Eggs. Act. Lee. The more people out there enjoying it safely and responsibly will only help this sport/hobby out in the long run. Had a guy snap an axle recently on a ride, i felt bad for him and kept apologizing...he kept saying "a bad day on the trail is still better than a good day sitting at home". I even don't mind seeing mall crawlers...because they are buying Jeep parts...keeping the market viable for the rest of us!

InstaBlaster...

this positivity is what makes wheeling great! these guys all did well. that first climb with ruts looked interesting!

Any day on the trails is a fun day! They can get through more than one initially would think! They have their limits, but its not just for soccer fields and parking lots!

I think Trailhawk might be #2 behind Rubicon on a muddy hill climb... As far as traction on dirt goes... Probably #2 out of all jeeps. On rocks... Yeah maybe a Wrangler sport with 40s can take it. 2 inch lift on the trialhawk is like stock Rubicon to me. My humble opinion.... Dunno if Jason agrees ...

Haha! Yeah, most Jeepers are great folks! Its amazing to see such a strong community based around owning a vehicle. But as with any group of people, there are some that are not as open. Its just life, and that bias is also one of the reasons i started this channel, to get more info out there!

cheers to that!

We got a few odd reactions throughout the day since there wasn't even a wrangler in the group. That is one of my favorite parts of taking the KL out...most of the people you run into on the trails are not expecting to see it, and it shows on their face!

@@FearlessTrailhawk Fabulous comment!

Got a 2019 KL trailhawk over other, let's say, more capable machines for 2 reasons. I have a family I need to haul around as my daily driver and I want to be able to handle a good amount of offroading challenges. These videos are awesome. I'd love to own a wrangler but it's just not practical. I feel the newer cherokees are a good blend. My best friend is a hardcore wrangler owner and was super excited for me and just loves to crawl and get to places most can't. I feel people like that are like that are the true Jeepers. The haters just want to feel elite at something. The same people who want to shit on the Toyota FJ and 4Runners and the like. We all love the outdoors and upgrading our rides. Keep crawling!

@@m.g.1089 Right on. Full disclosure, since I posted my initial response, I got rid of the Wrangler and went back to the cult of 4runner... for much the same reasons you went with a KL TH. It was a toss up for me between the two, and ultimately I just like Toyota. For real world application with more than a passing dash of off road capability 4runner and KL TH are VERY hard to beat.

Glad you enjoy it! You'll definitely have some fun times in the new Jeeps! Hoping to get some more KL content out over the next couple months.

@@FearlessTrailhawk stay safe on the trails my friend and maybe someday we'll see you out there, thanks again for your channel man seriously and have a blessed day

Thanks for trusting me with your ride! It is always great to meet new people!

You can do a fair amount stock. We had 2 bone stock TH's (with newb drivers) on this ride, neither of them had to get pulled. Lift and tires cause extra wear on other parts, so be prepared to start replacing CV's and other suspension related bits that won't be covered by the dealership. If i didn't ride so much with my club i'd probly left it stock with just the rock rails. I really miss being able to say "yep, and i'm still stock".

Thanks for the advice. I keep forgetting that lifts and other mods do place extra stress on the suspension and running gears. I may just do rock rails at least and perhaps increase my tire size to 255/70 or 245/70 . I’ve read a lot in the blogs about using that tire size without any lifts or pinch welds but I get so many conflicting answers. What’s your take? And thanks for replying by the way.

The gen2's have smaller front wheel wells, but even then, tire size is one of the most helpful forms of lift you can get, and even 1/2" more clearance can make a big difference. As to which size won't need to grind, it is really a per-vehicle thing as some do and some don't, for whatever reason. Mine is different fits between driver/passenger sides.

It was a great day! Its a great little Jeep...has its limitations for sure, but it is a blast!

Thanks! There are others owners that have good vids, but they don't post many of them!

Thanks, i think you made an excellent choice!

