Before Bauhaus: How Goth Became Goth

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Goth is many things. It's a Germanic tribe, a style of architecture, a type of literature, of film. It's a youth movement. What ties most of these together is a sense of dark romanticism. But despite Marilyn Manson and My Chemical Romance being infamous for their adoption of gothic fashion, their music isn't what would traditionally be classified as goth. To quote Sasha Geffen of Pitchfork: “[Goth] songs were marked by echoes, distortion, minimal guitar lines, and an arch taste for the macabre; their electroshocked hair, smears of black eyeliner, and dark clothes only reinforced the vibe.”
So while any youth dressed in black with a fondness for obvious make-up can be dubbed “goth”, it doesn't mean they listen to goth music. That is a separate thing with its own sonic template. So as the nights grow increasingly cold and dark, join me in discovering how we got to the point where goth became a defined genre with a look, sound and lyrical preferences, from the early delves into darkness of "I Put a Spell on You" by Screamin Jay Hawkins, "The End" by The Doors and "All Tomorrow's Parties" by Velvet Underground, through "Dead Babies" by Alice Cooper, "In Every Dreamhome, a Heartache" by Roxy Music, "Third Uncle" by Brian Eno, "Human Fly" by the Cramps, Unknown Pleasures by Joy Division, ending with "A Forest" by The Cure and "Bela Lugosi's Dead" by Bauhaus This is "How Goth Became Goth".
#Goth #MusicDocumentary #VideoEssay
Soundtrack:
yutaka hirasaka - lost melody (yutakahirasaka.bandcamp.com/)
Pracs - Kilt and Cutter ( / pracs )
Stars As Lights - Days, Weeks, Years Gone By (starsaslights.bandcamp.com)
Stars As Lights - The Sound of Our Hearts (starsaslights.bandcamp.com)
Patricia Taxxon - Bellstep (patriciataxxon.bandcamp.com/)
Patricia Taxxon - Pieces of Me (patriciataxxon.bandcamp.com/)
Stars As Lights - Hand On Heart (starsaslights.bandcamp.com)
Luar - Anchor ( / luarbeats )
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
01:10 Screamin' Jay Hawkins
03:47 The End
06:25 The Velvet Underground
08:49 Nico
11:33 Alice Cooper
13:46 Glam Rock
16:26 Frankie Teardrop
18:39 The Cramps
20:56 Post-Punk
23:24 Bauhaus
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@TrashTheory 4 жыл бұрын

So what modern bands do you believe embody the spirit of gothic rock? Trash Theory playlists - Spotify: tinyurl.com/yxp32pjf Deezer: tinyurl.com/y2mdp8h2 Also if you want to help out, here's my patreon link: patreon.com/trashtheory

@Mildon44 4 жыл бұрын

one of the best modern goth bands I've seen are "the TRAITRS" they just have a beautiful feel to their songs

@Xskramz_archivistX 4 жыл бұрын

can u do how emo became emo

@robertpetre9378 4 жыл бұрын

Trim tribes , she passed away , Lebanon’s Hanover, whispers in the shadows to name a thew.

@robertpetre9378 4 жыл бұрын

emmanuel de la cruz yes they are defiantly goth adjacent like industrial music

@vallisdaemonumofficial 4 жыл бұрын

🤔 DEFINITELY NOT SOUNDCLOUD RAPPERS, THEY WOULDN'T BE DYING IF THEY WERE GOTH BECAUSE GOTH IS DEAD. UNDEAD. UNDEAD.

@BookOfFaustus 4 жыл бұрын

I love Bela Lugosi's Dead because I can start the song, do the dishes, walk the dog, and pick out an outfit before the song even starts

@Dr.Thirteen 4 жыл бұрын

😂

@renendell 4 жыл бұрын

hahaha

@siren71 4 жыл бұрын

Lol yes!

@GillesSusant 3 жыл бұрын

What about listening to the song? Pink Floyd gets up to 23 minutes. It's still music worth listening to

@inthefade 3 жыл бұрын

I love Bela Lugosi's Dad.

@betttrbeth Жыл бұрын

Oddly, being Goth in the late 80s and obsessing over death and listening to Bauhaus & Joy Division and The Cure was a fun time in my life.

@matham625 Жыл бұрын

check this out: Harry Toledo - Knots from Max's Kansas city.. best proto goth song ever: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kL6IgayKzbWtmZc.html .........................& ps not enough of the dammned here

@deborahbergman3566 Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't take Alice Cooper or Nico or even the Doors for being the predecessors of Goth...but ok :/

@melissasanford2051 Жыл бұрын

True dat!

@teledoink Жыл бұрын

Me too! I miss smoking clove cigarettes and sitting around waiting for the concert venue to let us in, while talking about how misunderstood we all were. It was nice to feel like I finally had a community of other kids who knew how I felt

@pfrstreetgang7511 Жыл бұрын

Thank God I'm not the only person who experienced that.

@lynnhettrick7588 2 жыл бұрын

I like the analogy of goth being the younger sibling of post-punk. I think that fits well. I was in high school in the late '80s and we considered The Cure, Siouxsie, PIL, Cocteau Twins, The Smiths, Echo & the Bunnymen, etc. to be post-punk.

@AutPen38 Жыл бұрын

There was a sort of joke in the late '80s that went something like "How do you know when someone's a goth? They deny it!" It was kind of weird how you'd have fans of the Cure and Siouxsie with powdered white faces, huge backcombed hair, and black and purple clothes and they'd always say "I'm not a goth!"

@profezzordarke4362 Жыл бұрын

@@AutPen38 And now we're quite the opposite and have to defend the definition of Goth, because people make it only a fashion movement and completely forget that Goth Rock is *still an active scene*

@Kenlydford Жыл бұрын

My older brother would refer to it as progressive rock. I thought it was closer to punk always. I didn’t hear the term goth much until the late eighties. I didn’t argue with him because I loved a lot of these bands and didn’t really care.

@markc17 Жыл бұрын

I'd always thought of Echo as more pop but I guess you're right that sonically they do share something with the Cure and Siouxsie. But The Smiths? I would have thought them much too late and different to be post-punk, maybe sonically influenced but there was a lot of water under the bridge by the time they started. Indie made a whole new branch of the family of its' own by the time of the Smiths.

@melissasanford2051 Жыл бұрын

I concur

@liv8370 Жыл бұрын

When you’re realizing you’ve been listening to goth music without actually being goth for years

@profezzordarke4362 Жыл бұрын

That makes you a goth, it's about the music, not the fashion.

@rb5078 Жыл бұрын

Same. I'm in my 40's and I've been listening to goth my entire life. It's always been my favorite genre. People are always shocked because I look so plain. I do love the aesthetic, but it's just too much work for me. I'd rather just wear jeans and a t-shirt with no makeup. lol

@k1ttyF158er Жыл бұрын

@@profezzordarke4362 Actually, the term "goth" originally had nothing to do with music and was ALL about the fashion....... The term "goth" was coined by Ian Astbury (of the Cult) when referring to Andi from the band 'Sex Gang Children' as "The Gothic Goblin" because he was this little guy who used to read Edith Piaf, dressed in black and lived in the Visigoth Towers in Brixton. -- I first heard the story from Dave Roberts (bass player of Sex Gang Children). Though there are links online that can corroborate.

@deespaeth8180 Жыл бұрын

LOL I just realized I'm goth.

@martinandroid2538 Жыл бұрын

@@rb5078 I look so plain now at 58 as well. :)

@takoinche 3 жыл бұрын

I love how every "how [genre] became [genre]" mentions The Velvte Underground

@postpunk6947 3 жыл бұрын

Because velvets are genius band, velvets and beatles, the most influential bands ever

@mgm8255 3 жыл бұрын

@@postpunk6947 there will not be any artists that will influence as much as they did, without them nothing would be the same

@postpunk6947 3 жыл бұрын

@@mgm8255 totally right

@elainebelzDetroit 3 жыл бұрын

And yet not enough mention of John Cale.

@israelmaldonado2928 3 жыл бұрын

@@elainebelzDetroit what are you talking about, they mention him plenty

@AntaresSelket 3 жыл бұрын

As a preteen I went through a phase of listening to the Doors. My mom, who grew up in the era, asked, "Aren't some of their songs depressing?" A year later I was dressed all in black, listening to Bauhaus, Glam Rock, and New Wave, and she was grounding me for wearing black and wanting to dye my hair black. Cut to present day, and I still wear all black and dark makeup, playing a goth playlist periodically. I raised my son as a goth parent, and people were often shocked to see such a polite, respectful boy, being raised by me. I was dressing goth in the eighties, when half of society thought we were satanics, while now, society sees goth as a phase or genre style and older goths like me are still goth (no phase here).

