Break up Thorist River monopoly and let building go back to the small businesses that used to build quality with pride.

I spent a year looking to update my RV and everything was carp. I ended up doing a major rebuild of the one I have. For one tenth the cost I once again have a top quality unit.

You know why RVs and Planes are falling apart? Because all the skilled people are travelling in RVs and Planes instead of building them!

@erics.786 That would be nice!

I'm a disabled carpenter, I lost my rental property so I bought an acre and an rv to live in. The construction of this is unbelievably bad. I've gutted the rv and am in the process of remodeling with quality materials. I would advise anyone buying to look for a decent older model and hire a good carpenter to customize your rv. All of the plywood used inside my trailer are for interior use only, I'm rebuilding with exterior quality sheathing plywood. For the cost of a new rv you can customize one to suit your needs. Having said this I'm sure there will be insurance hoops to jump through in many cases.

That's called paranoia. Get help soon.

@@josealqueres Being an engineer...goes with the territory. Both a blessing and a curse. :)

​@@josealquereswow you don't have basic logic huh

@@Tipman2OOO just the opposite.. do your calculations correctly as you should and use the correct materials for the job in question and you shouldn't have any problems sleeping at night 😎

@@josealqueres LOL

That's key. Plus there are plenty of used RVs with better build quality for less 💰

@@AmpedtoGlamp exactly, I’ve been saving for a down payment long enough that I’ve almost got enough to buy a decent used one ~ and they are built much better

I still have my 85 Tioga

Would it be better to buy used and just repair it myself?

​@AmpedtoGlamp Absolutely! They are not worth the price that they are asking for....Rvs can be built way better then what they are doing an putting in them...there's far more way better materials they can use to build these Rvs better for the price. The quality just isn't there I totally agree these greedy companies are so wrong for this

Great tip! Thank you! 😊

good idea

Good advice, but really sad that the quality is this poor

This won't help. The dealers will likely make you sign a statement saying they won't be responsible for any warranty work. If it breaks down, you need to sue the manufacturer and get them to fix it.

If they were quality built you wouldn't need to do that.

That's very true for some industries. Wouldn't it be nice if we could bring the pride back?

It would be delightful. Capitalism does not operate on conscience and morals, so the change is less likely to come from the manufacturer &/or vendor and more likely to come from the consumer. However, we the consumers must hold them to account AND also be held accountable: we must demand better, but we must also expect to pay more. Our "Walmart-ized" sense of consumerism is part of this degradation of quality workmanship.

Thor bought everyone out and it went into the gutter.

I can think of Boeing

Guess they need to start building these in China

Thank you so much! 😊❤️ We've thought about becoming inspectors after we retire. Glad you found us!

Hey Scott! I live in Florida. In 2021 My husband and I bought a travel trailer from Lazy Days in Tampa. It was a fiasco from the beginning. To make a long story short, though, we ended up having our RV delivered to us. They referred us to On the Mark RV inspections and repair. When the owner came to our home, he told us some of the issues that needed to be addressed. I called Lazy Days and made an appointment, which was over a month away. We drove over 2 hours to the dealership and dropped it off. They had it for over 3 months. Upon picking it up, I was told that there was nothing wrong with the A/C. I explained that it was NOT an A/C issue, it was the belt Moulding around the A/C unit that was the issue. When I picked it up, they had parked it in the parking lot between two other RVs, so we couldn't get into it because the doors wouldn't open. When we got it home, we were finally able to go inside. That's when we found all kinds of issues. When we opened the fridge, it was moldy. They were supposed to fix the door handle, because it wouldn't stay closed, and they left it closed with moisture in it. The A/C wasn't touched, and the theatre seating that had come loose was fixed. Not 2 weeks later, the A/C in the living room went down, and the theatre seats had come loose again. I called Lazy Days and talked to the service manager, and he said to bring it back in. So, for the second time in less than 3 months of owning it, it was going back to the dealer. At this point it had never been camping. The second appt. was, again, over a month away. We took it in, and they had it for over 4 months. While they had it, the second A/C had gone down. There was a dark brown liquid leaking into the pot lights in the bedroom, and on the back wall of the bedroom closet. After finally looking at it, they told us that the front cap had been leaking, and that they would have to take it off and also do roof repairs. They had it for another 4 months or so. We were so upset and angry over all of the incompetence! I had been on the phone with Keystone probably 100 times over the course of this process, that they refused to take any more of my calls. I sought a Lemon Law attorney, and I was told that even though I bought the RV in Florida, I couldn't file a suit against them because they are based in Illinois, and Illinois is a NO Lemon Law state. So, we are out $48,000.00 for an RV that has NEVER been camping, it is falling down around us, and there is NO recourse that we can take! IT IS ALL A SCAM!!! DON"T BUY AN RV OF ANY KIND! You will lose your money, because you have no rights!😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡

We have 20,000 miles on ours and something breaks almost every trip.

