Before 1989: How Manchester Became MADchester

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In November 1989, two bands from Manchester appeared together on Top of the Pops and it changed indie music forever. The Madchester sound was the unity of jangly guitars and thumping dance music: big, psychedelic, even funky and a perfect companion to taking Ecstasy. Artists like The Stone Roses, Happy Mondays, Inspiral Carpets, A Guy Called Gerald, 808 State and The Charlatans would bridge this formerly insurmountable musical gap.
It is the story of punk and disco colliding, how Manchester became for a brief moment the centre of the musical universe, and why Bez is one of the most important figures in British music. This is Before 1989: How Manchester Became Madchester.
#madchester #indiemusic #musicdocumentary
Additional Writing & Fact-checking by Serenity Autumn.
00:00 Introduction
00:51 The Pre-History of Jangle & Funk
05:00 Punk's Influence on Manchester
10:17 When Punk Met Funk
13:02 Orange Juice & Postcard Records
15:44 New Order & The Haçienda
18:08 The Phenomenon of The Smiths
20:27 C86: The Cassette That Changed Indie
22:52 Chicago House & Acid House
29:44 Big Audio Dynamite & The Fall
31:54 Happy Mondays
35:29 Inspiral Carpets
37:20 The Stone Roses
40:14 808 State
41:48 Primal Scream & Andrew Weatherall
44:06 Happy Mondays & The Stone Roses on Top of the Pops
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The Last Party: Britpop, Blair and the Demise of English Rock by John Harris, 2004, Harper Perennial
The Madchester Scene by Richard Luck, 2002, Pocket Essentials
The North Will Rise Again: Manchester Music City 1976-1996 by John Robb, 2010, Aurum Press Ltd
24 Hour Party People by Tony Wilson, 2002, Factory
Wrote for Luck: Selected Lyrics by Shaun Ryder, 2019 Faber & Faber
The Hacienda How to Not Run a Club by Peter Hook, 2010, Simon & Schuster
How Soon is Now?: The Madmen and Mavericks who made Independent Music 1975-2005 by Richard King, 2017, Faber & Faber
England's Dreaming by Jon Savage, 1991, Faber & Faber
Pump Up The Volume - A History of House Music (2001) dir. Carl Hindmarch ( • Pump Up The Volume - A... )
"Rave On: A Madchester Retrospective" Ryan Davey, Ceremony Music Canada, date unknown
"Graham Massey Talks: 808 State, Pacific And Revisiting The Past" The Ransom Note, date unknown
"Inspiral Carpets: Surface Tensions" Bob Stanley, Melody Maker, May 1989
"Mancunian candidates" Nick Kent, The Face, Jan 1990
"The Fall Is Heading for a Rise, With a New Album" Alex Ross, The New York Times, Aug 1993
"A Guy Called Gerald: I Raved With a Zombie" Stuart Aitken, Mojo Magazine, May 2005
"Madchester remembered: 'There was amazing creative energy at the time'" Luke Bainbridge, The Observer, Apr 2012
"10 Things You Never Knew About… The Stone Roses" Clash Magazine, Feb 2012
"C86: The myths about the NME's indie cassette debunked" Michael Hann, The Guardian, Mar 2014
"Classic Tracks: 808 State 'Pacific State'" Richard Buskin, Apr 2014
"The Smiths’ 30 best songs" Various, Uncut Magazine, Feb 2015
"Inspiral Carpets: Life, the Expanded Edition." Gordon Moakes, Medium, Apr 2015
"From Voodoo Ray to Infinity and beyond - the story of the UK's biggest rave anthems" Sam Richards, The Guardian, Sep 2015
"Orange Juice and Edwyn Collins - 10 of the best" Malcolm Jack, The Guardian, Jul 2016
"How M/A/R/R/S’ ‘Pump Up the Volume’ Became Dance Music’s First Pop Hit" Michaelangelo Matos, Rolling Stone, Jul 2016
"Pills, thrill and maracas … Bez and the great dancing mascots of pop explain their craft" Chris Salmon, The Guardian, Jan 2017
"The Story of A Guy Called Gerald’s “Voodoo Ray”" Matt Anniss, Red Bull Music Academy, Feb 2017
"Northern soul - 10 of the best" Simon Price, The Guardian, Aug 2017
"THE INFLUENTIAL MUSICAL LEGACY OF MADCHESTER 30 YEARS ON" Terry Christian, I Love Manchester, 2019
"The Stone Roses are not merely a band, but a phenomenon that reshaped youth culture in its image" Ed Power, Independent, May 2019
"Bobby Gillespie remembers Andrew Weatherall: ‘He was a true bohemian’" Sean O'Hagan, The Observer, Feb 2020
"Happy Mondays interview" Steve Harnell, Classic Pop, Aug 2021
"“Inspiration was everywhere…” How 808 State created acid house symphony ‘Pacific State’" 909 Originals, Aug 2021
"Sex Pistols at Manchester Lesser Free Trade Hall films sell for £15k" Paul Glynn, BBC, Sep 2021
"Making The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses" Classic Pop, Oct 2021
"The Stone Roses & The Birth Of The Madchester Scene" Surface Noise, VW Music Rocks, Dec 2021
"How NME magazine’s C86 cassette helped create the British indie music scene" Michael Hann, Financial Times, Aug 2022
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@TrashTheory Жыл бұрын

This is a reupload of the original video with some minor changes. If you've already seen it, you're not missing out by not watching again! MADCHESTER SPOTIFY PLAYLIST is available free via my patreon: patreon.com/trashtheory Also Official Trash Theory playlist - Spotify: tinyurl.com/yxp32pjf Deezer: tinyurl.com/y2mdp8h2

@roli9091 Жыл бұрын

But it's worth a re-watch ...

