"Can I go home now?"

I read this in his voice

But it comes with a free topping!

I saw the first part and prayed that after "read more" you'd finish this the way you did. You can have all of my internet karma for today. :)

@@roscoeivan8739 I didn't get that at all from his comment.

That’s economy of action right there!

The hate boner for monks is overdone

@@AssafStone truly an optimized build

Not the first time this series (outside of the monks episode).

"No extra cost". those words are like poison to monks.

Ah, but, even though the Ranger gives off an (undeserved) vibe of a "frail" class, it can't quite get a pissed off DM to focus fire on it instead of the Wizard or Sorcerer quite like a Monk can.

@@aprinnyonbreak1290 but for that you need to actually be able to build a monk that threatens enemies That’s not very easy to do tbh. Your damage isn’t great so setting up debuffs is the only option I know to actually force enemies to focus on a monk What do you think?

@@Booklat1 Grapple. The DM will try to kill you, just so they don't have to remember what actually happens if you succeed.

Rangers are good with big parties too. Rangers, even though not optimized for it, they can be the second tank, second healer, second damage dealer, second scout. Rangers are always by your side.

@@raymondsandalphonrahon6124 Ranger with one level in Life Cleric, and one level in Druid. Maybe two levels in Moon druid, if you're feeling delightfully devilish. The ranger likely cares the least about the various restrictions those two classes place outside of maybe Wizard, and in exchange, you become an endless battery of party healing... as well as completely negate like, half of your own fluff abilities for surviving in the wilderness, because years of becoming one with the land are meaningless in the face of a handful of berries. And then if you go moon druid, you get extra combat presence when you get into melee, letting you invest fully into archery, since in melee you are just BEAR, and you get even more HP to soak and generally just be a little asshole with, and can scout super well as like, a spider or something. Plus, you return to the glory days of being a bear on a friendly bear mount, with a super powered bear pal who can poop extra bears, ideally while the bard plays hard bass. Does it rely on some suspect class feature interactions and hideously unbalanced abilities? Yee. Does it result in an incredibly versatile and flexible character who can keep nearly any party alive and kicking, while still more than allowing other characters to shine? Also yee. Rangers are such team players that they'll take broken class combos, so you don't have to.

And give them tons of niche Druid spells that really requires Prepared Casting to make good use of them

And don't let them cast rituals. (Though to be fair, Tasha's Primal Awareness has *somewhat* alleviated the pain we're talking about here.)

But to offset that, they can't smite

This was basically the mindset for all spontaneous casters for some reason

@@HiopX I would be stoked if they ever dropped the Arcane Archer from Fighter and made it a Ranger subclass, making the custom arrows a means to "smite" with ranged shots using spell slots as a resource.

Honestly might make that a home rule one day. Thanks for the ide.

Should still be doable up to proficiency number of times per long rest though.

Played the monster slayer... the Hunter's Sense ability almost never comes up. Everyone knows what dragons, giants and elementals are immune too. It came up once with a demon none of us were familiar with. It's really cool flavor and good for homebrew monsters or rare monsters... but that's it.

@@TangooseCarmike8205 most people don't memorise monster stat blocks. I've been in plenty of sessions with newer players who have no idea about monster weaknesses, so that feature would actually be quite useful.

Maybe once you know the weakness . Your Hunters Prey should change to the weakness

To be clear, Eloquence Bard does this better, but absolutely! It and Swarmkeeper are great.

@@wassentme1891 Well you wouldn't be a ranger if another class couldn't do what you do, but better.

Hunter really needs extra spells as well. I just realized that Hunter can only choose one of each options. I have always allowed then to use all, I think my sub concious thought this should have been better than it was.

At least now you can easily get a familiar with druid 2

Aight i really love horizon walkers as a concept so much and my fav PC that I played was one but they were admittedly carried by their flavor more than mechanics, so I may just actually put what you said into my games because it sounds absolutely perfect! But maybe I guess make it so that the 3rd level feature can also be used without needing to take the Attack action and instead make a bonus action that's basically misty step but without needing the spell and it draws on your 2nd level slot, so it only can be used at Level 5 or prof bonus or Wisdom Modifier, The reason why is I think Misty Step would be somewhat redundant is by RAW you _can_ just Make an attack at practically nothing and still be able to teleport 20 feet making Misty Step sorta redundant (you'll miss out on the 10-20 feet of extra range but that would still be enough to get out of grapples or get to most highground, etc), I also think it would be kind of a meh when you get the spell even if its mechanically good since well, you were already able to prance around the place 2 levels ago Per Page 193 of the PHB of the Making an Attack Section _Choose a target._ Pick a target within your attack's range: a creature, an *object*, or a *location*. So replace Misty Step with a different interdementional space cop type vibe of spell, idk what would be mechanically the best and flavor wise the best too but I think Blur or Mirror Image would be sick to emphasize the slippery ness of the class

