When you exercise in a male body, you are training in an elevated hormonal state of testosterone that a female would never be able to meet naturally. You also have denser bone. Larger lung capacity. When you go through puberty as a man there are certain things that never go away. It is not discrimination. Simply a fact.

Talking about women sport with no real biological women in sight 💀

I am not transphobic in the least. My niece is trans and I adore her and will always support her. But Lia has benefited greatly from puberty and testosterone. She's over 6 feet tall. Her wing span and shoulders are huge. She has a definite advantage in the pool over biological females. It's unfair.

This is the highest form of misogyny, to have a man participating and competing against women in a woman’s competition. Also, there isn’t not one woman on this panel speaking for women.

Trans should complete against other trans

It's time to have transgender sports teams. Their kind can compete with each other.

Where are the women? This a discussion about women and no women are speaking.

Complete and utter Bull$#!+. Stop calling him a women. He's a dude.

I think they should have their own division make it simple for everyone

There is not a single woman on that panel.

Yes it was a historic win, it was the first time a man won in a womens NCAA swimming competition. Call me whatever you want it was absolutely unfair to the female competitors.

The trans community can't hold a convo without getting their feelings involved this is so annoying

She has a lot of balls

If that's a woman,then I'm a bus!

lets be real. if "she" wants to compete in athletics, she should compete against the "men".

I agree with respecting rights to identify how you feel however as it concerns to competing it’s not fair....

why don't they just create a new category for transwomen and transmen in sport this has gone too far

The only reasons this he/she or “it” is competing on the girls team is because he/she or “it” sucked terribly when he/she or “it” was an actual man.

Man need to play on the Man team he still is man

Born a man and change the body parts but you still have the strength of a man. Not a hater just a realist. Come on!

Having a year of testosterone suppression and no surgery, it is not fair. Hatred is not the word. Fairness and even playing field. Biology is Biology as far as physical strength etc. It is unfair!!

If they weren't obsessed with their bodies then they wouldn't need to try and replicate a womans body. They make no sense!!!

Competing this way is biologically unfair. And what’s up with their “community” always being ready to fight, being aggressive, and having the mentality that we must all conform to their beliefs?

At the end of the day it's doesn't matter how I feel when it comes to transgender people. But I will say this it's not an even playing field. Lia was born a man and that is fact. When she before the change he competed with men and didn't come close to winning he came in 554 place as a man. So he figure let me transition to a woman so he can be competitive. NCAA needs to create a transgender sports competition for them. To me this is totally unfair!!!

If you can't make it in a man's world, just change your sex to get over, by using your physical man strength and stamina. Bravo DeSantis.

The thumbnail pic is absolutely disgusting 🤮

All I can say is Jesus must be coming soon.

It's not transphobia.

I’ve made no transphobic comments. The trans women on the panel need to stop being so offended and look at this issue objectively. As a transwoman Lia has very prominent male traits that give her a predisposed advantage over women in this sport. I’m fine if she wants to compete but handicaps should be in place to even the playing field. I also feel like as a sportsperson Lia should’ve walked away from swimming. She knows that she has an unfair physical advantage and competing against women who are clearly physically weaker is just wrong. The fact that she can’t fathom that and the trans women on the panel can’t either, blows my mind.

They should have their own division to be fair

“You’re a Man you shouldn’t be Sassy 💁🏼‍♂️” 😮‍💨🔥😭💀🤦🏼‍♂️

its a man baby!

How remarkable that the very moment that she went from being a guy in a male swimming team to a woman in a female one, she immediately became a total champ. Must have been all that happiness from finding herself, I guess. Seriously, how can she not look at her own achievements and wonder "Huh, did I really train that much harder since transitioning?"

I love it when trans people say the way they identify has nothing to do with their sex, but when it comes down to competing its not their mental identity that they are competing with. It's the body that they were born in that they have to use that competes and unfortunately that body is the opposite sex regardless of what your mind wants to think it is. Therefore men need to compete against men and women against women. Taking pills, surgical intervention, or clothes does not change the underlying issue

It's WRONG- And there's no RIGHT about it... This Country's backbone has gone to pot...💯💯

Why is it that every time someone says something about topics such as this that Lia should not be with women swimmers and they speak to a transgender person your comment if you're against it you have to be transphobic. Please stop just because someone disagrees does not mean they're transphobic. It's just they have an opinion just like you do if you're transgender. That cannot be your only argument for everything without you as a transgender person really thinking it out instead of immediately going to the transphobic argument. Give it some thought process what's being said before you automatically say someone is transphobic. Everyone has an opinion. And also check the facts. Without having your feelings hurt. If someone disagrees with your opinion they are not transphobic.

WE NATURAL BORN WOMEN SHOULD NEVER BE SUBJECT TO THIS UNFAIR ADVANTAGE...IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH HORMONES ARE TAKEN, THE FACT IS, A MAN, IS A MAN & A WOMAN, IS A WOMAN~WE ARE NOT THE SAME WHEN IT COMES TO STRENGTH...THAT'S THE REASON FOR MEN'S COMPETITIONS & WOMEN'S COMPETITIONS

As a man, ranks 554th. As a woman, ranks #1. That says it all.