@Grandmaster-G Жыл бұрын

Nooo, no, no my man... You deserve *at least* the 'view' and the 'like' !!

@darrengroves632 Жыл бұрын

Is there a KZfaq music playlist???

@ecmc1072 Жыл бұрын

oh hush, I gotta give this one a watch too, so it counts for your views :D

@remixedremix Жыл бұрын

Gotta watch it again for them youtube stats.

@caro_lam Жыл бұрын

there's something funny about the original video being hit with a copyright strike from the record company that didn't give A Guy Called Gerald any of his royalties for Voodoo Ray

@freontolstoy4993 Жыл бұрын

that wasn't factory was it?

@postpunk6947 Жыл бұрын

Sweet irony.

@barryls Жыл бұрын

Hmmm. He’s said in other interviews that he bought a big house in Manchester with the money from Voodoo Ray. He’s often casual with the facts.

@m0b5pawn94 Жыл бұрын

That’s exactly what I was thinking g when I looked up the label who filed the strike. Smdh 🤦‍♂️

@freontolstoy4993 Жыл бұрын

@@m0b5pawn94 I must have missed that, what label?

@Brigomez Жыл бұрын

I love how it’s wrapped up with joy divisions transmission “dance dance dance dance to the radio” great job of tying it all up

@Milofchg Жыл бұрын

I believe Chicago and Manchester are sister cities. In Chicago we were not just producing Acid House/Deep House or other House Sub genres in the 80’s. We had the harder edge Industrial Post Punk sound of Wax Trax. What Manchester was listening to in regards to House Music. We were listening to Manchester what we called Indie Rock bands… Chicago was not part of a mainstream Top 40 musical aesthetic. We were not so into Hip Hop or what later became early 90’s Grunge. Unlike other cities in the US. I remember wanting to go to England as an 18 year old because the DJs that went to spin in Manchester would tell us something huge was happening there. We knew all about Acid House pre-Rave parties before anyone else. We had our own smaller scale Acid House scene, but musically there was so much going on. We couldn’t just take one genre at a time. We had Italo Disco, Freestyle, Post Punk, Industrial, Acid House, Deep House, Detroit Techno, Chicago House, New Wave all going on at the same time. It was all Underground and it was a mix and match of the best from those respective music genres.

@garethjones6082 3 ай бұрын

I know time has moved on but you are more than welcome to join us for a 50's rave (they exist) or come and watch hacienda classical at jodrell bank :)

@jonniegibbins Жыл бұрын

Only 40 people were there to witness the Sex Pistols playing in Manchester, and 40,000 of them are still alive 🙂

@darrendodd6674 Жыл бұрын

Who just happened to be the same 40,000,000 that were dancing their onions off at Spike Island.

@GreenMorningDragonProductions Жыл бұрын

But sadly a few of them are dead, and one of them (Jon the Postman) was a good mate of mine in my College Days. Introduced me to pub locks ins, Derek Bailey (in person) and Anthony Burgess (also in person). Top fella, Jon. I wouldn't have swapped being a teenager in 1980s Manchester for anywhere and when I left for America (scholarship to the University of Michigan) my send off party was at the Hacienda :)

@TheWelwyn21 Жыл бұрын

The same thing at the screen on the green Islington, l think were up to 3/4 of million people who were there watching the sex pistols I definitely wasn't there

@AndrewLakeUK Жыл бұрын

Unjfortunatly Mick Hucknall is one of them.

@TheWelwyn21 Жыл бұрын

@@AndrewLakeUK and Morrissey

@timothyhill32 Жыл бұрын

I followed all these bands while in High School in Los Angeles and College in San Francisco. The soundtrack to the best years in my life. Luckily got to see many of these bands live.

@theculturedthug6609 Жыл бұрын

The Manchester bands?

@sorryrocco 10 ай бұрын

The smiths Salford not Manchester The charlatans not Manchester Joy division not Manchester Stone roses not Manchester Happy Mondays not Manchester Ect ect...

@noneck3099 9 ай бұрын

...not West coast USA either... @@sorryrocco

@sorryrocco 9 ай бұрын

@@noneck3099 your missing the point, the so called Manchester bands were never actually from Manchester

@horatio3727 6 ай бұрын

The smiths aren’t from Salford, even so that’s a part of Manchester, along with the places these other bands are from - get your facts straight.

@Ak0tnik Жыл бұрын

Screw copyright, you are really doing an informative job on music culture. I might not know most of the artists you post here, but I still enjoy watching your content a lot and find out about cool music.

@chrisbrent7487 10 ай бұрын

It would all be covered by fair use.

@quincylarsonmusic Жыл бұрын

I just watched 24 Hour Party People a few months back. It’s great to get hear your more academic treatment of the Madchester scene.

@freontolstoy4993 Жыл бұрын

I love that movie, seen it quite a few times. got me into the Mondays. although their ian curtis looked nothing like him lol. here's a good vintage doc about factory, it's cool to see the real people after watching the movie kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f8x-p9mSqN_cZWw.html there's also a good channel 4 doc on happy mondays.

@gdogg3710 Жыл бұрын

Best scene in that was cut out because a bloody Metrolink was going by in the background: ‘New Order??? You do know that sounds even more Nazi than Joy Division, don’t you???’