Thanks! I've run with a few gladiators and they are also fun to see on the trails, the wheelbase makes some obstacles more interesting for sure.

3 of these were bone stock. And technically we aren't doing anythibg to void warranty as we're just driving down county roads to "visit friends". Only issue i've had with warranty is the CV boot that got torn by debris, and the bent strut mount from taking a bad line over a big washout.

@@FearlessTrailhawk I've seen off-road insurance and that sort of thing does anybody actually buy that and do you even need it if you're on an actual road that just happens to be a dirt road I can't see how they would have a leg to stand on

@@fordfiveohh nothing that umderwrites for ohio last i looked. Either way you'd still be fighting the negligent use/abuse claim they would make to get out of paying.

My brothers biggest reason to no go sooner was the stock bumper doesn't have that great of approach angle and he didn't want to tear it up. But we both love the X, it is great for road trips and some mild offroading now too!

Fearless Trailhawk hmmm, that’s good to know. I’ll probably take him on a moderate trail at first to ease him into it!

Thanks man! Join a local Jeep club and get after it! Don't be discouraged by some of the haters you will encounter.

No worries mate. I appreciate the open mind. We all have our off-days, it happens, especially when we've been stuck at home for a month or more. Thats why i do my best to remain calm and at this stage it doesn't bother me so much as makes me sad for the community. No harm no foul, take care.

He had fun and thats why i do it!

They really do okay for what they are. They definitely have their limits...but they are still fun to take out on the trails!

@@FearlessTrailhawk What are their limits?

@@marki61422 deep ruts, as our control arms are lower, and general ground clearance since we are limited on lift and tire size, unlike wranglers where the sky is the limit. But they will follow the average wrangler down the average trail.

The cherokee also has a true rear locker. We like how clean that bumper looks, he was very particular about looks. He didn't like how crappy the approach on the stock bumper was. I just wish that same company kept making them for the KL's. (aluminum fascia version) The Milestars on the X are pretty quiet...on the KL...yeah not so much. And the X is soo much more roomy inside for road trips, plus the seats are some of the most comfy i've driven for long distances!

Thanks for watching!

Yep, my favorite part of wheeling it was the reactions i get!

Yes I thought they were sissy cars, Changed my mind, especially when I just cancelled my xj, and got a trailhwk.

It was a great day!

The two that had the least trouble in the whole run were the two that had non-stock tires!

I agree, and that's why I picked up some used 255/75/r17 KMs the following day LOL

I LOVE driving my bougie Jeep on the trails!

Find a good club and get out there! Biggest advice, never wheel alone!

@@FearlessTrailhawk appreciate it! I'm in the Toledo area any good club recommendations?

@@azmo1981 MOJO, link in the description. Unfortunately they are more active south central ohio. Not familiar with the toledo area.

The Ranger was a green driver, but he had more issues than the green driver in the old 4Runner. There are a few KL videos out there from a few years ago, but they seemed like they were more one-offs on those channels even though they have LOTS of views. Hoping i eventually eventually get to that point! But thats why i do what i do, to help curb that bias as best i can!

The ranger had his emergency brake on by mistake on the one run

Just a small scratch on his tail light so far as i could tell. Small enough he wants to come out again....lol

Thanks man! I'm the same way with background audio be it music or voiceover or whatever, i like hearing the original sound audio if possible. (except from drones...in most cases)

Thanks dude! HS owner us a pretty cool guy, he even came out to one of my rides last fall! You'll enjoy the new look for sure!

@@FearlessTrailhawk Yeah, he seemed very nice, and he told me about that. Very cool! Did you use a brake line bracket of any kind?

