This is solid info. Im keeping my XJ as a mostly overland style rig. (3" lift on 31 to sometimes 32's). Since I have the ax15 I wont need to worry about gears up to 33" tires. Also, I have ordered a front diff guard as well as a skidplate "just in case". Just getting into offroad in a more serious sense and Ive found the community is mostly wholesome and eager to help. Thanks for the video

I just put it 4 low, and hope for the best

Jeep wj 4 in long arms , 33's . Heavy trimming of wheel wells . As far as clearance mods go ; 1. radiator support cut off and a high clearance support put in - gain 2 in 2 . Toss the low pinion d30 for a high pinion front axle and then clock TC 11 degrees - gain of 3 in under TC 3 . Cut out rockers f to r and weld in rectangular tube the entire length - gain of 2in 4. Get rid of stock exhaust and 3rd cat. Low profile borla muffler and 2.5 in pipe tucked up and out of the way - 2.25 in gain 5. Lower control arm mounts and shock mounts both moved up the axle - gain .3 in 6 . Gas tank lift ; cut out the spare tire space and raise gas tank . Shorten the gas tank brackets . Massive gain of 10 inches ! 7. Front end flip kit for rods. - I can't remember but it was a decent amount . 8 . Stuck with 44d axles . Built up axles so I won't need d60s . D60's will rob you of inches of clearance , forcing you to go bigger tires - $$$ 9. Hidden winch synthetic rope for increased approach angle and weight savings vs huge heavy and in the way bumpers. 10 . Wheel on my friends.

Yes. I think about all of that before i upgrade my ZJ. Which is why instead of buying some bolt on which bumper, i made my own and set it as far back towards the radiator as i could. Including cutting the grill so i could set out back 4 extra inches.

Great explanation.... But would be so much more valuable if you would actually SHOW on paper calculating the Breakover angles, along with SHOWING the broom stick method on a vehicle. Talking is great... Showing and demonstrating would really be advantageous to new guys.

Like you said depends on what you plan on doing. My 98 jeep wrangler (tj) has a break over of 29° in the middle and it isn't enough for the rock crawling and rock ledges I do.

I just mostly copied the JLU Rubicon on my JLU Sahara. 1” lift, 2” wider overall track with Bora hubcentric wheel spacers, Rubicon fenders, all to run 35’s on a mostly overlanding vehicle. Geometry is within stock parameters but I did add low maintenance Mopar LCA’s to get about 1° more caster for improved steering on the hwy. It’s been great! Oh and no roof rack. I don’t want it tippy. I try to keep the overall weight down as well.

My TJ had a poison Spyder armor with front and rear stingers with 37s. It only drug on the most extreme ledges. I never checked the angles but it made for a very capable rig. My current LJ, I threw angles out the door. We overland tour with a trailer. It wears front and rear ARB bumpers, Teraflex LCG, 35” MT/Rs. It’s a really capable rig but not the rock crawler my TJ was.

Great info, 2015 Jeep Wrangler unlimited, 4 1/2 “ lift, 35/12.5 Wrangler MT 29 degree break over angle. 15” center clearance 116” WB Great all around rig for off road and highway 🤙🏻

Always a pleasure watching your videos. Large amounts of information given in short amounts of time without a bunch of exaggeration. Great job

Loved this brother!!👊🏽👊🏽👊🏽

Very cool video, I’m really new to off roading with my 2015 JKU rubicon

Before lifting, big tires, mongo bumpers, long arm suspension, you should armor up your undercarriage, dump your sidesteps and install rocksliders. The Jeep stock angles are pretty good and and if you bottom out you'll not be disabled. My otherwise stock open diffs (LSD in rear) 02TJ with full armor does pretty good with a 2" puck lift, 31" tires and discos. I've been on hard rock runs with the Big Boys and the trail leader will look me over and say OK, we'll winch you over the hard spots. After dozens of runs I've only been winched 3 times and the Big Boys consider me a poster boy for nearly stock TJs able to play in the hard stuff. One key is keep your rig really light, no heavy aftermarket steel bumpers, no massive tools/spare parts, no winch, no rooftop storage systems, etc. I doubt I'm over 200 pounds from factory stock weight.