Aight so, here's a buffed Horizon Walker I made, the most major change is I swapped the placements of Distant Strike and Etherealness 3rd Level Feature, Detect Shift At 3rd level, you gain the ability to magically sense the presence of a planar portal. You detect the general direction to the closest planar portal within 1 mile of you. As an action, you can pinpoint the presence of a planar portal more precisely, and gleam knowledge, knowing the exact distance and height and what Plane the portal leads to Once you use this feature, you can't use it again until you finish a short or long rest. See the "Planar Travel" section in chapter 2 of the Dungeon Master's Guide for examples of planar portals. In addition, you can also detect the general direction of where an object, location or creature teleported towards up to 120 feet, and as a reaction, for a number of times equal to your Proficiency Bonus, you can pinpoint their exact location up to one mile. You regain all uses when you finish a short or long rest. 3rd Level Planar Warrior At 3rd level, you learn to draw on the energy of the multiverse to augment your attacks. When you hit a creature with a weapon, you can deal an extra 1d8 Force damage to the target, which can take this extra damage only once per turn. You can also choose that all damage dealt by the attack becomes force damage. When you reach 11th level in this class, the extra damage increases to 2d8. For each creature you hit within 60 feet of you, the extra damage granted by this feature increases by 1d8. This bonus ends at the start of your turn. *ALTERNATIVELY* For each creature you hit within 60 feet of you, the extra damage granted by this feature increases by 1d8 up to a maximum of 4d8 which scales to 5d8 at 11th level. This bonus ends at the start of your turn or when you miss an attack. ________________________________________________ 7th Level Feature, Distant Strike At 7th level, you gain the ability to pass between the planes in the blink of an eye. When you take the Attack action, you can teleport up to 10 feet before each attack to an unoccupied space you can see. If you attack at least two different creatures with the action, you can make one additional attack with it against a third creature. You can use this feature a number of times equal to twice your Proficiency Bonus, and regain uses on a short or long rest You can use this feature an unlimited number of times at 11th level of this class. ________________________________________________ 11th Ethereal Step At 11th level, you learn to step through the Ethereal Plane. As a bonus action, you can cast the etherealness spell with this feature, without expending a spell slot, a number of times equal to your proficiency bonus, but the spell ends at the end of the current turn. ________________________________________________ 15th Level Spectral Defense At 15th level, your ability to move between planes enables you to slip through the planar boundaries to lessen the harm done to you during battle, you may also seize a minuscule amount of the Great Wheel to bend time. When you take damage from an attack, you can use your reaction to give yourself resistance to all of that attack's damage on this turn. Alternatively, if you are subjected to saving throw you can use your reaction to make it at Advantage. Once per short or long rest, you may also move up to your speed and to the source of the damage or saving thow and make an Attack action and bonus action, if you kill the creature, any damage or saving throw you were received is reversed and you return to your original posistion, as you break the natural rule of the Cosmos.

@@KoryLunaa If I understand planar warrior correctly, that means that at 5th level I can take my 3 attacks with crossbow expert, polearm master, two weapon fighting, etc and do 1d8, 2d8, and 3d8 extra damage to three different targets. At 7th I can do another 4d8, haste at 9th level adds a 5d8, and at 11th it becomes 2d8, 3d8, 4d8, 5d8, and 6d8. If I get a reaction attack, I can make it against a target I already hit for another 7d8. Misses reduce all this starting from the highest damage, but it gets pretty out of control as you add more attacks to the equation.

@@timeforsuchaword Hmm that could be broken, but that's a bit of resources spent A few feats you need to take and a lot of to hit rolls, I'm not denying that building up to 7d8 is a godly amount of damage but that defo is a best case sceneario but hard to see what the average damage a Horizon Walker like this will do without Playtesting, but well something like limit the damage to 4d8 and scales to 5d8 at 11th level and or the bonus resets if you miss should do the trick

@@KoryLunaa Those sound like good improvements. I think when you do some testing you'll still find that it's stronger than you expect, particularly when compared to other ranger subclasses. Keep at it though, it sounds like an interesting version to play.

For the customization, I would prefer 2 out of 3. Powerwise I agree.

​@@wassentme1891getting all 3 wouldn't be op

@@SamiJ1508 Certainly! Power-wise I agree. But personally, I would prefer getting to choose among options. Just feels better. And 2 out of 3 is better than it ws before. If there were 4-5 options to choose 3 of that would be even better!

