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Mr Gupta Told everything but consciously suppressed how within few decades Lebanon became Muslim majority from Christian majority and what others can learn from this.

Indian secular nationalism prevails so long as Hindus are in majority.

The Christians declined to become a minority in Lebanon. Muslim Palestinian people poured into Lebanon. The demographics changed and lead to Civil war

Love how he don't tell us how many Christians used to be in Lebanon before demography change and a civil war 6:25 They never forget their agenda.

Guptaji thinks we all suffer from insomnia that's why he uploads at midnight. He is not wrong though 😢

Pre 1977 Iran was a fascinating country... Pre 1980 Afghanistan was a fascinating country... Pre Islamic Persia was a fascinating country... Pre Islamic Egypt was a fascinating country.... Turkey is most underdeveloped country of Europe and Malaysia is way inferior to Singapore...

Wonder what changed in a country that was called Paris if the middle east .....must be something to do with change of demographics

Ambedkar said - "I want to free India from all kind of ism and allow free flow of all ideas". This jitni abaadi, utna haaq is an absurd demand. It would be better if we pursue universal education, heathcare and good infrastructure rather than create permanent social barriers.

Even our pappu Rahul Gandhi wants to implement the similar Lebanon system in India of demographics. He said jitni abaadi utni haq or more the population more development for that particular community. Such is the IQ of this specimen who will lead our country to chaos if ever implemented just for political power.

Unable to comprehend every country where Muslim population has become biggest religious majority have gone to ruins. Probably exception is Bangladesh, but then almost 20% of Bangladeshi population has moved to India thereby creating artificial control on population. If there were to be the illegal bangladeshi back in thier country, we would know the real situation

When peaceful religion is in majority, they always mix religion and politics. There are 50+ such countries. They officially call it the Peaceful Republic of ABC. Lebanon is not unique. Peaceful want Secularism only as long as it is in minority.

Lebanon (and our own Partition - Jinnah argued for the same) is a good example of why Congress party's Jitna Haq Utna Abadi is a terrible, treasonous and poisonous idea. Proportionality derived from confessionalism is a disaster, you will never get the right person with the right skill set and experience to the do the job. If you want social justice, you need to remove barriers, not add new ones. You need to grow the economy, increase opportunities, increase the amount of choices a person has access to pursue opportunities.

I just want to say thank you Mr. Gupta for explaining geopolitics in a way I can better understand. Love from the US. 🇺🇸🤝🇮🇳

My grandparents came from lahore and they suffered for some time after partition. But today my father believes that a partion was a much better solution than otherwise.

Democracy & Political Islam cannot go together !! It is necessary to keep state Separate from Religion & whosoever leader is elected should respect everyone's Religion & should not discriminate on basis of Religion keep his own religious belief personal to himself !!

Jist of this story is, population is Destiny. Paris of the east was reduced to a infighting mess. All due to one great & peaceful religion.

Excellent & timely episode. This confessional type of governance was implemented in 1943 but it could not survive for even 25 years because of the civil war which began in 1975. Your analysis and particularly your comments about applicability of this sort of arrangement in India is 100% accurate. Apart from the article which you have recommended & attached, "From Beirut to Jerusalem" Is an excellent book for anyone wanting to know more about Lebanon. Nationalism certainly runs deeper among us indians thats why despite multiple languages, religions, castes, huge size, centuries of colonial India has not only survived but progressed as a nation. Great episode 👏👏👏

Thank you for doing this episode 🙏🏻 Lebanon is a perfect example of why Too Much Reservation and Jitni Aabadi Utna Haqq can destroy nations. Nevertheless INC has done more Divide and Rule than even the British did in India and definitely more than BJP. BJP only does based on religion. INC does it on religion, caste, regional divide and elitism.

Lebanon was once like Las Vegas ! A wealthy 50-50 divided between Muslims and Christians . Everything worked well till Palestinians forced out after a war with Israel entered Lebanon and as it always is with Islamists , everything went to hell . Majority Christmas from here are now in US .