@brandonboogers 3 жыл бұрын

The Doors really is the gateway drug to the dark side of music; I went from The Doors to black metal (NOT DEATH METAL).

@keirfarnum6811 2 жыл бұрын

Eldergoths unite! I’m just glad there are babybats still into it.

@AntaresSelket 2 жыл бұрын

@@keirfarnum6811 Me too! I always knew gothdom was for life.

@ThePlaySpace-CurtainCall Жыл бұрын

@AntaresSelket I'm pretty certain I was the first goth kid in Alabama back in the 80's. While everyone else was listening to Bon Jovi and Whitesnake I was wearing out Cult and Damned records alongside Fields of the Nephilim and early 70's glam. I started my first band with the drummer for Man or Astro Man? and the guitarist for Lunasect. We were awful. It didn't help that I wanted to be Dave Vanian so bad I could taste it, despite sounding more like Ian Asterbury...or Ethel Merman. I will confess that the clothes and make up eventually became too impractical, especially for work. But, I still have all of it in my closet next to my suits.

@AntaresSelket Жыл бұрын

@@ThePlaySpace-CurtainCall Who knew, I should have gone to Alabama!

@zetovidillard Жыл бұрын

As a gen Z goth i thought I knew how goth became its own genre but I've learned SO MUCH from this video. This solidifies my desire to finish college with a music degree because the history of music and how genres are formed is so complex and interesting. There are so many factors! I would love to research modern music!

@Mangosta12jr Жыл бұрын

Go ahead and study musicology, trust me, you'll learn so much not only about modern and pop music but about the roots of all music and you will see and appreciate the similarities ! I'm in my last year of my musicology degree < 3

@youtubehatesfreespeech744 Жыл бұрын

Sorry but there's no such thing as gen Z Goth. Just poser's. Just so you know, pop band's like my chemical romance, and AFI, are absolutely not Goth. Rarely are true goth band's popular or well known. That was part of the appeal, because it was a sub genre of a few people. The moment it went mainstream, Goth died. It died before you were even born. But if you are really into the culture and scene, look into band's like Selofan, She Past Away, Boy Harsher, and Tearful Moon for new Goth. The best Goth music is coming from Greece and Turkey these day's. American music blow's major ass right now. It's all pop and rap garbage, and the way people act reflects that... Best luck in your gothic journey.

@akmediascope Жыл бұрын

I too learned a lot! I am 67

@akmediascope Жыл бұрын

Yes! College is wonderful. I started theatre training at 41 and it has been the catalyst of my life

@ericsilberstein667 Жыл бұрын

It’s a subgenre of Alternative.

@theplaguepadart3743 2 жыл бұрын

The special thing about goth is its such an umbrella. There so many genres under the goth umbrella that so many people can come together. From a more harsh, lyrical chaotic music, to slower, distorted, and romance ish. There are so many of us that we can meet many other goths and learn new things. It's beautiful

@davetheimpaler204 Жыл бұрын

I like the more open-minded approach to the genre. Being too much of a purist is kind of a turn-off for me because I always saw the pushback against bands that became popular, like Marilyn Manson, from the gothic community to just be a form of petty gatekeeping and not wanting to share the culture with others. Several songs on Manson's first album alone certainly qualify as goth music, for example, and many other bands that were rejected by purists have several goth songs as well or a very clear gothic influence.

@williamzebub3252 Жыл бұрын

@@davetheimpaler204 Yeah, this is way too gatekeepy for my liking. All credit to the originators, but Goth has progressed far beyond the trad goth style of music. There's a wide variety of music out there that that's been released since 1990 that can be legit classified as goth.

@theplaguepadart3743 10 ай бұрын

@@sleep4579 hit me with em! I'll listen to anything and give it a chance.

@mleszzor6866 10 ай бұрын

@@sleep4579 I'm intrigued, may you please tell me about this?

@KimiChanJapan 9 ай бұрын

"goth rappers" aren't goth. that Is rappers who dress goth.

@mindyourownbusiness5515 4 жыл бұрын

I clicked the video because I'm an old goth and am stoned and just killing time, not expecting it to be any more than a bit of nostalgia connected by some mindless verbiage, but it was surprisingly well informed and written by someone who clearly 'gets' goth music. If this was the product of research from someone who didn't live through it first hand, then bloody well done!

@joeyroy7864 4 жыл бұрын

Hell Yeah!

@Saffron-sugar 4 жыл бұрын

Same story here. Pleasant surprise

@ngairehodge8566 4 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@cthulhu6697 4 жыл бұрын

I agree. This guy clearly did his homework. I'm an old goth myself and, like Mindyour Ownbusiness, I'm killing time while high ( oxycodone and xanax ) and thought I would have some laughs at the inaccuracies of a "made for trendy" documentary for wannabe's. I'm pleasantly surprised. This is a well done piece of video about the stuff that influenced goth. I still think Johnny Cash was the first goth; he dressed in black, his songs were depressive and gloomy, and so on. Very well done

@xadamxcabalx 4 жыл бұрын

This guy always does his homework on his videos. Check out his other work.

@tipsybass7060 3 жыл бұрын

I never would of thought the doors as goth, but it does make sense considering much of Morrison’s poetry is macabre. What a great documentary!!

@cortex13_ 2 жыл бұрын

well they're an influence on goth. I wouldn't exactly call the doors goth

@prettyaverage97 2 жыл бұрын

@@cortex13_ They aren't, but Jim Morrison's lyrics and even some instrumentals for their songs have definitely influenced goth rock

@mikefarrell4742 Жыл бұрын

I would totally consider The Doors a proto Goth Rock or Death Rock band

@superfoo8258 Жыл бұрын

Definitely proto goth

@outsidethewall8488 Жыл бұрын

I had never considered this, but I think proto-goth is a good way of putting it. Kind of like how I see the Smiths as proto-emo - they didn't have that emo aesthetic but they definitely had the self-hating lyrics.

@MaxRamos8 Жыл бұрын

I think you nailed it, dark romanticism, literally. That era of history (late 1700s-Mid 1800s) brought us Funeral marches, dramatic operas, Edgar Allen Poe, and some fantastic music.

@user-hg3iv5hy3s 7 ай бұрын

Not to mention the music of the dark and Middle Ages Stuff like this… Worldes Blis kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gZuTmqmYvb-nmIk.htmlsi=XpPdOz5lOZ_NsgkN And another version of it at 3:10 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gKmFgtxprNq4iYE.htmlsi=HPZuJjEbJycRfYxj Or starting at 4:08 - this… kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aKiAps-p1s3Pe6M.htmlsi=9zWugj6CZ0tAXKT6

@WildsDreams45 Жыл бұрын

My dad would always tear up when he heard that song "This is the end" and he told me that when he was over there he really did think that it was the end for him because he had lost people that were close to him in that war and he had done things that were unredeemable. Something he still struggles with.

@HkFinn83 9 ай бұрын

Do you think he’s worried he’s going to hell?

@WildsDreams45 9 ай бұрын

@@HkFinn83 "I believe that men seek the afterlife in the hopes of having a better life than they lived on earth. A life free of pain, suffering and torment. A paradise. Something that even the wealthiest among us can't find. " That's something that my father said. We're both atheist, and it's not the thought of going to hell that he struggles with, but the thought of how he's affected people and families. He's the kind of guy who would capture a spider, and put it outside. In order to protect his brothers he did things that he'll never forgive himself for. I can understand the burden he feels, but living a life without the possibility of redemption is the ultimate punishment in my eyes.

@reneerolandgraceinyourface 8 ай бұрын

The Lord paid for that. He should forgive himself. God has for the sake of Christ. My dad served 2x in Vietnam. He was messed up😢 too

@ViRRization 4 жыл бұрын

A genealogy of Goth music that points out Nico as a pivotal influence, at last!!

@luismarioguerrerosanchez4747 4 жыл бұрын

@virginia romero She's deserves more credit than she gets, the only true original artist of the 20th century.

@johngarbutt 4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely correct. She was awesome. Don't overlook the part John Cale played in putting together The Marble Index. Nico could do no wrong in my opinion. Totally original and a highly intelligent woman. RIP.

@timprescott4634 4 жыл бұрын

Luis Mario Guerrero Sánchez oh please....

@spiritualcramp8000 4 жыл бұрын

cmon she just a singer velvet underground was the shit

@lextalonis839 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah Nico had the image and the music.

@geekthegirl6961 4 жыл бұрын

Iron Butterfly's In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida began in 1968, and only recently finished this past August.

