That's like different mothering approaches, its great!

Prime arcee is the best incarnation of her.

@@nil981 I know right, I had a crush on her when I was a kid... Which is kinda weird cuz she's a robot, but in hindsight might be the reason I dabble in robotics these days lol

@@comicstrider4851 Well, the original G1 cartoon had humn women fall in love with Autobots.

I always feel like Prime Arcee is more like Chromia with the Arcee name

IDW really beefed her up, which I like. They also put her in a lot of power poses that commanded respect meaning the whole pink thing was easy to over look. Its fun to think that a lot of cybertronians have pink bloos

hello there

There was a scene in prime where she commented on bee's color swap and that if she did it she would just look pink.

She was cool in sin of the wreckers

Arcee always took the high ground

THIS STUPID PHRASE NEEDS TO DIE!!!! Or be offlined by a cosmically powered Starscream. 😂

Bruh Arcee getting flicked out of existence would be so goofy bro 💀

You're not wrong

I love her moments with Optimus

Agreed. She was badass, strong and a very well written character. 👏🏾

Yep .

Do you mean the one time she wasn't a glorified housewife/babysitter? Yeah.

*The enemy Scrotum*

Bee, stop lubricating on the human.

Dickbot the blender guy. What the hell was going through their heads?

@@Raze_134 money and explosions...

Yep. Damn, I hate Michael Bay...

You have good taste

Same.

Me too

Sumalee Montano did a great job of voicing her.

*S A M E*

Especially strange since Season 2 had Elita One, Chromia, Firestar, etc. before the movie introduced Arcee.

It's also wild because Transformers at that point have already have accents and clear racial coding, and yet introducing a woman seemed like a step too far.

Its not comparable. Megatron executing robots here and there, it was to make room for new toys. Having him execute Ironhide and Ratchet kinda gave you a very good reason to why none of them had a head to begin with. Having Arcee on the playground meant you had a pink robot that turned in to a pink and white vehicle, in other words you werent a transformers fan with a female robot, you were signaling that you were gay/homosexual. In those times the only worse thing to be back then was black. So having that in mind it was kinda wise decision they made, but at least they could have try releasing the other girls instead, those would probably be more accepted on the playground. At least they werent trying to be colored like a My Little Pony

@@zilvertron What about little girls who were into transformers? While I don't condone homophobic bullying kids are little shits so I do see your point.... But little girls were into transformers even back then. They enjoyed action cartoons and G.I. Joe and He-Man (and She-Ra) can all tell you that. I don't think even by the standards of the 80s anyone going to find it weird a little girl wants the female toy. They missed out tbh, an Arcee toy could have sold like hot cakes as the only option for little girls who wanted a girl toy.

@@zilvertron Are you kidding? Even Eddy Murphy -who certainly isn't white, or 'poor and oppressed' made Jokes about gays (and them having AIDS) in Delirious, which was 1983

C’mon now, they’re sentient beings!

@@Erik-fn7kj Transformers might be, but stranded vehicles are not.

There are occasional exceptions. The battleship Bismarck was referred to as male by the Germans.

@@UberNoodle Because of the manly tasks it was to perform and being named after Chancellor Otto von Bismarck.

Would you like to know that at one point tanks were defined as either a male or female?

Cliffjumper doesn't die all the time; Rodimus Primal did a video on this (the first death of Cliff happened in the SG (Shattered Glass) comics, but the first on-screen death was in TF Prime)

He died literally three times over 35 years. Once in Shattered Glass, once in Prime, and once in Bumblebee.

Fairly certain it’s implied he got digested by Unicron in TF:TM. And probably died to cosmically impowered Starscream in Marvel’s G1 run.

@@coledewey3564 but...daniel saves him alongside jazz they escape out of unicron

That was Bumblebee and Jazz, fairly certain Cliff got consumed. Will check TFwiki to confirm.

Every member of the Prime crew honestly had a wonderfully fleshed out character. It's one of the reasons the show was so good.

G1 Arcee is the same though. She is caring but still holds her own in battles. TFP is just way overrated.