No relocation, haven't had any issues, just had to adjust the anchor point a bit. (the shop that did the lift adjusted it, i don't know exactly what was done, sorry)

@@FearlessTrailhawk Thanks for getting back to me. I ended up having a conversation with Dobinsons and Jesse with MFC. He gave me some good info on how to install the Dobinsons kit with spacers. I think I'll talk with the mechanics about the anchor point. Take care. I look forward to more of your videos. I didn't know you came to KY. I'm in the Lexington area. If you are ever in the area again, is there a way to sign up to be part of the crew? I'd be hesitant to go by myself.

I'm just glad i have a 'local' area to go...some people don't have that option (this is still 1.5 hours away from me)

@@FearlessTrailhawk where are those trails located? I'm in NE Ohio, and would love to do a little off roading with my Titan Pro4x.

@@thetacticalape8852 these are old roads near Chillicothe (south central). There is a nice park up near you, Southington Offroad, i haven't been there yet, but i hear good things about it, cet the are only open one weekend a month.

Keep an eye out for when i post up a ride. This spring/early summer will be busy as things get re-scheduled and added as we come out of quarantine, hopefully i'll host a few rides this fall.

Yeah, we have our limits, but we also have AC ventilated seats, head steering wheel and seats, a power double pane sunroof. :) I'm all for the cheaper built rigs, its fun to wheel with them and watch them do some crazy stuff, then i get to drive home in luxury having spent a good day with good friends! I just don't understand all the hate, but i also don't understand why so many people bought 500 rolls of toilet paper either...maybe its related?

Kristopher mathis Wrangler Bro’s are worse than Bernie Bros

@@rt4ztom That's a true story.

Fun to watch. I bought a 2016 Jeep Cherokee limited last year. I love my Jeep. Keep on Jeeping.😃

For the water crossing? There were some SxS's that were puttering around the area. I never looked at that rear quarter of the Ranger, but i imagine there was some light scuffs. Unfortunately for that section you go where the rut sends you, he was just straighter and wider in the back than the rest of us.

@@FearlessTrailhawk Figured as much, sounded like quads in the background.

Ranger had light scuffs but the flex was great, when ebrakes wernt on lol. The editor was nice in this video for sure

Used to do a few every year, but then i got busy or had other things preventing me from hosting. Hoping to get atleast one in this year. But the trails we use are slowly becoming less friendly to stock-ish that don't have wide rock sliders.

Thank you sir! I'd love to wheel with ya sometime. I try to list upcoming outings at the end of each video, and list them in the description. This particular ride was initially posted, but i didn't advertise it much after the 'stay at home' because i didn't want it to get too large. After that, a lot of my rides end up being with the club that are usually 'member only' rides. But for open rides i try to post them up when i know ahead of time. There is also the "community" tab on my channel where i've started trying to post when i'll be doing something. But lots of stuff is up in the air atm, and as soon as this mess blows over i'll be super busy with club rides and events for a while i think.

@@FearlessTrailhawk yea this whole pandemic thing is nuts, I understand plans being up in the air. You know more trails than I do down there, I'm looking forward to conquering them all. I'll keep checking your page on here for updates on when you'll go. In the meantime man, feel free to subscribe to my page as well.

Glad you are enjoying the videos! I just love being able to run regular trails and drive home in comfort!

Get on some of the Trailhawk facebook groups. Hazard Sky abd MFC are both good companies, get the collars if you get Hazard Sky ("ohioTH" for 10% ). If you plan to wheel it much, go ahead and order Rocky Road SuperSliders. Worth every penny.

Depending on where you are located, you may be able to get dealership to install lift and fully maintain warranty. MFC (one of the companies that makes lifts for us) has agreements with a number of dealerships. As to my personal experience, i'd say don't there aren't many issues until you do more than 2". Currently i'm sitting around 2.5-3" and i've had a couple CV's go bad and one of my bushings. That may also be due to me taking it on the trails a lot as well. They certainly look better with a lift and tires.

He also let off at just the wrong moment, the other 3 TH's behind him also had firestones and made it fine. The stock behind him made sure to let him know it too! #shotsfired Honestly i never had problems with my firestones, but i wanted bigger tires and the milestars were the right price.