@postpunk6947 Жыл бұрын

I watch this movie several times a year.

@jacobcrumb3323 Жыл бұрын

Best movie ever...Period! Although Pulp Fiction is pretty cool!

@seansrecords Жыл бұрын

great movie ... one of my favourites. it only really tells the story of factory though which while a huge part of it - is nt the whole madchester story. theres still another film there i think to tell the whole story ... or a decent tv series

@jamesjennings3726 Жыл бұрын

As someone who lived through the acid house/rave years and was an indie kid, this was a great way to relive some of those times. Well done.

@JR-iv6oe Жыл бұрын

Jealous!

@matham625 Жыл бұрын

yer I was there//.. and this was good

@davidburns1193 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree, like a trip down memory lane...... the good ol days. Proud to have been a part of it.

@barriemorris2829 Жыл бұрын

Agree with that. Great period to be a young teenager

@YorkieLad Жыл бұрын

Yorkshire Raver here started in the Indie / House scene as a 16 year old in 88 and in 89 first visit with the lads to the Hacienda, fucking mental and my life changed forever along with everyone i know, for the worse and better.

@salty898 Жыл бұрын

I've watched this video about a dozen or so times. I'm just so facinated as an American about how this music came about. How disco gave way to house, punk into alternative dance, jangle & indie pop, and the rave and drug explosion. The Stone Roses debut and Screamadelica have blown me away and I absolutely love some hits and deep cuts from The Charlatans and the Happy Mondays.

@Youtube_deleted_my_favourites 6 ай бұрын

Try New Fast Automatic Daffodils

Жыл бұрын

Great documentary, The Durutti Column deserves to be mentioned for creating early dream-pop

@veronicagonzalo3778 Жыл бұрын

What a treasure on KZfaq. Thanks for this masterclass of Madchester sound and also a masterclass for music producers. ❤️🎶🎶💥

@lorrainebennett7528 5 ай бұрын

808 State, what a track and what an amazing time for music. Great upload!

@paulwdoyle Жыл бұрын

Yet another meticulously researched video. I'm always fascinated by the journey of musical influence. Thanks so much, your videos are truly valuable slices of music history

@davidellis5141 Жыл бұрын

🎶 Oh Manchester , So much to answer for ! 🎶

@GNeuman Жыл бұрын

Fantastic... Graham Massey's father, Derek, was a senior manager with a telecoms company I started out with in Wythenshawe back when 808 State had their first hit. I'll never forget Derek saying to me, "Did you see Our Graham on Top of the Pops last night?" Proud as punch he was. Happy days.. Great documentary.

@Ste2023 Жыл бұрын

Seriously... nice story

@GNeuman Жыл бұрын

@@Ste2023 Derek really was a lovely fella, never met Graham but when I've watched him being interviewed you can instantly tell who his Dad is!

@dsnodgrass4843 Жыл бұрын

Heard "Shoot You Down" from Stone Roses on a college radio station in Cleveland OH USA in 1990; and it changed my world. Heard a million great songs before that and since; but none of them hit me like that one did then. It wasn't the turning of a page, it was a whole new book opening.

@andrewconrad2859 Жыл бұрын

Every single song on that first Roses record has the ability to do what "Shoot You Down" did for you. It's hard to describe how great that album is from start to finish. An absolute masterpiece. It just oozes brilliance.

@alexanderwood3465 9 ай бұрын

I always find with that album that when you're younger you like the singles, but when you're older you really appreciate the album tracks, my favourite one's Sugar Spun Sister 🍋

@kevingreenhaw7372 8 ай бұрын

@@andrewconrad2859ya I really liked this song,and ran with this group..I personally didn't get down with a lot of these songs.Peter Hook, Johnny Marr always delivered.I was in SF during this silly mess,and any crappy song was a Brit hit.. I was 21 in 79.. SF was an epicenter for new music, The Stranglers, The Jam or The Attractions were definitely killing it,but Loaded or Fools Gold made $20 double stackers worth every beat.I really enjoyed B.A.D, Style Council,but Stone Roses kept it going..Then Brit Pop conquered the second half of the 90s. I had so much fun, I guess Liam and Noel really did shut er down.. I'm still dancing, but now I'm turning on my 22yr daughter. When I slapped on Fool's Gold remix at her Halloween party, we took it to the FREAK zone,and the shrooms kicked in! Sorry to ramble,glad someone is down with Stone Roses

@argumentchannel Жыл бұрын

Lived it. I was Martin Harnett's Sound Engineer. When the smith became known I was working with Maritain in Decibel Studios, 1 St. James street, Manchester. I was told we would be producing the Smiths. What happen, the man with the money 'Phillipe Del'clock' said it will all go ahead if they replace the singer. True.

@AmysTrilogy Жыл бұрын

As far as I recall, Hanett was never at decibelle, the smiths first demo was recorded there, Phillipe knew nothing about it till quite a time after.

@argumentchannel Жыл бұрын

@@AmysTrilogy Phillips was always drudged up with his girlfriend at the time. cont remember her name but they were forever on holiday. at that time i used to busk with johnny before the band became famous. out side aflex and shamble squares. Philipe wanted morrissy out of the band

@Darrenski 3 ай бұрын

Did you live anywhere near hulme? I grew up in 1970s Manchester and my most abiding memory is of the ripper billboards... 'we know what he sounds like and what his writing is like and he looks like a Somalian pirate' etc etc. Dark days however fondly we look back and distort it. When I grew up you were posh if you had a fitted carpet.