This is getting crazy people want me to act like I don't see a man but he says he is a woman and I call him a man don't get mad at me

Needs to race,Jenner. For championship.

That was like watching a debate with no Brains. A lot of people that agree with the guy on the top left, are most likely nothing like the guy on the bottom right. The arrogant guy on the bottom right with that ugly smile was just rude, so he achieved nothing here. He's clearly not smart enough to be debating this topic, so he goes into insults. The bald guy made some sense, but he was up against two people that are completely in denial about facts. They are too busy taking things personal and feeling insulted instead of thinking about the bigger picture, and what this is doing to women sports.

Are you kidding me.....this has to stop..... men race men and women should race women PERIOD❣️ Joe (guy with the glasses) why are you MAD 😠

He's really got some balls competing against biological women

Beating biological women lol. Unbelievable. 😒

Not hatred. Right is right and wrong is wrong

He couldn't win against the boy's, so he out swims the girl's. They need their own team's.

The other panelists are just telling their truth as they see it and know what a man and a woman is. Men declaring themselves a woman and wearing a wig and a dress does not a woman make!

This isn’t a win for Lia, it’s a loss for all female athletes.

These Transgender people should listen to Caitlin Jenner, she comes at this as a Transgender woman, in a fair way...

They don’t let women fight on the frontlines. That was a lie

I don't like Desantes at all, he's creepy and wants to rule the world and he literally thinks he owns Florida and does whatever he wants. However, this Tran's is definitely built like a man, still looks like a man and I didn't know this was a coed swim meet. I don't think the runner up had a chance...he she should not have been able to swim in this meet.

Come on every1. Let's face it. The swimmer transgender does not have an advantage over the girls. Why do you think he finish 523rd with the men. And 1st in the women. Clearly there is no difference 🤪

Solution, let transgenders compete in transgender compititions.

To me, it's like she couldn't compete as a man, so she transitioned in order to dominate the female swimmers to improve her competitive ranking. Seems unfair. Did she transition after finding out that she couldn't compete with the men? 🤔

Here's 5 grown men debating a joke with multiple interpretations. But, it's still a joke. Let's go back to reality and normalcy, people!

Seriously? Historic win? WTF is so historic about it…he’s a man competing in womens sports and of course he’s gonna dominate in it but thank God for governors like Ron DeSantis setting the record straight of who really won…saying that this is historic is nonsense…nothing historic about a man beating some women in womens sports what it is though it’s it’s embarrassing not historic if they want to compete let them make another bracket for trans people THEN if they win fine…

Save Women Sports and Rights! I will be voting for Republicans this year!!! Why doesn't Trans-sports exist? This is the easiest solution. As a Veteran Woman myself, let's address the military woman pulling men "out of battle" scenario. It is a life saving tactic. It does Not mean that women can Compete with Him! It is no comparison. The Army has seperate Men and Women Physical Fitness Test because of the Physical and Biological Differences!

I am so sick of this foolishness. You can drag ANY full grown men off the field as a woman regardless. you cannot CARRY a full grown men off the field as a woman. That is the difference between a man and a woman. It was apples to oranges when people tried to compare being gay to being black. But they saw fit to make the comparison AND benefit off the comparison. So why is it apples and oranges when the comparison is identifying as a Native American to get financial benefits???

I totally agree that only REAL women should compete in womens sports

5:25 - 5:30 - “soo much obsession with TRANS bodies, we as TRANS people ARE NOT even that obsessed with our bodies” - lmao 😂😭🤣 but, YOU ARE though - last time I checked thats one of the first things TRANS people change THEIR BODIES. 🙄

Did he just say women fighting on the Frontline in the military. The military is constantly changing the PT because the WOMEN are failing at an alarming rate. So I doubt they draging someone off the battle field. Why is the first word out of their mouth transphobia, just because you don't agree with them. Trans never have any valid arguments, just word salad about nothing.

The only opportunity dude can get recognition in swimming community, by becoming a 'fake' woman.

I have nothing against transgender. But we not talk about this like it is normal. Because this is so unfair to the other swimmers who spent their lives training for this one moment. And just to have it taken away just like that. It’s just not right it’s so wrong on every level possible

Wow I agree with the second man. He is saying what everyone is thinking.

Entitlement knows no boundaries!!!!!!

The trans saying how dare you call me a sir well how dare Thomas wreck everything the woman trained for. Get real look at L/Thomas's build long hair doesn't cover up the man's body & muscle.

I love these white men😂😂😂They was putting them men in there place 😂😂😂

remember when "phobia" meant "fear of" back in the old days?

When he competed in the men's he didn't break any records, now he competes in the women's and breaks records, clowning, easy to do an analysis and see dishonesty, how can athletes accept that? It would be very good for she's to go to dispute and not enter the pool, I protest now!!

The one thing I agree with Ron DeSantis on

Why is identifying as a woman linked to lip gloss and long hair? Is biological sex somehow linked to fashion and accessories?