@miyako1909 she's a fucking nanny with robo tits prime is ten times better

@@miyako1909 it's kinda not, it's not without flaws, obviously, but it is indeed the best Transformers cartoon series currently by plot and by quality. The Aligned Continuity as a whole is one of the better ones for understanding the main things, and TFP does just that. P.S.: Design-wise, I like both of them because both designs make total sense in their continuities, and as such are equal.

IDW Arcee is probably the only that's an actually interesting character and not just "pink girl transformer".

@@trippersigs2248 True, true.

@@trippersigs2248 next to Prime Arcee. Tho understandably not as fleshed out.

Prime and Cyberverse versions are my favorites. I hate the IDW version (not to be transphobic, seriously)

Beautiful pun

LOL

Furman really shot himself in the foot with that one but it gave us so many ships that needed to sail

Genuine question was Furman not ok with gay transformers?

@MrStelios0010 because they arent "just war machines" they're a species. with lives outside the context of war.

MrStelios0010 they are sentient and have feelings they can feel sad or develop romantic feelings without the need to fuck. Sexual orientation isn’t as important but it can show that transformers aren’t just war machines but actual characters with feelings. Also romance isn’t about sex it’s about having a deep connection to that person. Sex is just a bonus.

Lesson Learned :Never mess with Arcee or her friends.

@@goutamisikdar8588 other Example, Transformers Prime Arcee...

Arcee: so you’ve chosen death

*peace was never an option*

Arcee never talk tome or my son agin corpes she was talking to *falls*

Apparently the Japanese didn't get the memo when working on "Transformers: The Headmasters" anime, considering what they did with Arcee.

Transformers Prime had Arcee as a mom character for Jack

@@cjhome3332 I always saw her as more of a "big sister" or even as a *possible* love interest, even if only one sided.

@@TurnAGundam I could see what Prime Arcee and Jack had as semi-romantic, from a certain point of view.

CJ Adams She was an older sister figure.

I remember as a kid, I actually did wonder why these alien robots had genders, but I just shrugged my shoulders and went “it be boring to watch if they all just sounded like literal robots, and voice actors were boys or girls”

​@@darthsonic4135 I always just assumed they are alien sentient robots let's not think about it too much.

Thanks! I always try to make it so that any video can effectively stand alone, so that everything you need to know is explained within it - I try to imagine every episode is someone's first!

@@ChrisMcFeely This very aspect is the reason why I use your videos to get my friends into tranformers. Keep it up

@@ChrisMcFeely I like that myself. Not everyone has subscribed or watch all of your videos in production order, so they may watch "The Basics on Arcee" and never see "The Basics on the Headmasters (or Targetmasters)". Should you do a film about Powermaster Optimus Prime, or the Powermasters in general, I suspect the same issue will come up.

Yeah, I just found this channel, and it was this video. I named three of my mouse pups RC because they all looked alike. I was looking up something from the movie to show a friend because he didn't get it, and saw this video. I'll be watching more as I go but it's cool that I don't have to look around videos to get a reference.

Don't forget 3rd party figures like Azalea (Arcee but not made by Hasbro)

Make up for the 30 years of neglect?

I’m glad he put the image of Cyberverse Arcee up in the video. On Amazon, that specific Cyberverse Arcee is labeled as the Earthrise one, and I just wasn’t believing it.

Is there a prime version of arcee for the prime series.

Same here. Sad it took so long.

And 50% *NOT SERIOUS*

Best Arcee imo

My favourite is the trashtalking badass arcee of the prime series...she is bad

@@levisamom5069 agreed. The tfp arcee is a bad ass and serious no selfies no fun she's just cool.

@@strykerp28 cough cough (prime arcee) cough cough

Virgin movie arcee:No legs,no voicelined and probably died so easily

cringe.

Cringe Worthy, gotta have those two words to describe that.

That was a really cringy way to "justify" Arcee's existence

@Mr. Al It was still a lame bit of reasoning in the Marvel origin, while IDW's had to be retconned to not be an insult to real life transgender people instead of just making her female. I guess we can partly blame Budiansky for denouncing the possibility of gender for Cybertronians (though from what was shown here I wouldn't be surprised if Hasbro had something to do with that) but the reasons Furman came up with...both times, even after gender had been a Transformer norm by the time IDW took over...are just wrong.