@argumentchannel 3 ай бұрын

@@Darrenski I lived in Moston but before we worked a car would pick m up and take me to hulme to get his stuff. an other frend of mine had hulme dismataled "David Lunts"

@acrodave9287 10 ай бұрын

Somebody interviewing Tony Wilson asked him "Why do you think Manchester produces such varied and inventive music?" "Because kids in Manchester have the best Record collections." Sums up a lot... Great video, brought back a lot of things I thought I'd forgotten! Also Paris angels, Chameleons, Squirrel and G-man, seeing the Stone Roses spray graffiti all around Central Manchester when they were still considered a 'Goth band' (!), buying import Japanese Hardcore Albums from 808 State's Massey at Eastern Bloc in Affleck's Palace, watching Pete Shelly playing a free-form guitar solo to an artist doing a Pollock style action painting on the studio floor on Tony Wilsons 'the Other Side of Midnight', Voodoo Ray constantly playing somewhere in the background, seeing assorted members of the Mondays in the Dry Bar of a weekend, Bez being a daft, friendly bugger as usual, just the...Variety! The atmosphere! The whole...THING! Of course it couldn't last long, what does? But, like Punk just before it, it casts a hell of a long shadow. CHEERS MATE, SORTED!

@the_unrepentant_anarchist. Жыл бұрын

Went to see The Stone Roses in 1989 at Rio's in Bradford (now sadly gone) and there were more people behind the bar than in the audience! Happy Daze.... 🍄

@lynseypringle9585 Жыл бұрын

That episode of Top of the Pops changed my life! Aged 14 I remember so vividly being blown away by Stone Roses and Happy Mondays. Wish I had the money I’ve spent on gigs and festivals chasing that baggy sound over the decades but I wouldn’t have the memories (I could be living in a massssssive house though 🤭)❤️

@davetherave9222 Жыл бұрын

Happy old days for sure….probably a lot to do with the gold or red seal hash that we started smoking at youth club 😆. All chipped in for a little chunk from the Three Bridges pub in the meadows area of Nottingham, another pub that is long gone.

@lynseypringle9585 Жыл бұрын

@@davetherave9222 aw everyone has a mate Dave the Rave our age 🤭

@JoelSyverud Жыл бұрын

It’s a fucking disgrace that you have to fight this hard to keep these wonderful educational videos online. Modern copyright is anti-humanity

@apocalypsemeow7966 Жыл бұрын

Excellent work. Your historical videos always introduce me to new artists I hadn't heard of or thought about much.

@stevenburgess9722 Жыл бұрын

Fantastic! Easily one of best music doc's I've ever seen. Honestly the amount of great bands I've discovered from this is incredible.

@schrodingerscat1863 Жыл бұрын

Have to say this is better than any documentary I have see on TV covering this era. Meticulous research and an actual understanding of the 80s Manc scene, Subscribed.

@notation254 Жыл бұрын

God I LOVE this channel. Please never stop doing what you're doing. Cheers, from the USA!

@GreenMorningDragonProductions Жыл бұрын

12:00 "Moody" by ESG was massively influential on many later house tracks. One that really sticks in my mind is "Direct to You" by Zero the Hero. I really, really liked this. I lived through it and was amazed by how many bullseyes you got, telling the story. So many records, clubs, and characters that are all unforgettable but it's always nice to be reminded of such happy and everlastingly inspirational times :)

@zulubeatz1 Жыл бұрын

ESG are very underrated

@1BigBucks1 Жыл бұрын

You got it right. All of it. Doing cultural history is hard and you are nailing it. Connecting all the dots is so important to provide the proper context. Thank you for this and hope it lives on for others to discover.

@za2206 9 ай бұрын

Well, Nirvana ended the use of these products & reacted ti chainsaw... evolving why Yall can't swim

@jmckenzie962 Жыл бұрын

The first time I heard the terms "Madchester" and "baggy" was in reference to My Bloody Valentine's "Soon", talking about the drum beat on that track as well as the fact that Andy Weatherall also made a remix of it. I had heard The Stone Roses before, but had no idea they were part of a whole scene of similar-sounding bands.

@fiucik1 Жыл бұрын

I'm 33 years old Polish man that has been living in London for 8 years. I might be from Poland, but my musical soul is surely British. Love your videos. One can learn so much, so many more or less obscure bands, that deserves recognition. Thanks mate.

@blortmeister Жыл бұрын

Lawd a'mighty, that was a journey! You always impress me with breadth and depth.

@m0b5pawn94 Жыл бұрын

Once again, killer job on this video. The amount of effort put in is unreal. Keep it up, my friend ✊

@FMCH6444 Жыл бұрын

Greta video. As a huge fan of the Stone Roses, Happy Mondays, Inspirals, Charlatans etc, getting the back story on how it all came to be is a real treat for this Yank

@simoncrabb Жыл бұрын

Well worth another watch. This channel realty is top tier, it should have millions of subscribers. The only reason it doesn't is probably video length, people don't have long enough attention spans anymore.