She may feel she was born in the wrong body. I believe that she does feel that way, but think about that…. She was born in a boys body when it should have been a girls. She unfortunately should not be competing in the same category of other females due to that unfortunate fact. I realize it would be very sad if they (trans) could not play in a competition-type sport with the gender team they identify with, but their physiology does not allow an even playing field, even if this is due to a biologic mistake at birth they had no control over. And saying this point of view is simply transphobic is absurd, it is just not fair to the other competitors in the sport.

This is not a trans competition. Is a woman competition.

This is easily the stupidest discussion I have ever watched. 5 men arguing about rights. The world is going mad. Im outa here.

I think I'll be a boy today................but I'll be a girl tomorrow. B S

In sports there should be 3-divisions; male, female, and transgender. That will level the playing field.

And the comparison with the military is ridiculous. Women have different standards they have to meet FOR WOMEN! They aren't the mens standards.

so i guess we need Title 10, TransSports

Unfair advantage

That mouthy he/she makes to want to smack it. Can’t control itself when the others say something it doesn’t like.

It’s a full grown body of a man regardless if u put lipstick on

This is just wrong!! I'm sorry but I just don't agree with a transgender woman competing against biological women.

Women’s sports were a joke and not worth watching before trans athletes entered. Now there is real competition and drama. Every time I tune into a Lia Thomas swim meet I’m excited to see which lucky lady comes in 2nd.

What a damn mess- but I do appreciate the irony of having an all bio male panel debating the long-fought -for right for females to compete in sport equally, as men do. If elite male college athletes were suddenly losing all their medals to females who transitioned and were jacked up on testosterone…only kidding, that has never and will never happen. This is motivated by an inherent hatred and disrespect for _women_. There is an overwhelming entitlement. Lea Thomas and others don’t ‘just want to compete’, they don’t ‘just want to play sport/swim/run’. It isn’t motivated by ‘being an athlete like everyone else on the team’ or ‘Following their athletic dreams like the other competitors’. An athlete wants to be _the best of the best_. They want to go up against the fiercest competitor. They don’t want to compete against the lowest seed, or the slowest swimmer. Because they are motivated by greatness, getting better and better until they become the best. Lea Thomas and others doing this are doing this because their contempt for women is so great, they want to take from them. They want to revel in their loot, in front of an admiring crowd which celebrates and validates their victimhood and delusions. If they were true athletes, they would find a worthy competitor. They are motivated by attention- no, more than that- celebrity. They want all eyes on them while they take what they believe they are owed. As far as the panel- it was a damn mess. It’s like cisgender men and transgender women said “We will send the worst possible people to represent our community”. Maybe this century a _female_ will be invited to discuss issues impacting _females_.

Rooted in fairness not transphobia.

In order for this to be fair then transgender should compete against other transgenders

I don't care how many dresses he wear I am not as strong as him never will be because he is a man

Preach sir...you still a man. Period. His features still look like a man also.

Ok. Fox network messy. But I agree with. These white men on this.

Where are many trans women out there who are speaking up against Leah Thomas, It would have been great To have a couple of them included in this debate.. Biological women are going back in time and losing their rights, I feel awful for my young daughters who are very athletic and who won’t have a chance in their sport of choice if there’s a trans man competing against them…. If you have biological daughters please stand up against this madness and fight for their rights… this is just the beginning … they will lose opportunities to go to the Olympics, to get scholarships, to compete with integrity.. this makes me sad for them so many years to give them rights and now biological males are coming in to take it away in the most unfair way..

This panel is a joke, this conversation went nowhere.

The two trans on this debate are out of their depth. Can't believe they are even trying to justify him competing with women. Just calling it transphobia doesn't win you the argument Their body type is different "You don't know that!" 🤣 Look at them standing on the podium, dude looks like a beast in comparison

God bless Desantis ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️. The Tran swimmer isn’t a woman. He dresses like one and feels like one but that dosnt give him the right to compete against women. If he really wanted to be a champion he would dress like a girl and swim against men. Testosterone dosnt leave just because a man grows his hair and puts on a bikini

Well done by Governor DeSantis.

That ain't no damn woman!!! Dude couldn't win against men so HE now picks on REAL WOMEN 😠

A phobia is a fear. These words are constantly misconstrued. Having a different opinion is not a phobia.

be nice if Fox news actually had a single biological female on this interview panel to see what they think.. being the group affected!!!!

This is total silliness

I will be praying for you guy's

Iszac Henig, a female lesbian who is transitioning to a male, has his breast removed, a large amount of androgen hit, and he is masculine and is building muscle, and he has won the women's competition. He who is virilized is physically advantageous. Iszac Henig isn't a topic at all, but only her female Lia Thomas should be blamed and discriminated against. Lia Thomas's family register is a woman, and being a woman is protected by law. Her face is fair and smooth, she is an elegant beauty, and her body is muscular and beautiful like an athlete and has a good style. She is a wonderful woman who is much more beautiful and looks better than the other women around. Any more, her daily uploads of Lia Thomas are discrimination and human rights violations, so please stop it. Excessive reaction seems to be interesting. 🤢🤢🤢🤢😆😆😆😆