Arcee’s background in the Marvel and IDW comics is pretty messy either way

Transformers having or not having gender was a big debate in the community when I first joined alt.toys.transformers. Their thinking was "why would robots have gender" as if that's never happened in science fiction before.

Well they are genderless in the form of what we would view as a male. But they were selling these toys to boys. So what other sex would they represent the character in? This was the 1980s. You cant project today's cultural sensitivities to the cultural norms of 40 years ago.

I think writers just see male as the “default”, and anything else has to be for a reason. It’s such a weird attitude and I’m glad it’s going away, at least in TF fiction.

Jude Watson I feel like they just picked a gender. I mean, there are two human, biological if you will so SJWs don’t come biting my backside, genders. Pick one. Plus, the line was marketed towards boys so it’s pretty obvious why “male” was picked.

by introducing a female transformer, you suddenly gave everyone else gender. sure they sounded and somewhat looked male but that was because it was marketed towards boys but in the end before the episode featuring Elita-1 came about, the transformers could just be seen as genderless. by introducing it, you suddenly need an explanation since the transformers don't breed like organic creatures, they build bodies and give life to them through sparks and/or vector sigma. and not one explanation can blanket the entire franchise since each universe has different origins for their transformers but 2 (or 3 if you're okay with female transformers being the descendents of Solus Prime) that can mostly be used as the explanation, either through primus creation they were built to imitate life or through quintessons, they were built to appeal to other aliens so gender was in the design. it's a slippery slope giving gender to a race of machines that don't procreate traditionally so some kind of explanation is sort of necessary since biological aliens can easily be handwaved

TFP Arcee isn't Arcee. Just some else who was given the same name.

@@miyako1909 she's chromia but she's still an amazing character

I find it strange how in so much of the media they kept having to justify her existence. I remember the g1 episode in which female autobots were revealed and remember thinking "why not?" I was kind of surprised Arcee was the only fembot we saw in the movie and season 3 as a kid. I was like "where's the other ones?" Btw person in the comments here who says tfp arcee is not arcee is wrong. That version of her is just as legit her as any other.

​@@toddwood440well they had to give some explanation, these are alien robots afterall,they're not humans,there's no reason for them to have genders

​@@miyako1909and nobody cares about Prime Arcee is the Best Arcee, the end.

Yes they did lol Its not like she was the only one. And since they were made as consumer products by the Quintessons, they came in both genders to appease clients. So...there ya go

Dallas Loghry Wait....................……....................……So the Female transformers in G1 cartoon continuity we’re suppossed to be Plesure-Bots ?

Kamil Chrzanowski no, Autobots were menial labor force, so females were probably maids and cooks and what have you.

@@Truenofan86 in the first film they were showed dancing. Waybe while ones were fighting others would be performing artistic things, diferent kinds of entertainment.

All just computer programming.

Why g1 arcee though?

They actually drove and flew, but your still right

I always liked the idea of female Decepticons. There are only two that are generally recognizable to most fans now. Those being Slipstream (TFA) and Shatter (Bumblebee)

@@wingedbluj1674where is black arachind in this

@@brawmankerlexterminateurde860 I stand corrected, 3

@@wingedbluj1674 Don't forget Night bird in g1 cartoon.

IRK I thought the same thing

Jung did it again he synchronized

I was also about to comment this!

I actually just watched rodimus primals arcee video

Oh hi Dank Starscream. How does it feel to get kill by Galvatron? It probably suck.

Why is a justification stupid? They are robots who do not reproduce using a similar birth as humans. If humans did not reproduce the way they did, we would not have males or females either. So they do need a good reason why transformets have genders at all.

@@PowerRedBullTypology But following that same line of questioning, why do most Transformers then present as male? Or humanoid at all for that matter? Or become distinctly earth-like vehicles, complete with cockpits for humans they'd never know on Cybertron?That's why I feel the need to justify gender especially strange; as if humanoid robots turning into cars and planes was self-explanatory but gender needed an in-universe justification.

Plus furman whole career is based on intrigue and mystery played out over years. Do you guys even remember what nova prime was obsessed with at that time? Ya think furman wasn't gonna address it down the road? Here's a hint being a girl ain't a level 9 threat. It's obvious he had a big arc set up for arcee but it all got tossed thanks to idws woke agenda and mairgead scott n Co with their cancel culture. These are asexual aliens, genders don't just happen to em.