@bcccl569 4 жыл бұрын

underrated comment

@sparksmcgee6641 4 жыл бұрын

Once had an old guy working with me at a pizza joint look a me and say "Its hard to whistle in a gadda da vida while you work"

@nekkidpossum4397 4 жыл бұрын

@SavoxYT 4 жыл бұрын

That song sounds like rock and/or roll...

@andchat6241 4 жыл бұрын

In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida is used brilliantly in the film 'Manhunter ' ........( & the simpsons) rock & / or roll indeed it is..

@AutPen38 Жыл бұрын

Nico's voice is my all-time favourite, but I'd never heard that description before "like a cello getting out of bed in the morning". Brilliant!

@Bexks 7 ай бұрын

I can sing just like her 😊

@julianhermanubis6800 2 жыл бұрын

Nina Hagen and Lene Lovich both come a few years before goth rock coalesced and have to be considered as influences. Also, I'd like to have seen a bit about European goth bands, like Xmal Deutschland and Clan of Xymox.

@gabrielhaas Жыл бұрын

X-Mal was one of my favs!

@alexengland-shinemercy Жыл бұрын

Good comment. No spite, just relevant points to add to the conversation.

@madslasher12 4 жыл бұрын

I love how the Doors are mentioned early on in the video. Definitely innovators- so creative and dark for their time, yet their music still sounds fresh today

@amandaredd3057 2 жыл бұрын

I still get lost anytime The End comes on

@karleeweeg4998 Жыл бұрын

It makes sense that I’m a huge fan of both the doors and bauhaus and cinema strange and other such groups. I mean, for those who are skeptical check out “not to touch the earth” eerie tune.

@garygomesvedicastrology Жыл бұрын

I don't recall Arthur Brown being mentioned (Arthur had the weird make up before Alice Cooper did-he was probably too high energy to be considered Goth, maybe?) But, in retrospect, Arthur anticipated Progressive, even some electronic music) If I missed it, sorry...but he should be. So should groups like the (don't laugh) Zombies and Beau Brummels and even Music Machine.

@IDoDeclareify 4 жыл бұрын

Making this a pre-goth Spotify playlist ASAP

@kool_thing 4 жыл бұрын

Please, share a link here

@Flo-jn9hu 4 жыл бұрын

@@kool_thing open.spotify.com/playlist/3WH3YuFq3oM9ThkUSt3W3e

@Balidor 4 жыл бұрын

@@Flo-jn9hu Thanks mate !

@TassosFragou 4 жыл бұрын

open.spotify.com/playlist/6obH9DFpVEXgHbAteH7NR7?si=8hRNzZckSUOGldA_tj2zKg The playlist by @flo is great but it's a list of the whole channel, not this video in particular. I've made one with only the bands in the video plus others that I consider to fall in the same proto-goth style. Enjoy.

@stickywickedy 4 жыл бұрын

@@TassosFragou Thanks, much appreciated

@greenaum Жыл бұрын

Literally a history of every musician who ever wore eyeliner. Fantastic.

@briannae.martin9959 Жыл бұрын

I loved watching the transition. It makes me happy to see the history of goth and how it came to be. I once went through my transition too from being “normal” confused and not knowing what I was who I was to dwelling further and further into the culture of goth and I will never go back. I always had an eye for the odd and irregular things, for darker and obscure. I felt misunderstood for many years and now I am happier than ever knowing I found what makes me feel as if I am home no matter where I go. 🖤Thank you for this video!

@cnoeroman 4 жыл бұрын

I would also add Leonard Cohen as an important influence, especially on a lyrical level. Considering that one of the most important Goth Rock bands -The Sisters Of Mercy - took their name from one of Cohen's songs, besides, relevant people for the scene such as Nick Cave calls Cohen as a major influence on his writing style. In the album Songs of Love and Hate, the gloomy and romantic style that later would permeate the entire gothic scene, is already conteined

@luismarioguerrerosanchez4747 3 жыл бұрын

His songs are very depressing and sad, but with a lyrical richness that all those kids in dracula make up could only dream of.

@hollowone777 3 жыл бұрын

I mean, I remember when I was first discovering the Bauhaus and Joy Division, I also found Leonard Cohen and I was utterly bewildered why other goths didn't listen to him. I'm still bewildered. Ugh, no one listens to me anyway and I'm too old to yell at kids who only give a fuck about what they look like.

@jamesmoore2223 3 жыл бұрын

Avalanche

@riphopfer5816 2 жыл бұрын

I completely concur.

@kostajovanovic3711 2 жыл бұрын

@Aaron Kroll that was indeed a bate

@soaribb32 4 жыл бұрын

Suicide was so fucking ahead of its time. Those synths sound so fresh.

@nicholasromig5506 4 жыл бұрын

it's funny, on the first album it's just an organ. the synths came later.

@LividImp 4 жыл бұрын

Still no band quite like them. Maybe Tuxedomoon, or The Screamers are a bit like them, but still very unique.

@user-wl2xl5hm7k 4 жыл бұрын

Nicholas Romig A main thing is the drum machine on that first album

@nicholasromig5506 4 жыл бұрын

@@user-wl2xl5hm7k it's SOOO primitive, I love it. I just got a nice red vinyl release of the S/T suicide album, it holds up so well

@HectorSpector 4 жыл бұрын

@@nicholasromig5506 they used effect pedals(electro harmonix) on the organ. So it sounds a little bit more like a synth.

@sugaryxegnirys 2 жыл бұрын

My teenage angst lead me into Japanese rock, which I found so fascinating. It's only now in my 30s I see the influences of my favorite 80s, 90s, and 00s j-rock bands.

@juliusseizure324 2 жыл бұрын

Check out (if you already haven’t): Death Side Paintbox G.I.S.M. Forward

@cocoabuttaflyy 4 ай бұрын

Same here back in 2003

@stevendphoto 3 жыл бұрын

I'm fine with JD and Bauhaus being credited as being the first Goth band pioneers, but have always loved THE END by the Doors and never knew why....

@AC-hj9tv Жыл бұрын

Can hear some of the Doors in Echo and the Bunnymen. Isn't that wild?

@chris55top 10 ай бұрын

Ian from Echo and the Bunnymen is obsessed with the Doors @@AC-hj9tv

@HekylHyde 4 жыл бұрын

Dead Can Dance enters the scene in 1981, but they were certainly influential, but never seem to get recognition. Their discography was also very eclectic, mixing in much tribal and Celtic style.

@timarielarose3011 4 жыл бұрын

Yes! Their self-titled 1984 album was a staple in my early collection.

@djdrack4681 4 жыл бұрын

They were definitely pioneers but like Clan of Xymox and Lacrimosa they quickly went on to pave new grounds that can be argued as quite distinct from Bauhaus/SoM/The Cure imitators.

@davidcreegan952 4 жыл бұрын

DCD is in a world all to themselves. I've seen them 4 times live and been listening since 89 when I first heard "The Arrival and the Reunion". So glad you mentioned them.. I wanted to but wondered if the younger crowd would "get it"

@samhaines8228 4 жыл бұрын

4 A.D. was a hell of a label

@Iofflight78 4 жыл бұрын

Going to see them for the 4th time in May. Super happy about it, they are phenomenal live.

@Lycurgus1982 4 жыл бұрын

I know this is fairly obvious, and they were essentially a 90's metal band, but i think Type o Negative really captured the gothic vibe in a way that no one has before or have since. To be honest, they weren't the most musical band, but their approach aesthetically is remarkable. A deep voice with a slow pace, heavy distortion and a sprinkle of piano. They really take me there.

@skwaab 2 жыл бұрын

Peter Steele was the living embodiment of the whole thing. 6ft 7in of crooning vampire.

@NatteRoll 2 жыл бұрын

True, AKA Wolf Moon, Suspended in Dusk Vibe, Haunted, Anesthesia...

@golgariblightwarlock 2 жыл бұрын

I can see why you'd think that. But type o negative are doom metal, not goth. Goth and metal are two different things, influences and imagery aside. They are an epic band though with many tongue in cheek nods towards the actual goth subculture, despite them being metal.

@staceysaurusrex2630 2 жыл бұрын

@@golgariblightwarlock I've typically seen Type O, the Peaceville three, etc. referred to as "gothic metal". These bands have the same influences as goth, but they were also directly influenced by goth itself, which had peaked just a few years before they were active. The fashion most (mainstream) people think of as goth nowadays is also the 90's/00's "mall goth" evolution of the style that's more associated with goth metal than the original batcave music. So imo, it's not incorrect to refer to Type O Negative as "goth" - I see both goth metal and traditional goth as distinct "species" within the "genus" of goth.