@@wassentme1891 you chose the subclass. Making more choices in a sub class after already choosing has always bugged me. If their isn't a power budget issue than I don't know why you want to limit it

Summon Beast is fantastic do you know if it gets an attack of opportunity?

I am currently playing a Wisdom-based Firbolg Fey Wanderer who uses Druidic Warrior for the Shillelagh spell. He's pretty fun so far, and with all the optional stuff from Tasha's thrown in, he will be incredibly mobile and sneaky moving forward.

ya improved the most I think, poor monk

It's pretty hard to explain that the +2 damage isn't a core thing here on Brazil XD Also, I'm using the Favored Foe from the UA, since it's what was available when we started the campaign, and it's just way more fun to have the ranger using the concentration on other stuff than the old Hunter's Mark

@@crisrody852 I agree, but I think they changed it because it can be abused without requiring concentration. Like stacking hex, and Favorite Foe, or just stacking two hunters marks (spell, and fav foe). The way some of the newer ranger subclasses work you could stack a lot of damage that may effect balancing.

@@marks2807 They should have done the obvious and removed Hunter's Mark, that is, make it into the lvl 1 talent and balance it accordingly.

This makes speed boosts more useful on a horizon Walker Ranger because like you said it can increase their teleport range including upwards. Good synergy with Haste that they get at 9

One down side is that you can't use it as effectively if you want to get the movement before making an attack, since you are unable to attack until the end of your turn.

And at double movement

excellent pun. Have my like

This could just be that hes taken all of them into account. And then in his ranking they just fit into the array he had. In a vacuum it might look different. Even in his description you can hear he is comparing subclasses to each other, and classes ro each other.

Probably because archery + sharpshooter is so good.

@@ATMOSK1234 very true

Also because the round you use your BA for the cantrip is a round you aren't activating favored foe/hunter's mark/and BA subclass ability

@@jaxonsellers1126 At least with Shillelagh you can activate it outside of combat, and because it's a cantrip and thus an unlimited resource, you don't even have to particularly care about the timing of when you activate it before combat.

@@tiradegrandmarshal isn’t shillelagh’s duration really short though?

It applies to any enemy you attack, one per turn per enemy. It can proc on multiple enemies, once per enemy. I would assume you are correct and it would apply/proc on AoO as well! Which, I didn't think of, pretty sweet!

To be honest the Scout is also rather overrated. Not outright dogshit like the Assassin, but not exactly a winner, either.

Most of the people I see trying to sell me on Assassin are providing some kind of Assassin/Paladin level 20 build, and I usually bring up Scout's Sudden Strike as a more reliable alternative. I also like Scout with a Gloomstalker dip, but my personal preference for Rogues is usually to go Arcane Trickster or Soul Knife.

As an assassin stan, you're absolutely right. They're a bad choice for almost every campaign and build.

The rarity of surprise rounds is why I don't really like the assassin. You basically have to buy your DM a six pack or chocolate every session if you want to get the chance to use it frequently.

Scout is...fine. If you're picking a rogue over something like a fighter, you're probably doing it to be a skillmonkey, and get a bit of utility. Maybe also so that you can use a bonus action dash and have more mobility. Scout gets two more skill checks than other rogues, expertise on both skill checks, and more mobility than other rogues. And frankly there isn't a large difference between most of the rogues in combat in normal level ranges (like level 1-12) other than a couple standouts (Arcane Trickster is obviously very good). There's something to be said for specializing in the things a class is already good at. If you want to really focus on being a mobile skillmonkey, up until Tasha's, Scout was the pick. (After Tasha's maybe Soulknife dethrones scout in the skillmonkey role; psi bolstered knack is very good). Even without considering the really high level features, I think scout is okay. Like...despite Treantmonk's rating format not considering 13th+ level features, I wouldn't be surprised if Treantmonk rated scout around the...4th best rogue? Something like that? Could see it ahead of Thief/Assassin/Inquisitive/Mastermind/Phantom. I'm guessing it'll be behind Soulknife, Swashbuckler, and obviously Arcane Trickster.

I think his point was that the spells are usually useful in similar situations. Both can hinder the movement of grounded melee enemies; Web by locking them down entirely, Spike Growth by creating difficult terrain and punishing movement.

It would be tempting with a 3level dip into armorer, if you want to play with 'library" as your favorite terrain. I love to play a librarian whom calls his library "The jungle of the uncivilized animals, that over many years I have learned to co-exist with, helping them forage for what they need, but never letting them make the mistake to think me less than the Allffa, scaring them away if they bark up a ruckus for the others.", then turn out to also be a ranger and actually have been talking about his home jungle, and be super chill with illiteracy and poverty. Maybe having actually helped a wolf pack for many years.

