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Every time this person gets backed into a corner they say "I would concede that argument, but that just vindicates the terfs so I can't", which is the equivalent of saying "I know I'm wrong, but I don't want to admit it, because that would be admitting the people I disagreed with in the past were right". This is an example of a person becoming entrenched in a position purely out of not wanting to take an L. Just silly closed mindedness with a big heap of ego

"Trans women aren't allowed to leave Ukraine." Rose rages "Men aren't allowed to leave Ukraine." Rose sees no problem with that

Lol the cross-dressing logic killed me. How do you think women feel when they see trans-women? Everything she said she felt about cross-dressers could reasonably be felt by women about trans-women.

As someone who isn’t trans and doesn’t really keep up with trans stuff in general I think one of the hardest parts of having that conversation with other people is that anyone can be trans and anyone can be an authority on it based off their own experiences. There is no good way to differentiate people who have legitimate issues with body dismorphia or like they said “male brained/female brained” vs people who just want attention or think it’s trendy to be trans or whatever. It’s like if anyone can claim status as a rocket scientist with no way to verify anyone then we could never have honest conversations about rocket science.

Are you saying cis women are more deserving of those spots? Destiny: *immediately answers* yes

the obsession with not “ceding” any ground to terfs is probably the biggest issue that trans activists have rn. If you go to far down that rabbit hole you’ll start to look crazy.

damn destiny...you really took it easy on her.

As someone who has worked in child psychology I can tell you, we are not allowed to help children challenge or explore whether or not they are truly trans or have other issues leading them to falsely believe they are trans. We are only allowed to affirm. Otherwise, there's a risk of it being labelled "conversion therapy."

"I'm not going to deny reality but..." *Immediately denies reality*

"Trans women are women" really starting to sound like "Jesus died for our sins", with how it is just repeated like a mantra in response to everything

“No uterus no opinion” is a term that immediately makes me think about women taking a stand against men who want to regulate abortion. To take that and turn it into “it’s trans exclusionary” is cringe

I think Rose is a perfect example of how these issues completely consume your thoughts and can drive you to some extreme and niche positions. Almost like a super fanboy.

When someone makes this whole “there aren’t even that many top trans athletes”-argument, it always immediately reveals that they don’t care about or understand sports. Nobody that cares about a sport would ever say “well, it’s only that one person at the very top that has an unfair advantage, it barely affects the sport otherwise” People care about who’s winning the events and how they did it. It’s literally the point of sports

Classic case of "I believe the opposite of what my enemy believes no matter what." Syndrome

Listening to this dude is fucking refreshing. He is proof that you can be left and still be an individual. Damn!

To be honest I used to be okay with the trans movement but recently I have taken a step back. Being in college you come across your fair amount of trans people. But an unfortunate trend I have noticed is that these people have just been generally intolerable to be around. I will give a couple of experiences that I experienced that caused my view. We were talking about OpenAI in my comp sci class and I said, "Its Elon Musk baby(In reference to how he gave them some money)" to a trans man. He literally screamed at me during class an said, "You will not call me baby". The next day I discussed to him that, "If it were any of my guy friends I would've said the same thing, and that I just use baby at the end as like an exclamation, and not a proclamation of his gender" He actually apologized and I thought we had reached a consensus. However he had several more freakouts on other people and even the professor who addressed the class as "Guys"(Which confused me even more because I thought he identified as a guy so I didn't understand the issue at all) . The thing is that he dressed in dresses and clothes commonly associated with a woman, had breasts, long hair for a man, stockings, etc. How can you expect someone to correctly identify your gender and then freak out on them when they don't correctly identify it. It was crazy, it felt like they were baiting people into misgendering them to cause a scene and then garner sympathy from the class. I further felt this way because he would turn critiques of their ideas during group discussion on class (comp sci + calc type class) into attacks on his identity. The second was when I walked into a general room to see an asian man fleeing/getting assaulted by a trans female for misgendering her. I mention hes asian only because he had a very thick accent and probably didn't even know what a transgender person was as there are many chinese who come to colleges in the US because it means alot more. This person was staff and IT for the comp sci department and I had seen him consistently in the common / support rooms at the college and I had seen her just be assholes to people shes supposed to be helping so I wasn't a fan of her to begin with. Somehow she spun it and wasn't fired. The manipulative behavior of playing the victim felt universal for the trans people I knew. Ive heard comments like ,"Oh you got an A on the presentation and I didnt because the professor is transphobic". No I watched your presentation and you put C tier effort in so you got a C. Because of this I feel like I have to walk on eggshells around every trans person I have met because I want to protect my reputation. Getting called transphobic probably doesn't have as many implications now that I am in the workforce, but in college in progressive / liberal friend groups the social pressures can be intense, so for me it wasnt worth the risk correcting their nonsense because there isnt much upside and a whole lot of downside. This has caused me to take a step back and think is there someone more going on within the trans-community.