Another factor to consider that’s never mentioned is break over radius. While it’s related to break over angle, it’s the measurement of how small of a cylinder the vehicle could theoretically drive around. I’ll give an extreme example, the suburban, one is real the other is a 1/24 scale toy, the toy has the same break over angle as the real vehicle. The toy may have a half inch ground clearance but can be rolled around a 15” diameter drum. The real suburban would get high centered on the same drum even though it may have 10 inches of ground clearance. Area example off road is going over a rounded dirt hill. This extreme example illustrates that both break over angle and radius should be considered. Shorter wheelbases improve break over radius even if the break over angle is the same compared to a long truck. Break over angle better represents driving over a sharp corner like a rock outcropping, in other words, to get the same break over radius as a stock Cj2a in a long pickup truck would require quite the lift.

Watch Matt's Offroad Recovery here on KZfaq his Cherokee is all fabricated by himself plus his awesome offroad Corvair title Morrvair it's a beast he built for offroad recovery in Utah.

As noob this is the best explaination and calculation for breakerover angle, approach and departure angle. Thank you!!!

For the wheeling I do getting all my heavy items first rockslides front and rear bumpers and skids all installed cheap spacer and shackle lift. working on gearing and upgrading the front dif first currently running down my 33s once I get the stuff for gearing ima do 35s then going all out on suspension

the jeep at 3:00 omggggg

2002 Jeep TJ 20" under the skid. 95" wheelbase with a break-over of 45.7 degrees. Currently on 33s and Dana 44s.

Going with a 4.5 inch long arm with 35s on my 2 door wrangler. Actually this is a project I have been putting off for some time. I was debating on getting rid of the jeep and getting a truck but every time I get in the jeep after driving the work truck for a week I cant help but love to drive my jeep. Its just not the same. So I had spent the last 2 years or so saving some money while I made my mind up. I just cannot part with the jeep so I now have about 40k to do whatever I want to it. First thing that is getting replaced is everything underneath. I have skid plates but bumpers and sliders will be next. My current bumpers are just stock with the front chopped to make it narrow. It currently sits on 315s and other then that its stock. It has served me well on the trails.

Very good info for folks to know.

Some of the most fun I have ever had 4 wheeling is in my friend's YJ with 31" tires and nerf bars. We went down Bronco's Peak in San Diego which is rated for 33's and lockers. It took us all day and and we slid on the nerf bars all day but we didn't break or dent anything. Just go have fun. Stock JK and JL's can do the Rubicon. You don't need $200K in the bank.

Added 35's to my 2020 Stock rimmed Rubicon and may at some point to a small lift...My offroading will consist of beach and some trails here in NJ. So not rock crawling or anything crazy. Can see going getting a second Jeep at some point to have one for overlanding/Camping and one for top off fun.

This video was spot on, 15' taco overland build

Like you said depending on what have cause I have 94 Chevy suburban on 6 inch lift and 35 nitto trail grapps with a Detroit true trac with 3.73 in the and 3.73 open in the front and it will basically crawl over anything in 2 wheel drive and i have it axle deep in ruts and walked thru but I most do more mud range off-roading

Geo tracker on 31's. Approach 55°, Break over 31°, Departure 50°, Wheelbase 86", Track width 67", Clearance 12". Gets me where I need to go.

Great video man thank you !

Biggest mistake people make is not understanding they have a system that is all interrelated. You can have a great setup and one overlooked aspect can hurt performance significantly. I see this all the time where people spend tons of money on lift/tires/bumpers/etc and then run side rock rails with low hanging steps. You would be better off keeping the vehicle at stock height then running side steps. It’s also very common for people to spend a ton of money on a setup and then run all terrain tires that belong on a dirt road. The most important aspect of off road is traction, and nothing improves traction more than tires.

I've got a yj with leaf springs would I still go from the bumper to the tire or to the spring shackle to find the approach and departure angle

Upgrading to heavier axles will also provide great stability while allowing you to increase body clearance

2018 jku stock ,1st upgrade metalcloak front bumper, apex 12,000 badlands winch with the freedom line added ,and Spod rocker switches but no lights yet, next on wish list ,metalcloak rear bumper and there 2.5 lift with 35s .