It's a matter of the audience rather than the producers, usually. In a franchise that hasn't previously had "genders", introducing a "female" character becomes a subject for debate. People will question whether there were ulterior motives in including them. I wouldn't bring it up, but that thought might at least cross my mind.

@@digimonFTW22456 literally none of the other transformers look male they look like robots just robots

I felt like I was having an acid trip by just reading that film description without context...

Kristopher Prime Do you want to see a show or movie where everyone calls each other it or them? No, it's alienating (in the bad way). Having clear pronouns makes it easier to listen to the story, even if the characters are obviously genderless. You shouldn't sacrifice understandability for the fear of backlash.

​@@purpleemerald5299 yeh it older. Movie from 198ps

You know, I kinda wish to see a female Prime. If we have male primes like Sentinel, Zeta or even Optimus himself, i'd be nice to have a female Prime.

@@clownplayer7265 there's Solus prime of the 13 original. Bit yes, I think it would be nice and refreshing introducing another female prime. Maybe in an after-war plot, like in the Animated continuity, leading a team in a quest.

@@kiriki4558 Yeah, I learned about her when I get into another basics video. But we are on the same boat, we want more female Primes.

I think we should also get a female combiner. Keep in mind not all of the team that forms the combiner has to be female imo.

@@Darthzilla99 you just gonna gloss over Pyra Magna

You aren't the only one...

Don't keep your feelings buried deep man. Let it all out. We have all been there.

They made her actual character in Prime.

Honestly prime arcee was one of if not the best version of her.

Prime Arcee gave some strange thoughts to my 20 year old self...

Talking about Metropolis?

@@batsardcat3285 yessir. Good Ole Maria.

That's far from the first robot in a movie. Maybe a robot in an animated movie

@@sketchasaurrex4087 You know the old movie from the 20's-30's right?

@@Tazirai some of them. I might be thinking of the wrong Metropolis. The one I'm thinking of is an anime with color.

I really wish her Animated incarnation got more speaking time. Blu really made her shine and made us care about her in the Aniverse despite limited appearances, and her voice acting during the (2!) times Arcee chooses to sacrifice herself to keep Omega from getting in the hands of the Decepticons is really damn powerful.

she will always be arcee and stormer to me.

Tbh I think by explaining the existence of female transformers is in itself and explanation why both genders exist. Because male and female are one of those things where you can't have the concept of one without the other. Like how you wouldn't know the concept of darkness without the concept of light.

Now let’s swap those quotes around: “These are all male robots.” “This is a female robot.” See the problem? The latter is a contradiction to the former. If they’ve always been male, why the fuck is there suddenly a female? Of course the audience is going to have a shit load of questions about a blatant retcon.

considering they dont have sex to procreate they would not require two genders... adding a "female" robot to the mix just raises too many questions which the G1 writers and designers didnt want to bother answering especially to the target demographic of small boys. though these days Im sure you are teaching your two year old son how to put on a condom.

@@Shiirow It, really doesn't though. Living creatures with wildly varying DNA structures have variable traits to their bodies. The transformers are robots, but are still themselves living beings with a DNA structure, called CNA. Not only that, a main crux of the series is that they can alter their appearance based on what they see on other planets to start with. Their appearance is at all times, based on both a physiological and psychological aspect of themselves. Just say "That's how they wanna look" or "That's how they were formed." and that's the end of it.

@@spinyjustspiny3289 Yeah, but wasn't she also female on Cybertron? Doesn't that kind fuck that whole excuse of yours right up the ass?

Says the one that's got the licence to kill.

You can't judge the past by today's values. It's a cheap shot, and trivial. They had different sensitivities back then.

A B Nah.

@@twistedgaming9185 Why you replying to me? You want to suck on it or something?

@@itsme-notyou Shame Simon Furman is still weird about writing female transformers then, look up the mobile game Earth Wars that he writes for.

Female transformers are from the planet caminis

That's really dumb. It's not like every chick on earth is from one country.