At 55:20, did she really said it's ok to wear dresses if you identify as a woman, but if you identify as a man it's not? The trans ideology has gone full circle with her and she now has the same positions as traditionalists. I thought she was just a bit misguided until then, but now she really needs to think deeply about what she believes in and where it leads her. Trans people against crossdressers, wtf is she on about.

my daughter asked if she was a boy because she seen stuff on tik tok which suggested you are trans if you don't like classically girly stuff (basically). I am not saying there is a grand agenda but there are people out there confusing these issues

It’s crazy how every thought she has is about not conceding in anyway to the evil Terfs. How can you see oh yea they are right but we can’t concede. Like how do you expect to convince people if you purposely don’t operate in reality to never “concede” to those who disagree with you.

Sex by deception is rape. Don't do that, please. Discuss things before getting to the sex part. If you love someone, that's something that should come up well beforehand.

Trans women not being allowed to leave Ukraine is discrimination. Men not being allowed to leave Ukraine is fine. Got it.

I just found the very beginning to be interesting. I remember a couple of years ago leftists "There are no transitioning happening to kids." This person "I started transitioning at the age of 14".

She keeps saying 'this isn't a hill I'm willing to die on' but it seems to be a hill that she's willing to die on.

Half of this video feels like a therapy session. We start out with specific things Destiny said, then it devolves into, “Destiny why do women not like me?”

The situation with trans women in Ukraine really pisses me off. Not because trans women are being forced to stay, but because it’s somehow oppressive that trans women are being conscripted but just an accepted fact that men are. You shouldn’t argue that trans women should be allowed to leave Ukraine, you should argue that EVERYONE should be allowed to leave Ukraine

This girl just has nightmares of this mythical terf being. Everything she said circled around to "a terf might think this so its evil and wrong even if there's evidence."

"I just want to be seen as normal" I mean your situation is anything but normal, but yea, i get it. Blending in is far better than standing out in situations like this.

It annoyed me hearing her talk about trans women being trapped in Ukraine and how horrible that is but also completely ignoring the cis men that are also trapped there.

The feelings trans women have for drag queens are the same feelings cis women have for trans women.

Nah, if you're trans you need to be upfront about that within the first few dates if you want to continue seeing that person and BEFORE things get physical, even a kiss. There are plenty of people out there that aren't trans and believe in trans rights, but still don't want to be with a trans person because of their own preferences. If you lie to them and they find out waaaaayyyy later, you deserve what comes to you because it was your choice to lie and not disclose. Imagine dating a woman, wanting to be serious and you want to have kids. Then you find out they're trans and can't have kids. That's one if many examples on why you have to disclose at the beginning of the relationship, regardless of the outcome you want.

As a woman it is extremely disingenuous and misogynist for any man to think they can live a day in our shoes or think you’re any better than other people pretending to be something they’re not. You are no different than drag queens except they actually have respect for women and what we’ve go through, the spaces we’ve fought for, and understand the very clear differences between us and men.

The fact that they talk about transitioning “pre-puberty” like it’s completely normal is pretty crazy. There’s a reason we don’t let 11 year olds make life altering, permanent decisions like smoking, drinking, sex or tattoos.

Why are people suddenly pretending that under 18's just do sport for exercise or fun? When professionals talk about their start in their respective sports they invariably say their aptitude was noted in their childhood and that they were competetive as children. There are under 18 comps in pretty much all sports arent there? Fairness _matters_ irrespective of age. The suggestion that girls should just be in it for the fun reeks of misogyny, if unintended.