Great Info ... nice job sir

I'm building my WK for overlanding purposes, so no rock crawling (since we don't even have mountains here in Finland). Currently at between 24-25 degrees breakover angle (if I calculated it correctly), which would be plenty for my use since most of the trips will be on good roads anyway. No reason to lift it more than what OME 2 inch MD gives. That'll allow me to put slightly bigger tires too than stock, which gives a bit more ground clearance 👍 Plan is to put some protection for my transfercase and other more exposed components too, since you never know if you'll end up on one of those "roads" that have bigger rocks or other potentially damaging stuff on them. Just to be sure. Nothing too heavy tho.

LX570 (aka Lexus Land Cruiser). 35x12.5R20s tires. Sensor lifted (1") with suspension in high mode (3"), is ~4" total suspension lift. 16" center clearance to frame rail. 112.2" wheelbase. Approach 35 degrees, Breakover 31.8 degrees, Departure 34 degrees

My ZJ is just bone stock for the most part. Engine is the 4.0 Inline 6 with 226k miles on it as of writing this, selec-trac tcase with 4wd part time and full time, as well as low range, 4 speed auto. Still figuring some stuff out because i just bought it January 7th 2022, but the approach and departure angles are 37 degrees and 30 degrees respectively. Breakover is where i eat it, 17 degrees, but so far this hasnt given me any issues. I think ive got 8 or 9 inches of ground clearance. Tire size is just the regular old street 235/75R15s, but im planning to upgrade to some 32 inch BFGoodrich KO2's in the near future, and a 2 inch lift kit because the jeep is more capable than I am as it is, and i dont want to abuse it too much. Everybody here is way more experienced than I, so if y'all have any cheap suggestions for my rig, please lemme know. I want to preserve the MPG if i can while still being fairly capable. Thanks folks!

still debating an aluminum replica of the Rubicon steel bumper ( MP concepts ). I try to keep my jeep function over form. Just don't know if I'd use it enough to justify, especially with the rising gas prices. Looking more to overland/ blizzard fighter in the winter months

Love the footage from the Upper Terminator trail in AZ.

Why litter? At 6:33 the red jeep passenger tosses trash out the window onto the side of the trail.

I have a 2021 TRD 4Runner with a 3.5in Icon suspension lift and I’m running 33in KO2. My breakover angle is 25.7 degrees. Unsure of my approach and departure angles. We are doing typical off-roading. To get a 30 degree breakover on a 4Runner you would need a bigger lift and to recalibrate the gears to fit 35s

I wheel a 14in wheel travel long armed 2 door Jeep rubicon jk. 4 inch wheel base stretch, 4.5 lift, completely built, and I run 37in sticky treps. It is extremely capable off road however it doesn’t climb rocks/ledges at all. It won’t keep up with 4 door wranglers on the same setup. My previous wheeler was a 2010 f250 with 40s on a cheap 6in lift, front/rear lockers, 137in stock wheelbase. Despite being unbelievably tall, and absurdly long, it wheeled circles around my Jeep. The only thing the Jeep is better at is maneuverability and ride. When it comes to building a off road rig that’s capable it comes down to this: Big off road tires (40+in) Beadlocks and 6-8psi max Strong parts (so you can actually make it) Lockers front/rear High underbody frame height Low gearing to give control and torque Wheelbase of 110 or so inches Things that are overrated for trail use: Suspension flex Low center of gravity Horsepower Electronic gadgets like traction control The f250 I built had no flex, high center of gravity, no hp, and my current Jeep couldn’t keep up on any hard trail (I know because a friend bought it from me and Ives wheeled with him since I built the Jeep). I am actually going to be building a new rig because I don’t have the heart to cut the whole back half of the Jeep up to run 40s and get another 10in of wheel base so it performs.

I have a 2009 chevy tahoe with a 2" suspension lift and road tires but I'm more into sand dunes so it's perfect for me I might change the tires soon but for now, it's perferct

Thanks. I’ve been through most of this in the H1/Humvee. My Jeep is not remotely ready for any of this.

Thank you it was help full🔥🔥🔥✌️

I have and ride a Honda dirt bike. I LOVE it!!!

Great content!

after some mods to my 2010 Grand Vitara (30.5 tires, 2 inch lift) i get 10.9 inches of clearance with my 103.9 wheelbase giving me only a 23.9 breakover. my departure and approach angles are much better tho, 42 in the front and 33 in the rear. needless to say ,my skidplates get a workout when i go to some more adventurous spots

Tj 2 inch supenion lift flat skid on 36s rear axle moved back 2 inches front out about .75 of a inch break over angle around 40 degrees.