Thing is, at the time they didn't think of them as "beloved characters." They thought of them as "interchangeable product that no one is paying for anymore." It was an eye-opener for them. That's why we got Power Master Prime - "Maybe if we use recognizable names on updated designs, we can make EVEN MORE MONEY!"

OtakuUnitedStudio Then those kids grew up and went to work on new Transformers shows that DIDN’T murder characters for money!

With the cosmically overpowered star scream

@@OtakuUnitedStudio Partly. One of the issues with the 1986 movie was the Transformers was a lot more popular then anyone realised (edit: it was the days before the internet so... No one knew anything except what toys were selling, how was they to know anything like this? The movie was made before they even knew sales figures and they weren't told how succewssful they had been, the movie staff just had that much ignorance). The creators had no idea how popular their show was going to be or had become or Optimus Prima being so... Iconic. They only thought they were moving on a toyline, yes, but they had no idea how kids and adults felt about the show. In th 80s, America changted the laws tying in toys and product branding with kids, this opened the door for many new ideas. To seperate things, gimmicks and all sorts of things came out of the works. Shows were meant to run 1-3 years, then be tossed aside for something new. But. Transformers and othe brands like My Little Pony... Didn't do that. They were so popular kids wanted more. Yes, most of the brands disappeared but no one had a clue what was going to be sold and what wasn't. Take in the late 80s and early 90s, how TMNT was a unheard of comic and a toyline from a company that had never been heard of was made. Overnight, that company that made the toys... Became worth millions. The original Turtles comicbook was a unheard of comics, picked up because the licensing was that cheap. They reworked the formula, made the turtles distinct and put out a show that was basically a spoof. But a spoof... That kinda worked. The original comic had 4 turtles with no distinction and itself was a semi-spoof.But the new medium of animation and the formulas that were applied to the show just hit it off. Looking back now, animation companies have ideas on what works and what doesn't. I myself have no issues with franchised brands because their easier to reconigse and the toys pay for the show. So good shows and good toys = success and stable fandoms centred around things. But you have to consider that shows like the Transformers paved the way for this sort of thing and without it wouldn't be a thing. The 1986 movie was made with ignorance, a means to get rid of old robots and introduce new ideas, concepts and robots. But a the same time, a lot of love went into it and detailing. People admire it now because they appricate it more now then they did them. Yes, kids left the cinema in tears, but people basically said it had some realistic depictions of war and hadn't been afraid to "go there" on displaying certain elements. Things like the reflection of a Decepticon as Optimus Prime hits it and knocks it aside... Are kinda awesome to look at. Its one of those things where you can watch twice and see all the attention to detail going on. As a female, I adored the transformers and it neve occurred to me that I should see only male robots, I just saw robots. But looking back... Even MLP had the issues of there being no male ponies except one line up in the later runs the "Big Brother" ponies. But when you look at MLP:FiM, the G4, some of those male ponies are as iconic and adored as the mane 6 female ponies. Hasbro's fixation on making only male characters for boy toys and female characters for girls' toys, failed to recongise that a lot of shows are loved by both genders. In addition, parents watched the shows too. One of the advantages as well that MLP and Transformers have other newer brands is 3 generations of kids have grown up with them and its proven if a parent or parents enjoyed a show... Their more likely to buy their kids the same brand as they have the older toys or were fond of the older toys.

@@AngelEmfrbl yes yes this sounds smart enough to get my like yes yes

Because Furman views Transformers as asexual beings, they are really only called male because humans call them that/the lack of proper gender neutral pronouns.

John Williams that makes sense when you see what Furman wrote as the origin story.

the voices of reman in my had says that Fuman never left the closet, and treats TF as it is because of it when he writes it.

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

@@johnmatrix7688 wht

Its what she deserves

They fused all of her past concepts with wierd results, and I actually like it

Please don't tell me she has the same backstory as in the original IDW continuity...

@@ltb1345 that would be **cked up royal

I always thought that was a little edgy. I prefer Cyberverse's take mixed with prime

@@ltb1345 no its touched on she used to be an assassin but none of the trans gender experimentation or being Galvatrons sister etc etc.

Plus wouldn't that make them all non-binary?

