Really? So we shouldn't expect to buy something fit for purpose?

My expectations are high, simply because there is a big gap between retail price and private sale price.

@@bobstirling6885you should expect a ‘used’ car ie a car that’s has had multiple owners, signs of fair wear/use hence the term ‘used. Far too many people expect an immaculate for used car prices.

@@AnotherKZfaqr460 you should expect a car to be fit for purpose and as described....those are not high expectations and dealers should honour them.

Depends what you mean by used car. A 1 year or 21 year old car ? Very different situations.

Considering how cheap a trader could get them, yes they should. Many dealers charge a 99 quid admin fee to squeeze more money from you over the screen price that should include a full HPI report.

The proposed ' licensing ' of established car dealers like yourselves and all the main dealers will not change anything you all do already. You do your best to make sure a car is as in its best condition for it's age because you want to sell it and to a happy local customer. My concern would be how much your license would cost you. This could be a way to raise revenue for Trading Standards. Beware.

The problem is,people want the reliability and condition of a new vehicle but don’t want to pay the price of such a new vehicle,even knowing the past history of a vehicle doesn’t guarantee it to be worth buying. What someone has already said the Asians will buy anything at auctions in any condition and just sell it on regardless of its condition sometimes without even cleaning it. It’s the buyers responsibility when purchasing to have the vehicle checked over by someone who knows what to look for before going ahead with the purchase or pay for the AA or RAC to do a condition check but they won’t because everybody want something for nothing. There is no way to buy a secondhand car and expect it to perform like a new one,I have purchased a couple of new cars and they have been nothing but trouble from the word go so it’s only reasonable to think these trouble some vehicles find their way back into the secondhand market. To pretend dealers don’t have a hand in this is ridiculous, they put them into vehicle auctions without a word of their faults which are passed on to unsuspecting buyer’s who then pass them to innocent customers and so the circle goes round. I purchased a new vehicle from a main dealer in Bolton which had problems almost immediately,returned it to the dealer who had several attempts to fix the problems and failed,i then contacted the manufacturers who told me it was the dealers responsibility to fix it and washed their hands of it and because of how much time had passed I couldn’t reject it. I lost over £8,000 on that vehicle in just over six months when I sold it to another dealer and purchased another new vehicle. A lot of this starts with the manufacture who often see defective vehicles to the Main agents who ends up being responsible for it and the make it difficult to get things put right because they don’t get paid enough for warranty work,had I put the vehicle on HP instead of buying it outright the finance company would have been liable,always and I mean always when buying from a dealer put at least £120-00 deposit on your credit card,this will give you extra protection should you get a faulty vehicle.

Im not so sure, think mileage blockers are used these days.

@@Kingdonnerkebab yes, but this guy who's got jail has just done straight forward clocking, bound to get found out, virtually every customer I get has already viewed the mot history and mileage on line.

Plenty of trade to trade fb pages with vans under three years old with mileages that don’t stack up once you do checks. The owner of one of the fb is best mates with bloke posting the 33k miles 21 plate vans and he’s also selling low mileage three year old cars… it just all stinks. Then you mention it post get deleted and removed from group.

He probably looked for car that had done big miles since las MOT and would wind it back before the next MOT

@@ShiftingMetal no they are bit clever - buy most likely ex rental vans before they go to auction, ie go to smaller regional van rental companies etc - no auction marker for mileage. Vehicles have never been to main agent for servicing (PSA Group don’t really have van dealer capacity) so there’s no record anywhere. Only way can tell is if gone into dealer for a recall etc etc and carvertical picks it up. Nearly bought a 21k miles van which had dealer visits at 68k and 73k and expected mileage of 85k 🧑‍💻🤦‍♂️

Maybe but I think you could perhaps sell 5 cars a year without a license and anythign over is maybe £100 for the year to be 'registered' so in a dispute, you can be tracked further than the local pub carpark

I could live with that and of the industry wss licenced it might get death traps and rust boxes off the road

Maybe, it won't be perfect, but hopefully it would cut down on that

It would if the log book had to carry the supplying dealer licence number which was checkable on a publicly accessible database.

No, vehicle score is pretty poor. It’s a very general check that gets bandied about by this guy because they have pay him the ££’s. So if the car is repaired not through insurance and hence no categorisation, vehicle score won’t know

@@dilan4123 neither would Car Vertical at 3 times the cost... I guess you'd expect them to know how many farts have been fired into the seats too ! They're a data service not clairvoyants 😂

@@ShiftingMetal never said CV would. Think they’re both as bad as each other although I know anything negative about Vehicle score can hurt your fragile ego

A lot of older folks I’ve noticed have lax MOT’s. I reckon it’s because they’ve been going to the same fred in a shed for 30 years and they can’t be arsed with the hassle or the garage is ripping them off.

It a father and son business and went everything doing as cheap as possible with ebay China made bit what they said it from oem bush from ford cous they didn't fit and the cheapest one from euro cars parts was £16 each and look lot more better made and am in Northamptonshire and they took it to some mot place in Birmingham and pass with no issues what about at least a 45 minutes drive just for a mot 😂

people clock them between MOTs and use mileage blockers in the first 3 years before the first MOT. Mileage blockers are rife in lease cars, even the police got caught doing it!

True, that's what I do 😂

Yes, 100%. Much like the gas safe register

The CRA doesn’t apply to B2B sales, only to retail. For B2B it’s still that old favourite from my day, the Sale of Goods Act 1979 that is enforced. such there is no automatic 30 day/6 month period, instead the more ambiguous “reasonable time”, which is determined on a case-by-case basis, so the cars in your example *would* be viewed differently in the eyes of the law

I started in an industrial unit with a ramp? Why do you ask?

You need to show them proof of motors trade insurance in order to get an account which is proof in itself of a registered trader

Yes, I know that. What I mean is if it become necessary to show a trading standards license, it might help weed out the dodgy ones. Plenty of people have trade insurance but you wouldn't buy a car from them!@@AnotherKZfaqr460

even if they class them as a trader they a side street trader your still stuffed if car is dodgy as you dont know where they based

From my understanding this exists no? Isn’t it 12 cars per year as a private seller?

@@Cyber5044 Would like to know this. Can someone confirm?

Oh god, what a fool I feel 😂

You have to wait to send a log book of because customers have to many rights and can return car within 14 days if distance sale or find a fault or even creat a fault !

it should be easy to unwind in the first few weeks, that much is true.@@MaxMax-th7uz

It was gifted to me by Vehicle Score for reaching 50k subs, it's not a genuine KZfaq one

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If you had paid a deposit with a credit card could you have claimed the £9k from them?

Crazy!

A small hurdle to entry wouldn't be a bad thing in my opinion

@ShiftingMetal that's easy for you to say, today sat in your position. American calls itself land of opportunity yet they have these silly licence for just about every business. That is called a barrier to entry and I'm passionately against things like that. I will add though that there is zero chance of this happening. The UK is setup in a way that makes it easy to start a business. UK pioneered it which is why you can literally set up a limited company in 5 minutes online fir £13! No chance will they follow the USA model because it doesn't work anyway

In actuality, there's adequate powers in place for trading standards to act against dodgy traders. The lack of knowledge about the basics of car mechanics is an issue though. For example, worn drop links can constitute a bit of wear and tear, £12 fix or an unroadworthy vehicle and the possibility of prosecution if it's supplied in that state. It just takes a bit of discernment and experience, that's all