Its good to see someone finally talking about this, not to mention a whole video

Know this BEFORE you buy a Jeep: you'll be replacing most of it to make this sort of capability reliable. (newer Rubis notwithstanding probably) Know this BEFORE you buy a 1FZ K294 Land Cruiser: you need only a few lift springs. I sub'd, so I feel I can say that. lol But really, no matter what you drive get out there and do it! It's awesome! Great info here. I think we'd all get along just fine and have a heck of a time. 👍👍

The funny part about the jeep gladiator is the short rock rails behind the rear tires, they'll do their job allright, but so much for your spare tire the heat shield and the tailpipe. You must do a tail end tuck as part of a lift in order to make this realistically functional.

95 geo tracker 2 door convertible. 4.5" Altered Ego lift. 35" buckshot mudders, for now. 89.5" wheel base, 18" of clearance. That comes out to almost 44" breakover angle. I suppose I should cancel plans for the 2" body lift and maybe even switch to 33" tires. I don't have an angle finder for the approach or departure angles but I don't have any bumpers on it right now and the front end only sticks out about a half inch past the tires. I would guess it would have about an 80 degree approach angle. The rear is almost the same. Edit. I was talking about approach and departure angles, but I should have been focusing on tip over angles. See pic to the left.

Do you have those formulas written out or an annotated drawing would be great too.

I have any '08 Wrangler JK 4dr 116" wheelbase with 3.5" lift and run 35's. My break over angle is 28.1 degrees. This works for what I need with occasional trail riding in the Rockies here in western Canada🇨🇦

Really informative. Thank you. Let's talk about the crazy footage running in the background. Wow! My 100% stock two door Rubicon would likely not make it through these trails.

thoughts on the new rubicon with the xtreme recon package stock from jeep as a set up?

2:58 you think he spoiled his pants? LOL

I have the 2024 4xe Willy’s and it’s stock and with 10,000 hard miles on it I’ve had O issues getting where I want to go lol however I’m not stupid and think before approaching departing a obstacle

Jeep WJ 4 inch long arm 33s 106 wheelbase, and 14 inches of ground clearance and a 2016 Jeep Wrangler front bumper for enhanced entrance angle

Great video and something to thing about as the wife and I start the build on our JK & JKU.

01 XJ 6" LIFT 33"S . To be fair i wanted a 4" but a 6" was sent to me, so its not my fault. around 38 deg angle.

if i remember I can give you the clearance i do know at stock my Nissan Titan 2023 was 9.8" ground clearance but i just did a 6" lift so'll need to measure it now.

my break over angle sucks with 181 inch wheelbase. Ram Megacab long bed on 37 inch tires.

I am building an 87 K5 Blazer. It is currently on 35" tires with a 6" Suspension lift. I do not know what the approach, and departure angles are.

There's no way to figure out breakover angle for offroad. Because there are no perfectly shaped triangular rocks in the woods. So there's never a GOOD or BAD angle cutoff. The only thing you need to remember is: 1. Larger tires are better but require full drivetrain upgrades. 2. Optimal wheelbase is 110" to 118" 3. Keep the COG low as possible without sacrificing uptravel. Thats it...

the trail at :25 where is this at love the cactuses and stuff

The skill of the driver also plays a big part. No matter your rig if you don't know how to drive then you are screwed. Lesson 1: buy vehicle and learn how to drive it without mods Lesson 2: determine what kind of off-roading you would like to do without mods Lesson 3: built vehicle to what you want to be doing

I have no idea what all of my angles are on my Tacoma. I need if try and figure it out lol

What size tyres do I add to the new 5 door JIMNY which has a 2590 Mm wheelbase with a 24degree break over angle. Presently it has 195/80R15 tyres. Would a 235/75R15 be ok ? Thanks

Was hoping you'd have pictures of what you talking about like the thumbnail that would be awesome.

For me it is simple to report what the current state is, as it is stock, so stock I still haven't taken delivery of it (happening in December) :) Approach 31, break over 22, departure is 24... It is an Isuzu D-Max, wheelbase is 3125mm. I'm not planning anything crazy, a small lift, slight increase in tyre size and it has to be a daily driver too.