Wow they predicted the future huh

And speak as someone who grew up during generation 1, I didn’t question the existence of female auto bots when they showed up in season 2, they were just there. And I never noticed there wasn’t a toy for them because by the time season 2 finished I had moved on to other toys. Had I still been paying attention her absence would have been more noticeable then her presence

And if the writers really want a reason then they have solus prime just like how beastformers are descended from onyx

@@christophergovan2136 And why there's more males than females: they're 1/13.

Now that begs the question, who is Arcee’s sibling that would be Rattrap’s grandparent?

Chromia? They were sisters in the movies and she had a mechfriend/Conjunx Endura/husband/partner in Ironhide.

@@smashley4661 well I remember hearing somewhere that Optimus Prime was her brother, and that is why Rattrap was considered to be a future Autobot leader, but that could be some misinformation I picked up somewhere.

Wasn't Galvatron her twin brother?

Beryl Autumnramble Only in IDW.

Same

Almost as if new toys have been announced...

Fuckin same tho

Those two should do a crossover video

@@jonahg4472 why? Primal had all this info and actually fleshed it out.

I love this idea :D

That... is actually genius

I think that Arcee naturally looks that way and no Transformer has a gender. Humans just refer to her as a she. And the other Transformers adopted this way of speaking because that is what the Humans (Who they learned English from studying) referred to her as.

@@Simon_Reid Nice headcanon, but we know that isn’t really true anymore. Too many continuities acknowledge gender, often to cringe levels (remember Blackarachnia’s introduction?). Honestly, I just default to the Aligned Continuity explanation unless otherwise noted: female Transformers exist because Solus Prime was a chick. Solus Prime was a chick because Primus works in mysterious ways. It even explains the incredibly unbalanced gender ratios: only 1 out of the 13 Primes was female. Thus, we get 12:1 gender ratio favoring males.

Simon Fuhrman was an idiot on his views on female Transformers.

@@ericdunn360 he is not an ultimate writer, people need to understand it already. Good G1 comic doesn't give him a pass on wierd slag.

Eric Dunn and I thought the left was supposed to be open to different views and opinions. Guess not.

Well they tried to introduce some realism(or at least create a concise world logic/consistency) into their world and explaining why robots had genders seemed necessary. Edit: additionally explaining why female robot exists also works for why gender exist in a race of robots.

I personally really like the Solas Prime origin, even though I agree they don't need an explanation, that would explain why _transforming alien android's_ have what we consider female and male. They aren't actually those things, the females and males just "process" differently. Even if I don't give two craps, if I had to sit through an origin, it be the Solas Prime origin.

Chance Gibson male transformers: two biological genders, pick one. It’s a line marketed towards boys. Which one do they pick?

it was assumed until female transformers came around (from what I understand) that transformers were genderless until that point so introducing that came the idea the character's we were following were male and then it comes down to why since they don't reproduce the traditional way.

@@Xeno-The-Wanderer Indeed. Wouldn't have male tranformers without female transformers.

Notice how the crystal gems are the opposite of that, and nobody finds it odd? _It’s almost like giving a species one gender is fine until you retcon a second gender in out of nowhere._

The problem is the transformers were never technically male, they Were A-gender with no reproductive systems, neither male nor female. Thats the reason for having to retcon previous lore to include females when there were never males. It's like trying to force gender on earth worms lol

And then hearing her as Nila in Critical Role was just Such a 180 from Arcee

Prime Arcee honestly is one of the best versions of her to appear as you said she had genuinely sophisticated depth to her and she had genuine reasons for how she acted and after a whole she learned to work together with others again they did a incredible job with Arcee in transformers prime

It's the first robot character I had a crush on 2nd was 2B. And me loving female robots and androids has become common now.

Ah I see you all are men of culture as well

I like the suble pink accents she has and the fact that she joke's in one of the episodes if she would invert her colours she would be completly pink. A great nod to the g1 version

Agreed, the closest thing we got was the third party I ⚙️ gear figure

Xerxes the hollow do you think it would’ve been another “Rainbow Dash Cum Jar” considering the fact Porn was so rare back then

The figure didn’t look too stable though but maybe it was

I was most probably due to her _very_ feminine design and unrealistic transformation was impossible to make with toy engineering at the time. Even today she most ends up being a half-shellformer.