@golgariblightwarlock 2 жыл бұрын

@@staceysaurusrex2630 and therein lies the issue, because gothic metal does take inspiration from traditional goth. But being inspired by something, doesn't make you a part of it. While I disagree with your conclusion I appreciate the well thought comment and the basis of your opinion. The mall goth thing was purely a creation of the media who failed to understand the actual goth subculture in the late 90's and started associating bands based purely on aesthetics rather than having anything musically in common, same with bands like nine inch nails, again, not goth but the media said otherwise. Obviously the younger generation then picked up on that and thus the whole issue got perpetuated. I'm a fan of both traditional goth and of metal, but the latter is not part of the former. They are two distinct subcultures. So while your summation that refering to type o negative as 'gothic metal' is correct. They aren't 'goth' in terms of the subculture, that refers to the post punk/positive punk movement that started in the late 70's early 80's, as you say, the batcave style, which still exists today. Hence my comment on there being a distinct difference culturally. Gothic metal is part of the metal subculture, not the goth subculture. As those are two very different things. ☺️ (Edit: spelling corrections)

@beatapozitiva5215 Жыл бұрын

I knew Nico and hung out with her a few times when she was living in London . She was an amaaaaazing lady. She had more Charisma than anyone Ive met before or since ~Bless 🥰

@AC-hj9tv Жыл бұрын

Me too

@BeliaLastes 9 ай бұрын

I would have loved to have hung out with Nico she was charismatic and the way she called Jim Morrison her soul brother because he told her to write poetry and lyrics and play her own music 🎶❤ RIP Beautiful Nico and her son Ari 🙏🏻🌹🕊️❤🖤

@sgemicha1899 Жыл бұрын

Respect! I was a club DJ and concert promoter in the alternative scene (PostPunk, Psychedelic, GothicRock, NewWave and SynthPop, etc.) in the 80s to mid 90s. I discovered your channel more by accident. Your videos are very solid and well researched (also the SynthPop, Psychedelic/Metal, Nu-Metal videos are very informative). I knew every artist and title in this video here, it was a true trip into my past, pure nostalgia. . . . Just one exception: The relevance of "Screamin Jay Hawkins" to later PostPunk and Gothic is a fact that I was not aware of. But you're right. It testifies your broad understanding, and how well you're able to link the different things into a well-connected rock-music map relating to each other. Always interesting, and you will learn something new, even if you think you know already. Maybe, you might have time to make a second part covering the era from the mid 80s to the late 90s and beyond (US, UK, Europe). Whatever name you give it - "2nd Wave" of Gothic / NeoFolk / DarkWave / ElectroCore / IndustrialMetal? It was a very innovative and productive decade with well-established but also new bands with their roots/influences in the early punk, gothic, industrial or electronic genre. To name a few: Current 93, Sixth Comm/Death in June, Sol Invictus, Coil, Dead Can Dance, Christian Death/Mephisto Walz, Alien Sex Fiend, Project Pitchfork, Das Ich, Deine Lakaien, Anne Clark, Skinny Puppy, Ministry, Neubauten/Nick Cave, X Mal Deutschland, Rammstein, The Cult, Creaming Jesus, Fear Factory, Fields of the Nephilim, The Mission, Red Lorry Yellow Lorry, Chameleons, Secret Discovery, Test Department, Legendary Pink Dots, Type O Negative, 69 Eyes, London After Midnight, Theatre Of Hate, March Violets, New Model Army, Phillip Boa & The Voodooclub, and many others

@minimansonstar Жыл бұрын

That's HOT. 💋

@keiththorpe9571 4 жыл бұрын

In Nico, you can most definitely hear every Siouxsie and the Banshees song ever recorded. Good to see you giving Nico some love.

@ECCENTRICERIC69 3 жыл бұрын

No, you can't! You obviously haven't heard a lot of Siouxsies stuff!

@s3lfFish 3 жыл бұрын

totally, I actually never heard her solo work, I was choked, like "hey its siouxie, but 20 years earlier", siouxie still rock though ;) but so does Nico

@P-Bass_Pete 3 жыл бұрын

I definately hear early Siouxsie songs such as Playground Twist, Staircase mystery, Spellbound, etc.

@kalevala29 3 жыл бұрын

Siouxsie was definitely a fan, in fact she brought Nico on tour, but it became a disaster because of the neo Nazis that would show up at the Banshees' early gigs and the other fans booed her because they didn't know who she was, but Siouxsie was not a copycat. The Banshees were far more diverse.

@senglomein5766 3 жыл бұрын

Nico has a particular sound; which some like and others dont, but still there's no denying that, in respect to the actual craft of _singing,_ she was awful.

@brottarnacke 3 жыл бұрын

"but producer Arnold Maxim believed that they were too stiff. He brought in ribs and chicken and got everybody drunk" - The world needs more producers like that.

@sawtoothmetal Жыл бұрын

The distinction you drew between "people who wear black" and make music that people call goth, and what the elements of actual "goth" sound is was really accurate, and drew me in. You really get what makes goth music goth. And it's true, we did not allow people to call us goth back when; that was considered really uncouth. I've accepted the label now, and I'm so grateful to be a part of that world for all these years: 3 decades. The musical roots sounded really accurate to me, however, I would note that there were many influences outside of the musical sphere which had a big impact, namely, literature and cinema and let's face it, for many of us, Halloween. I would also note that Screamin' Jay Hawkins was wild and amazing, and I certainly listened to him long ago, however, his theatrical nod to death was not original to him. Being from the South and having spent time in New Orleans, he would have been exposed to Mardi Gras, which carries on a long tradition of death references and dark humor, which can be traced to Afro-Brazilian carnival and carnival celebrations of the Caribbean Islands, and before that, the expressive celebrations of the African diaspora, brought over from West Africa. At any rate, thanks for documenting this time in music, you do seem to get it. I'm going to watch more of your videos. I love being goth and appreciate it more as I get older, even as I have expanded my interests in music widely. Take care!

@altos.sentimientos7374 2 жыл бұрын

this was published on my birthday. I´ve always considered myself to be a goth person but i havent been able to dress like other goth people and thus i feel left aside. I love all types of gothic genres, be it music, literature, art, you name it. I guess i will always feel goth inside, it resonates with my inner soul, my core. I hope one day i can get the clothings, the makeup skills and present myself to the public like what i truly am. This being published in my birthday made me think of my identity. I hope i get to know myself better as time goes on...

@xvbiffbangpow8579 2 жыл бұрын

dude goth was old by the 80´s

@hira2357 9 ай бұрын

so what@@xvbiffbangpow8579

@ryans7146 4 жыл бұрын

Seeing the sisters of Mercy in concert when I was 15 years old was one of my fondest memories, then when I turned 18 Daniel Ash from the Bauhuas was spinning the dungeon at The club at Firestone when Dj keoki was headlining, and Daniel was the nicest guy, he let me come hang out on stage with him it was the best birthday ever.

@healinggrounds19 4 жыл бұрын

That would be a damn good birthday!!

@roecocoa 4 жыл бұрын

In between David Bowie and Suicide, I got an ad for a doc about Blind Melon. The seconds before I realized that it *was* an ad, and that "No Rain" was *not* being presented as a watershed moment in the history of goth music, shook me to my core.

@keirfarnum6811 2 жыл бұрын

I hate that when an ad pops up and you don’t realize it’s an ad because it’s remotely related to the subject of the video; and you don’t realize it’s not part of the video for a few moments, and you’re like, “WTF?!” And THEN you realize it’s an ad.

@angieormiston8028 Ай бұрын

Blind melon is great. Sucks people don’t know it’s not just “the bee 🐝 song”.

@robertwrightson6455 2 жыл бұрын

Now this is a great documentary, good stable commentary, great clips we haven't seen before and great editing.

@reddye2725 2 жыл бұрын

I was never one to dress the part but I was super into this music in my youth. You did a great job. Being from Southern California I can tell you bands like Kommunity FK, TSOL, & Christian Death made a huge impact. Rikk Agnew’s sound was powerful & haunting. Only Theater of Pain is one of the best “Goth” albums ever recorded IMO.

@solinvictus39 Жыл бұрын

I agree. Bauhaus or the Cure didn't have the same impact on me as the first Christian Death album. When I first heard it in the late 1980s I was blown away by its darkness and psychedelic feel. Nothing was like it then or afterwards.

@tunguskalumberjack9987 Жыл бұрын

Agreed- Only Theater Of Pain is excellent, a bona fide “Cobweb Classic”, as me and my ex-gf in the ’90s would have called it.