The problem I'm hearing Right away is that it seems like she believes that you should or should not say something because of the potential that someone else might believe you and follow you. As if truth and the ability to speak it are dependent on other people's feelings

I feel like she doesn't want to give up any ground, because it feels like the people who hate you are right, but agreeing with common sense from people who aren't coming from a place of hate is not the same thing.

32:30 "people aren't talking about this very specific human rights issue affecting < 1% of the population while a WAR IS GOING ON" Imagine my shock

The Ukrainian situation that was briefly brought up perfectly exemplifies the disassociation surrounding this trans sports issue. Amidst the tragedy of war the suffering of the tiniest of minorities is brought to light with complete disregard for the fact that no individual of any gender wants to risk their life for war. Just as the potential suffering of cis woman in sports is entirely overlooked and undermined.

Im personally up in the air about if it would be plausible for me to date a trans person. but it ABSOLUTELY is grape if you've been making out with someone, all handsy, or in a growing relationship under the assumption of what you are getting into and then getting something VERY different. if you are at the point of feelings growing it should be time to put it out there. Im not saying hand shake and going "btw I'm trans". but when you cross the threshold of friendship into something more... its time to be truthful. to me its a form of catfishing. and I hate someone that is deceitful or a liar. so even if I were absolutely on board with the possibility. I would be LIVID and feel taken advantage of.

The argument really is about how much someone can make things about themselves. Trans inclusivity is important but respecting the cis spaces is also important.

Rose is a master level gatekeeper shitting on other gatekeepers. Love to see it.

‘No uterus, no opinion’ is used in the context of reproductive rights and while mainly directed at cis men (obvs) also refers to some cis women and trans men. This lady is feeling excluded from an issue that doesn’t directly effect her and should probably try to be a little less narrow-minded in the way she thinks about it.

her cross-dressing take its quite wild lmao, people can literally take it and throw it right back at her...

Honestly feels like I’m losing My mind when I speak to someone who tells me a trans Womens is a real women. Am I in the twilight zone?! How can a women have ever been a man before lol. Like dude. This type of nonsense is so distracting, we have real shit to worry about.

I understand where she's coming from but it feel like her positions are anti-terf before they're her opinions.

"It doesn't feel like I belong there." It's because you don't. You're an outlier, you need to come to terms with that. There's a lot of societial mechanisms that don't apply to people that aren't "normal" like people missing limbs, people with mental issues, people with rare disorders etc. That doesn't make you or them wrong. It just means you both have room to grow. But you can only control yourself and how you feel, so start there.

She transitioned at 14??? “They’re not coming after kids guys I swear!!!”

Another thing is that she fails to understand that it's not about how she feels it's about how the people being competed against feel, since THEY are the ones being disparaged

I find it crazy that destinty did not push back at all on that ukraine trans take.

A big issue is that the belief that hormones basically make you what you feel you are in a physiological sense is very comforting to people with gender dysphoria, but it doesn't fully track with reality in a sports context.

Always enjoy hearing someone complaining about not being accepted, then complain about people they don’t accept. Maybe have a little self confidence in who you are so you don’t care if people associate drag people with you.

"I feel out of place like I'm not supposed to be here... like my opinion isn't valid." Well, you're a man in woman's clothing in a woman's space talking about how to empower women. Soooo... That sounds pretty on par.

23:00 most people can tell if you’re trans, the vast majority of you do not pass.

Can't help but crack a smile when I hear "not all trans athletes are Lea Thomas". Same logic as "well I'm a man/white and my life sucks so male/white privilege isn't a thing", which is an argument I'm sure they're familiar with.

Upset trans women cant leave the Ukraine but doesn't mention men not being able to leave.

"Am i overthinking this?" Sweetheart, you've been overthinking since you were 14.

My biggest gripe with people not telling you they are trans, is that they expect you to ask what their pronouns are etc, expect you to respect the fact they are trans, but they dont even feel that they have to tell you about it. I feel like being trans is a pretty big deal in a relationship, if you are even going on a date with someone you should tell them, dont play with people's feelings. If someones fine with dating trans people them knowing from the start wont affect anything. But if someone isnt ok with it, they could feel forced after gaining feelings for the other person, even though they still don't feel comfortable with it then you end up in a horrible situation

Someone invoking “talking points” as a means to dismissively avoid addressing the point isn’t progress, nor even a lateral move. It’s a passive regression and actively counterproductive

"I just wanna be seen as a woman, not a trans woman" "As a trans woman" "as a trans woman" "as a trans woman" 🤔🤔🤔

i love you for drawing the amogus and fucking playing the theme on piano mid convo you're a legend, seriously.