@normikcentralnybernardyn Жыл бұрын

About the New Order: as far as I remember, some time before the release of "Technique" and "World In Motion", Bernard Sumner had a argument with the rest of the band about the future vision of the band's sound, so he decided to team up with Johnny Marr (formerly of The Smiths) to record an album, that later became the 1991's self-titled debut by Electronic. On this album there are tracks, that, in my humble opinion, also deserve the title of "Madchester hits", such as "Get The Message" (to which Denise Johnson, the singer known for collaborations with such bands as A Certain Ratio and Primal Scream, contributed) and "Feel Every Beat" (which, truth to be told, was the lowest charting single from that album, but still was in the Top 40 in UK Single Charts and, in my opinion, is the best track from the whole album). The album on its own peaked on number 2 in UK. Around the time of the "Electronic"'s release, Stephen Morris and Gillian Gilbert stearted to work on their own project, which resulted firstly with a single called "Tasty Fish" released by Factory Records in 1991. Its highest position in UK Singles Chart was number 40, as far as I remeber. Further recordings were made, but due to the Factory's collapse, the release of the debut album was delayed. However, it has arrived in 1993 through London Records as "The Other Two & You", promoted with "Selfish", the track that was remixed and released as a second single promoting this album. All in all, I would say, that both the Electronic's and The Other Two's albums and songs from these are a bit forgotten nowadays, but still they are worth checking out, in my opinion. I personally consider "Feel Every Beat" as one of the best songs of the Madchester era, especially when we consider the live versions of that song (for example, the one recorded during the 1991's festival called Cities In The Park, held in memory of Martin Hannett, former producer of Factory Records). Still, a great video about an extremely interesting topic. Cheers!

@slowmo9642 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely love electronic. Seen them around 91 at the barrowlands. My 2nd gig. Apologies for the reminiscing.

@MJ.71 Жыл бұрын

Hannett was a musical genius

@empireman1077 Жыл бұрын

@@slowmo9642 I was at heaton park in August 91' Revenge & The Durutti C were much better than Electronic A certain ratio were a bit disappointing, but it was a great day out As I saw Rob Gretton, walk in front of me to 👏applause Cath Carroll ( England made me 🎤📀) new ✍️ to Factory

@AutPen38 Жыл бұрын

I loved the singles by Electronic (wasn't Neil Tennant involved somehow, along with producer Stephen Hague perhaps?) and the debut by The Other Two. With better promotion (and a title that reflected the lyrics, maybe), 'Tasty Fish' could have been a top 3 hit. It was every bit as commercial as New Order's catchiest tunes.

@normikcentralnybernardyn Жыл бұрын

@@AutPen38 yeah, Neil Tennant sang on "Getting Away With It" (the debut single by Electronic), "The Patience Of Saint" from Electronic's debut album and "Disappointed", released as a non-album single. And I agree, that "Tasty Fish" could have been a hit, if it had been better promoted. But still, these were great acts, that brought fantastic songs to the public. Cheers!

@simonhartley2772 Жыл бұрын

A brilliant documentary. An era that defined a generation. Good times, NO great times, Amazing times. We were blessed to be there in those moments. Moments we will never forget and we will never let go of

@alisonjane7068 Жыл бұрын

i had no idea that "pump up the volume" was a track from the uk, nor that it came out as early as 1987. i took dance classes as a kid in the early 90s, and that song was used in one of my recitals. it's wild to me that it was so popular that it reached a small town in texas.

@JosephGallagher Жыл бұрын

That song's as old as I am but I remember listening to it around 1991 or so here in Mexico. It transcended it's UK life

@alisonjane7068 Жыл бұрын

@TUbIuyola I know. That's kinda my point. I didn't know its origins and had assumed it was made closer to home bc of its popularity.

@djhavenm Жыл бұрын

I was very big into 4AD bands in '87 and knew about Colourbox and A.R. Kane. When I first heard the song and was told that M/A/R/R/S was a collaboration between the two, I was astounded. I was even more astounded by "Pump Up The Volume".

@dmcverry1 10 ай бұрын

I lived just south of Manchester and was into the bands in the mid-80s, I lived a lot of this, was going to the Mondays gigs in 88 and the Hac around the same time. I remember going to college in 89 and no-one having a clue who any of these bands I was into were or what this whole scene I was selling hard to them - until that TOTP in Nov 89. This is a really good piece & told me a lot of stuff I didn't know, and I've been scholarly on the start of the best years of my life

@za2206 9 ай бұрын

And so this proves Little League is Black Listed to keep U.K. fooled at Hiking to the East... that in U.S. Yall own all the lands to the Left, and WHATEVER that fd itself there is unregulated Arab abuse stealing paradise from England, no White in U.S. wants England without paradise, & that stretches to Yemen as a valid taking, because Rome poured Non-Native sympathy rejects all over Yalls LIBERTY with TV fooling Yalls Elders as magic, when Yall owe nothing to the Middle East or Italy, to Green Party rule of Law, which proved 20,000 years Roman paving is death only, unlearned from by colleges.

@MrVegasdeuce Жыл бұрын

Living only 80 miles from Chicago, there were 2 radio channels that would play house music but, only on weekends and only during late night. It took sometime to catch on but, it did eventually. Some of the Northside clubs started booking some of the house DJs and boom, it was on...

@MANCHESTER.IS.BLUE.49 Жыл бұрын

A great period in music..glad to be a part of it. .

@gdogg3710 Жыл бұрын

That Vince Clarke remix of ‘Wrote for luck’ was still being played every night of the week in the indie clubs of Manchester 20 years ago when I were a lad…it probably still is now…

@davidsanderson2960 Жыл бұрын

Preferred the Oakenfold remix personally

@stuartdavidson2128 Жыл бұрын

Was in The Venue not that long back ... and you're right! It still is!