@victoriarotter Жыл бұрын

Kommunity FK definitely! 💜😻🖤

@gabrielhaas Жыл бұрын

Agreed. I was obsessed with all things Rozz after discovering OTOP and then hearing Catastrophe Ballet. I bought all of the Premature Ejaculation and Shadow Project stuff too, even though it wasn't nearly as good as CD. Kommunity FK was awesome and London After Midnight in the beginning. Screams For Tina's 1st album....there was a lot of good stuff coming out at that time.

@13thcentury Жыл бұрын

I was a full goth. Long velvet coat, frilly black shirts. Black jeans. Flaming long red hair and black eye liner. I'm a guy. Best years of my life.

@csr9183 4 жыл бұрын

I've had that damn beat from Bela Lugosi's Dead stuck in my head since I first heard it in 1993.

@Mardyfella 4 жыл бұрын

Nice! First band I ever saw. Supporting Magazine at Northampton Town Hall 1980.

@ltraina3353 4 жыл бұрын

csr I will get that song stuck in my brain for days about twice a year for some reason, glad it’s not just me

@keirfarnum6811 4 жыл бұрын

csr It’s been stuck in my brain since 1985.

@starrrzzz2905 3 жыл бұрын

Same.

@GothDarknessRadio 3 жыл бұрын

It's your theme song.

@edju9968 4 жыл бұрын

There are. a lot of us who never looked like the referenced "all dressed in black" but were/are drawn to and love the music.

@jwinchester1320 4 жыл бұрын

edju99 I’m sorry but that is not allowed sir 😂

@djdrack4681 4 жыл бұрын

Why always wear black when the oppressive darkness of the universe is always about you? It is just masked by a light that turns on for 12-16hrs/day. X)

@andreasleonlandgren3092 4 жыл бұрын

Yep.

@davidcreegan952 4 жыл бұрын

In 1988 it was explained to me by an almost 40 year old from the California side of the scene as we were lamenting the death of the world.. Grieving for the misery and hate and greed. The minor chords and dark melodies only reflect how we felt already. For the same reason really that Johnny Cash said he wore black. If someone you deeply respected or loved died... it would be disrespectful to show up in Jean's and sneakers or pastels.

@nocturnal101ravenous6 4 жыл бұрын

Well frankly as he mentioned early on, Goth and Goth Music are 2 separate actual things Goth Music is a weird mix of styles as he goes through how it formed its sound. Goth itself is more defined by Goethe and I would probably say it would bore most of the crowd and people that would call themselves "Modern Goth" as usually their music is more classic or slight new age in nature with some modern tones and touches, Bat for Lashes Two Suns album is probably about 1 of a few both sets of Goth crowd will agree aligns with the parameters.

@davidstanton1261 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, very well done! When I saw early clips of the Cramps and the Birthday Party, I knew someone (you) was finally on the right track: also the VU and Nico references were outstanding! P.S Kids don't neglect the Stooges, Death Trip etc is seminal!!

@danedeandrade 2 жыл бұрын

thank you for the great doc, loved every minute of it! it’s hard to find quality contents likes this these days…

@tearsforthedying 4 жыл бұрын

Only 15 minutes in and they are hitting all the right notes. Happy to hear proto gothic bands/artists like Screamin' Jay, Nico, Velvets, Doors and others paid their respects.

@1m2a3t4t5 4 жыл бұрын

Tears for the Dying About damn time someone credited Jim Morrison for the fact that nearly every band in the 80s crooned their music.

@billyboy6028 4 жыл бұрын

@@1m2a3t4t5 The Doors made a huge impact in the 80's, it was like 67' all over again. Oops showing my age again.

@napalmstriker5173 4 жыл бұрын

They forgot about Deathrock and Rozz William's Christian Death influence on goth music!! What a shame

@pheresy1367 4 жыл бұрын

@@billyboy6028 Show that age!!! Loud and proud... heh heh

@sr0917 4 жыл бұрын

@@napalmstriker5173 Yes. I was waiting for at least one Christian Death lineup. Valor was pretty dark (Catastrophe Ballet). Visage's Fade to Grey had a little darkness to it as well although they leaned more synth.

@jonsey3645 3 жыл бұрын

I am 60 and am ashamed to admit that I thought that this sort of feeling in music was passe. Thank God I am just out of the loop. Great bands, great documentary and great power in this underappreciated style of expression. Thanks.

@jonadams8841 Жыл бұрын

I'm 67, and we live in the most marvelous time in the history of music. Yeah, Gregorian chants and "classical" music are great, but they're such a small part of what we have now.

@charlottesometimes2020 Жыл бұрын

Best comprehensive overview of the origins of goth music I’ve ever heard. Bravo. 💕

@PK-gi2qh 2 жыл бұрын

Man, this is so well done. So thorough! So be shown in a college music theory class. Very enjoyable.

@Hunk3yMunk3y 4 жыл бұрын

You mention how the cure transitioned to goth on "pornography". I would however argue that the full transition began on their album "Faith", with its melancholic lyrics, haunting spacey synth, and bare bones instrumentation. Also to address the 17 seconds comments, It has some gothic undertones, but in general mostly has a post punk sound IMO. (I love all cure albums (Gothic or not), except Wild Mood Swings)

@ClockwiseCat 3 жыл бұрын

And then they quickly transitioned OUT of goth with psychedelic The Top, and never looked back.

@JCLauzontv 3 жыл бұрын

The Cure had never really pigeon-holed themselves into any particular genre. Genres and sub genres came about much later as labels tried to cash in whatever was hot. The Cure experimented with different genres, their “ studio sound” is when I lost touch with them... They became very radio friendly...

@ClockwiseCat 3 жыл бұрын

@@JCLauzontv But that is also pigeonholing them, because in reality while they have made some radio-friendly songs, among those songs on the albums are many non-radio friendly songs, and they have kept reinventing themselves. You really cannot say that many songs on, say, Disintegration are that radio-friendly. They had four huge singles from it, but the rest - the bulk of the album, are NOT radio-friendly. That's the beauty of the Cure, is that they do pop, but they also do a ton of non-pop, and even the pop they create is created on their own terms, and not fitting into tidy definitions of what pop should be. A song like Pictures of You with its extended intro and icily melancholic undertones is as unorthodox a pop song as it can be, and yet it was hugely successful. Friday I'm in Love is probably their most blatant pop song, but on Wish, the album it appears on, there are tons of songs that defy the pop norm. I really don't think you are giving enough credit to the Cure - they are the least pigeonhole-friendly group around, to this day. They made a punishingly bleak album like Pornography, then turned around a made an off-kilter EP (Japanese Whispers), then dark psych-pop The Top, and on and on...and started out very minimalistic, practically inventing post-punk...I mean, The Cure are the most inventive popular band in the world!

@JCLauzontv 3 жыл бұрын

@@ClockwiseCat While you’ve outlined some great points, I couldn’t help but realize that my falling out of love with The Cure had more to do with my transition from teenage boy to a young man. No longer was I enthralled by legendary bassist Simon Gallup’s baselines. The brooding sounds of early-Cure was what I needed. I became jaded, darker…. they got brighter and poppier…. What had happened to the young boys from that part of Britain who, earlier in their careers, played those haunting melodies? I missed those guys...

@ClockwiseCat 3 жыл бұрын

@@JCLauzontv Did you not listen to anything past Faith? They have made a TON of dark music. Hello - Bloodflowers? That was 2000. And don't let the sheen of their higher selling albums like Head on the Door, Kiss Me, or Wish fool you - there is plenty of haunting darkness to be found on those albums. That said, nothing really can top Faith... possibly the greatest album in all of history.

@gorimbaud 4 жыл бұрын

When you start a video on goth history with Screamin' Jay Hawkins, you're doing it right.

@veegar9265 4 жыл бұрын

I duno, THAT guy looked pretty corny!

@ianfindly3257 4 жыл бұрын

@@veegar9265 Yeah, but he probably was edgy for the 1950s. And I imagine you wouldn't have Alice Cooper or The Cramps without him.

@gorimbaud 4 жыл бұрын

@@veegar9265 it's wild that you say that like camp isn't a vital component in goth

@jangomoonstomp 4 жыл бұрын

Dead right, then Screaming Lord Sutch totally influenced the Damned etc in the UK, indisputable 😀

@gorimbaud 4 жыл бұрын

@AJtheory it's not about covers, and goth didn't just burst forth fully formed from peter murphy's forehead, but sjh was like a prototype. he played with the sinister and macabre in a way that had an obvious influence.