She doesn’t understand it isn’t just “have better arguments”. This backlash is giving the people you don’t like ammunition because you’re WRONG and not willing to engage with that or anything else. The fact that she said I don’t want to die on that hill, but literally almost dies on that hill is insane. You need to understand not everything is about you’re specific groups benefit but instead what is right objectively(seemingly objective). How many of these trans people don’t understand competitive sports aren’t just “Fun”. These are actually careers and opportunities in which women are ALREADY struggling in some sports, specifically the WNBA who lives off the NBA just so women have a space to be competing. Not having this basic understanding shows the bias, and unwillingness to engage or inform yourself of what they hell your talking about before you die on hills that your side is pushing just because it’s your side. I would say be individuals but I feel like even that would be taken to the extreme similar to the enlightened centrist who just say both sides bad. Smfh we are doomed

Yeah it's mindboggling watching lefties say "gender and sex are different" when it came to social interactions (gender being socially constructed), but when it comes to the biological part that distinction no longer exists. It does not take an expert to deduce that transition is an extreme change to ones body, and where that info might be relevant, such as in a medical setting, or competitive one in this case. But no, we gotta ignore that because it's not about having the right reasoning it's about the social credit and virtue signaling.

18:11 I found it funny when Destiny said “on one side you’ve got trans people, and other side you’ve got delusional people…” Wait…aren’t the trans people delusional?!

I love how no one no one ever on planet earth has ever heard of the term “draft dodger”

Its very simple, people like this don't care if there is an advantage, they have an ideological need for them to be included, it isn't grounded in fairness or logic or anything else, you cannot argue against their position, its locked in.

I'm so tired. Glad to have you as women. Welcome. I love being a woman and I am so happy you've joined us. At the same time, and by a cruel accident of birth I agree is terrible and wish were different, don't get me wrong, you just can't be given a royal pass to do all the things a cis woman can do sometimes, like compete in women's college and above professional sports as is. Not until the leveling is better than it still is now. Just like I couldn't be given a pass to do all the same things a cis male can do, like play in men's football, which that girl who did NOT subscribe to reality pushed for, got her wish, and got her pelvis broken for it the very first time she was tackled (who couldn't have seen that coming). I, like many, reserved final judgement for that Scottish organization to weigh in, considered if I'm not mistaken the finest on earth for what it does, and they said we're not there yet. Even outside of trans sports issues, there's unfairness. That's life. I'm epileptic, and have not met rhe DMV requirements for what's considered long enough since I've had a seizure to drive for quite some time. Just because I want to drive doesn't mean I just can, because though I have a variety of nature's injustice I was born with, it would be untair to the other drivers. I can't make up for my own injustice by committing another injustice to others. That's what this would be. I've alwayd agreed with Steven's stance on it, which is up through high school and then in recreational leagues. And no, we aren't just going to be unfair to the bigger droves of cis women in women's sports for the fewer trans women who want to be in women's sports, like they are similar in numbers - they aren't - just because yay trans. Nor are we going to get rid of women's sports altogether if trans women can't currently participate as much as they want to, which is what some suggest. That's ridiculous. It's exhausting because as a cis woman who wants effective advocacy for trans folks, the unreality makes it so hard to prove to people on the fence that you're not unhinged, when you seem so batshit crazy to them, because so many of you online and on television ARE taking batshit crazy stances. There is a Eugenia Cooney subreddit about her (you know, the anorexic girl who's currently unapologetically televising her own death from starvation), whose banner reads, "the transphobe Eugenia Cooney," with a quote about her expressing skepticism a long time ago about the genders underneath it. Because yeah, that's the real issue there, that her starving brain isn't sure about the genders. It can't possibly be that the biggest problem is actually that she's enabling droves of young pro-anorexic fans in their most vulnerable years for ED, who use her as "thinspiration." My God, the obsessive need for you guys to always be in the brightest spotlight more than anyone else is just off the charts. I'm glad you guys are getting a dose of your own medicine with the non-binary folks, though, who are even more unhinged than you this same main character syndrome kind of way, because I see increasing complaints by you guys that they're putting themselves ahead of you in your support groups to where you can't even get a word in edgewise. Good, you need a lesson in humility before you succeed in killing your own movement. Please, help us help you. This lady was a tad less unhinged than most I thought, until she said the rapey behavior towards men was justified because sometimes some men inappropriate. Again with that balancing the scales at the expense of others. Even she knew that was a whopper, but still. Jesus Christ. Get mad if you want, but this is just real talk, woman to woman, ladies. You must chill.