I know I know... :P Just a funny thing that happened. I've gone up that hill a few times now and never gotten stuck, but of course when a camera is out, it happens. go figure LOL

My right rear went out before i got lifted, i think it was partially due to some unseen collision damage. I got it replaced and the replacement went out within a week, dealership claimed the lift was responsible and "it will just go out again". Drove on that for 2 months then replaced it before the Colorado trip. At some point late summer, the left rear started clicking. Have driven on that since and will likely replace that soon-ish. The right side is still doing fine since the 2nd replacement in July (i think it was either bad part or bad install). Nothing from the fronts *yet, but i will be purchasing the RCV front axles at some point this year...really wish they would make the rears as well. But also keep in mind, i wheel the piss out of mine.

@@FearlessTrailhawk Gotcha gotcha!! Thanks for sharing man! Really helpful and insightful info :)

Glad you enjoyed the video! Yes, all the TH's have lockers, but they weren't engaged all the time.

Nothing you wouldn't expect from offroading. If you lift it physics happens and the CV's will wear more than they otherwise would have. Lots of people take these on the trails and never have any issues. You may have issues, you may not. Take it out and have fun!

This was a little bit from each trail we did that day. And sorry, but out of respect for the landowners, i don't give out specific locations as it is very easy to end up on private property and piss off the land owners...which can complain to the county and get the "roads" closed...

The KL TH have Active Drive Lock....which is a legit mechanical rear locker!

You would have been dragging belly a LOT. And you would have likely needed pulled a few times. So without steel skid plates and no tow hooks and no 4low and street tires, it would have probly not gone so well. The club did have a lifted and tow-hooked AD1 latitude come along for one of the club rides, but the also had to sit one trail out and had to get pulled through one of the ruts. Just being honest.

Congrats man! Look up some of the Trailhawk related groups on Facebook, i have a ride on the 14th, and it is posted on the event tab on a few of the groups. Also, look into joining MOJO, their monthly member rides are great for beginners. Sadly there is not much around Ohio for full size 4x4.

@@FearlessTrailhawk Nice. I wont be able to make the 14th but I will keep an eye out for future rides. I will join MOJO as well. Thanks for the info!

Clearance? Not quite sure, i know the lowest points are the rear control arms, which only get raised with larger tires. I'm running about 2.5-3" lift with about 32" tires.

Fearless Trailhawk thanks. Don’t laugh but I was asking cause I have a lifted Subaru Outback that I hit some trails with. I know it’s only AWD and lacks the power of your Jeep but I have fun . Your videos make me wanna push my Subie a little harder. Keep on wheelin!!👍

Stock i'm at 8.9 inches? (i'm not sure exactly where they measured that though) So add about 4" from lift and tires to everything that isn't control arms. You'd be surprised what some of the AWD systems will do, i don't think you have a low range, so that will limit some of your grip/torque for some situations, but so long as you enjoy it, go for it!

Fearless Trailhawk thanks man. Keep hittin them trails!! Enjoy

Not a clue. As i have zero interest in ever doing a roof rack the only name i can maybe point you towards is Gobi.

3? of them were stock, at this point i don't remember exactly what everyone else had/didn't have...

Thanks , good staff

It is funner when someone else comes along! I usually get stuck riding solo...

Unfortunately lots of trails get rutted out easily. These trails are no exception. Just have to catch them at the right times when the ruts aren't too bad. This is on some unmaintained county roads local-ish to me.

Mix of stock and modified. I didn't ask anyone for feedback about their tires...so can't help ya there. From my experience i never had any issue with the stock firestones for the 1.5 years i've run them. I currently use them as my 'daily' wheels to keep the mileage off the MT's.

Not sure as you have a different model. The didn't start the KLs (Cherokee) until 2015, so you probly have one of the Grand Cherokees? (WK) and i'm not sure if they had an offroad trim for those back then...you'll probly have to build it up to trail with...so at that point, won't be much different than anything else with those same upgrades.