Yes it is!

😢 WE BOUGHT A BRAND NEW RV& THERE WAS A SCREW THAT WAS TO LONG & IT GOUGED THE VINYL FLOOR AND THEN THE DEALERSHIP TRIED TO FIX IT BUT, , 😮I COULD HAVE DONE A MUCH BETTER JOB ! & THEN WE HAD THE SKIN ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE RV PEAL OFF & THAT WAS A MESS & THEN WE GOT A ANOTHER BRAND NEW CAMPER AND THE AXLE WAS YOUNGER THAN THE CAMPER ITS SELF ! WE HAVES AN OLDER ONES & IT'S BEEN SO MUCH BETTER

It’s not really that! Thor owns 16 manufacturers. Forest river owns like 7 ! They don’t care! They have Billions and they make up the losses from their other companies. 🤔

Thank you! 😊

@johntapia-du3dj: It's all overhyped advertising is what get people excited to willingly pay for overpriced lemon products. Think about how much money goes into advertising instead of research and development, quality being an integral part of R & D. I guess quality is not a concern anymore because there aren't enough safety failures for government to come in and regulate the RV industry. Besides, these types of expensive items are considered luxury products; therefore, the government doesn't feel the need to intervene on behalf of the public. This kind of good information presented in this video is a moot point unless the consumers demand better quality for what they are paying for. Business in America pretty much sucks. We're reverting back to the old days where profit is first and everything else is last. This is what almost destroyed Ford.

Nice! Would love to see a pic!

@AmpedtoGlamp I don't know how to post the pictures, or I would

Smart. Get a 7x16 cargo trailer, and save 150,000 dollars.

@mattdelany6799 yes sir,&my build is much more solid

Cargo trailer is awesome.

Thank you @rickt1951 and welcome aboard! 😎👍

This. Same. Sub. Keep it up.

So who has the worse fit and finish; Boeing or RV manufacturers

Smart move. In fact it's something we're considering.

@@AmpedtoGlamp I am an RV tech, and I promise you will not regret that decision! I love working on old units, they're built so nice and easier to repair because its not made of paper mache.

​@G35Jeesh Then a question...who exactly works on underbay air con units? I can't find anyone who does...not RV does, not HVAC companies...NOBODY.

​@@billcichoke2534 So, like an air condition unit that is not on the roof, but rather in the storage area or underneath the living area? If so, I honestly have never seen 1 in my 6 years and it sounds like a specialty type thing tbh lol.

@G35Jeesh a lot of school buses and Greyhound buses had the same thing. But outside of authorized dealers, I can't find out who services THEIRS.

That's terrible! Never should have happened.

Thank you! Will start working on a best and worst video.

@@AmpedtoGlamp Looking forward to it!

Keystone RVs are the worst. They use cheap quality material for everything. Things break and fall apart very quickly. Constant fixing here and there. Outdoor rv mountain series are much much better when it comes to material quality, much less maintenance required. I lived in both, stay away from keystone

Older the better it seems.

Well said.

Have you listened to Liz? Amazing you guys should get a group of people together I mean because they are ganging up on her right now and hire a lawyer and protect your fellow nomads had a sell her RV and stealth.

@@susanstebila8707huh?

Wow! I guess RV repair is a good business.

You're right. Dealers have a responsibility too!

I went on a tour of an RV dealer last week. They said they got a used one in last week and they went thru it and cleaned and fixed things. I thought that was great so I went out to the black tank release lever and pulled it. Big mistake. Poop all over the ground. I pulled the two grey tank levers. Again, big mistake. I told the salesman to go pound sand and he can clean the parking lot, and I left. Apparently they had no problem lying to get a sale.

We feel your pain. This just shouldn't be. ☹️

I wonder though if the workers are getting direction to just get them off the floor? Hard to say.

I wouldn’t think so. I did notice in videos of RV factories a very young looking work force. My guess is most of the experienced employees have retired. I would also like to know what the salaries are for workers, if they have an apprenticeship program and if they have good benefits. Thank you both for for your reply and your great videos! @@AmpedtoGlamp

I solely blame management. I remember when workers that didn’t fit the core value of the company was sent on their way. The change must come from the top.