@single-shot-video Ай бұрын

Thanks for a great video. Brought back great memories of when I used to sneak my Video gear into venues and record bands in the late '70s and early 80's including bands like Boys Next Door/Birthday Party, the Cramps, Bauhaus, Mission, the Sisters, Southern Death Cult, Gun Club, Bunneymen, Cure, early New Order etc. Couldn't get away with it nowadays. It was a great era that definitely influenced my music taste for the remainder of my life. Such a privilege to have seen these bands.

@synthzz9178 Жыл бұрын

My first musical obsessions were synthpop and goth or as we used to call it in italy : "dark". Then came the internet and i started exploring many genres but soon i got back to my roots and i just cant stop exploring the underground postpunk and industrial scenes of the different countries... to quote my favourite band, i cant escape myself.

@felichagomez 3 жыл бұрын

I feel like The Chameleons should absolutely be in this video as well. They're one of my favorites; the albums sound like they were made today. Incredible musicians.

@KissaLintu Жыл бұрын

They’re one of the most underrated goth gems.

@13thcentury Жыл бұрын

And Magazine.

@1m2a3t4t5 8 ай бұрын

theyre goth? Thought that was just new wave

@rave5696 8 ай бұрын

Yes the chameleons!!! Nobody talks about them enough, theyre such a great band

@gigiingervaldt44 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for giving credit to Screaming Jay. Black Musicians who blaze the trail rarely get credit for their contributions to Goth culture.💖

@siouxsansue7690 4 жыл бұрын

Gigi Ingervaldt I had the pleasure of booking Screaming Jay at a Punk/ alt. Goth club in Deep Ellum Dallas Tx. The dark , mystical mood he set when singing,”I put a Spell on You “ , was as intense as the videos I had seen of his performances when he was at his heights.

@eliagamiz1320 3 жыл бұрын

Goth is black ✊

@cosmicbaggy 3 жыл бұрын

Goth funk is also a thing. All pop music comes from the blues...

@toshiyaar7885 3 жыл бұрын

I thought it was an awesome fun fact 🙂

@tdsims1963 3 жыл бұрын

Alice Cooper, you owe Hawkins your career, you know that, right?

@darreneffle4891 2 жыл бұрын

Born in 69 i was introduced to early "goth" by an older sister.im 52 yrs old now still listen to these bands daily,.my sister is gone but i keep the flame burning for her , me , and the one goth that doesn't know they are goth..

@brentwillis260 2 жыл бұрын

Good list it covers most things. Although I would go further back and add Bach's Toccata and Fugue as a starting point. For more modern influences I would add Can and Neu as influences on the first wave of goth/post-punk bunds for their bass and drum-led rhythmic push. Also Pere Ubu (especially their 1975 debut single 30 seconds over Tokyo / Heart of darkness) was a big influence on a lot of first wave goth bands. Although Magazine are more post-punk their first two albums, especially Second Hand Daylight is gothic as.

@johnbehan1526 2 жыл бұрын

Krautrock does not get it's due around here. There is a straight line between "Vitamin C", Eno and Bauhaus. Still, Suicide get their due, which was a nice surprise.

@davidantolinezuribe2413 4 жыл бұрын

We all love Lou Reed and Nico; but as far as I know, the man behind the raw-disruption in the Velvet Underground's debut was John Cale. Even further in their next album, White Heat White Light you can see how all the drowning distortion came from his guitars, violin and keyboards. After he left the band, Velvet Underground turned into a different way under the genius of Reed, though VU was more conventional. Cale, on the other hand, produced the first Stooge's album and played a part on the 10-minute song "We will fall", a quite hypnotic and scary tune. A great video abouth subtles evolutions in many rock bands and the birth of Goth

@sampayne369 3 жыл бұрын

i didn’t even know the john cale mix was a thing till i read this comment, i’m going to go buy that record now

@ForARide 3 жыл бұрын

Not only does he play a part on We Will Fall, but more importantly he plays that repetitive riff of sleighbelles and piano on I Wanna Be Your Dog, a motiv so many other artists and bands have covered since.

@botoxpug7802 2 жыл бұрын

Viola, not violin. And Cale played very little, if any, guitar at all back then. Though he did have a very large influence on tunings and irreplaceable chaos in their music.

@joaooliveira4608 3 жыл бұрын

I get so many chills when he started to talk about Nico. Marble Index is one of my favorite's favorite. This album sounds so fucking epic.

@rumenok 3 жыл бұрын

It's hard to describe how horrific marvelous it is...like prehuman age music or some parallel universe wanderings a feeling of absolute unaware infinity, unknown depths, but despite of eerie sounding it's strangely comfortable and chill, state of mind which creates some metaphisic images of past or struggling of medieval settlers...Nico is pure gothic herself - Cologne-born speaks a lot, the oldest and highest gothic church located in Cologne, all brutall stone punishing and canonade of bombs at second world war time...strongely sure with that background + using heavy drugs as result - opened gates collective intelligence of her ancestors, also meeting soul brother John Cale with his pure feeling of nature of sound and phenomenal ethnic and folk music knowlege, and music instruments skills, fundamental work without any doubt

@rumenok 3 жыл бұрын

As I already said, Niko is pure goth, even not trying, she did not copy anyone and was at odds with the mainstream, she even liked to be an outsider to some extent, it is not for nothing that one of the most famous sayings about Nico is - she was famous, but not popular

@purplejanew 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely spot on and accurate and presented so perfectly! Thank you very much and I will add this to my Playlist of Must Watch Videos for any baby bats to watch and take note!

@QuabmasM 2 жыл бұрын

I was just discovering how punk in the 80s Japanese rock scene gave birth to early 90s visual kei scene(aka visual style scene where they wear the goth & glam gimmick costumes etc) that then & since has mostly been various brands of goth rock especially w/ neo classical elements inspired from music from the baroque era(w/ the harpsichords etc). A band named Buck Tick in particular clearly displays through their whole catalog the various genre elements of their many inspired children bands. It was odd noticing the elements I thought were unique to bands xyz being used album after album in the decade before the bands existed. I was noticing how much punk elements were in the earlier songs as well but after watching this video it completely makes sense in a "duh" sort of way. The epitome of sonically gothic music for me w/ my limited exposure would be things such as the first 2 Batman soundtracks by Danny Elfman, the first Candyman soundtrack, & about 80% of the songs by 90s visual kei band Malice Mizer & the many similar acts that follow their blueprint. I still have trouble dividing industrial from goth. A very industrial sounding goth group from Japan would be Velvet Eden. I have a hard time crediting rock bands as goth simply for having SOME goth elements though certain types of metal marry into goth quite naturally. Bands like MCR Id NEVER put in the goth category though theyre surely blood related so to speak...theyre clearly more EMO than goth despite they themselves not liking that association w/ that label despite clearly visually being more so that than anything else, pop punk elements w/ teenage angst lyrics & all. I find the term Shock Rock to be very relevant in better explaining why Glam Rock era had so many acts willing to flirt w/ any style that provokes an intrigued response & goes well w/ face paint & costumes....gothic lyrics & melodies were the perfect flirt for that goal lol.

@nicholasromig5506 4 жыл бұрын

as one of your big gothy fans I was so eager to watch this, and you nailed it. great work as always.

@mv7853 4 жыл бұрын

Nicholas Romig how can you say that when he didn’t even mention 45 grave

@nicholasromig5506 4 жыл бұрын

@@mv7853 I mean, there are literally thousands of goth bands. he didn't mention much LA deathrock stuff at all. no 45 Grave, no TSOL, no Christian Death. it's fine.

@napalmstriker5173 4 жыл бұрын

@@nicholasromig5506 it's not fine. Deathrock genre and Rozz William's Christian Death made huge impact on the goth culture more than the emo poser band than my Chemical Romance. Rozz William's needs to be credited more over a lame emo band

@nicholasromig5506 4 жыл бұрын

@@napalmstriker5173 oh jesus christ relax.

@kimberlys655 4 жыл бұрын

I was looking for the Deathrock term in the comments. When I was an eighties Horrorpunk, they called themselves Deathrockers, and when the term Goth came out, it almost seemed derogatory, like "oh my gothic"and the so-called Goths being overly dramatic at the time.

@JadeSun7 4 жыл бұрын

I don't have much investment in Goth, but damn if I don't love finding out the history and influences of artistic mediums and their various genres. Music is so rich in this history of borrowed influences and I love anyone who can break it down for me, an outsider peering in, hoping to catch a glimpse of it's pure essence, or whatever it is that lovers of the genre find so fascinating. Thank you.