Making deliveries...its a county road and there are houses on it. That portion is dirt/gravel, and most cars can get to that point, it was just funny seeing it because the hill he just came up can be rough sometimes.

Fearless Trailhawk o ok 👌 thanks for answering my question

MFC or Hazzard Sky, both are about the same design and i think mostly the same materials. Both have decent websites. Don't just call up any 4x4 shop and ask for KL lifts...there are some good facebook groups dedicated to KL's that have lots of good info on them. If you pick HS, use "ohioTH" for small discount.

*looks at the Ranger that was in the vid...unless you mean like some of the larger super duty's and such? Tacoma's, Frontiers, Gladiators, and the like have all gone down these trails. They can get a little more beat up because they stick out a bit more in the back. These are all public county roads. There are a couple places to park trailers, and there are always sxs's on those trails. Like i said in the vid, there were a metric tonne there this particular day...i'm not sure where all the trailers were parked though...because we probly saw well over 100, and encountered a couple groups of maybe 20 or more. I'm not a sxs guy, so i can't really answer the trailering question as well, other than the area we usually stage and trail prep for Jeep rides, some people will leave trailers there.

Maybe I can help a bit more on the full size portion, being married into that Ranger, we have had a couple F-150s in the past, Those specific trails would be too narrow for a F150 you liked the paint on. Some of these roads you have to slide to the side and let another group by and even my TH got some tiny scratches from it on that ride. Gotta pay to play tho

I personally run around 18 for the usual trails. I advise everyone on each of my rides to do the same, but some people just don't want to. I cannot force them to. I can just give them my advice.

This ride consisted of a number of old unmaintained county roads near Chilicothe. Unfortunately it has proven unwise to give people the trail addresses as it 8s easy to take a wrong turn in this area, and the locals can get very protective of their private property. Most of the Ohio based jeep groups do organized rides through the area. The trails have also gotten a bit more challenging in the 3+ years since this video was filmed.

84,000 km's on my 2018 TH and not a problem. Just regular oil changes and tire rotations.

94k+ miles on my 2017 trailhawk. Only changed the battery once, headlights, and oil. Still on original brakes and tires, but there about done.

As soon as I hit 90,000 miles my ptu went out on me, head gasket blew and radiator went bad. Cost me around 5 grand to get fixed.... I'm at around 101,000 miles now we'll see what happens next

They were normal?

Maybe they just need a snickers? I'm with you, it doesn't matter what you are using, if you are out there enjoying a sport and doing it in a safe and responsible manor, it can only help to spread awareness and help the sport grow in a positive direction. I do my best not to discriminate, as i am usually the recipient and it can suck sometimes. Yes, the 4Runner is stock with the exception of some light AT cooper tires? As to offroading, i'd never been until i owned my previous Trailhawk for a year...then went on a stock ride, on most of these same trails, and was instantly hooked! Yeah there will be more expenses and repairs, but i think it is worth it.

Bahahahahahhaha....... GET A REAL JEEP..... That Nissa does better than all those fiats bahahah funniest thing I've seen yet. My 94 grand is more of a trail hawlk than this ifs POS

There's some toxicity in the jeep community. Most off roading can be done in a 2wd vehicle. Not everyone wants to crawl up boulders

@@jamesalexander958 He just needs a snickers i thinks... It is really sad to see though. How does that do anything but hurt the community, i just get it. But more trolls equal better interaction and better YT algorithm placements, so it doesn't hurt my channel any...lol

Rule of thumb, dirt = low. Now after that, 99% of the time i have it in "auto", then occasionally i'll put it in "Sand" if i need the wheelspin to dig through a rut/mud hole. Sometimes i use the locker if it looks especially bad, other times i dont. I use "Rock"...when i'm climbing over a binch of rocks, and again, locker on only if a bit looks bad, then it goes back off until desired again.