I disagree. I think it's useful in the open, since you more likely to be able to see the whole battle field and can pick any two enemies on the map that make the mistake of standing next to each other. In closed in spaces you're often more limited on which enemies you can see and choose to attack.

Yeah but swarmkeeper is better at playing a Ranger, tho. Fey Wanderer is a very cool flavored trickster archetipe buy swarmkeeper is way more an actual ranger. Also, mage hand but made of locusts? Yusss.

I mean, if the Hex Blade isn’t S or high A Tier I will will shocked.

@@logancuster8035 Hexblade is only obnoxious as a multiclass dip, and it is indeed unbearably obnoxious in that capacity. A straight-class Hexblade Warlock isn't that much stronger than the rest, though. I'm interested to see where it does land given all of that.

I expect hexblade to be in A tier, but hexblade would be rated high even if it was not allowed to learn repelling blast, so that doesn't exactly answer my question of how highly Treantmonk regards repelling blast. (On whether hexblade will be S-tier...I can't see hexblade being in S-tier. S-tier is for "this is not an endorsement! Don't pick these! They ruin the game." I don't think hexblade is capable of ruining the gameplay experience, it's just a pretty nice 1-3 level dip for some classes. Gets those classes medium armour and shields, and allows then to make weapon attacks with charisma. Good, but not "this ruins the game" level good).

Ranger and Rogue multiclass very well indeed.

Scout/assassin + gloomstalker multiclass is far dirtier lol

@@xandermichael836, You're right, it is, actually. Nothing like a guaranteed sneak attack along with three attacks per round.

soulknife is pretty good as well. take thrown weapon fighting and your set.

I find that the best usage of hordebreaker is to trigger it with forced movement.

Also worth noting that your party members using darkvision, cannot see you to cast spells on you. Including healing. Could be bad if you go unconscious.

He has a video for this build, done like 1 year ago you should check it out. It's incredible for out of the abyss.

Nowadays you can even pick a lvl of twilight cleric and eldritch adept feat for devilsight

Wat about the strahd campaign

Seems like they could have just said your lance doesn't embed in the creature since that isn't a feature of the weapon.

@@mattf5935 you just made my inner child cry, Matt. You don't have to be this person. Really! (hint, I'm not attacking you at all - of course you're right, but you seem to be missing the mirthfulness of my post up there! /wink. Relax a little. My BM was a "parody character" - he was meant for fun more than optimization, but he did pump out decidedly good damage - and would have pumped out stupid-good damage had he gone SS and ranged. The DM could have said a lot of things - I wasn't really fighting the DM, either, if I didn't make that clear - the point was that my ultra silly old style BM Ranger made the DM worried - because of his mobility (fastflying) and because of the sick damage he did. It's a given that DMs are in charge of their tables; we all know this)

The Monks issues are so "baked in" they would have to rebuild the class, AND the subclasses to fix them, hopefully they will address them in the next edition.

@@killcat1971 Honestly the core monk becomes decent if you just increase their ki point count by (wis). Takes you from 2 to 5 at lv 2, and from 20 to 25 at lv 20. Should be enough for using your monk exclusive features most encountering days. At most I guess they could use another ASI/feat at lv 10 or maybe scale the MA die up to d12 instead of d10 Many subclasses need extra love after that, but the good ones like open hand and mercy are just fine and feel on par with fighters or rogues

@@dimitrisdimitriadis4913 The issues are more than just Ki, although bumping it at low levels does help, you have to consider their role and how their mechanics "works" with that. They are supposed to be a striker, get in, hit hard, get out. But their mechanics doesn't really support that. My suggested changes would be: Dash and Disengage as a bonus action for free, bonus Ki, either WIS or PB or "when you roll initiative you regain a number of spent Ki equal to your PB", D10 hit die and Unarmored defense adds half your PB (rounding down) to AC in addition.

@@killcat1971 I have considered both of these changes myself, haven't playtested them though. I will insist, the monk really doesn't feel underpowered at low levels after the ki increase. And the "leap to your feet" feature from the drunken master subclass as a core monk feature, cause it's silly to be a martial arts master and lose more movement than a commoner to stand up. You might need either the d10 hit die or the free BA disengage (or a higher MA die) at higher levels, not both. Definitely not the "AC increases by prof/2 change", that's way too OP and makes you tankier than many paladins or clerics, which is definitely not your role in combat. You are a striker and a melee debuffer/controller, you don't need to be a tank on top of that. Which is why I think another free ASI or feat at lv 10 is appropriate. You want a free disengage? Get mobile. You want more battlefield control? Crusher or Sentinel. You want the same hit die as a barbarian? Tough. You want more AC and DPR? +2 Dex. You want more AC and cheaper stuns? +2 Wis.