@gdogg3710 Жыл бұрын

@@stuartdavidson2128 I worked there for three years…I worked at the old venue as well, and 5th Ave, 42’s and Mutz Nutz…

@djdrack4681 Жыл бұрын

Great Video. I think you should make a whole video Covering Beggars Group (especially 4AD and XL Recordings). Between the different labels they helped not just shape Madchester, but goth, darkwave, house/acid, 90s/00s garage/indy and beyond.

@Alfred_English Жыл бұрын

This would be fantastic. Are there any KZfaq channels that focus on the story of individual record labels?

@djdrack4681 Жыл бұрын

@@Alfred_English maybe, but I haven't had time to look/assess what is crap/what isn't.

@2Luke100 Жыл бұрын

So glad you were able to re-upload this, it's absolutely wonderful stuff!

@terryquinn5450 Жыл бұрын

That is so well put together it is like revisiting all the key moments of my life from a small kid in the 60's with a top 40 jukebox in the corner of our shop, through to living in Shoreditch in the 90"s when it was still peaceful. An excellent history of the whole period.

@induspherix Жыл бұрын

Great topic. I've long been seeking a clearer picture of just how Chicago house and Britain's dance music scene started cross-pollenating to produce so many divergent offspring in the world of electronic music.

@karlmeadows4986 Жыл бұрын

Northern soul was another scene what started with discarded American records

@AutPen38 Жыл бұрын

It's kind of amazing how a bunch of pale white guys with acne and guitars took drugs and heard electronic music by Black gay Americans and ended up cooking up something that doesn't really sound like any of the ingredients. e.g. In their failure to make house music with "standard" instruments, the Madchester bands invented "baggy".

@andrewsudders1060 Жыл бұрын

I can't believe it took years for the stone roses to break through they are my favourite band

@ATH-lh1nn Жыл бұрын

I would love to see a video going over The Stranglers as I think their story is so interesting and so unappreciated. Love your videos.

@aguycalledbunny5186 Жыл бұрын

As a person who started clubbing in NYC in '88, I have to say this tale of the evolution and cross pollination of the post disco/ post punk dance scene is so spot on. Good job.

@tiborvarga2069 Жыл бұрын

Thank you, I think it's one your best videos at this point! It's thorough and highly entertaining, fascinating stuff. By the way, I managed to see the original upload, but I'm going to watch it again!

@mapuppa Жыл бұрын

This is by far my favorite channel now, great insight into the different genres of music and artists, keep up the great work 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

@scootertart Жыл бұрын

Brilliant vid, was gutted when I saw it was initially pulled due to copywrite bollocks. That was pretty much my musical journey as a teenager in the mid 80's onwards. Loved the gigs, fanzines , free parties and general hedonism of that period, amazing time musically to grow up and experience in the UK .

@macfilms9904 Жыл бұрын

You're continually making the best rock documentaries out there - music that meant so much to me through the years. I was going to Uni in Tokyo in 1989/90 and at the club we hit all the time Soul 2 Soul's "Back to Life" was huge, and in my Sony CD player was the Stone Roses as probably my absolute favorite album of that time.

@theparalexview785 10 ай бұрын

Great summary of one of my favorite eras. The music of my childhood was 1960s R&B, funk and pop, but my teens was a dreary time of '70s dinosaur rock and disco. New Wave and Power Pop morphing into Madchester by the time I was in my 30s was like being gifted with a second adolescence, in terms of a soundtrack for a memorable time of life. Now I'm a tired old dude jogging to Stone Roses, and that Groovy Train Farm Beat.

@comeonman8191 Жыл бұрын

Brilliant video. I don’t know if people are aware but Gary Whelan’s mesmerising drum beat on Bummed’s Wrote For Luck was him trying to play the beat to Running Up That Hill. He just did it in that 8th to 16th beat lop sided way that became the baggy beat.

@za2206 9 ай бұрын

While Rasta holds the Plant beats

@taramunro2 Жыл бұрын

This was fascinating! I never realised how each sound evolved until now. You are brilliant!

@tertulianosoares Жыл бұрын

I from Brazil...and this is a excelent documentary...congratulations

@soccerjockey Жыл бұрын

Incredible deep dive, great work! 24 Hour Party People introduced me to this music almost 20 years ago and I immediately fell in love, but I'm happy that there's still much for me to learn and discover about this fascinating scene.

@Kuffdam Жыл бұрын

Brilliant episode - clearly a serious amount of work went into this and I really appreciate it. Such an amazing era for music and had a huge impression on me and into the dance scene. Keep up the amazing work

@MatthewvanR.music. Жыл бұрын

Finnally back! I loved it, wachted it like 5 times. Can you please do a video on Noise rock like Before Sonic Youth: How noise rock became noise rock.

@jessop- Жыл бұрын

That's a great suggestion.

@MrVegasdeuce Жыл бұрын

@@jessop- you're right. Would love that also..

@davidsanderson2960 Жыл бұрын

You mean shoegaze?

@jessop- Жыл бұрын

@@davidsanderson2960 I can't speak for the original guy, but I was thinking of Glenn Branca, Lydia Lunch & the whole no wave scene of the early 80's.

@MatthewvanR.music. Жыл бұрын

@@jessop- yeah more of that

@timdogdawg4099 Жыл бұрын

Thanks uploader for your time and effort, it definitely paid off! Much love ❤

@LisaBabe85 Жыл бұрын

What a brilliant documentary! Thank you so much for this! 💜🎵🎶

@rayanemartins4770 Жыл бұрын

Giving my view and my like again to this great video

@mrkipling2201 Жыл бұрын

I’m so glad I was the right age to enjoy those times!!