​@@acouncil8254 The core value is to maximize profits

The manufacturers are more interested in profits and the workforce lacks the experience to properly build and service RV’s.

We saw your video on the rotting floor. So sorry you are going through this too. If you ever in the Mid-Atlantic give us a holler and we'll grab a beer.

@@AmpedtoGlamp You got it! We're in theVirginia Beach area, so Absolutely! Safe Travels and have a good one.

I bought used. I was told the older the better!!! I bought a 2015 Class C. We’ve enjoyed her for two years. We feel blessed❣️

It's disappointing that so many are leaving RVing because of quality. It's worse that folks like you have to fight the manufacturers with legal threats. The downsizing is already happening. Just last week Newmar had a massive layoff.

Oh yes. No one should buy an RV without an inspection. Sadly even with an inspection there is no guarantee these RVs will be free of problems.

Thank you! 😊❤️

Welcome aboard! We're so happy to have. you as a part of our community.

You'll notice better quality materials in older RVs. If you haven't seen Liz Amazing check out her channel. She has a video where she compares a newer model to an older model. The difference is shocking!

We will continue to hold the RV industry accountable and educate new buyers.

We saw that vid. Unbelievable!

Yep. Also they will delay repairs or do half assed repairs until the warranty expires. The warranties are worthless. If one repair takes 6 months that warranty will expire quick. An RV is truly the definition of a money pit.

I saw that video he was talking about the contract that dealers have you sign, today. No negotiations.

Yes, the Contessa was a good one.

Thank you! And Newmar along with Brinkley while not perfect stand out from the other brands.

Thank you! Will do! 😊❤️

We had the opportunity to meet with the owner. Really nice guy who stands up for his customers.

You bet! Thanks for watching!

Thank you! Our goal was to help consumers looking to buy new. In the next few weeks we'll be putting out a series of videos on how to buy smart including an interview with an RV inspector. Stay tuned.

Welcome! Glad you found us! 😊

This is starting to sound like the folks over at Boeing?? Poor quality control,shareholders more important, ai jai jai!!!!!!!

Thank you so much!

We couldn't stay quiet on this one.

We need something. And, the RV industry is incapable of regulating themselves.

Yes, we know Liz. She is doing a great job and we've sent folks her way.

Thank you! Yes, you must know what you are getting into to.

That's very kind of you. Thank you! 😊❤️

I don't blame you. I hope it keeps running for a long time.

It's my pleasure. We both come from military families.

Thank you, Paul 😊❤️

We would love to see the final product. Send us a pic when your done (ampedtoglamp@gmail.com)

@@AmpedtoGlamp I’ll do that. 👍

It's so sad to hear stories like this.

Wow! 😯 That says a lot!

No worries. You can catch us on the replay. We've found that YT won't send notifications unless you have 'All" selected.

So true! Liz Amazing did a comparison between new RVs and older RVs. The differences were unbelievable.

Those older units are usually made entirely of wood and are full of mold and mildew from years of water infiltration. Older isn't necessarily better.

My 1989 Beaver Contessa is all wood on the interior and there is absolutely no leaking nor mold and I am in rainy Oregon.

We'll have to spend more time looking at Class B RVs. Several viewers have shared your sentiment.

Don't give up on getting an RV. There are plenty of good quality used RVs. Just be sure to get an inspection.

Good choice! Hopefully things will eventually change.

It's mostly resorts that have the restrictions. But many will allow you to send in a photo. They want to make sure you won't roll in with an eye sore

Thank you! We're really hoping things get better but its going to be a while.

You bet

We agree!

LOL 🤣🤣🤣. Maybe...

Ha ha, that’s funny right there !! 🤣🤣🤣

They used to use quality materials. Liz Amazing has a video where she compares an older rig and its newer counterpart....mind blowing the difference in materials.

You bet! Thank you for watching! 😊

Happy to help!

Welcome aboard! 😊 We appreciate the sub and we are so glad you found us! Liz is truly 'Amazing'!

Wow! That's an impressive amount of house and land for an extremely low rent. I've heard Costa Rica is really popular for retirees.

@@AmpedtoGlamp Costa Rica has a population just over 5,000,-000. Any more than 50 ,000 , moving here would be unwanted an have disastrous affect.

@@AmpedtoGlamp Leases are for 3 years. You cannot lease without Residency. Expect that to take 3 to 4 years.

So sad 😞

Now we have to convince manufactures to improve quality.

So true

You lucked out! Most of us don't realize it until we buy our first one.

Thanks for watching!

So sorry to hear that. ☹️ Just shouldn't happen.

Thank you! We appreciate it! 🤗

Yup!