@@dimitrisdimitriadis4913 As to the Armor IF you have 20s in both WIS and DEX you can get a good AC, a Fighter can get 20 with no magical equipment. If they are going to be the same "type" of character they should be able to operate in a similar environment. The reason for the free dash or disengage is that it's what Rogues can do 24/7, and it still costs your bonus action, which Monks get a lot of use out of.

Gloom Stalker is likely to surpass the other two. Somewhere in high B to low A I would guess.

I would guess the same thing

I think it’s pretty valuable at low levels. Slightly better than the Dueling fighting style for example. At level 5 it loses quite a bit of steam though.

By dope, you mean it entirely solves many of the normal obstacles of Wilderness Survival. Add in Goodberry and you are basically set.

Just like I like it.

@@dylanba5251 Naw. But it lets my character overcome them.

@@davidtobias6893 My issue is often it means the DM doesn't run said situations so its just skipped over

@@dylanba5251 No. We had a lot of very mechanical ways of playing it out with exhaustion and stuff so foraging was neccessary and needing to not wear armor in the desert that then fed into the role playing and I still had to make some rolls and stuff. Plus the terrain is pretty varient so I might have a favored terrain in one spot but then need to rely on just basic ranger shit which still gets a bump later. I am aabout to hit 6th level and for combat I kinda wanted to go rogue but im really torn because I want the explorer and favored enemy add ons. Good type of conflict to have

Slight note, Favored Enemy gives only one language. Even if you pick two types of Humanoids, you have to choose one of their languages. So it's 10, not 11. Still a lot tho.

@@antongrigoryev6381 Okay - and some backgrounds offer only 1 extra language (or none at all). Still, a total of 8 languages at Level 1 is quite a bit - been trying to make Milo from Atlantis The Lost Empire - a 1 level dip into Ranger might be what this Linguist/ Cartographer needs, and then swap him over to Bard or Cleric, or Wizard, in order to get Tongues.... What do you think?

@@lockwoan01 Actually, you can get 10 languages at level 1 without using the custom lineage system. 1-2: V Human: Common + 1 language 3-4: Background: +2 languages 5-7: Linguist Feat: +3 languages 8: Favored Enemy: +1 language 9-10: Deft Explorer: +2 languages So it is a 9-10 if you use the Linguist Feat. The problem is that I don't see much point in taking the Linguist Feat unless you play a RP heavy game with a lot of languages. Having 6 languages are enough in most settings. A standard sage Wizard is only going to have 4. You need to leave room for the other players to shine.

@@Cloud_Seeker Well, the idea behind having 10+ languages *is* meant for a *Linguist* build. Also, to be honest, most Everyone "Knows" Common, or the equivalent in the game system, and them that don't, well, the DM tends to home-rule that the one doing the speaking for the group to the Party does know how to speak and understand Common.

The Horizon Walker's level 3 still scales by an additional d8 at 11th-level, so you still get something. Also, you still get your teleports even when focus-firing a single enemy, just not as many of them. Honestly, I don't even look at that third attack as anything more than a ribbon. The main event is the teleports, and the third attack is simply there for cannon fodder battles.

I do think Horizon Walker's level 11 ability to attack 3 targets is pretty overhyped. If we're going to be critical of Arcane Archer's curving shot, which requires us to make one attack against our non-primary target, I think we should be even more critical of an ability that requires us to hit three different targets. That often won't be strategically better than two attacks on the same target. (Sometimes it will be a little better to hit three targets once, sometimes hitting one target twice will be better). That said, at minimum the feature gives us a 20 foot teleport every round, 30 foot if we do choose to hit three targets. So...that part is nice.

The one I'll be watching out for most will be the Wizard. Specifically, because when cutting off tier 3 and tier 4, they lose a lot of what makes them eventually overtake other classes. This is how I can see ranking half casters like Gloomstalker, Conquest, and Watchers ahead of full casters like Lore, Light or Stars seem. Rangers and Paladins likely mutliclass in tier 2. I believe the tier list is about ease of optimization and overall power level. It's both. I like your list. Would shift a few things, but it's solid.

fight along side you. They are B.

100% with you. I really wish the revised options had made the ranger better at their niche rather than completely scrapping their niche, which is what they were clearly doing with the UA version! No idea why they went back on that.

@@heilmodrhinnheimski Because good Ranger options aren't allowed to be published, and/or they consider any form of positive UA feedback as meaning that a feature needs to be nerfed regardless of context.