@killedpatrick Жыл бұрын

This channel is my go to, to find new bands and albums that I’d either never heard of, or forgotten about.

@stevenjamessmith3731 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for that ! Really enjoyed watching through a lot of the music of my youth, and it was really well put together. Sadly, a lot of the formative stuff happened before I was old enough to be aware of music. But that's the thing, you can always discover music from the past, and 'Thank God' that's the way it works! They really don't make them like they used to, and I consider myself very lucky to have experienced the music that I have, when I have. I saw my 21'st birthday in at the Hacienda, now it's flats. Life goes on !

@Shades-of-76 Жыл бұрын

Fantastic video, important piece of cultural history. I hadn’t quite made the link until this there were so many bands from the Glasgow area making similar stuff back then. Absolute respect to our Mancunian brothers and sisters x

@AutPen38 Жыл бұрын

I think one "influencer" in Scotland made a mix-tape of the Velvet Underground and Nico that everyone on the scene up there shared, whereas in Manchester it was Bowie's Berlin trilogy and the Sex Pistols. Combine them together and add some drugs and you get "baggy" indie dance made by art school kids.

@m.s2912 Жыл бұрын

So glad to see this one reuploded! I think it's one of your finest yet, and that's saying something. I'd love to hear you talking a bit more about twee pop sometime in the future, I'm kind of a massive Pastels/Vaselines/Talulah Gosh/Juliana Hatfield fan. Sadly I wasn't around back when they were and I just know your insight and analysis on this movement would be priceless.

@thomasjcs 9 ай бұрын

Thank you for this video. I clicked on it thinking that I’d just watch a few minutes. And all of a sudden it was over. Great job. Some things I knew. But way more I didn’t know and so much more I want to explore. Keep up the good work. And thanks again!

@alexmousley7213 Жыл бұрын

That was an awesome exploration of Madchester, very well edited and narrated. Thoroughly enjoyable.

@austiin8981 Жыл бұрын

"Moody" By ESG is why Martin Hannett was a genius. It solidified his hand in house music.

@VictorKibalchich Жыл бұрын

ESG were amazing

@primitivo4604 Жыл бұрын

Martin Hannett didn't produce any house music as far as I'm aware and he died in 91.

@austiin8981 Жыл бұрын

He produced music that progressed into house. That's my point.

@madisonsparks8393 Жыл бұрын

I love this channel. I've watched every Trash Theory video...they're just fascinating. One suggestion...could you include the songs you talk about in the description? There's so much screenshotting going on in my world ❤ thank you!!!

@rocknrollrulesu2 Жыл бұрын

That or a Spotify playlist would be awesome

@g-wiz2953 Жыл бұрын

@@rocknrollrulesu2 there is a spotify playlist free on their patron page (no long in required) and they commented a direct link

@darrenbooth57 Жыл бұрын

Many thanks that was great! So many memories, but brilliantly put together.

@jesperjacobsen2463 Жыл бұрын

Man, I love this channel! Thank you so much for what you do!

@theturbo2292 Жыл бұрын

A walk through musical history, great video and learned a few things

@za2206 9 ай бұрын

Or evolution

@DT-yu6zf Жыл бұрын

My favorite video you’ve ever done, from my favorite creator on the platform. Thank you!

@Chief_Brody Жыл бұрын

Outstanding docu. Whenever I hear 'Loaded' or 'Fools Gold', I'm transported back to being an 18 year old again. Great days.

@mosthaunted2 Жыл бұрын

I'm from Manchester and was born in 1977 so I grew up hearing every one of these songs as they came out, from all of the 80's to the 90s, Iucky enough to be born at the perfect time to appreciate them era's, This was my Childhood & Teenage Sound, The best decades in Music History.

@yoooohooooo Жыл бұрын

not quite the generation then

@mosthaunted2 Жыл бұрын

@@yoooohooooo No, Exactly the generation.

@mookie714 Жыл бұрын

I love this era of music.

@SteveNalepa Жыл бұрын

You're a legend, these videos are incredible. Thank you and keep it up!

@Memfys Жыл бұрын

Best music video essays on KZfaq! Thank You!

@gamerava1235 Жыл бұрын

Great comments on here. Nice to see the New FADS and Paris Angels - Perfume in the missing list. One band I haven’t seen mentioned is the unjustly neglected King of the Slums particularly for their compilation debut Barbarous English Fayre (1989) which is full of blistering Northern rage. They too got carried along into the Madchester sound but, strangely, their anger was ill fitting however they softened it.

@yorkshirepauper Жыл бұрын

@Trash Theory This should definitely be followed with one about the "Grebo" indie scene! Ned's Atomic Dustbin, Carter U.S.M., The Wonder Stuff, Pop Will Eat Itself, Jesus Jones, EMF....

@eyehatetom2830 Жыл бұрын

You make the best musical documentaries possible. I’m a yankee and it’s awesome to see the UK vibe I was previously oblivious to. On top of that your USA videos are spot on. CHEERS

@theoriginalbluey Жыл бұрын

Every angle here! each one affected my life growing up. Well done for cramming so many of the best ever tunes in!