Ramp over angle it's called in Australia, approach, ramp, departure angle

This was a pretty good segment. I think a couple of graphics would have nailed your explanations though.

I have been high centered off my old rams transfer case it really sucked had to be very careful

I got a 2000 4runner stock and it's already top heavy

3:00 holy moly how did that thing not break in half.. how did that tire survive

Any chance showing how to do all of this measurements? 🙁

I'd like to buy 2014 dodge durango or 2009 jeep commander and do a lift kit, bigger tires and underbody protection which the total vehicle hight won't exceed 2 meter due to dally usage and offroad ready

Awesome intro, interesting video, liked, subbed, commented.

What is the measurement called for when you are driving off a shelf or some other near vertical obstacle and you bury your front bumper in the ground before your front tires hit the ground? I had never considered this "angle" before last week, when I drove off the side of a wash, which luck would have it, crumbled and I was able to avoid going nose first into the dirt at the bottom. By the way, love the style on the videos, I like the down to earth, factual narration, the good info and the way everything is provided with a why...one thing that would be nice is some captions on where the trails are that are being used to demonstrate the topics discussed...obviously southern AZ from the saguaro cactus I see, but those are some hardcore trails!

Get adjustable gas suspension, you can have any angle you want without losing stability on highway

I just bought a set of wheel and tires from you guys for my 2021 jeep wrangler Rubicon. I opted for balancing beads in the tires. My question is , do the beads need to warm up before they smooth out cuz I just took a short ride and felt that the steering wheel was shaking a bit. It didn't do this with the stock 33" tires. I realized that buying tires on line that there is no local help and you guys don't post your phone number on the web site.

If Jeeps were really 'trail rated', wouldn't they have all this stuff built in from the factory? The Toyota FJ-40 would go everywhere right off the showroom floor.

My break over angle, approach angle and departure angle are... present.

I have a 2016/5 GEN four runner trail edition what’s the tallest tire I can run with my 373 gears without having the vehicle bog down too much

Low cog and flat skids FTW.

So is it bad that I have a 60 degree break over angle

wow that that trail was gnarly!... get to the top... finds honda civic made it up the trail somehow

Completely zoned out and just watched the rock crawling.

Might be worth pointing out that while too much breakover angle has cons, there is no penalty for maximizing approach and departure angles.

u can raise your frame up all u want but your true ground clearance is caused by tire height,i have 13 inches to bottom of diff's using only 35 in tires,on a 79 bronco

Its interesting. A Gladiator needs 18 inches of ground clearance to have the same break over angle as a 2 door JL with 12 inches of clearance.

1st questions should be "What are you wanting to do with that vehicle". If you are just overlanding and not going full blown crazy at the Rubicon or Prichett Canyon do you need anything more than 35" tires as example? Define your purpose and build from there.

My BC Customs SRTV Rig on 40" Maxxis Trepadors features long-travel suspension and has an approach angle of 74°, a departure angle of 37° and a break over angle of 32°, while the sidehill angle is 45°! I couldn't add my rig to your site, it doesn't have a place for "Other" for Brand or Type

Nice

The best value for money upgrade when it comes to performance is front and rear lockers! You could spend $3k on lockers or $3k on suspension but lockers will always get you further.

What is the offraod video in the background

When i told people that i was going to lift my ZJ 7in i for a lot of flak for it. People saying it was too tall, that i was going to be too tippy, that i was building a "Mall crawler" etc. Never had an issue with any of that. Never tipped or rolled over. In fact, i have a video on my KZfaq channel taken shortly after i installed the lift of my ZJ climbing a 7ft waterfall. Despite having only 33s and open diffs, I was the only rig to make it over that ledge in a group of 15 jeeps, including a few well built JKUs on 37s. They all got hung up on their cross members. In the video you can see all of the spotters just assuming i would take the easier bypass just because i was the least built rig and they all assumed that since they all failed, i wouldn't even try. Then i just rolled right up and over. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Zrx-ZrFjrLOVl2g.html

How am I supposed to pay attention to what you’re saying when you got such great B roll playing?

I dont know anything about offroading. But that is pretty insane. 3:00

stock 1500 apparently break over angle of 12.5 degrees.