@@FearlessTrailhawk Thank you! This helps a lot as I am just starting to take my trailhawk off-roading!

Most were aired down to ~20 psi. Unsure of the Ranger and 4Runner, and one of the other TH.

I believe the only two fully stocks were the two grey gen1's. The 19's all had atleast a lift.

@@FearlessTrailhawk Wow, it is incredible how capable stock Cherokee THs are for their price point being so new

Stock specs say 19". Approximately where the top of the black plastic trim on the side of your doors is. Its more for all the other components. Your air intake is actually right behind your headlight...but there are lots of other electrical components they couldn't get much higher. Personally i've done about 2.5-3 feet ONCE. Had a random CEL for a couple days that went away on its own before i could get it checked.

Fearless Trailhawk awesome thanks!

That was all you baby! Thanks for coming out man!

Do it for the video!!! Or was it vine...anyways I'll always be ready for a ride, it's now up to Winry LOL

Perfect intro

@@sportmotor181 The instant i saw that while reviewing footage, me and my brother just busted out laughing and i said, 'Thats it, thats the into!'

The older model like TFL had could likely have done decent. I'm not as familiar with the newer models, though i believe they are less capable than they used to be.

@@FearlessTrailhawk Thanks

There may have been some light scratches on the rear quarter, but i didn't look at that area so i don't know.

Tiny damage, partial driver error. The ebrake works well...oops

They were atleast older, maybe not even ATs, within a few months he had replaced them with proper ATs (i don't remember the brand)

Yep, most of us based around ohio/miami valley.

I don't believe so, open diffs so far as i'm aware.

A lot, eh? Only the truck had FL plates...and one KY plate...the rest are good 'ol OH-IO Sorry, dont know any clubs down there...

@@FearlessTrailhawk well thanks anyway! I used to tackle the same kind of obstacles when I lived in Missouri. Florida is a bit more flat. I’ll keep looking for my fellow trailhawk people down here lol.

negative ghost rider. Wheel spacers on the KL usually increase the amount the larger tires rub in the wheel wells. Some do run them though.

Old county roads in south central ohio.

Umm, which part? The only reason the driver in the red KL did that obstacle well is because it wasn't his first time with me, and he takes spotting directions VERY WELL. That side wall is not something i would let new drivers attempt, even with spotting, as inches matter, just a LITTLE bit off and you are on your side. The trucks could all make it without straddling the rut, and that is the safest option. I've seen too many rigs on their side in this section to take it lightly.

All the cherokees are Trailhawks. I think there were 2 that were bone stock.

Likely the same reason chevy slaughtered the Blazer revive...'artists' in charge? They likely needed all the curves and round edges for the MPG requirements. Honestly, its grown on me and i actually like the look!

@@FearlessTrailhawk DRL and headlights in different unit is what other are now opting for. And Jeep moved away from it to adopt earlier style (DRL and headlight in single unit).. even back of the car looks bit boxy... What I liked is teardrop design of DRL

@@user-ib5rj8zq9b imo, the gen2 (19+) has the best headlights of ANY vehicle i have ever driven. And i prefer the new look of the headlights/eyebrow running lights.

Not sure, its the James Dietz guy who commented earlier...

Fearless Trailhawk ok thanks

Hey it's a rhino rack pioneer platform

Umm, most of us did air down, some of us ~20 some ~25. All the stock tires is what gave a couple of them more trouble, but nobody needed pulled so it worked out okay for everyone.

@@FearlessTrailhawk ahh nice. I couldn't tell if you did just by looking at it. I'm still newer to offloading myself so learning

Yeah...that was on me, but i did learn and was out of the way for the others

Its one of the soundtrack files from a game, Eve Online, i don't recall the exact song though, sorry.

@@FearlessTrailhawk Thanks FT, great video. Leaning toward that Trailhawk!