Hey everyone! This was definitely one of my favourite interviews to date! I encourage you to listen to the whole thing if you can find the time, but if not feel free to hop around according to topic (below). This IS also available on my podcast (The Jeff Nippard Podcast on iTunes and Stitcher). Timestamps below 👇 0:00 - Intro/ Explaining that I do have a podcast! (The Jeff Nippard Podcast on iTunes) 2:43 - Interview starts & our Arnold Classic Expo experience 6:44 - Summary of The Volume Roundtable and clarifying misconceptions about Mike's volume concepts 13:38 - What is training volume, exactly? How do you measure it practically? 17:52 - What "sets" are important to track? Do we count warm up sets, supersets, dropsets, etc. toward total set volume? 20:35 - How to individualize volume and problems with cookie-cutter programs 23:32 - Do very heavy sets (1-4 reps) and very light sets (20+ reps) have a place in hypertrophy programming? 26:31 - How HARD should you train? What is the role of EFFORT? 29:18 - How important is taking sets to failure compared to doing more volume? (Argument/discussion between Jeff and Mike) 36:27 - Are certain exercises better/worse than others for failure training? 41:05 - Should beginners learn "what it feels like" to exert themselves to failure? 45:52 - Discussion of the "You're Not Training Hard Enough!" study (www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29112055) 52:30 - Defining of Maintenance Volume (MV), Minimum Effective Volume (MEV), Maximum Adaptive Volume (MAV) and Maximum Recoverable Volume (MRV) -- How many sets per week for each? 58:43 - Explaining a mesocycle and how to apply volume concepts to a program 1:05:03 - Block periodization discussion

Amazing camera angle from my man mike

Mike's always taking his blinks to failure lol

Dr Isratel always looks too casual in these vids, like he's Facetiming his girl at 1 AM

2:43 Jeff: so guys i'm here with Dr Mike Israetel... Mike: *yawns*

Nice interview with Mike Israel's Chest.

"relative jackness". LMAO. This is the kind of language you get when you combine a badass bodybuilder with a PhD. Love it!

Honestly, no exaggeration, but this one interview and the concepts spoken in it have revolutionized my training.

nipple of truth

I really enjoyed looking up Dr Mike's nostrils

Jeff:but failure please? Mike: no..no

What he see vs what she see

Playing the whole thing all the way through AND listening to the whole damn thing because I’m here to learn! 🤓😄 When I want to learn something new and I want credible info, I know this is always the place to come for both! Same with Stephanie’s channel. Two of my favorites.☺️

Everything Dr Mike Israetel has said about failure training is the answer to new having my cns exhausted, bad sleep and decreasing weight on the barbell. Thank you, Jeff, for the interview, you're always bringing so much knowledge opportunities for me in every video!

This is absolutely fire. If you’re into fitness/bodybuilding/physique/health and you’re not watching Jeff Nippard, what tf are you doing??

That classic Dr. Mike camera angle. Does he do it because it looks hilarious? Wouldn't surprise me.

Mike talking about beginners bleeding under barbells reminds me of the first time I tried bench press after having only done machines, I forgot to add the weight of the bar to my calculation so I got absolutely stuck 😂 I was like "help" luckily some buff dude came lifted it off, and told me how much the barbell itself weighed 😅

Hey Jeff, awesome video man. Really smooth flow to the interview and excellent questions. One question though...where are Mike's elbows in the thumbnail? Keep up the great work!

4:05 i thought he was gonna say "people out there starving" xD

Every single interview with Dr. Mike is him holding the camera down on his lap lmao

This is overall the best strength training interview I've ever seen/heard.

Jeff and dr. Mike videos are the videos we need

Thanks for the time and effort to make this happen jeff, very informative!

OH my word, this is so good. I'm super new to weight training and this channel has been a godsend in my learning and understanding of good practice in the gym. Great stuff man. I also love listening to two science nerds and then seeing two buff guys on the screen. It's breaking the idea that brawn and brains can't be in the same body haha.

Instructions unclear, now every sentence I say is a question.

I really appreciate Jeff's pushback in regard to training to failure. I am fresh back to weight training after years off and I never used to push myself back then. I couldn't understand why I couldn't go up in weight lifted for a few years of training. Now, I'm 1 month+ in and I'm finally lifting heavier now because I learned how it feels to push harder, do more hard reps and how to get a few reps out from failure 💜 I love this style of video!!