Many experts argued to remove this reservation System for betterment of Lebanon but once given to people it is impossible to take it back from them, hence only option it left is to keep digging as Lebanon did, a self perpetuating vicious cycle and race to bottom

" Mixing religion and politics is like mixing ice-cream and manure. It doesn't do much to the manure but it sure does ruin the ice-cream." - Anon

This is jitni abadi utna haqq for anyone watching.... it ends in tears and people leaving the country

Another less known fact: Lebanon has a glorious 5000 year old civilizational history and was held up as a beacon of liberalism as they kept making concessions to their so called minorities. It has now devolved from one of the richest countries in the world to one of the poorest. Many lessons for India there.

Rahul wants to replicate Labnon through "Jitni Abadi utna Haq"

The problem is not proportional share in the power structure, the problem is democracy in deeply divided societies of the Thitd World. The truth is democracy evolved in small European nations with negligible diversity till the end of the Second World War. In third world conditions of deep fault lines, democracy gives rise to civil war ( Ceylon) dismemberment (Pakistan) perpetual ferment ( Nepal ) authoritarianism ( East Bengal) and violence and general lowering of standards to accommodate competing interests ( India) .

Sir yours & the print's commitment to speak what is right against popular opinions is something we don't find anymore in the country. People blindly choose side according to their ideological inclination without looking at the bigger picture.

Thank you Shekar Ji for this episode to educate about Lebanon. I do hope that people in India will rise above the caste wars that Nitish Kumar and Congress are unleashing on the Indian masses.

Dear sir , You did not talk about why the Christians fled. Why the demography changed . Ofcourse Muslims have more babies but it's also true that once their population is in majority, nobody matters . It can be a separate episode as to why such a beautiful country ,once called the Paris of East in 70s was brought to such deplorable condition. You need to say some hard facts And that you won't do because you need to diplomatic Good episode though But I don't think indian politicians are going to learn anything from it

3 things we learnt 1. Everything in Lebanon has deteriorated since 1950 EXCEPT the population of muslims 2. Lebanon changed from a thriving nation to a rogue nation, failed state - correlation? rise of Islamic population 3. it debunks the theory that caste doesnt exist in christianity - there are so many sects, practices in christianity also and one doesnt mingle with the other. Same with muslims - they have various tribes in addition to faiths like sunni, shias, deobandis, ahemadia etc who kill each other, nations are at wars based on intra muslim faiths

GUPTAJI INDIRECTLY CRITICISES CASTE CENSUS, AMBETKARITES, MANDALITES WILL SAY CASTE HIERARCHY IN PRACTISE

It is an interesting over view on what people espouse in India for caste based reservations. I have always been against reservations based on caste population. If reservations have to happen, make it happen based on economic wellbeing of the society irrespective of caste or religion. This will "hopefully" slowly allow reservations to be completely be removed. Thank you for the video.

With RESERVATION Lebenon is the Future of INDIA 🇮🇳😒😒😒😒

I read, when bengal was partitioned, there was a proposal floated by Surawardy, backed by Sarat Bose for a United sovereign bengal as a seperate country. They proposed this lebanese style power sharing between hindus and Muslims. Surawardy had an affinity towards lebanon. Probably he died in beirut. But the plan did not materialize, mainly because congress top brass like Nehru, patel and majority of bengali congrese (dominated by caste hindus) and hindu mahasabha (led by SP mukherjee) opposed it.

Another awesomeeee video, I have watched over 1000 episodes of CTC and the knowledge I have gained is immense. Thank you Print

Sekhar Gupta Drawing parallels between Labanese Constitutional structure and the recent calls by the INDIA bloc, originated by late Kanshi Ram : 'Jitni Abadi, Utna Haq' , multiple times in the CTC is hilarious. It looks almost intentional to some extent.