@buckysrevenge Жыл бұрын

I remember Happy Monday's "Step On" being a much bigger hit here in the US, it was such a catchy song

@byteflight Жыл бұрын

yeah, that's the first song I heard by them, living in LA; KROQ must have been playing it

@OutOfAmmoOutOfTime Жыл бұрын

An awesome video. I was so into these bands (saw the charlatans in Tokyo in 1992)…..Australia has/had a couple of bands that fit into this rock/disco crossover: Tame Impala of course, but one band which I can recommend to anyone into this scene is from Melbourne: The Underground Lovers

@GreenMorningDragonProductions Жыл бұрын

Nice one - will check them out. I had a mate called Steve who was an Aussie back when I was a young Mancunian student. He was a roadie and lighting sound engineer who got me into LOADS of concerts and events at Manchester Academy during that era, posing as his roadie apprentice ;) The Shamen, the Sugarcubes, The Orb, Northside. And later Sasha and Digweed at Melbourne Docks. Oh, and I saw the Charlatans in Tokyo as well. All the best from Yokohama :)

@colettecarroll9371 5 ай бұрын

Can I just say the house music section around 23 min mark is STUNNING! Almost sobbing hearing Love Can’t Turn Around!

@stocksy7286 Жыл бұрын

Amazing in-depth look in to the Madchester scene, thank you for this 😊😊

@nathansomers Жыл бұрын

Some to throw into the mix that weren't mentioned from post punk to new wave to electronica: Devo, Tubeway Army, Cabaret Voltaire - Richard H Kirk's use of samples I feel were a huge influence on creating an english electro funk (while tipping a big hat to hip-hop) sound.

@bend3rbot Жыл бұрын

The funk beats was Stone Roses' drummer, Reni's gift from God, and his family history steeped in northern soul - both parents being performers and central to the scene. His timing and sense of rhythm was astoundingly good

@blurman111000 Жыл бұрын

Seen him and met him doing a northern soul dj set in my town

@cosmicbaggy9637 9 ай бұрын

Just wanna' say this is still the best video essay on the channel. Outstanding work.

@sourcedecay Жыл бұрын

Thank you for these videos. Being from the US, I missed a lot of music you cover, and it's helped me explore music I'd never heard of.

@lolafranciska27.66 Жыл бұрын

Althought it was never a popular track, Blur's White Noise from the Think Tank album has a lot to do with the Madchester scene. Worth to listen, the electric sounds goes along really well with its repetitive lyrics.

@VictorKibalchich Жыл бұрын

You should do one of these on Pop Will Eat Itself, an often overlooked originator of indie dance

@pablodebruyne3834 Жыл бұрын

Well said that man

@ejenplitobarces Жыл бұрын

They are part of the grebo scene, that existed at the same time as Madchester and was really great

@Jokkkkke Жыл бұрын

Wow that was your best yet - absolutely incredible 😍

@antoniofuturatiani74 Жыл бұрын

I really liked 808 State and A Guy called Gerald between 1986-1994 when I was a teenager with traxx I listened to like Magical Dream, Ancodia, In yer face, I won't give in, I am Somebody, Voodoo Ray, Automanikk, Pacific, Olympic, Oops, Control ( 1989 ), Deepville, Let yourself go, Disco State, State Ritual, Timebomb, Azure, Qmart, Lambrusco Cowboy, Nefatiti, Open your mind and Lift plus Tranquillity on Phobos, K9, Muzik zweet music, Arcade Fantasy, Rhythm of life, Subscape, Fx, Emotions Electric and Eyes of Sorrow etcetera. I thought those Musical Compositions were absolutely fantastica and they were amazing to listen to plus they were very melodic with lush chords and nice strings including deep resonant funky Basslines and excellent percussion. Antonio Futura Tiani3574 and Jacqui n Lucia in Ancoats/Milesplatting Manchester Northern Quarter Little Italia.

@MrVegasdeuce Жыл бұрын

I'm actually wearing a PIL shirt as I watch this. Time to play the lottery....🖤

@tinymotogarage Жыл бұрын

Great video man - full of stuff I never knew at all. I was in the Hacienda a few times in 89 (can't remember much, obviously). I loved house and I think the Stone Roses "Love Spreads" might be one of the greatest ever. Great watch - thanks again.

@callechristiernsson5007 Жыл бұрын

I think you may have overlooked The Chameleons in this documentary. Great work though!

@seansrecords Жыл бұрын

my favourite band , they fell in a weird space , too late for punk too early for madchester ... great music though, like a punkier less lovesick cure ..

@empireman1077 Жыл бұрын

@@seansrecords now your talking 👍 I have seen The Chameleons 3 times, much better than the band's around today I wonder why they never signed a deal with Factory 🎧

@seansrecords Жыл бұрын

@@empireman1077 i saw the original lineup once . i was about 12 and it was my first gig, i grew up in middleton their hometown and the gig was in the local civic hall - it was brilliant ... ive met mark a few times as my mates dad went to school with him.. the gig was their resurrection tour when they reformed for a bit in 2000... ive seen mark and the various iterations of chameleons vox probably a dozen times now and its always great but i wouldve loved to have seen them in the 80s

@empireman1077 Жыл бұрын

@@seansrecords I reckon they were one of my fave bands They had a unique sound & style which stood out from other bands,apart from The Fall & Joy Division They also stuck to their ideas in the music business I heard that Mark Burgess, ✍️ a 📗 + contains all lyrics ☯️

@seansrecords Жыл бұрын

@@empireman1077 the book is great i have a copy - "a view from a hill" , worth a read if you can find it . . it has alot of insights into the lyrics for definite