My two favorite youtubers

So basically what I got from this video was Doing 5-20 reps in a set Anything less than 5 is not enough for hypertrophy Taking sets to 2 reps from failure will maximize hypertrophy, pushing to failure accumulates fatigue Did I miss anything?

When he shook the blender bottle XD XD

Really appreciate this conversation. Used to be fit as a high school and collegiate athlete, then slowly but surely let myself go. Getting back into it and feel something like a beginner again, and this discussion and advice is super helpful

This video/interview has literally skyrocketed my progress and performance.

I can't get enough of listening to Mike Israetel speak about hypertrophy training. He's funny, informative and easy to listen to. Great stuff!

Damn it man why does it still feel like this information is above me? I have to watch it again. When I first began my journey I was hitting every body part with 30 sets per week doing bro splits. What a difference it makes by doing a 6 day split and increasing intensity! Thanks Jeff!

Oh man I laugh so hard with Mike 😂 definitely one of the best content Jeff, this is better than school

This is my fav type of dr. Mike

Every time you make these long videos, I think oh gosh.... BUT suddenly I’m at the end wishing they were longer. Awesome video Jeff. If I could double like and double subscribe I would.

Listen to this guy. He knows a lot. He provides the BEST info for natural lifters. You gonna make a lot of gains if you follow his approach and principles.

Brain gains 💪🏻

This is probably the most informative video on hypertrophy training on the internet. Thankyou!

I've used Mikes training principles in programming for the past year. After listening to this, I can optimize the good and get rid of the misunderstood concepts.Thanks for hosting him Jeff. Keep up the good work!

I love the attention to hypothetico-deductive methodology and empiricism in general. I think it deserves to be said though, that arriving at truly robust, unquestionably empirical generalizations about biological processes is extraordinarily difficult. Groups working on things like cancer therapies or psychiatric drugs are forced to spend tens or hundreds of millions of dollars, involving multiple, sometimes dozens of research teams, and in particular methodologies like double-blind, case-controlled crossover trials, etc. All or most of these levels of rigor are simply not attainable for exercise science. Doesn't mean that doing the best that can be managed is not worthwhile, it simply means that exercise science is on the "softer" side as far as rigor goes. I sense that Dr. Mike understands this fully, and probably Jeff too. But far too many advocates of this or that proscription of method in exercise methods do not.

Always love Dr. Israetel! This was really great! You guys together did an amazing job of covering this content in a enjoyable, thorough, effective, and understandable way! So much appreciated! Keep up the great work!

Love it when these 2 gents get together. Great stuff.

This whole podcast is solid, definitely feel more informed in the hypertrophy sense. THANK UUUUU JEFF AND MIKE 😏

I always wondered what happened to Paulie after the Rocky series. Looks like he got swole.

Everytime I feel like I'm well educated in fitness, I realize just how much I still have to learn... This was a great interview/podcast!

This is the renaissance of the human body. Thank you for this enlightenment

I gotta say the most important thing i learned from watching dr mike is deload weeks. I used to work out 6 days a week like 5 to 10 years ago. I made alot of gains but i thought i had to keep going or id lose everything. I went a whole year without taking a break without deloading, just full out to failure with every set. Eventually i was so darn exhausted, my joints were screaming, and i my muscles never healed. I was basically forced to stop and when i did i stopped and never went back. I think i was just toast mentally and physically. I was in my 20s at the time, now im in my 30s and my joints have never been the same. i Ive recently gotten back into it and i noticed this week im starting to take longer to recover, its getting harder for me to bring myself to grab the weight, and just knowing i have the lingering joint issues, im going into a deload week next week before i get so far gone i never go back again.

bret contreras the next time please

Been a follower of Mike's work for several years now. Miles ahead of most when it comes to training knowledge.

Brilliant, as always.

Top class Jeff. As a natural bodybuilder with a training age of 15yrs I will definitely be applying some of these crucial strategies. Thanks for help huge help as always.

At first a 1 hour interview seemed intimidating and boring to watch but as i started listening i got really into it and learned a couple of new things. Thank you jeff.

Did this Dr. roll in his bed, turned on his computer and do an interview?

Dr.Isratel needs his own sitcom! Fund it! Thank you for this interview Sir Nippard! Keep up the good work!

What a "stumbleupon" this is. Two of the BB greats in their early KZfaq days! Fantastic stuff.

This was a super informative podcast my guy, all of your content is very genuine and your approach is much different compared to many bodybuilders.