@teleavision8819 3 жыл бұрын

You lost me at "I don't have much investment in Goth"

@richardfluck2172 Жыл бұрын

I guess they can't go through every artist but I think that Fields of the Nephilim somehow get overlooked in these discussions, not sure why, but underrated imo

@davetheimpaler204 Жыл бұрын

A great band but many seem to consider them an also-ran compared to Sisters Of Mercy. I like Fields Of The Nephilim a lot more than Sisters Of Mercy.

@HitlerGaymes123 6 ай бұрын

@@davetheimpaler204 Psychodelic Furs did more to goth than the formulaic steorotipes of sisters mercy, they inspired The Cure P0rnography

@deadseamonster Жыл бұрын

Great video man. I appreciate how much work went into this.

@ZeetZoot 4 жыл бұрын

I love these ‘before (blank)’ videos

@ZeetZoot 4 жыл бұрын

Also first I guess

@eneswk 4 жыл бұрын

I like how you're not afraid to mention bands (MCR, AFI, any other "modern" bands) when is needed, even tho we all know some people will cry about it. You know your shit. I love this channel.

@insomniacbritgaming1632 2 жыл бұрын

If you listen to modern Goth, AFI, MCR and others don't even come close to Goth... oh they're Emo by the way lol

@eneswk 2 жыл бұрын

@@insomniacbritgaming1632 I don’t think those bands are goth, but I don’t think they’re emo either, that’s why I liked that he mentioned them, and I haven’t watched this in a while but I think I remember he named them more in reference to their “aesthetic”, you can see some goth influence in that, like they had their own take on it. So, as I said, I liked that he could see that, in no way those band were some kind of goth renaissance or anything like that.

@the_nautillus9176 2 жыл бұрын

The so called "old rockers" are a bunch of f*cking p*ssies (had to censor it there as KZfaq is censoring freedom of speech. Shame on them.)

@screwtapee 2 жыл бұрын

@@insomniacbritgaming1632 if you think MCR are emo you're wrong. They're more goth than emo

@insomniacbritgaming1632 2 жыл бұрын

@@screwtapee not even close to Goth 😂🤣 Billie Eilish is closer to Goth than MCR lol you couldn't name 5 Goth bands if you tried MCR are Emo lol

@nazanozz Жыл бұрын

I love this channel what a quality !!!! Thanks a lot 🖤🖤🖤

@TJBall-go3gv 2 жыл бұрын

I was born in 82, but the the doors really got in my head with the Lost Boys sound track. I was introduced to Concrete Blonde,and Type O Negative album bloody kisses. NIN,and Danzig how the gods kill. I always was attracted to the more macabre, then Depeshmode. So many more I could mention but thanks to all these bands!

@XavierBonapart Жыл бұрын

Same! 82

@duantorruellas716 4 жыл бұрын

Echo and the bunnymen , cocteau twins , dead can dance , sex gang children and clan of xymox Were also bands that were definatly loved and respected by the goth community as well around the early 80s. I'm very grateful for the darkwave bands that are turning out some great music , Bands from other countries, like she past away and double echo . And like all true goths , when I hear these tracks like the swans , love will tear us apart again , as dark as it is tracks like this always make me happy. Lots of post punk and even those who might not be considered punk or goth was adopted by goths . Bands like Johnny thunders and nick cave , even though I dont know any punks then or now who dont like those two I just named lol. And dont forget batcave. Thank you for your work on the early origins and influences of goth.

@ragnar010162 4 жыл бұрын

Don't forget Bleib Modern from Germany and Mayflower Madame from Norway

@andchat6241 4 жыл бұрын

Was 'the Batcave ' the 'beginning of the end ?' or 'the end of the beginning?'

@rachealmurphy6715 3 жыл бұрын

I had an Echo and the Bunnymen jacket. My sister borrowed it and now it's gone

@13thcentury Жыл бұрын

Skeletal Family. Birthday Party. Magazine. Sex Gang Children. Alien Sex Fiend. On every playlist.

@JDsHouseofHobbies 4 жыл бұрын

I had an interesting conversation with a goth friend once, on whether Johnny Cash was goth. Besides always being dressed in black, a lot of his songs have a dark subject matter.

@MonkyMonk729 4 жыл бұрын

That's a good question. He certainly had some goth like qualities way before goth was a thing. His sound maybe not so much, but just his life was so dark and filled with so much pain and hence, as you mentioned, the subject matter of a lot of his songs is very, very dark... and probably in a more real way than a lot of the fiction-inspired darkness of the genre. On the surface, it would seem that nothing is further from goth than "country"... but had Johnny Cash not preceded most of the early predecessors and influences of goth, perhaps his sound would have been pulled in that direction. His cover of NIN's hurt, in his later years no less, is compelling evidence that he was almost certainly not averse to the sound of the goth genre. I mean, he really "got" that song.

@JDsHouseofHobbies 4 жыл бұрын

@@MonkyMonk729 Well said.

@PassiveNights 4 жыл бұрын

MonkyMonk729 I’ve been listening to a ton of classic country and so much of it is very depressing

@dmfeelings 4 жыл бұрын

@@PassiveNights Early Dolly Parton with Porter Waggoner included

@Wglass90 4 жыл бұрын

@@JDsHouseofHobbies Cash has been labeled many times the sound of "Southern Gothic" which is actually a sub-genre of Gothic Literature that centers around the Darkness of the south. Basically, the music you'd imagine would be featured in a 'dark western'. Alternative band Depeche Mode also used this aesthetic in the video "Personal Jesus". As someone who lives and grew up in the south, there's a lot of Goths here I know that are fans of it. Other musical artists I would recommend that have been branded under the genre are Mark Collie and Hank Williams III.

@mtbd215 2 жыл бұрын

wow.. what an amazing video. truly riveting. i put it on at random just to listen to as background, and i ended up watching it in entirety with my eyes glued to the screen. you just earned yourself a new sub a possible future patron

@nisaba5752 Жыл бұрын

I have no idea how this ended up in my feed,but I'm super-grateful. Excellent video,the song brought me back to when I was a young teen and getting into music :)

@danielfreeman8725 4 жыл бұрын

damn, you just consistently post videos i'm not only interested in, but tell a great story and are well put together. Even when i know a lot about the subject, i still find these fantastic, and there are still some things to be learned.

@mistersurrealist 4 жыл бұрын

Nico was my guide through my teens and early twenties. Her albums are a religious experience.

@mayari6071 2 жыл бұрын

she was also racist…

@stephenpmurphy591 Жыл бұрын

@@mayari6071 I'm curious please elaborate on her racism & how I can validate your claims. Thank you.

@frankfacts6207 Жыл бұрын

@@mayari6071 no she wasn't

@demonheadxx4410 Жыл бұрын

Elaborate?

@elliottsmithlover199 Жыл бұрын

@@stephenpmurphy591 she hit a black women in the face with a beer bottle which blinded the woman, and also said “i hate [n words]”

@mondozilla69 2 жыл бұрын

The Damned's Dave Vanian should have been given bigger credence here. Not only did he have the vampire look back in 1976, but the band's 1977 song Fan Club is also really proto-gothic, while the songs Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde and 13th Floor Vendetta on The Black Album are pure goth. Of course, by The band's 1985 album Phantasmagoria the bats were really outta the belfry.

@hollyh1969 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent information on an interesting topic. It's neat to hear these again.

@sadgirlthequeen 4 жыл бұрын

I’m goth, but you taught me something new. I never really thought about what came before bands like 45 Grave, Bauhaus and Siouxsie. Thank you 😊

@leonardodecapitated8390 4 жыл бұрын

Another underrated band that influenced the early goth sound I never see mentioned is Magazine The Light Pours Out of Me (1978) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/opqTkqmemqvRdJs.html

@luismarioguerrerosanchez4747 3 жыл бұрын

Well, Magazine guitarrist John McGeoch later joined Siouxsie and the Banshees.

@creepyskulldini581 3 жыл бұрын

Well, if your going to talk about Alice Cooper and Goth then you should mention the song Steven. Now THAT is Alice's ULTIMATE Goth song!

@LycanWitcher 4 жыл бұрын

This video is so sad on KZfaq.. can tell it wants to so desperately want to play longer samples of each song but damn KZfaq's strict demonetization garbage.. Seriously need to upload this video elsewhere where it can have room to breathe and share longer samples.

@timstich1052 4 жыл бұрын

You can find a lot of the songs in their full versions.

@LycanWitcher 4 жыл бұрын

@@timstich1052 no shit Sherlock.

@baddieMario77 4 жыл бұрын

Raven they dont really need to show longer samples. If you wanna hear more of the songs then go listen to them

@TracyD2 4 жыл бұрын

I hear what you are saying.

