you to have taken it left and maybe a bit of hesitation when the gap did start closing. But all much easier to see from the cameras view on the sofa, mistakes happen... glad the guy is okay, bikes are easier to repair. Like the overlay data on track, how are you running those? And why does your throttle only open 80% 😉😁

Nothing you could do mate, one of those tday crashes unfortunate but you will both learn from it (saw a few people dawdling on line earlier in vid ) got to switch on !

First of all great vlog as always. Big fan of your work.👍 i have watched the video a few times, its a tough one. The gap was there for you to nip through and i am sure it was bigger in real life as video's dont do it justice. but then the track kinks in a tiny bit so you sort of had no were to go but to trade paint with the rider who unfortunately came off. The other rider didn't do anything wrong either by cutting across to get a decent line into Melbourne. any other day you both could have colided and stayed on!! just this time it ended in a crash. My personal opinion is that i noticed you had alot more exit speed out of the foggy esses. than the 2 riders so maybe would have been better option going up the inside of them both then back across to the normal race line when you past them. Its just one of those things that happens on trackdays, Its not the first times something like this has happend and wont certainly be the last. As we all probably agree on here as riders we ALL know the risks of Trackdays/Racing and what can happen. when we load the bikes up in the morning you sometimes think to yourself will me and the bike be coming back in one piece!!😆 but thats what makes us do it and gives us all that buzz we all crave. The second the visor drops all them thoughts go away. Luckily everyone is ok and can ride another day. 👍 keep the vids flowing. love watching them !!!

Dude don’t beat yourself up too bad definitely no wreck less riding but unfortunately i definitely say from how it comes across on camera probably you were at fault but 💩 like this does happen it’s just the nature of the beast unfortunately. Chin up everyone’s okay live and learn 👍🏻

you were driving into a closing gap given his line, i would say 90% your fault given it was a trackday unfortunately

No one wants to be in that situation it wasn't done intentionally you have to move on and learn from it the main thing is your both ok

Yes it was your fault, but at least you've owned it and apologised. I was on the receiving end of getting tagged not totally unlike this a few years ago, there was three bikes involved much like this incident, the outside one ran wide and caused a slight line deviation. Anyway, in that instance the guy at fault didn't even approach let me let alone apologise, I only worked out what had happened from some photos I saw the next day. No one's perfect, but at least you have the right attitude.

Its the person doing the passing that has the responsibility to pass safely, so in my opinion it was your fault.

Rest In Piece's R6 :-(

If it was a race yeah there was a gap but track day but harsh, but at the same time easy mistake to make, I wouldn’t let it bother you too much what’s done is done

I wouldnt say its your fault, your on the race line. But these things happen. Id say get out that group and move up. Middle group is madness, you got fast riders to scared to move up and then you have the slow riders thinking there fast all over the place. Great video as always 👌👍

As stated many times, just one of those things that can and do happen a lot on trackdays. You should move up a group though, would be safer and you would probably learn a bit too from the faster riders. Group 2 is the worst group, you have guys who should be in fast dropping down so they can willy wave, and you have guys who should be in the slow group but aint because their ego is too big to admit it, the 2 come together and it's a recipe for disaster.

Shit happens mate

I guess he was going to move over to the left at about that time ish . So borderline on fault. I am more concerned about your red mist , the fact is you are riding at up to 140mph and the red mist could kill someone , how the hell are you going to manage in advanced because it is where you should be when people go past you ? The lap times etc , hey by all means go racing but this is a fun track day , it is not competitive. I enjoy your posts but you need to seriously look at yourself and I mean that in a nice way as I am sure that you are a nice chap.

Racing incident David - shit happens. Main thing is, nobody got hurt.

For me. He was off the racing line. As with all sports. Shit happens. For me your not to blame. The side view showing him falling. He had the rear locked up. And was off. I’m guessing that you passing which he wasn’t expecting scared him. End of day. You go on track and bin it. It ain’t nobody’s fault. It’s racing.

You're too advanced for the group you were riding in. Their lines are wide whereas yours aren't. You're accelerating at a much higher rate too. and achieving much higher speeds on the straights that the other riders.

Tough one really. S’pose it depends on how early you saw the gap, closing pace, etc etc

I'd have waited or if i felt like there was enough time just gone round the outside of both (being there in the moment depicts the choice ofc). You were closing those two quickly enough you would have safely done them on the exit of the corner. (mt10 from your group that day 16;17 on cold tyres forgot to plug warmers in lol)

50/50 he moved over abruptly, it looked like what should have been an easy over take if his line hadn't of changed the way it did, but that said it's always on the r8der behind to get past safely, to me this is a 50/50 incident

Agreed that it’s your fault. But I suppose it happens. As soon as you see him coming over ideally you would brake and stay behind. And 999 out of 1000 times I’m sure that’s what you would have done. Unfortunately it happens. Professional boxers with decades of experience and muscle memory move their head left when they should have moved it right and get knocked out. Always unfortunate. But it does happen.

Mate you need to understand that the odd rider will make unpredictable changes of direction at the worst times. That's a racing incident which is not really your fault.

Not your fault you had a massive gap and then he closed it like you said he was in the middle of the track must me deaf to not hear an rsv4

Totally your fault unfortunately

Wht do you use for your telemetry?

He crossed over pretty quick. He could have come over earlier perhaps but its maybe fault on both sides.

It’s your duty to overtake safely. Exactly the same scenario as the lady at Oulton and look how much shit she got.

Very enjoyable to watch not done track days but as I look at it he moved into your path, not you running in to him the main point is the bike can be replaced and he’s ok end. Sometimes pride has to take a fall from time to time. Lives come first not the bike. But great video loved it.