Lesson for India is that during partition 100% population exchange should have been mandatory ❗️❗️❗️

Where ever these peacefuls are in abundance there will be Chaos… unless you call it it won’t be stoped…. In India we lost our land before and we still continue to do the same mistake…. Now it is inevitable someday when they have even 30% of population, more chaos will be there… they will expand….

Ok. Nice. Having said this, whether DMK mixes religion ( atheism ) with the politics or not? If the DMK is not mixing, why the State Government occupies Hindu Temples?

For a change Gupta gave an honest analysis of situation in Lebanon in context of Caste survey in India and its pitfalls if implemented on the basis of ,’ jiski aabaadi uska utna huq’.

All this information is in the NCERT Civics book of the 10th class. Chapter Name is Power Sharing.

I have known talented Lebaneese and they are actually best educated in GCC. Unfortunately Beruit economy and law and order detoriated in last 7-8 years. A mixed society , similar to earstwhile Turkey would have been ideal, but religion is culprit here again.

Every evening I'm curious about what will be the topic of CTC & when Shekhar Gupta will upload. Nowadays its getting too late.

Mr. Gupta, I believe the modern English thesaurus has a word that quite succinctly yet accurate defines Lebanon’s situation. It is, quite simply, a clusterf*ck. 6:58

In happier times, Beirut was "the Paris of the Middle East", both as a financial centre and as a tourist destination. The growing/ exporting of illegal recreational drugs and the mass importing of used Mercedes sedans were just modern outgrowths of the ancient expertise in foreign trading that had lasted for thousands of years.

Sg,fantastic discourse. Ours is a strong constitution. Raga has a similar medieval mindset of jitna abadi sada haq

This should have been a "national interest" rather than CTC, because a lot of it seems to be just opinion. No evidence was mentioned, no references or citations given to show that the Lebanon is struggling as a nation pre-dominantly because of identity-based power sharing or that the situation in Lebanon is comparable to India's situation.

Very appropriate to have picked up this topic for this talk. The issues of human identity and there on tribe identity and there on caste (in India / creed elsewhere) identity has always been a sour point of co-existence. A modern sophisticated society has to understand this and be able to exist above this idea. Thank you for the talk.

Hi SG, I usually love your videos but this seems to be a very superficial understanding of Lebanon. The political situation in Lebanon is not comparable to that of India. Political instability in Lebanon is a mix of sectarian divisions, corruption, economic mismanagement, syrian refugee crisis and most importantly regional interference by Iran, Israel, Saudi, western countries

Great episode, thanks Shekhar!

Excellent explanation. Be sure to send it to Rahul and his supporters. There is or was another country where the presidency was reserved for an Orthodox Christian, prime minister ship for Sunni Muslim and speaker of the Parliament for Shia Muslim. I am referring to Cyprus, which was plagued by civil war and then invasion by Turkey which has resulted into de facto partition of the small island into a Greek Cypriot speaking larger portion and tinier Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.-recognised only by Turkey. Another not so funny fact. During the Mandal case hearing, advocates appearing for pro-reservation parties had cited Cyprus as an example to follow. But the judges of the Supreme Court observed that Cyprus had also faced a civil war and division. These were oral observations and are are not part of the judgment but the interchange between lawyers and the judges was reported by the press.

Share this episode with your favourite Rahul Gandhi - the saviour in waiting….

I wonder whether our netas, particularly RAGA, would ever read this episode and ponder over it.

This CTC is an indirect call to end reservation of all types.

With malice to none. It would seem from various media reports (including The Print) that India has a lesson to learn from whatever is happening in the world whenever with whoever and the media and experts will teach her. Tailpiece: A bit intriguing and bordering on preposterous.

You just have to watch this to understand how dengerous Congress party is for India

If you want to know what happened with Lebanon just listen to videos of Brigitte Gabriel she has talked comprehensively about downfall of that country

Terrific case study. You can do a similar case study for Nigeria.