Instant like for Dr. Mike!

when he double fisted that protein shake, mad a satisfied grunt, and wiped his mouth before diving into a ten minute rant on volume and intensity, I knew this podcast was fucking lit

Mike makes such powerful logical points to backup all of his philosophies, I’m getting to the point where I’m hesitant to do anything contrary to his direct advice.

Always watch all the way through crew.

30:39 so true. I only started making fast progress with my beginner routine when i started leaving 1-3 reps in reserve. I used to take everything to failure and i wouldnt recover properly.

It makes me very satisfied that these two, who I admired, respect each other.

There’s a podcast! Perfect to listen to while studying calculus. Thanks Jeff you are a blessing!

Watched all the way through. Felt like 10 min lol.

Great video! Could you interview Eric Helms on your channel? :)

awesome interview Jeff, you’re very good at interviewing, so informative, thank you for discovering such a knowledgeable person like Mike, i didn’t know him before this, cannot wait for part 2

"Feeling their own swag a little too much." I'm going to work this phrase into my life more thank you Dr Mike

Thanks for explicitly stating what hurts and helps your channel. Love your work. Appreciate your time putting it together.

Does Mike purposely try to look bored and uninterested when the other person's talking

@44:00 His spill on newbies not training to failure and getting newbie gains safely was exactly what I needed to hear today. Definitely just over trained today. Gotta chill a little next week.

I like how you were really honest about why you wanted people to like the video and watch it through.

Yasss! I've been waiting for a vid like this 😁

Man I want Mike as a personal trainer, my gains would be godly

Awesome! Thanks so much fellas 🙏🏽

this is probably the best bit of casual chat on training on KZfaq. excellent content

Would really like to hear you talk to Chris Beardsley

Hey Jeff, following this, could you make a video on planning mesocycles for hypertrophy?

Fantastic interview. I especially like the part about beginner lifters focusing on form and lighter weight to prevent injury and build a foundation.

Excellent advice this. I was definitely one of those guys who pushed too hard on every set then. I have put more gains in my 40's than I did when I was obviously over training when in my younger days being such a hot head.

Dr Mike is so cute, he looks like a giant baby

I still strongly believe in drop sets and training to failure for best results to body adaptations. Half arsed workouts just do nothing for my body especially as you get more advanced. I don't train big compounds to failure though I start with them and then do isolation stuff superset ting drop sets negatives etc. It works best for me what about other people what works best for you? I do rest about 5 days each body part and every three or four weeks I'll rest say 7 days per body part

I love watching these to learn more and also feel like my current program offers me no benefit even when I know it’s good and effective. It’s so complex

A well deserved thumbs up! Mike and yourself are always a pleasure to listen too!

You're very articulate and informative, great video. Only criticism is for you to be more aware of how many "uhm"s you do. Usually Uhmming is when you're trying to figure out what to say. Obviously you are very well prepared and this is not the case, I think its just a bad habit you have. Try to get rid of that and you're golden.

Id be fascinated to see athlean x respond to mikes views on training to failure.

You are a MVP for timestamping.

This guy is funny! Great conversation, mate!

Great interview! What is the difference between a) 2 sets of squats 7 days a week and b) 7 sets of squats 2 days a week? The volume is the same, but what is best and why?

Man I would kill to see a Nippard/Cavaliere collab

I'm young and stupid with fitness This helps a lot Everyone should watch Jeff Nippard

these are AWESOME jeff, its what keeps me motivated to do my cardio. keep em comin!

Are we gunna ignore the fact that Mike is a few potato chip crumbs away from being the world of Warcraft guy on South Park??

Listened to the whole thing! Very informative! The only problem i have with all of this is, if you keep going from MEV to MRV and then deload and repeat, what is the purpose of adding those sets if you keep starting at MEV and work your way up in sets the same as your previous meso(except more weight). Then why not train in the middle of those 2 and just progress in weight/reps? I just dont see how it is going to give you more results this way, you keep giving your body the same thing(moving from MEV to MRV)

Put this on in the background while i'm doing my work, its great to listen to the knowledge that you guys share!

These interviews are excellent

I just broke my leg at the gym last week, is that going hard enough Mike? 😂

13:53 Yes daddy, right on my face

Jeff, this is my favorite of your videos so far. Dr. Isreatel does a great job of breaking down and explaining the "simple" (quite complicated) subject of balance, and what it is and how it can be quantified and reproduced. Very informative! Those were great questions, getting him to expound on the vocabulary and underlying concepts.

I wish more of my professor are more like dr Mike! I feel like he can make any subject fun to learn!