@6:48: "This isn't a hill I wanna die over." Translation: This is a claim I want to put forward without having to do the work to defend it."

totally insane to be arguing against drag as a trans person. goto a drag show and talk to these people my god

I wish destiny had just said plainly, just because you want to be Included in certain spaces does not mean those spaces have to be inclusive for you. As a trans woman, you do not belong in all woman's spaces and destiny pointed it out very politely. If you wish to join and be apart of a space you have to have some level of shared experience. I can't go to a black space and expect to have any inclusivity or voice If I am not black. Just like I can't go to a woman's space and expect a measure of inclusivity there. There are men's spaces that I can't be apart of because I don't have a measure of shared experience and there is nothing wrong with that. I'm not saying trans people should be excluded from all spaces but the reality has to set in that some spaces are made and protected for certain groups of people and by virtue of just "being" doesn't grant me access to those spaces.

Simple answer to the trans issue in Ukraine: If you have the capacity to give birth or you are a child, you can leave. Likely their reasoning.

I agree with you on, basically everything except for the part here where you say "It's not necessarily about performance and results" I think that's a slip and definitely not the case, because people in competitive spots compete exclusively to win (maybe there's an argument to make that they compete to be top 3 and go for a medal/title/spot in the Olympics), and that's a huge source of motivation for athletes. Nobody competes to be 10th at something (unless they've just started to compete and are very realistic xD, but the drive is still to be the best, to be the #1) and if you take that possibility away, you take that motivation away and that's a big, big, big issue. Doesn't matter if it's college competition, national or the Olympics. Just that sole sentence is a slip imo, but I agree with the rest of the vid, best wishes :)

If you aren’t ashamed to be trans, disclose it to anyone you are thinking about being with. You aren’t telling him immediately because you’re worried that he won’t want you after. That’s literally being dishonest. If it’s rape for a man to take a condom off during sex without letting the woman know, then revealing you are trans after sex has begun when he thought you a cis woman……

Bleeding and crawling in agony, their silhouette eclipses the horizon, "This isn't the hill I want to die on..... but."

They talk about rape and sexual assault and never mention consent. How is that possible?

This just happened to me the other day. I think they’re too focused on the optics of that people find common ground on their stances on transgender people in sports. Their stance is, don’t discuss it, don’t say nothing if its something that conservatives might agree with.

I'm a straight dude and I feel excluded too. It has nothing to do with being trans. It can be a whole line of other mental illnesses contributing to that.

Imagine negatively labeling a group of people (TERFS) and then getting angry when you face criticism. Also that feeling that you shouldn't be there in these spaces is because you shouldn't.

Imagine disliking terfs for being exclusionary and then trying to hate on drag and femboys…

I find it hilarious that the same people that hyper focus on what pronoun to use when referring to them will forcibly call people CIS-female or CIS-male without any or very little consideration of what that person wants to be as most of don't want to be referred to as "CIS" anything and then when you point that out they blatantly tell you how they don't care what you want or how you Feel

My biggest gripe is how these few people want everyone else to change their beliefs all because of their own beliefs? How can you want everyone else to change and sacrifice without you yourself making sacrifices? Again it’s hypocritical!

Is it just me or did this feel like she was so self-centered that it became borderline bigoted? Other people being themselves while minding their own business... is that really a problem in itself or does it become a problem cause you make it about yourself?

I enjoyed this conversation and how civil it was. It's nice when two people can disagree without raising their voices.

27:00 very very dangerous situation to be in. With a man. With woman, co*k you did not ask for waved in person in front of you in private situation... dangerous situation? And anyway that should not even be question of co**. Even if this lesbian notices that this hole is not a vagina, she should have right to be very upset about it.