Gupta ji has successfully skirted around the fundamental problem. He has presented the data but again shyed from mentioning the root issue. Let's see if people can pinpoint the root cause.... Hint its the same problem as the rest of the world

Thankyou shekar sir for the insight on the geopolitical situation.

I want to be like Sheikh Gupta. 😊

One of the best CTCs ever!

Woww... simply woww. Very very good content and articulated brilliantly. Jiski jitni aabadi utne unki hissedaari. This video should also be watched from the Lok Sabha delimitation point of view as well. If the South states feel victimized, nothing stops them to roll up their sleeves and get down to "business". They will definitely incentivise population growth and prepare for the next delimitation possible another 20-25 yrs time. Viola... we need a new Parliament building then. Jokes aside... this video should be watched and pondered upon by the law makers.

SG sir why go to Lebonan to learn about failure or death of political confessionalism.. Make your legal reporters read about the case in Madras High court between a Hindu activists vs government of TN on the speech by Minister Udayanithi Stalin on eradication of Sanathanam. The submission made by lawyer/MP Wilson 20 pages with 40 points clears when Sanathana could not win votes comes to courts. It is fascinating and thought provoking.

A good beginning by you SG some fresh air in the thought process. Show perseverance. You are slowly graduating from third party obsevations to concerned suggestions.

Please sir, we will be very grateful if you can research and explain how democracy works in India. We,as Indians don't know about our rights and from what I can gather from the news...our rights getting more and more narrow. Do we even have an Universal right anymore?

meritocracy should prevail.

Jiski jiski abadi uska uta haq Rahul gandhi wants india to become next lebenon He plays dumb in front of people acting as if bullshit comes out of his mouth randomly ,as he is like innocent who doesn't understand things but in reality he speaks with deep evil mindset and is most crocked politician in india

Yes, if it's implemented in India, it will have similar consequences.

SG, quran says stay low until you become the majority. My Malaysian colleague tell how non Muslims are treated. Muslims get tax cut. Anybody marrying non Muslim doesn't convert his spouse he-she has to give up citizenship. You wouldn't talk about it

How I wait for Shekhar sir's video every evening

Lesson from Labanon ,India should abolish cast/ religion based system of giving reservations & subsidees

The idea of 'jiski jitni abadi uska utna haq' is only with reference to reservation which is capped at 50 percent. Though even this idea for reservation is also flawed, it's certainly not what you seem to suggest.

The RSS had quoted the example of Lebanon long ago .

Caste senses will invite same situation here in india as well.

What a stupid governance system. Except for their cuisine nothing is good.

Reading example of confessionalism of Lebanon in 9th civics ncert as a case study back in school, i used to think that it must be very common knowledge. But now i realize that even Secondary NCERTs had some good material.

It's is not at all jiski jitni abadi uska utna haq. Shekhar ji it looks like you just cluttered it more instead of decluttering it.

