Lacquer Plating Secrets With Record Technology Incorporated "Plating Guru" Dorin Sauerbier

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Lacquer Plating Secrets With Record Technology Incorporated "Plating Guru" Dorin Sauerbier

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Record plating is the "secret sauce" behind great sounding records. A great lacquer cut can be sabotaged by inept plating. Only a handful of experienced experts know how best to do this, aided by the finest infrastructure. RTI's plating expert Dorin Sauerbier is one of the world's best and the infrastructure he's built at RTI over the past 20 plus years helps produce some of the world's best stampers and thus some of the world's best sounding records.
RTI plates for Fidelity Record Pressing and many other pressing plants so following the visit to Fidelity I drove the nine miles to Camarillo and shot this video with Dorin who gives us the most detailed and interesting look at how lacquers get plated.
One reason I felt this so important is an email I got from a readers who seems to have every version ever made of every great record. He responds to every reissue post with comments like, "Yes this new one is very good as is the original, but you know there was a second pressing done at plant in Lima, Peru that uses a special master and that one is easily the best...(etc.)" .
He will know I am talking about him when he reads this. Well, he sent an email in which he wrote "Once you've got a great lacquer, it's pretty much over...." (or words to that effect). Well, that is so wrong!
The lacquer cut is but the first step to getting a great record! Plating can make or break (literally and figuratively) a great lacquer and produce either a mediocre or great sounding record!
If you're not all that familiar with the process, and even if you are and haven't been keeping up with new tech used to plate lacquers, you're sure to enjoy this video! There's also at the end a snippet from Patrick Leonard's new album. Check it out!
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@F4O2R7D 5 күн бұрын

Great vid Michael, while I know a lot about plating & pressing from watching vids you have done over 20 or so years, this one is outstanding. I love how in depth it was on the plating side, and like you said is a very important step, all is lost if not done right. Doing it at RTI and with Dorin, they have been around a long time, so we get new and old tech all shown in one place. I learned a lot from this one you have now put out, added to all the rest you have done over the years.

@bill8985 Ай бұрын

Thanks for the tour and for keeping vinyl alive...

@hurkamur1 Ай бұрын

Man, that young Fremer video. You sound like your boys have dropped since then.😂 Great stuff. Cool to see the technology getting even better!

@osmanyhernandez4539 Ай бұрын

These tours videos are so interesting, specially when one have records pressed at those plants, you know exactly all the steps it took to make them. It would be even more interesting to have a video, or article about the actual state of record plants in general, what's good, what can be improved, etc. (Maybe there is). Amazing content!

@kirmussaudio7578 Ай бұрын

@osmanyhernandez4539 Having a clean room and area around the press and not see contaminants fall onto the stamper or cooling record should be encouraged. Hair nets, lab coats, gloves, facial masks as we see in production of silicon substrates, CD's, DVD's should be the norm. Not the exception. This would reduce the number of pops we hear in new pressings..

@bobt3374 Ай бұрын

That was an excellent review of the plant a very clever man about his craft & build`s his own machinery , Michael well done with showing an amazing work place.

@hurkamur1 Ай бұрын

That centering machine is awesome

@kirmussaudio7578 Ай бұрын

One of the best videos! Imagine the needle with tonearm, cartridge perfectly aligned in one's system making best contact with the record's grooves as pressed!

@michaeltrochalakis6526 Ай бұрын

Charles, does this process add any chemicals that may remain on the stamper and make it onto the pressed vinyl record? Possibly something that the Kirmuss process removes?

@kirmussaudio7578 Ай бұрын

@michaeltrochalakis6526 The Mother and Stampers leave no film deposits on the pressed record. As proven using the Keyence VHX 7000 digital 2D 3D microscope, a film is deposited on the surface of the record during the pressing process. Inherent to any such process, discovered by the Shure Brothers in 1977 resulting in their calling it a pressing oil, leading in 1978 where Shure provided a brush to attach to the tonearm, we call it a release agent, this us what the stylus has to contend with. The V15 Mark V solved the problem discovered with the mark iv. To the reverse where perhaps a residue during the pressing process would be deposited on the stamper itself once the record is popped out of the press, the stamper presses another record and with the pvc biscuit being heated and pressed, and if there was any residue on the stamper from the previous cycle, one would assume this is transferred to the record during the pressing process. Now this brings up a good point... I talk about pops created in new records where dust, dirt etc. around the cooling record landing on the cooling record get fused into the cooling release agent...release agent removed, pops removed. But what about contaminants landing on the stamper before the pvc biscuit is pressed? Hmmmm... Your question now sees me review situations where my process does not remove at times some heard clicks. It would account for seeing in the groove using the Keyence some pitting in thecrecord groove, voids.. it would seem. .... when I visited some plants I have not seen any press operator use, as an example, filtered compressed air on the stamper before another biscuit is dropped. Mind you some of these machines are not that clean and perhaps in these situations see more contaminants land on the stamper. One of the folks commented about contaminants entering the pressing area. I will do some more investigative work.

@OFBCyclingWorld Ай бұрын

Just loved when he played that "mother" in the office, what great sound. Another great video Mikey! Guru's everywhere!

@BillsBoxOfSound Ай бұрын

Loved this. I want that Patrick Leonard record!!!