@MrAgmoore 4 жыл бұрын

Painful to watch tbh.

@great567 Жыл бұрын

This is amazing! Learned so much from these. Would be cool to get a playlist!

@salsabil44 2 жыл бұрын

Great video! A trip through my musical journey, with all my favourite bands.

@bwenjones670 3 жыл бұрын

When I see a title such as this with a photo of Nico, I think these people know their stuff. Great job. R.I.P. Nico Päffgen x

@user-wl2xl5hm7k 4 жыл бұрын

Siouxsie & the Banshees are interesting in how great they were despite how frequently the guitarist changed.

@waswasere4299 4 жыл бұрын

Budgie - mental drum patterns. Severin - driving bass. Siouxsie - er, being Siouxsie. The guitarists were the icing!

@joeyroy7864 4 жыл бұрын

I actually prefer her vvork in the creatures, the atmospherics there are magical.

@youjoker9647 4 жыл бұрын

@dread true Mike Leander doing double drums as far back as 1970.Listen to Gary Glitter :thumping drums and loops and effects on the drums

@wp6007 4 жыл бұрын

It took them a while to learn how to write a song tho

@marthavmuffin Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the great piece; Took me back to the early days of seeing Roxie Music, Iggy, Siousxie, The Cure and SIsters of Mercy in small venues.

@SaschaLeib 10 ай бұрын

Because most people will just look at it as an oddity mentioned in the video, let me just state that Nico's "The Marble Index" is still the most amazing, frightening, beautiful and mesmerizing album in my - rather vast - collection. It is not "easy listening", and it can be described as "nightmare-inducing" when listened to in the dark, but it is in my top-5 of best albums ever recorded. You should definitely listen to it!

@maximilianogabriel9982 9 ай бұрын

Avant Garde .

@psychoshamrock 4 жыл бұрын

Clan of Xymox needs a mention. Other than that, thank you for Nico. No one mentions her, ever. Good job.

@blubfishuwaaa 2 жыл бұрын

clan of xymox came after goth, more specifically darkwave

@coldkissofsteel 3 ай бұрын

@@blubfishuwaaa I'd still consider darkwave, as part of the goth genre. And CoX started in 1981 so they were smack dab in the middle of the rise of goth. If Suicide is going to be thrown into the goth soup so should Clan of Xymox.

@pryingeyes1551 4 жыл бұрын

Speaking of the Cure and Siouxsie and the Banshees' connection, I'd like to mention the project The Glove, between Robert Smith and Steven Severin of Siouxsie.

@imperatorfuriosa7061 3 жыл бұрын

Ah! Yes! The "Fat Bob" days!

@sideswipe1261 3 жыл бұрын

I first heard the Glove album in 1993 as a high school freshman, courtesy of a new friend in a new, surreal school, and fell in love with it! My favorite track is the entrancing “Orgy”, but really every track is phenomenal! Thanks for mentioning them! As a one-off side project recorded by 2 drugged-out crazies watching Blue movies in the dead of night, it’s so easy to miss if you don’t know to look for it! And Smith & Sebring made such a killer super-duo! “Mr. Alphabet Says” is another utterly unique song that only could have been born by those two, in those circumstances and at that specific time. Incredible! Cheers!

@sylph8005 3 жыл бұрын

I'll take it one step further: Smith was in the Banshees for a time.

@Mdowdle1969 2 жыл бұрын

Funeral party!! My favourite on that album

@apertureinfog 2 жыл бұрын

Really well done & thorough. Filled in a lot of gaps for me

@stevebhoward3425 Жыл бұрын

These are all fantastic! Great work.

@20thcenturyfoxyoutube 4 жыл бұрын

"he brought in ribs and chicken and got everyone drunk... and we came out with this weird version. i dont even remember making the record." love that. "the end" always makes me long for another mission. oh yes, that "suicide (band) - frankie teardrop" is horrifying. it's sort of true. i listened to it once and couldn't listen to it again.

@phant0mdummy 4 жыл бұрын

Imagine how much longer and more informative this video would be if this dude could play, literally, more than 3 second clips of each song... because of CORPORATE KZfaq.... youtube must be goth, because it's obsessed with its own deaths - both spiritually and physically.

@RioRav 3 жыл бұрын

true, but its also not bad to just make a playlist and go listen to the full songs in your own time

@mikesaga4297 2 жыл бұрын

This has been awesome! Thank you!

@jchow5966 Жыл бұрын

This channel has so many fascinating & sell made episodes. This one is especiallt interesting!!! 💟

@kicknchickn9794 4 жыл бұрын

Hearing The Doors - The End for the first time, helped me have a psychedelic experience with the help of reefer, no acid.. but the song ultimately enhanced my high and it tripped me out. I remember asking my brother if he had laced the weed. That night i knew Jim Morrison was more than an artist

@rachealmurphy6715 3 жыл бұрын

That album is amazing. I smile a joint and put on my ear phones and I'm taken to another place

@MeMyselfandBri 4 жыл бұрын

This is easily one of my favourite Music channels on KZfaq. Someone who gives clear and detailed information about the origins and beginnings of the subject they’re talking about. Truly great in depth analysis of everything broken down into an insightful and informative manner. The same is in your Punk and Fugazi videos (which are also excellent) applaud you for all your hard work. Best of all, no long drawn out intros or annoying editing or theme music, just straight to the point and precise.

@Unhacker Жыл бұрын

This was really excellent, and very well researched! It's almost impossible to disagree with the lineage you lay out. Almost everyone who would call themselves Goth owns or has owned almost every album you named. :) I saw Screaming Jay Hawkins at Raji's in Hollywood circa 1985, I had no idea (pre internet) wtf was going on when this dude came out of a coffin with bones through his nose, he really was a showman. I do think Cocteau Twins deserve a little more mention, though as you noted they're sorta "downstream" of Siouxse.

@melissasanford2051 Жыл бұрын

Being the only person in my High School with a tattoo and listened to the Cure was rough but I wouldn’t change it for the world! I’m sure glad I moved away from ND while still a teenager and made it to Seattle during the rise of Grunge….GOOD TIMES!!!❤✨🌈

@akmediascope Жыл бұрын

Isn't it amazing to see the connections of all the genres and their evolution! By listening to my daughter's music I discovered so much. We are in Alaska, Avery red state, so I understand how hard it is for young people to find a positive path and be a distinct individual

@lehliladevandria5712 4 жыл бұрын

One common theme I noticed with SATB and Bauhaus is the influence of middle eastern classical music.

@GaylordBonnafous 4 жыл бұрын

A lot of these bands, like the Banshees, the Cure or the Mission used a lot Eastern or Spanish scales instead of the usual blues scales, just like some 60's psychedelic or surf rock songs (for example "White Rabbit").

@saintnicole3209 4 жыл бұрын

It’s also really prevalent in Peter Murphey’s solo work. Makes sense since his wife is the choreographer of the Turkish national dance troupe

@robertdraper5782 4 жыл бұрын

@@GaylordBonnafous You missed The Sisters of Mercy

@GaylordBonnafous 4 жыл бұрын

@@robertdraper5782 Nope, I didn't.

@BeefyHits 4 жыл бұрын

Good job. I'm more into Industrial than Goth, and only recently started getting into Goth. You should do one on the origins of Industrial. How its origins music concrete draws from Futurist, and Dada art movements.

@zoharwolfson8914 4 жыл бұрын

TheyTookOurJobz yes!!!!!!

@KamenSentaiMetalHero 4 жыл бұрын

That was one of the genres I suggested he do in another comment.

@DiogenesOfCa 4 жыл бұрын

Look up Einstürzende Neubauten, theses guys are the fathers of industrial.

@queerchoreography54 4 жыл бұрын

1981menso wrong. You could say Throbbing Gristle is the father unless there’s another before them. I’ll leave it open

@DiogenesOfCa 4 жыл бұрын

@@queerchoreography54 To me EN took industrial to a new level and should be included as a major influences. You sir have a good day.

@EStephens 3 жыл бұрын

This is a great video. Thank you!

@MoonRegolith 2 жыл бұрын

This video really touched me. I feel like I understand now those things that came before the soundtrack of my own youth. Siouxsie and the Banshees was one I was entirely unaware of. I'm also glad you went so far back in time.

@MickPsyphon 4 жыл бұрын

As someone who has followed goth bands, since the 1970's (before the term 'goth rock' came to be), I genuinely appreciate what this video brings to the table. So many memories were stirred; and some holes were plugged from just prior to my earliest interest in music. Very well done! 😋👍