About drag queens: "You're preforming an identity that's like not true to yourself." Hate to break it to you, but that's you. That's literally what you're doing.

Apparently Ukraine has been preventing cis-women from leaving the country too, so it's not discrimination again transwomen to keep them in country to fight. I'm really trying to wrap my mind around the cushiony existance one needs to have lived to hear about a nation getting invaded and immediately think that it's really not fair to insist that the non-gender conforming citizens fight to defend their homeland.

The only bad thing about the trans movement is trying to make it seem normalized and hating on people that don’t see it as normal like if someone ate nothing but glass you might be like “huh that’s not normal” and then they go “what do you eat food?” Like you’re the odd one out

Miss interesting convos like these on the stream

If she spent a little less time thinking the turf scarecrow in her head is gonna say, she'd be happier and could hold coherent beliefs which also align with reality/biology. Also wtf stop denying drag people's experience. Lack of empathy is stunning.

"When you're scared of having a conversation because you're scared of sounding like the bad guy, then the only people who are going to have those conversations are the bad guys."

I’m not going to say she has male privilege necessarily, but I also don’t like how trans women seem to brush away the validity of growing up as a girl rather than a boy. Young girls, starting at 8-10 when they start getting breasts, are immediately sexualized by grown men. This is a very difficult thing for young girls to deal with, and it’s something that all females have to struggle through. She will never have to deal with that experience or the life long impact of living that reality. It bothers me that she seems to feel the need to diminish the unique female experience in order to validate herself.

Her ego is writing checks her body can't cash... literally.

"My gender is autism" got me cryin from laughter.

"this isn't the hill I want to die on" *dies on hill

Rose seems like she's not in a place to convince Destiny of her point of view, but rather he's a soundboard for her to work out her thoughts and organize them in a ways that can be more effective and communicative in the future

7:09 i have a very good anecdote from my life. In high school i was a very good discus thrower.. not state level but i went to our regions 5 years in a row and my senior year i went to states.. got crushed lol but i made it there. Discus was the one sport i loved and only thing athletic i did. When i got to college i really wanted to throw discus and i went to a state college.. not in the top 100 colleges, not big for their sports really. I went into one of their practices and talked to the coach and said i really wanted to throw discus. His direct answer was “unless you’re going to break records there is no chance of you throwing.. we already are maxed out and due to regulations we have to have so many women and we cant afford to bring you on unless you’re top level. And this was a school that.. is not known for being competetive in any of the big college sports. So no… you can’t just “play for fun” And honestly even though a lot of times anyone can get onto a sports team in high school. Kids take it VERY seriously bc there are always scouts looking to recruit for colleges and even the circumstance that happened in a local track team in high school.. these girls got bumped from running in their state competition bc 2 huge, muscular black dudes said they were trans and took the spots of these 2 girls who have been busting their ass all through high school and this was their big moment. And people like this dont give a fuck about those girls whos sports dream was ruined and possibly lost college scholarships bc two massive men said they were trans and they got to go to the huge competition that they had dedicated years of training to earn.., fucked up. So its a misnomer that even high school sports is just for fun, 80-90% of kids take it VERY seriously… their lived revolve around perusing being good at that from dieting and training weights and all the practices. Its not taken lightly at all

“We’re kinda still figuring things out” And one of things we’re figuring out is affirmation therapy is probably not sustainable or ethical in most cases presenting today in the current climate.

Some people can't accept that people they don't like can be right , and that people they like can be wrong. So to be sure they like someone they have to make sure a person they like never agrees with something a person they don't like says.

not disclosing to someone that youre trans if youre dating them is very deceptive. tf are they talking about

It seems REALLY like pie-in-the-sky thinking to imagine that we could have laws that allow for participation in sex segregated sports by trans persons who transitioned before puberty but not those who transitioned after puberty.

One of the most frustrating things about the trans sports issue is that most normies I talk to don't give a shit about whether or not trans athletes are "everywhere" or "are beating women", it's almost always that the ones that get brought up go from being a middling male athlete to a very competitive female athlete. Nothing is going to set off people's BS detector more than hearing that a male athlete who was a nobody went on HRT and now they're a somebody in professional sports.