@BronsonOsborne Ай бұрын

i really enjoy these videos thanks again for all the work you do and i appreciate it

@VinceFelix-ff9cf Ай бұрын

Mike, it's nice to see you made a video I can relate to once again. I still have your dvd video you made at RTI back in 2007 I think and this updated tour was fantastic! I see alot of update manufacturing equipment not shown in your previous old video. Now I can be rest assured the record grooves won't wobble from not punching the center hole accurately. I notice though this time, no employees weren't seen working the pressing machines? Was this a weekend tour? Thanks again for a breath of fresh air new video.

@mcgjohn22 Ай бұрын

great updated tour on RTI. I had not realized they process so many lacquers for other pressing plants.

@marktubeie07 Ай бұрын

Well this explains why I have never in my experience come across an off- center pressing by RTI, impressive. Great overview video Michael & it was indeed FUN !!

@rongreen1538 Ай бұрын

Very interesting and informative tour, thank you for taking the time to share it.

@frankvaliulis877 Ай бұрын

Great tour. Very informative. Keep ‘em coming.

@cosmicallyspeaking871 Ай бұрын

Simply fascinating!!!! 💝 Thanks for the great podcast 🧿Michael🧿

@michaeltrochalakis6526 Ай бұрын

Very interesting and fascinating video! Thanks for posting!

@oiygfdxssfgg Ай бұрын

Thanks for the tour

@franciscoop1063 Ай бұрын

@49:50 Had to chuckle at the Operator processing regrind in front of a cooling fan to allow dust to blow into the pressing hall...clicks and pops coming to an RTI pressed record on your turntable soon Folks!

@trackingangle929 16 күн бұрын

the regrind gets vacuumed and filtered before being used.

@manolokonosko2868 Ай бұрын

@07:20 Even with Michael's unsteady hand, I detect the spinning mother is off center. Look at the sequence space between the songs how it moves in and out slightly as the disc is spun. The end result would be a record pressed off center and lots of wow and flutter.

@BryceWilson-m3c Ай бұрын

Mothers are always off center. Centering doesn’t enter the equation until the center hole is punched in the stamper. At that point the centering machine looks at the lockout groove to determine true center.

@millerbakery Ай бұрын

This was edifying af

@leebridenstine2806 Ай бұрын

Cool stuff

@SgtMjr Ай бұрын

Fascinating look at how the sausage is made, one vital link (pun intended) anyway. Thanks MF.

@williamsharp5973 Ай бұрын

Wow - listen at the end.

@trackingangle929 Ай бұрын

Did you like it?

@SubTroppo Ай бұрын

"...scare you.." Reminds me as a small child standing on the platform of a railway station in the UK around 1961 and enduring the noise, smell and sights of an approaching steam locomotive. How can you run away when someone bigger than you is holding your hand tightly? ps My parent didn't bother give me what nowadays would be called a "trigger" warning.

@user-yn1yh6mz8n Ай бұрын

👍🔥🧐

@jazzkatt7083 Ай бұрын

Funny how Michael was shocked that lacquers don’t need to be rushed to plating. I believe it was QRP who did that. I could be wrong .😅😅

@trackingangle929 Ай бұрын

Everyone and I mean everyone for a long time said plate ASAP because of lacquer spring back. And generally speaking Dorin agrees earlier is better but it’s not as critical as we thought according to him’ and he knows…

@fj103 Ай бұрын

🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

@brianmoss5483 Ай бұрын

Was that a Stanton on that turntable?

@trackingangle929 Ай бұрын

Yes

@dorinwatchesutube 8 күн бұрын

Stanton 681EEE Mk2 Cartridge, Phanstiehl 4822-DEE stylus, Technics SP-10MK2A turntable. I also have the MK3, but I prefer the MK2.

@automatedelectronics6062 Ай бұрын

Scientology? The Church of Scientology????????????? ARGH!!!!!

@trackingangle929 Ай бұрын

They actually kept RTI going when vinyl was tanking….

@automatedelectronics6062 Ай бұрын

@@trackingangle929 Well, they do have alot of money to spend and are buying up lots of real estate, but I am very disappointed that RTI allowed that.

@DC-xx4kv Ай бұрын

Michael, Dorin was about to explain why he wants to remove the horn and then you interrupted him and talked right over him! So now we don’t know what the fuck he said or was going to say. Thx.

@trackingangle929 Ай бұрын

I don’t recall that being the case but I thought when he explained what it was made clear why it should be removed.

@DC-xx4kv Ай бұрын

@@trackingangle929 and the reason is? The distortion of the groove was mention but what’s the effect to the sound? He was at the machine saying that and that’s when you cut him off. I want to learn. And I know you want us to learn.

@trackingangle929 Ай бұрын

@@DC-xx4kvit results in a pop or click that after a few plays will go away as the stylus causes it to break off and then next time you brush the record it gets removed.

@DC-xx4kv Ай бұрын

@@trackingangle929 Thank you!

@dorinwatchesutube 8 күн бұрын

Removing horns from a mother can reduce pressing defects. Horns typically don't cause an issue, but when they do, we take corrective measures. One advantage DMM processing (cutting) has when compared to Lacquer processing (cutting) is that horns are not a defect when cutting the surface of a copper. This isn't to suggest DMM is a superior format, both have advantages.