SG, YOU NEED TO READ THIS.🙏🙏 👇👇👇👇 AGAIN A VERY UNPOLISHED VIEW POINT OF "JISKI JITNI ABAADI, USKA UTNA HAQ". BECAUSE BY "JISKI JITNI ABAADI USKA UTNA HAQ", WE AREN'T SAYING THAT THE POSITION OF THE PRESIDENT SHOULD BE RESERVED FOR SCs, POSITION OF PM FOR STs & THAT OF THE SPEAKER FOR OBCs. THIS IS ABOUT THE PARTICIPATION OF LOWER CASTES IN THE MACHINERIES OF THE STATE. WE'RE SAYING THAT WHY DO SC-ST-OBCs WITH A 85% POPULATION HAVE ONLY 10% OF GROUP A POSTS, ONLY 20% OF GROUP B POSTS & ONLY 40% OF GROUP C & D POST?? WHY DOES AN AVERAGE GENERAL CATEGORY PERSON HOLD 3 TIMES THE LAND OF AN AVERAGE DALIT?? WHY DO THE 10% GENERAL CATEGORY HAVE CONTROL OVER ALL THE RESOURCES OF THIS COUNTRY??? WHY DO THE 85% SC-ST-OBCs HAVE LESS THAN 5% REPRESENTATION IN THE MEDIA?? WHY DO THE SC-ST-OBCs HAVE MINISCULE PORTION OF PRIVATE SECTOR LEADERSHIP POSITIONS??? SHEKHAR, WE HAVE A HISTORY OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF DISCRIMINATIONS & PRIVILEGES BASED ON CASTE. THAT'S HOW THIS GAP HAS BEEN CREATED BETWEEN SC-ST-OBCs & GENERALs. "JISKI JITNI ABAADI, USKA UTNA HAQ" HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LEBANON. LEBANON DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A CASTE SYSTEM OF HISTORICAL DISCRIMINATIONS. SO, IT'S TIME YOU STOP STRETCHING IT SO FAR. IT'S BECOMING RIDICULOUS. IT'S THE SECOND TIME YOU'VE EQUATED LEBANON'S SYSTEM TO THE DEMANDS OF REPRESENTATION BY SC-ST-OBCs. IT'S KILLING ME TO SEE A JOURNALIST LIKE YOU, WHO I ADMIRE SO DEEPLY, TALK ABOUT THIS IN SUCH AN ABSURD FASHION.💔💔💔💔💔

Jitni abadi utna haq makes you a Lebanon

The downfall of Lebanon being liberal to the peaceful community has caused its demise, will other countries ever learn

Britain had divided many countries like India x 3, Korea x 2, Africa x 54...☝️☝️

Hi Shekhar. NICE NARRATIVE . One on how Lebanon was affected by influx of people from neighbouring Isreal will be interesting

Fabulouse Gupta'ji. This is worth a content.

Its high time India needs a UCC to put an end all the problems

This is the one reason why partition was only way out. Only nonpracticing abrahamic faith adherents, or dharmic eastern civilization adherents can be secular or democratic. We this throughout the world, or ethnically homogenous. We see this even within our northeast in nagaland, people often underplay the impact of religion in destabilizing the state. Had we offered Jinnah the prime ministership, we e would have Lebanon 20x , fractured forever poor and having clamorous call for sharia to be implemented . So contrary to populist versions of Shashi tarroor asking for reparations, the British did a favor by partitioning India and in a way amputating gangrenous arm and saving civilization body.

Nice content, extremely informative

Very interesting political history of lebanon..

Need to tell RaGa about the terrible ways of dividing ppl :( Tragic and horrendous conswquences

Lots to learn for Bharat from Lebanon example.

Lebanon is a lesson for those who don't want to accept the fact that demography change can wreck a country. We all have seen the Brigitte Gabriel video on KZfaq.

Jiski jitni sankhya bhari, uski utni bhagidari. 😂😂 Live example

Thanks SG for this episode.

Though it's not entirely about Lebanon and more a personal story. But if you want to see ground reality of civil war Lebanon days, suggest you to watch 'Incendies' by Denis Villeneuve. Start of the next big modern day director after Nolan

Two things bother me after going through this video and Sekhar may consider these for detailed discussion later if it suits him and his team: 1. Since most probably blems in the Islamic world emanste from mixing religion with politics can there ever be an agreement among Muslims something akin to the Treaty of Westphalia to end political feuds as Westphalia brought about in the Christian world? 2. Considering the highly tribalised nature of the Muslims is it ever possible for them to live under democratic system? Aren't they safer, quieter and happier under strong rulers as history would show it?

Fascinating history of lebanon

Respected GuptaJi, same in Syria too at present...😢

Similarity with current India is the definition of nationalism based on religion

Lebanese also considers itself an old nation. So that’s a bad comparison.

Guptaji thanks, learnt a lot about Lebanon