The bigger tragedy is the unreleased G1 Unicron.

Haha

we know; she was only seen in Shanghai & Egypt

Chris explained that in the video. They had the whole chase scene with Sideswipe.

And died in Egypt, why is everyone exempt from life save most named humans and Bumblebee in the movies? Oh right something needed to explode. Bayverse this is why you got rebooted!

Their episode in S2 had me rolling in laughter. They where like 2 little kids.

Simon isn't the smartest man on earth, then it comes to storytelling, simple as that.

@@ls_rus4666 nor the kindest or humble.

Cause it seems that for Simon, female is gender and male is bacteria.

Exactly!

_Now brother, you keep that piston in your pants!_

you'll explode if you stare at those missiles for too long

The Adeptus Mechanicus wants to know your location.

You don't have good taste

Walter Lopez I'd be mad and gun them down with my heavy bolter..if only they didn't make my heavy bolter

I couldn't agree more.

I’ll give Furman pointers for giving us concepts such a Primus and the Wreckers, but considering his rather obnoxious view on Female Transformers, it kinda makes you wonder if he’s got issues

Also, other than Arcee, there’s some characterizations in the IDW Comics I’m really not a fan of, such as Prowl, the original Thirteen, most Beast Wars characters, Unicron and Primus, Humanity and the NAILs’ relationship with the Autobots, stuff regarding Combiner, Head/Target Masters and Minicons, and the invasive crossovers

Although most fans are men, the fans in the two polls, where fans could help determine how the new character should be, always chose a female transformer.

Josiah Nunley yeah the whole thing of the mythology was all a lie thing, the hasbro crossover in order to make it an expanded universe (really they need to focus on the transformers not other series that were struggling), humanity being boring or jerks It all fell apart in the end Hopefully the reboot will learned not to make that mistake

Not really. She wasn't willingly turned into a "vicious monster," it was an undesired side-effect that resulted from Jhiaxus's lack of aftercare. Sure, Anode and Lug's version of transition was more elegant, but the Arcee retcon had to work within the confines of the hand that had already been dealt.

You can blame Simon Furman for putting IDW Arcee in a very weird place.

IDW Arcee makes no sense like much of the things in those comics

That honestly sounds like no matter how hard they to 'fix' her, it seems that they accidentally made her worse by making her into a completely confusing garbled mess of a character.

@@TheFlame234 They had to retcon sex change part to justify why Arcee didn't want to be male again.

Wait what?

sounds more like the writer was really firmly behind the times

@@Jeddostotle7 is the artist behind the times or us? Because that look like something that could happen today (i mean the angry mob that can never be pleased)

Probably one of my most favorite designs in the run too. She just radiates a true warrior.

IDW Megatron:"Am I a joke to you?" 🤨

No offense but I really did not like the murderous rage they gave her in the idw universe.

Wait what

@@tayojones9460 It was a good point for her to grow from, though.

DOOM as in the game?

@@basedpota Yes,my favorite games

Even as a transgender woman, I sorta MAYBE get what Furman was trying to do with the awful forcibly transitioned take? If you're doing speculative fiction, it's maybe a little bit soft-science-y to assume that every alien out there is going to have two primary sexes, and since the vast majority of transformers had been male-coded at that point, Furman probably got it stubbornly in his head that they were an all male Sontaran-style race, and when he included Arcee he tried for an edgier harder sci-fi take (that was full of unfortunate real life implications). BUT that said: 1) there are already transformers that have clear ethnic and racial parallels to humanity through accents and racial coding, and writers haven't needed to justify that, 2) Furman's "forced transition" take comes off as incredibly petulant and bad faith after his "feminist appeasement" take, as if the guy REALLY couldn't handle women transformers and wrote something edgy and shocking for the sake of it. It's honestly a scar on the IDW continuity, and even the retcon that Arcee willingly went to Jhaxius is (while better) still also rife with bad implications about trans people.

I blame the megatron origin comic

I hate how IDW paired her with Aileron. It came out of nowhere and just pander to a subset of fans. Aileron is a waste of space and forgettable. I really hate the OCs IDW created. Nautica is the only one who is tolerable.